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Happens in an empty stadium, Curze is armoured but unarmed.

Bets?

Is this Ben Grimm or the adaptive alien Thing?

I assume the former, the latter has zero chance.

It is indeed the former. I also mispelled Konrad's name.

ben grimm yells "its clobberin' time" nuff said end thread

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
ben grimm yells "its clobberin' time" nuff said end thread
You think Curze goes down, then?

Konrad is a stealth specialist, I don't see his claws penentrating Thing's hide. Oh wait...he has none.
In blunt strength the Primarch is outclassed. Class 10 vs Class 100...

Poor Konrad gets paralyzed by precog vision of Ben smashing through his scull.
Spite thread, me thinks.

What makes you think Primarchs are class 10?

The feats of Primarchs are not equal. Curze always strikes me as being more of steath specialist than brute like Angron or cultured brute Sangvinius. That's not to say he's not a deadly ARMED fighter.
Corax is considered the third or fourth (after Angron and Sangvinius, tied with Horus) best Primarch in close combat and he's a stealth specialist like Konrad, basically they both are more about speed and sudden intimidating attacks than about strength.
Konrad, however, did show outlandish durability even as an infant... but he has no feasible ways of harming Grimm without claws. If it's "without armor but with power claws" then it's whole another battle and much less spitey-looking.
My five cents.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The feats of Primarchs are not equal. Curze always strikes me as being more of steath specialist than brute like Angron or cultured brute Sangvinius. That's not to say he's not a deadly ARMED fighter.
Corax is considered the third or fourth (after Angron and Sangvinius, tied with Horus) best Primarch in close combat and he's a stealth specialist like Konrad, basically they both are more about speed and sudden intimidating attacks than about strength.
Konrad, however, did show outlandish durability even as an infant... but he has no feasible ways of harming Grimm without claws. If it's "without armor but with power claws" then it's whole another battle and much less spitey-looking.
My five cents.

Konrad Curze has punched his fist into the chests of Terminators, and ripped their spines right out.

Konrad Curze, in a brawl, when weapons were lost, was throttling the life out of Lion El'Jonson, the same man who stalemated Leman Russ in a barehanded brawl. Leman Russ is big even by Primarch standards (Though not to the same extent as Magnus was), and more importantly than that has destroyed Titans with his axe and pushed over a towering Prospero spire.

Corax is considered the third or fourth best Primarch in close combat by... Who? Konrad Curze himself overwhelmed him and forced him to flee, and notably, physically overpowered him.

By himself. And when he was beating the shite out of Lorgar (one of the least skilled), he was scared by Konrad's ruthlessness.
But then OK, being in the same strength ballpark as Leman Russ and Lion gives the chance to an unarmed Curze.
I didn't know about those feats of him, thinking of him as more of a stealth specialist (Class 10-20 strenthwise, but fast and skilled). It turned out I was mistaken.

It's all relative.

He isn't as physically strong as Angron, Magnus the Red, Vulkan, Ferrus Manus, or probably Leman Russ, but the differences between them is more akin to the difference between a well-built and trained ninja assassin and an Olympic strongman.

He is one of the stealth specialists among Primarchs, but he is still a demigodlike being whom can toss tanks like toys.

Then Thing loses - it's like him vs Gamora all over again. I was under impression claws were needed to pierce the hide, but if the difference between him and his stronger brothers is -1-5 tons at worst case, then... well, Benny's f8cked.

Can Mistah Kurtz actually hurt the Thing though?

I don't know. However bare-fisted punches through Terminator armor (think secondary adamantium in Marvel terms) made me think than yes, he can. With his weapon of choise (power claws) it will be like Thing fighting class 50 Wolverine and it will hurt like shit.

I'd prefer we debate this bare handed. Powerfields are a little unfair and take away the interesting aspect of this thread, imho.

In this case we come with problem - whether Thing's hide is more durable than secondary adamantium or not.

There's also the matter of Curze's combat speed. Space Marines are noted as having superhuman reaction and thought times, and are unable to perceive much of the movement of primarchs in combat. Curze is clearly, imho, a very physically capable primarch, as he badly injured Rogal Dorn with his bare hands, and nearly strangled The Lion. mmm

I'm not actually sure how durable The Thing is. It's part of why I've not chosen a side to support.

Actually I believe that Curze is one of the fastest Primarchs there is. So he will be dancing in circles around Thing. Actually hurting Ben, though, is debatable. His hide has survived ridiculous stuff.

Keep in mind that Primarchs have survived things like falls through orbit and then landing near the Earth's core (Curze himself managed this as you know), landings into volcanoes (Leman Russ), being shot by a Titan's city-leveling Plasma Blast Cannon (Lorgar, in Betrayer), and starship weaponry/macro cannons (Vulkan, in Fulgrim and detailed in a few other books). Then, when you consider that Konrad Curze was able to maul and cut up Rogal Dorn with his bare hands...