Quan Chi vs. Shang Tsung

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quanchi112
The two video game characters meet up to decide who is the baddest mk sorcerer. They fight before Shinnok and Shao Kahn. Fight takes place in Shao Kahn's throne room.

Kazenji
Good to see people not reading the rules.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Kazenji
Good to see people not reading the rules. Quit being a baby and weigh in already.

Chozone
They both suck

Phanteros
Link kills both of them, get mad.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Phanteros
Link kills both of them, get mad. Link's mother would never allow him to set foot in such a crazy world. Link wouldn't stand a chance against the mk elite.

ScreamPaste
Originally posted by Phanteros
Link kills both of them, get mad. Best post in fail thread.


This goes in VG versus, Quan.

quanchi112
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Best post in fail thread.


This goes in VG versus, Quan. That'll do, pig.

juggerman
Shang baby! thumb up

Kazenji
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit being a baby

Far from it douchbag

its suppose be cross genre match, Game character vs game character isn't cross genre

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

This goes in VG versus, Quan.

bingo.

Zack Fair
Quan Chi

quanchi112
Originally posted by Kazenji
Far from it douchbag

its suppose be cross genre match, Game character vs game character isn't cross genre



bingo. Your panties are in a bunch but at least you figured out that quote button.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Shang baby! thumb up Based on ?

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

Him being better.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Him being better. But they fought in a fair one on one fight and Quan Chi won.

juggerman
They fought directly after a fight. They weren't 100% and Shang was more injured due to Raiden targeting him more

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
They fought directly after a fight. They weren't 100% and Shang was more injured due to Raiden targeting him more No, they both recovered and Quan Chi clearly dominated him. The fight made it clear that both had recovered enough to test each other in a fair fight. Quan Chi won. Quan Chi won authoritatively. It wasn't close. He's stronger and a better fighter.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they both recovered and Quan Chi clearly dominated him. The fight made it clear that both had recovered enough to test each other in a fair fight. Quan Chi won. Quan Chi won authoritatively. It wasn't close. He's stronger and a better fighter.

Were was it shown that they were both fully healed? And keep in mind Shang took a fully concentrated lightning attack from Raiden who was trying to kill him. A holding back Raiden fried Liu Kang in 1.5 seconds.

Quan won but Shang was much more injured. Quan Chi was getting beat down by Jax and had to be saved by Shao Kahn! Jax is no match for the Shangster

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Were was it shown that they were both fully healed? And keep in mind Shang took a fully concentrated lightning attack from Raiden who was trying to kill him. A holding back Raiden fried Liu Kang in 1.5 seconds.

Quan won but Shang was much more injured. Quan Chi was getting beat down by Jax and had to be saved by Shao Kahn! Jax is no match for the Shangster They both got up and had time to recover. Every attack Raiden hit Shang with put him down iirc. Not the same with Quanchi. Quanchi also was the one who initially got the momentum in their favor. Quan won because he is stronger/the better fighter. The dialogue says it all.

Quan got hit by Jax. That's all. Shang was defeated by Quanchi.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
They both got up and had time to recover. Every attack Raiden hit Shang with put him down iirc. Not the same with Quanchi. Quanchi also was the one who initially got the momentum in their favor. Quan won because he is stronger/the better fighter. The dialogue says it all.

Quan got hit by Jax. That's all. Shang was defeated by Quanchi.

How much time is needed to recover from a lighting attack intended to kill by a god? Especailly when considering that that same god held back against Kang and killed him(or damn near)? Quan Chi is more durable and stronger imo which accounts for him not being put on his ass as much. But iirc Quan was only able to push Raiden back a bit while Shang's blast sent him flying. And it was Shang's fire snake that put Raiden out.

A lot of context missing from that. Quan and Jax squared up. Quan went for a kick and got his leg messed up for his trouble. Then he retreated back a bit and opted to use magic instead since he couldn't compete physically. His attack was easily overcome with Jax saying something along the lines of "is that all you got?". It was made very clear Quan was losing to Jax and was saved by a "haymaker" throwing Kahn. He was also easily tossed off the pyramid by Shang.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
How much time is needed to recover from a lighting attack intended to kill by a god? Especailly when considering that that same god held back against Kang and killed him(or damn near)? Quan Chi is more durable and stronger imo which accounts for him not being put on his ass as much. But iirc Quan was only able to push Raiden back a bit while Shang's blast sent him flying. And it was Shang's fire snake that put Raiden out.

A lot of context missing from that. Quan and Jax squared up. Quan went for a kick and got his leg messed up for his trouble. Then he retreated back a bit and opted to use magic instead since he couldn't compete physically. His attack was easily overcome with Jax saying something along the lines of "is that all you got?". It was made very clear Quan was losing to Jax and was saved by a "haymaker" throwing Kahn. He was also easily tossed off the pyramid by Shang. Shang drew power from the souls so it wasn't even from his own personal power. You speculate. The fight was fair and after both regained themselves. Shang had no nagging injuries and was beaten by Quanchi in fair combat.

Jax hit him in a battle that was all over the place. Quanchi wasn't beaten and after Jax talked trash Shao Kahn rocked him. It's that simple.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Shang drew power from the souls so it wasn't even from his own personal power. You speculate. The fight was fair and after both regained themselves. Shang had no nagging injuries and was beaten by Quanchi in fair combat.

Jax hit him in a battle that was all over the place. Quanchi wasn't beaten and after Jax talked trash Shao Kahn rocked him. It's that simple.

"He drew power" not "he healed himself". What exactly am i speculating? The fight was fair i'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying the fight was not at 100% and Shang took more of a beating.

Jax was winning. The battle was all over the place but it was clear that there were many 1 on 1 fights taking place. No one affected their fight until Kahn. He wasn't beaten but he was clearly losing. He was hobbling around and needed to summon help. While Shang on the other hand easily handled fighters well beyond the caliber of Jax in that same battle.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
"He drew power" not "he healed himself". What exactly am i speculating? The fight was fair i'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying the fight was not at 100% and Shang took more of a beating.

Jax was winning. The battle was all over the place but it was clear that there were many 1 on 1 fights taking place. No one affected their fight until Kahn. He wasn't beaten but he was clearly losing. He was hobbling around and needed to summon help. While Shang on the other hand easily handled fighters well beyond the caliber of Jax in that same battle. Quan Chi was hurt as well. Shang used power due to the time Quanchi bought him by hurting Raiden. Quanchi and Shang Tsung both recovered from their fight against Raiden. You have no proof Shang hadn't while Quanchi had.

Jax landed a strike or so. That's it. Quanchi won the battle against Shang. The whole point of this melee fight was showing guys hit each other in a mad dash to ascend to the top. None of these were conclusive or fair fights with each other. Shang had a better opportunity available to him and was still owned by Liu Kang even in zombified mode.

In a one on one fair fight Quan destroyed him.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quan Chi was hurt as well. Shang used power due to the time Quanchi bought him by hurting Raiden. Quanchi and Shang Tsung both recovered from their fight against Raiden. You have no proof Shang hadn't while Quanchi had.

Jax landed a strike or so. That's it. Quanchi won the battle against Shang. The whole point of this melee fight was showing guys hit each other in a mad dash to ascend to the top. None of these were conclusive or fair fights with each other. Shang had a better opportunity available to him and was still owned by Liu Kang even in zombified mode.

In a one on one fair fight Quan destroyed him.

I never said Quan Chi healed either. They were both weakened from the fight yet we see Shang Tsung take much more punishment due to Raiden seeming to single him out more.

Jax landed a very decisive blow which made Quan Chi limp away. Then Quan Chi opted not to face him physically and "hid" behind his summoned fighters. He also got his ass beat by Scorpion several times in the Netherrealm and needed to enlist the Onis for aid. And let's not forget the Amulet amps him.

Shang on the other hand had a pretty clear advantage over Shao Kahn(the main boss and one of the most powerful baddies) and completely destroyed Liu Kang(probably the best fighter in the series to date besides maybe Raiden and other gods). He also one shotted Mileena and Shujinko(who iirc single handedly took out Onaga at his peak in power). I think you need to watch the video again cuz Kang didn't land a hit on him until Shang had already been fighting off others and was near the top with his back turned.

This last part you don't really have to respond to if you don't want to since there will be a lot of speculation:

Are you sure Quan Chi really defeated Shang Tsung? I mean it was narrated by Shujinko, a man easily decieved. And Shang is the type to play possum. He could have been trying to trick Chi but then had to give up the act when the monster came thru. Look at how fast he got back up and was able to easily match Chi's output. And also how would Shujinko even know that's how it went down in the first place? He wasn't even there and i doubt these guys sat down and had a friendly chat somewhere. How can we trust second hand information from this guy at all? /rant

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
I never said Quan Chi healed either. They were both weakened from the fight yet we see Shang Tsung take much more punishment due to Raiden seeming to single him out more.

Jax landed a very decisive blow which made Quan Chi limp away. Then Quan Chi opted not to face him physically and "hid" behind his summoned fighters. He also got his ass beat by Scorpion several times in the Netherrealm and needed to enlist the Onis for aid. And let's not forget the Amulet amps him.

Shang on the other hand had a pretty clear advantage over Shao Kahn(the main boss and one of the most powerful baddies) and completely destroyed Liu Kang(probably the best fighter in the series to date besides maybe Raiden and other gods). He also one shotted Mileena and Shujinko(who iirc single handedly took out Onaga at his peak in power). I think you need to watch the video again cuz Kang didn't land a hit on him until Shang had already been fighting off others and was near the top with his back turned.

This last part you don't really have to respond to if you don't want to since there will be a lot of speculation:

Are you sure Quan Chi really defeated Shang Tsung? I mean it was narrated by Shujinko, a man easily decieved. And Shang is the type to play possum. He could have been trying to trick Chi but then had to give up the act when the monster came thru. Look at how fast he got back up and was able to easily match Chi's output. And also how would Shujinko even know that's how it went down in the first place? He wasn't even there and i doubt these guys sat down and had a friendly chat somewhere. How can we trust second hand information from this guy at all? /rant No, Raiden didn't single him out more his attacks just were more effective against the weaker Shang.

Both had recovered. Quan Chi crushed him. The amulet is in his standard powerset unlike the soulnado which was conveniently right there to use against Raiden.

Why wouldn't he buy himself some time ? We later see Quanchi take out Kenshi and appear fine. Quanchi is an effective/smart fighter. it would have been stupid to let Jax attack him at this moment. That was due to Scorpion being basically unkillable there. Quanchi did what was necessary and he benefited from it. The deadly alliance was made possible mainly by Quanchi's discovery not Shang. Quanchi is by far the greatest sorcerer which was utter by John Vogel as well.

Shang hit him. Shao Kahn was taken away by Onaga. Shao Kahn owns Shang and to suggest he'd beat him is ridiculous. Shao Kahn also won the stinkin battle. Shang didn't beat Liu Kang and despite being a slower zombie he was still stopped by Liu Kang.

The video is canon. Sure he was tricked by the opening narrative is a fact. That's how the events played out. Quanchi beat him. So now you are saying Shujinko just guessed as to what happened ? Oh dearrrr.

ArtificialGlory
For a fight between two sorcerer's that fight sure lacked any sorcery.

juggerman

juggerman
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
For a fight between two sorcerer's that fight sure lacked any sorcery.

Possibly because they were pretty drained after thawrting a god?

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by juggerman
Possibly because they were pretty drained after thawrting a god?

They didn't seem to have any trouble using magic on Onaga soon afterwards though.

juggerman
True but at that point they were probably pretty desperate seeing as how they knew who he was. They were also alot closer to eachother then they were to Onaga so it could have been easier and faster to just throw a punch. Idk tho you do have a good point

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
How much time is needed to recover from a lighting attack intended to kill by a god? Especailly when considering that that same god held back against Kang and killed him(or damn near)? Quan Chi is more durable and stronger imo which accounts for him not being put on his ass as much. But iirc Quan was only able to push Raiden back a bit while Shang's blast sent him flying. And it was Shang's fire snake that put Raiden out.

A lot of context missing from that. Quan and Jax squared up. Quan went for a kick and got his leg messed up for his trouble. Then he retreated back a bit and opted to use magic instead since he couldn't compete physically. His attack was easily overcome with Jax saying something along the lines of "is that all you got?". It was made very clear Quan was losing to Jax and was saved by a "haymaker" throwing Kahn. He was also easily tossed off the pyramid by Shang. We see all of them recover from their attacks in time. I mean we see every single guy get up. Different showing and his attention being diverted on two foes obviously helped. I agree he is more durable and is stronger. Quan Chi set him up in the first place and the only reason the soulnado was there; amulet.

he was injured so he used his powers. That's allowed and considering Jax's arms are not flesh I can see why he'd do something like that. No, Jax hurt him and Quanchi bought himself more time. Jax was then dealt with by Shao Kahn. Quan chi didn't lose to him. Shang was clearly beaten by Quan Chi. Fact.

quanchi112
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
For a fight between two sorcerer's that fight sure lacked any sorcery. They used it prior to their one on one battle against Raiden. Their battle was pure fistacuffs.

Bentley
Originally posted by quanchi112
They used it prior to their one on one battle against Raiden. Their battle was pure fistacuffs.

So no proof of Quan Chi beating Shang if they both use magic? Concession accepted.




g_grin

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see all of them recover from their attacks in time. I mean we see every single guy get up. Different showing and his attention being diverted on two foes obviously helped. I agree he is more durable and is stronger. Quan Chi set him up in the first place and the only reason the soulnado was there; amulet.

he was injured so he used his powers. That's allowed and considering Jax's arms are not flesh I can see why he'd do something like that. No, Jax hurt him and Quanchi bought himself more time. Jax was then dealt with by Shao Kahn. Quan chi didn't lose to him. Shang was clearly beaten by Quan Chi. Fact.

In the fight Shang took more of a beating and was never "healed". This proves he was not 100% when Quan Chi beat him. Then we see Shang take on and defeat/look superior to people above Quan's fighting prowess when he was 100%. Seems pretty clear that the reason he did so poorly was due to the beating he took from Raiden.

He was injured by Jax who is not a top teir MK fighter. Quan Chi needed to buy himself time and change his tactics(which didn't work at all) cuz he was losing. A weakened Shang was beaten by Quan Chi i agree. At peak Quan would lose.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Bentley
So no proof of Quan Chi beating Shang if they both use magic? Concession accepted.




g_grin That's speculation whereas in a fight where a victor was decided Quan Chi destroyed him.

smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
In the fight Shang took more of a beating and was never "healed". This proves he was not 100% when Quan Chi beat him. Then we see Shang take on and defeat/look superior to people above Quan's fighting prowess when he was 100%. Seems pretty clear that the reason he did so poorly was due to the beating he took from Raiden.

He was injured by Jax who is not a top teir MK fighter. Quan Chi needed to buy himself time and change his tactics(which didn't work at all) cuz he was losing. A weakened Shang was beaten by Quan Chi i agree. At peak Quan would lose. They both took their licks. You are speculating Shang was more damaged while both had recovered and showed no signs of an injury for their fight.

Abc logic. Shang also wasn't defeating anyone in the final video. He was knocking people off the pyramid in a mad dash to reach the top first. Everyone was just slugging each other at every chance they could do so. The point is Shao Kahn wasn't defeated by Onaga since we see him about to win the whole thing prior to Raiden sending a message to his past self to alter these events.

All of the mk fights can hurt each other. Quanchi wasn't defeated by Jax. You can pretend he was or that an mk fighter showing the strength to hurt the other proves something we knew already. Shang was dominated by Quanchi in a fair fight. No going around it.

So now Quanchi wasn't weakened either but just Shang. Oh brother. It doesn't even make sense any way you try to spin it.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
They both took their licks. You are speculating Shang was more damaged while both had recovered and showed no signs of an injury for their fight.

Abc logic. Shang also wasn't defeating anyone in the final video. He was knocking people off the pyramid in a mad dash to reach the top first. Everyone was just slugging each other at every chance they could do so. The point is Shao Kahn wasn't defeated by Onaga since we see him about to win the whole thing prior to Raiden sending a message to his past self to alter these events.

All of the mk fights can hurt each other. Quanchi wasn't defeated by Jax. You can pretend he was or that an mk fighter showing the strength to hurt the other proves something we knew already. Shang was dominated by Quanchi in a fair fight. No going around it.

So now Quanchi wasn't weakened either but just Shang. Oh brother. It doesn't even make sense any way you try to spin it.

They did but as we see Shang took much more.

He clearly was. He and Liu squared off uniterrupted by anyone else. They fought with Shang being the clear superior of the two. Then Shang tossed him off the pyramid. He was the clear victor. The others can be argued that the fight didn't finish but he easily beat Kang. I never said Kahn was defeated, i said Shang easily avoided his attacks and easily countered him knocking him away. That's impressive no matter which way you slice it.

Quan was being beaten by Jax. No matter how you try to spin it Jax looked to be the superior of the two with Quan being "saved". Again the fight was not with them bth at 100%

I never said Quan wasn't weakened. I said Shang took more of a beting by Raiden meaning he was more hurt. Quan wasn't as hurt. We see what Shang is capable of at 100% and we see at 100% Quan has trouble with brawlers and his magic is easily overcome with mere punches. Shang would stomp Quan at full strength.

So no link to a MK developer praising Quan Chi then?

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by quanchi112
They used it prior to their one on one battle against Raiden. Their battle was pure fistacuffs.

Yes, a pure fistfight between two sorcerers. Not what I'd call a complete fight.

juggerman
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yes, a pure fistfight between two sorcerers. Not what I'd call a complete fight.

Yes there's also that

Robtard
Originally posted by juggerman
Were was it shown that they were both fully healed? And keep in mind Shang took a fully concentrated lightning attack from Raiden who was trying to kill him. A holding back Raiden fried Liu Kang in 1.5 seconds.

Quan won but Shang was much more injured. Quan Chi was getting beat down by Jax and had to be saved by Shao Kahn! Jax is no match for the Shangster Juggerman wins. Fatality thumb up

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
They did but as we see Shang took much more.

He clearly was. He and Liu squared off uniterrupted by anyone else. They fought with Shang being the clear superior of the two. Then Shang tossed him off the pyramid. He was the clear victor. The others can be argued that the fight didn't finish but he easily beat Kang. I never said Kahn was defeated, i said Shang easily avoided his attacks and easily countered him knocking him away. That's impressive no matter which way you slice it.

Quan was being beaten by Jax. No matter how you try to spin it Jax looked to be the superior of the two with Quan being "saved". Again the fight was not with them bth at 100%

I never said Quan wasn't weakened. I said Shang took more of a beting by Raiden meaning he was more hurt. Quan wasn't as hurt. We see what Shang is capable of at 100% and we see at 100% Quan has trouble with brawlers and his magic is easily overcome with mere punches. Shang would stomp Quan at full strength.

So no link to a MK developer praising Quan Chi then? No, they both fought Raiden and now you want to say one guy took more punches and act like this was a determining factor. Wrong. The fight occurred after both recovered. Raiden even recovers from Shang's giant attack after a while.

Liu wasn't defeated as evidenced by his chains into Sahng right before he got to the top. This was also zombie Liu who was much less formidable than regular Liu who always had Shang's number until Quanchi assisted him.

It is impressive but again it was a giant melee. The only one who won in the end was Shao Kahn. That's who won.

Quan was hurt by one attack. He can be hurt by any Mk fighter just like anyone else. You trying to spin it around only makes Shang looks worse. The fight didn't conclude so you can pretend he beat Quan but it wasn't over. Jax got 86'd.

False. We see him hurt by Jax not beaten. According to you one attack means you practically beat the guy. LOL. You can try and spin the abc logic but it's clear that Quanchi beat Shang's ass. Both had recovered and both were injured. Raiden rocked Shang's weaker body than Quanchi. In a direct comparison Quan looked superior against Raiden and definitively beat Shang. If Jax hit Shang he'd probably go run and hide if it damaged a much stronger (you admitted this yourself) Quan than Shang. There is no comparison here but there is against Raiden.

Do you want the link where John Vogel says Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer in MK ? It was in the MK cards from one of the games for Quanchi. I can look and find it though but only if you will concede the debate.

Quan beat Shang one on one. Quan also fared better against raiden than Shang in a direct comparison.

quanchi112
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yes, a pure fistfight between two sorcerers. Not what I'd call a complete fight. Neither used their abilities so it was a fair fight. People can't say a character should have done this and thus excuse the fight. The creators decided Quanchi is the better man. Plain and simple.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Robtard
Juggerman wins. Fatality thumb up I love when you follow me into a thread.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither used their abilities so it was a fair fight. People can't say a character should have done this and thus excuse the fight. The creators decided Quanchi is the better man. Plain and simple.

It was a fair fight, but it wasn't a complete fight. Two sorcerers fighting and not using one iota of sorcery... that's just underwhelming as a pair of saggy ****.

quanchi112
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It was a fair fight, but it wasn't a complete fight. Two sorcerers fighting and not using one iota of sorcery... that's just underwhelming as a pair of saggy ****. It was a complete fight. You finding it lacking is understandable but th emessage was clear nonetheless. Quanchi>shang Tsung.

Robtard
Originally posted by quanchi112
I love when you follow me into a thread.
I love when you cry cos I make a post to someone else.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Robtard
I love when you cry cos I make a post to someone else. You show up on other sections of the board just to come at me. I am inside your head.

Robtard
Originally posted by quanchi112
You show up on other sections of the board just to come at me. I am inside your head.

Because I don't debate in the All Versus forum? I was one of the first to post in here when it was converted. So you're lying again. Stop lying, okay?

Now instead of obsessing over humor post I make to other people that don't involve you, why don't you stop dodging and fail at countering Juggerman again.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Robtard
Because I don't debate in the All Versus forum? I was one of the first to post in here when it was converted. So you're lying again. Stop lying, okay?

Now instead of obsessing over humor post I make to other people that don't involve you, why don't you stop dodging and fail at countering Juggerman again. You are a parasite you do know that. You just hide behind other posters. I already dominated him.

Robtard
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are a parasite you do know that. You just hide behind other posters.

I already dominated him.

/derp

Avoiding Jugger's post cos it crushed you and crying towards me over a post I made to someone else that didn't involve you as a means to continue avoiding him isn't "dominating" at all, it's something more akin to cowardice coupled with clownery. Do some more flips?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Robtard
/derp

Avoiding Jugger's post cos it crushed you and crying towards me over a post I made to someone else that didn't involve you as a means to continue avoiding him isn't "dominating" at all, it's something more akin to cowardice coupled with clownery. Do some more flips? He had no point. Both sorcerers took on Raiden. Quan looked superior compared to Raiden than Shang did. Quan then beat shang's ass. The creators decided who is better and quan chi crushed him.

Robtard
Originally posted by quanchi112
He had no point. Both sorcerers took on Raiden. Quan looked superior compared to Raiden than Shang did. Quan then beat shang's ass. The creators decided who is better and quan chi crushed him.

Repeating failed points to me that someone else already smashed only proves you were out debated. You're crying solely cos you really like Quan Chi more, go figure.

juggerman

quanchi112
Originally posted by Robtard
Repeating failed points to me that someone else already smashed only proves you were out debated. You're crying solely cos you really like Quan Chi more, go figure. No, I clearly won. The game already decided the outcome.

quanchi112

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
They both were hurt but Quanchi demonstrated he's obviously stronger than Shang by resisting Raiden's attacks better.

Quan wasn't attacked as much so of course he wasn't hurt as much. Plus Quan Chi is an Oni which are naturally stronger and more durable than humans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kang was not defeated. If he had been he wouldn't have been able to stop Shang from ascending.

He was defeated. He just came back later to sneak attack. One on one Kang lost and he lost horribly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jax hurt him. Quan held him at bay and Shao Kahn got involved. Giant melee. All this proves is Jax can hurt him which was already common knowledge.

Jax was winning almost effortlessly. The best thing Chi could think of was to hide behind minions and got lucky Kahn was there to save him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What haven't I backed up ?

Your stance that Quan Chi was the most powerful sorcerer in the series as per the MK staff, or someone on the MK staff. But even if that is true this isn't a "who's the best sorcerer contest" is it? Wouldn't mean he'd win an all out 100% fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both were injured and both had recovered. We also see Raiden hit Quanchi with lightning iirc. You want to ignore Quan being attacked.

I've ignored nothing. I've said numerous times that "Shang was hurt MORE". That clearly implies Quan was hurt as well just not as much. Watch the fight and you'll see Raiden shocks Quan Chi once quickly yet shocks Shang Tsung three time, two times were quick jolts to the back and chest respectively and the third time it was much longer and more focused.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A fair fight was had. Quan won. Accept it.

It was fair in the sense that it was one on one and there was no cheating. But it was not a fight where both parties were 100%. Quan had the huge advantage of being less hurt. Quan did win, but he won a tainted fight.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Quan wasn't attacked as much so of course he wasn't hurt as much. Plus Quan Chi is an Oni which are naturally stronger and more durable than humans.
So you admit he's stronger and more durable. You are almost there.

I disagree. He was just lost on the pyramid and regained himself to prevent Shang Tsung from reaching the top first. Kang was a shell of himself at the time of the fight.


Speculation. Hurting someone isn't almost defeating them. Jax didn't defeat Quanchi whereas Quanchi definitely defeated Shang Tsung. You already admitted he's stronger and more durable. No, he wasn't lucky at all.


John Vogel said it. You already admitted Quan is stronger and more durable. If he's a better sorcerer along with being stronger and more durable what does that leave for Shang ? We already saw them fight with just their fighting abilities and Quan dominated him.

You have zero proof he was hurt more. The narration doesn't allude to that at all. You are speculating without any proof. We don't see any health damage meters to verify your claim. They both recovered. They challenged each other and Quanchi won. He reveled in his victory.

Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer/more successful character/ and a better fighter one on one. Just let it go.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit he's stronger and more durable. You are almost there.

I have since the beginning. There is no victory for you here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. He was just lost on the pyramid and regained himself to prevent Shang Tsung from reaching the top first. Kang was a shell of himself at the time of the fight.

Agree to disagree then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. Hurting someone isn't almost defeating them. Jax didn't defeat Quanchi whereas Quanchi definitely defeated Shang Tsung. You already admitted he's stronger and more durable. No, he wasn't lucky at all.

Is it speculation that Quan didn't land a single hit? Or that he was hurt while not hurting Jax? Or that he needed to attack from afar due to Jax having the upperhand in close combat? Or that Jax easily powered thru his attempts to have minions attack? Or that Kahn did what Quan Chi was unable to do during his fight with Jax which was put him down? I think not bucko

Originally posted by quanchi112
John Vogel said it. You already admitted Quan is stronger and more durable. If he's a better sorcerer along with being stronger and more durable what does that leave for Shang ? We already saw them fight with just their fighting abilities and Quan dominated him.

Then you should have no trouble showing me where/when he said it. But again it means very little since Quan Chi is also stronger and more durable than Liu Kang and is surely a more powerful sorcerer too yet he was beaten by Kang. Same holds true for Kung Lao, Nightwolf, Scorpion, and iirc Sub Zero(Bi Han). He can be stronger and more durable all he likes but he is not as skilled a fighter as Shang.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have zero proof he was hurt more. The narration doesn't allude to that at all. You are speculating without any proof. We don't see any health damage meters to verify your claim. They both recovered. They challenged each other and Quanchi won. He reveled in his victory.

I have ample proof. He was attacked more. He was shown to be hurt more. He exerted himself more putting Raiden down. He's human while Quan is Oni. The narration may not say it but the video clearly shows it. Are you serious right now? Health meters are the only way for you to assess damage now? Guess you couldn't tell Liu Kang was more damaged than Raiden when they fought in 9 in the cutscene when Raiden "killed" him due to lack of meters. Or that Smoke was getting his ass whipped by Sektor in 9 due to lack of meters. /facepalm

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer/more successful character/ and a better fighter one on one. Just let it go.

Nope.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
I have since the beginning. There is no victory for you here.



Agree to disagree then. You have no single advantage in Shang's favor.


It's speculation that Quan was badly hurt and needed outside help to win the fight. Shao Kahn caught him off guard and hit him with a hammer. You just assume everything against Quanchi and assume everything in Shang's favor through speculation.


Sigh. I hate youtube searching for this. I wouldn't just blindly say Quan is stronger and more durable than Liu Kang. There is one major difference as well with your examples. Quanchi beat Shang due to his skill/strength. They fought hand to hand and Quanchi clearly won. The narration states it clearly.


They both recovered. Hell, we see Raiden get up from Shang's giant snake attack after he has enough time to rest and Shang also recover to aid against Onaga.

Quan and Shang both received damage but both had recovered. It's like in between rounds the fights are back to full health. By your logic if someone loses round 1 then they really aren't back to 100 percent when the health meter shows they clearly are.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
You have no single advantage in Shang's favor.

Except his skill.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's speculation that Quan was badly hurt and needed outside help to win the fight. Shao Kahn caught him off guard and hit him with a hammer. You just assume everything against Quanchi and assume everything in Shang's favor through speculation.

Not at all. We see it clear as day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sigh. I hate youtube searching for this.

You don't have to if you can gimme the exact quote. I'll trust you with that tho again "most powerful sorcerer"=/="will win in fight"

Originally posted by quanchi112
I wouldn't just blindly say Quan is stronger and more durable than Liu Kang.

I don't think it is very blind looking at who they are but i see your point. Still tho there is more than Kang in that comparison

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is one major difference as well with your examples. Quanchi beat Shang due to his skill/strength. They fought hand to hand and Quanchi clearly won. The narration states it clearly.

Video clarly shows a less than 100% fighter getting beat. After he was "almost killed" by an enraged thunder god. Again i know Quan won the fight, you just need to acknowledge that Shang was clearly harmed more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They both recovered. Hell, we see Raiden get up from Shang's giant snake attack after he has enough time to rest and Shang also recover to aid against Onaga.

What does that have to do with anything. We know that nobody died and they all were still able to fight later but that does not mean that they were at their best.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quan and Shang both received damage but both had recovered. It's like in between rounds the fights are back to full health. By your logic if someone loses round 1 then they really aren't back to 100 percent when the health meter shows they clearly are.

No the round feature is an in game feature only. They do not actually fight in rounds where they are fully recovered. And even if they did we see it is not always the case since Raiden fights in the Netherrealm against three people and is not healed in between rounds. Next you'll be saying Baraka really uses his X-Ray in battle to put his blade thru Johnny Cage's throat and eye and Cage is not only able to conitue and win the fight but is completely unharmed by it seconds later. In game features don't count as canon

thanos-prime
For starters liu kang did not die to the same attack that shang tsung took, It was a combination of raidens lightning attack and his own fire back firing on him. Second liu kang would beat the smelly hell out of raiden since he 1 shot mortally wounded shao kahn who later, in the same game, beat raiden like a dog. The authors intent was pretty clear when quan chi easily beat shang tsung who looked no worse for the wear. If that's not enough the event's of mortal kombat 9 clearly depict quan chi as the superior sorcerer: He Opened the soulnado, he's the one who saved shao kahn's life after being mortally wounded, and he's the one who resurrected sindel.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Except his skill. We saw him match his skill and fighting prowess against Quan Chi. It was sub par.


We see him injured. We see him later in the fight on top of the mountain using both arms and stabbing Kenshi. By your rationale he was damaged but we clearly see later him pwn a great mk swordsman in battle.

I don't need that since we already saw them fight. Quan already defeated Shang Tsung.


The video clearly shows both fully recovered. There were no nagging injuries and Quan Chi just defeated him. No, both had time and recovered. Shang is a pussy compared to Quan Chi and went down almost every attack. Quan is who carried him to victory in that fight as well.


We see no nagging injuries. There is no reason to assume they were injured or no sign of it when they were fighting after they all stood back up.

I am just using this to illustrate my point but it isn't needed as the video makes it clear when someone is hurt or when someone recovers. Mk fights are very resilient but you seem to believe if they receive damage they need a day or two off to be at full strength.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
For starters liu kang did not die to the same attack that shang tsung took, It was a combination of raidens lightning attack and his own fire back firing on him. Second liu kang would beat the smelly hell out of raiden since he 1 shot mortally wounded shao kahn who later, in the same game, beat raiden like a dog. The authors intent was pretty clear when quan chi easily beat shang tsung who looked no worse for the wear. If that's not enough the event's of mortal kombat 9 clearly depict quan chi as the superior sorcerer: He Opened the soulnado, he's the one who saved shao kahn's life after being mortally wounded, and he's the one who resurrected sindel.

You're right he died to a weaker one.

He would not beat Raiden since we clearly see Raiden easily kill him without even meaning to.

Shao Kahn beat Raiden's ass while Raiden was letting him. He didn't even try to fight back. It's called context.

Quan and Tsung fought after a fight just took place where Tsung was beaten up much more. Again context.

Soulnado isn't something Tsung knows how to do. Doesn't make Chi stronger as he cannot do things Tsung can ie soul manipulation as Chi NEEDED Tsung to awaken the dragon king's army. So if "can't do what others can do=stronger" is your reasoning, your reasoning is shit.

Tsung would not want to save Kahn's life as he was trying to seize control. Chi only did to farther his plans with Shinnok. Nowhere was it even hinted at that he couldn't.

Again Chi specializes in necromancy so he would know more about it then Tsung. Tsung creates warriors as opposed to just bringing them back which honestly would require more skill, he shape shifts and manipulates souls which are things he can do much better than Chi. So by your logic Tsung is also better cuz he did thing Chi did/could not.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw him match his skill and fighting prowess against Quan Chi. It was sub par.

We saw it against Liu Kang, possibly the greatest fighter in MK, and it was superb. The key difference in these fights was that he had just gotten his ass beat prior to one and in the other one he was fresh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see him injured. We see him later in the fight on top of the mountain using both arms and stabbing Kenshi. By your rationale he was damaged but we clearly see later him pwn a great mk swordsman in battle.

He was damaged but as a sorcerer he could have taken time to heal himself since we don't see him for a while. Also he had a much longer time between fights than Tsung did. And in addition to that he was nowhere as beat up as Tsung was against Raiden.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't need that since we already saw them fight. Quan already defeated Shang Tsung.

A weakened Shang Tsung

Originally posted by quanchi112
The video clearly shows both fully recovered. There were no nagging injuries and Quan Chi just defeated him. No, both had time and recovered. Shang is a pussy compared to Quan Chi and went down almost every attack. Quan is who carried him to victory in that fight as well.

Quan did do much better but again there are several explanations for that. Just look at what Tsung endured in that fight. No way he was fully recovered in seconds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see no nagging injuries. There is no reason to assume they were injured or no sign of it when they were fighting after they all stood back up.

So if you can stand/walk you're at 100% now?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am just using this to illustrate my point but it isn't needed as the video makes it clear when someone is hurt or when someone recovers. Mk fights are very resilient but you seem to believe if they receive damage they need a day or two off to be at full strength.

Not a day or two but certainly more than a few seconds.

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
You're right he died to a weaker one.

He would not beat Raiden since we clearly see Raiden easily kill him without even meaning to.

Shao Kahn beat Raiden's ass while Raiden was letting him. He didn't even try to fight back. It's called context.

Quan and Tsung fought after a fight just took place where Tsung was beaten up much more. Again context.

Soulnado isn't something Tsung knows how to do. Doesn't make Chi stronger as he cannot do things Tsung can ie soul manipulation as Chi NEEDED Tsung to awaken the dragon king's army. So if "can't do what others can do=stronger" is your reasoning, your reasoning is shit.

Tsung would not want to save Kahn's life as he was trying to seize control. Chi only did to farther his plans with Shinnok. Nowhere was it even hinted at that he couldn't.

Again Chi specializes in necromancy so he would know more about it then Tsung. Tsung creates warriors as opposed to just bringing them back which honestly would require more skill, he shape shifts and manipulates souls which are things he can do much better than Chi. So by your logic Tsung is also better cuz he did thing Chi did/could not. I like how you glossed over the fact that it wasn't raiden that was responsible for what happened to liu kang it was his own power back firing on him.

Honestly the other stuff i named is just gravy, the only thing that really matters is that quan chi already beat shang tsung like a dog. A shang tsung who was feeling confident enough to try to take the amulet from him. By the way shang tsung only took one more lighting attack than quan chi and when that one came he hadn't even gotten up from the first one.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
I like how you glossed over the fact that it wasn't raiden that was responsible for what happened to liu kang it was his own power back firing on him.

Honestly the other stuff i named is just gravy, the only thing that really matters is that quan chi already beat shang tsung like a dog. A shang tsung who was feeling confident enough to try to take the amulet from him. By the way shang tsung only took one more lighting attack than quan chi and when that one came he hadn't even gotten up from the first one.

I can't say one way or the other as i haven't watched the scene in a while. You may be right. Then again you may not be. Either way it was made very clear Raiden was barely trying and killed him. And him dying from his own attack is pretty weak too imo

Well if you actually played Dead Alliance you'd know that Tsung and Chi were planning on betraying one another after the army was ready and knew the other was as well. Tsung knew that Chi would try to kill him at the earliest convience so he basically just decided to throw down then instead of having Chi get the drop on him. Doesn't mean he was actually fit to fight. And Shang took 3 lightning hits with the last one being much longer than the others. I only recall Quan taking one but i'll rewatch to make sure.

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
I can't say one way or the other as i haven't watched the scene in a while. You may be right. Then again you may not be. Either way it was made very clear Raiden was barely trying and killed him. And him dying from his own attack is pretty weak too imo

Well if you actually played Dead Alliance you'd know that Tsung and Chi were planning on betraying one another after the army was ready and knew the other was as well. Tsung knew that Chi would try to kill him at the earliest convience so he basically just decided to throw down then instead of having Chi get the drop on him. Doesn't mean he was actually fit to fight. And Shang took 3 lightning hits with the last one being much longer than the others. I only recall Quan taking one but i'll rewatch to make sure. How is it weak? That same attack put a hole in shao kahn's chest.

The fact that they were plotting to kill each other is irrelevant, Quan chi won. Even if shang tsung was slightly more weakened from the fight with raiden, the ease with which quan chi beat him cant be written off.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
How is it weak? That same attack put a hole in shao kahn's chest.

The fact that they were plotting to kill each other is irrelevant, Quan chi won. Even if shang tsung was slightly more weakened from the fight with raiden, the ease with which quan chi beat him cant be written off.

How did his "fire fist punch" destroy his whole body when it is only shown to damage what it hits?

It is not. Knowing you will be attacked soon is a very good reason to try to fight on your own terms if you can. It wasn't "slight" as he was wrecked and Quan was not. It is not being written off, Quan destroyed him fairly easily. But if he could do that to a fresh Shang remains to be seen

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
How did his "fire fist punch" destroy his whole body when it is only shown to damage what it hits?

It is not. Knowing you will be attacked soon is a very good reason to try to fight on your own terms if you can. It wasn't "slight" as he was wrecked and Quan was not. It is not being written off, Quan destroyed him fairly easily. But if he could do that to a fresh Shang remains to be seen when he punched raidens shield he was hit with both his and raidens power.

He had just absorbed some souls would which heals him, if anyone was in worst shape it was quan as he had no time in between fights to heal where as on top of healing shang also spent most of the fight on the floor.

I would like to know who these warriors are that shang makes aswell as you said it was a showing of skill whereas just bringing people back was easy. Ah and quan makes warrior's too lets not forget scorpion.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
when he punched raidens shield he was hit with both his and raidens power.

He had just absorbed some souls would which heals him, if anyone was in worst shape it was quan as he had no time in between fights to heal where as on top of healing shang also spent most of the fight on the floor.

I would like to know who these warriors are that shang makes aswell as you said it was a showing of skill whereas just bringing people back was easy. Ah and quan makes warrior's too lets not forget scorpion.

It did not look like a "shield" to me but again i will watch it tonight when i get off work and will comment on it tomorrow deal? No Youtube access at my job.

When was it ever shown that absorbing a soul heals him outside of a gameplay feature that only came about in the 5th game? All that was stated about it is that it is required to keep his youth/strength not heal him from injury.

Shang Tsung created Mileena, Meat and maybe Skarlet. Quan Chi does not "create" fighters he simply ressurects already dead warriors like Scorpion and Bi Han, who was the original Sub Zero and later became Noob Saibot. He is also shown raising dead fighters against Jax.

EDIT: Just read Skarlet's bio and she was created by Shao Kahn himself so disregard me mentioning her.

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
It did not look like a "shield" to me but again i will watch it tonight when i get off work and will comment on it tomorrow deal? No Youtube access at my job.

When was it ever shown that absorbing a soul heals him outside of a gameplay feature that only came about in the 5th game? All that was stated about it is that it is required to keep his youth/strength not heal him from injury.

Shang Tsung created Mileena, Meat and maybe Skarlet. Quan Chi does not "create" fighters he simply ressurects already dead warriors like Scorpion and Bi Han, who was the original Sub Zero and later became Noob Saibot. He is also shown raising dead fighters against Jax.

EDIT: Just read Skarlet's bio and she was created by Shao Kahn himself so disregard me mentioning her. k

the soul obviously gave him a power up of some sort it healed him imo but even if it didn't he still was powered up in his fight with quan and still lost easily.

mileena a biological creation not a showing of his sorcery and even then she is messed up pretty sure her mouth isn't supposed to be like that, Meat another unfinished creation is a piece of shit compared to scorpion and noob saibot. And noob siabot and scorpion are his creations he made them what they are, and they are both significantly better than meat.

Just want to point out that quan also did much better aganist raiden that shang.

Zack Fair
Without reading the 4 pages I'm going to say Quanchi wins. I think it has been consistently shown and/or portrayed that Quan is superior to Shang.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
k

the soul obviously gave him a power up of some sort it healed him imo but even if it didn't he still was powered up in his fight with quan and still lost easily.

mileena a biological creation not a showing of his sorcery and even then she is messed up pretty sure her mouth isn't supposed to be like that, Meat another unfinished creation is a piece of shit compared to scorpion and noob saibot. And noob siabot and scorpion are his creations he made them what they are, and they are both significantly better than meat.

Just want to point out that quan also did much better aganist raiden that shang.

Watched it and it does seem like Kang was on fire and not just shocked. Tho it still shows he was no match for Raiden cuz in the cutscene before it they are about to fight and then the next one Kang is getting up very slowly like he just got his ass beat. Then he decides to try to run around Raiden instead of engaging him again. I also can't say that he took more than Shang cuz as stated earlier Raiden was trying to kill Shang while just trying to hold Kang back.

I will agree it gave him some power, but he also used a good amount of that power with the fire snake, and he still was not healed. It's clear he's not near 100%

In her bio it's made clear that Shang Tsung created here with his sorcerery. How he did it exactly is unclear but his power was the reason behind it. And it's stated in MK9 that there really isn't technology in Outworld which is why they were shocked when they saw tech signals coming from Cyrax and Sektor. Meat is incomplete so it's really unfair to compare him to others since they are completed. Scorpion is better than Mileena but Noob is iffy tho. And even still what's easier: to improve on and already created person or create one from scratch? Sektor and Cyrax are improved as well but that you wouldn't give their makers credit for actually creating the warriors themselves would you?

Yes he did but this point isn't really revelent as i've stated earlier. Foreman did better against Frazier than Ali did yet Ali still beat Foreman. Plus iirc Raiden has much more knowledge on Shang Tsung then he does on Quan Chi as he's encountered Tsung more often and seen him fight, and had ample opportunity to assess his weaknesses. Plus Quan being an Oni pretty much already makes him stronger and able to tank more damage than a human like Shang, so a kick or lightning strike would naturally affect Tsung more especially from someone stronger and more skilled than himself.

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
Watched it and it does seem like Kang was on fire and not just shocked. Tho it still shows he was no match for Raiden cuz in the cutscene before it they are about to fight and then the next one Kang is getting up very slowly like he just got his ass beat. Then he decides to try to run around Raiden instead of engaging him again. I also can't say that he took more than Shang cuz as stated earlier Raiden was trying to kill Shang while just trying to hold Kang back.

I will agree it gave him some power, but he also used a good amount of that power with the fire snake, and he still was not healed. It's clear he's not near 100%

In her bio it's made clear that Shang Tsung created here with his sorcerery. How he did it exactly is unclear but his power was the reason behind it. And it's stated in MK9 that there really isn't technology in Outworld which is why they were shocked when they saw tech signals coming from Cyrax and Sektor. Meat is incomplete so it's really unfair to compare him to others since they are completed. Scorpion is better than Mileena but Noob is iffy tho. And even still what's easier: to improve on and already created person or create one from scratch? Sektor and Cyrax are improved as well but that you wouldn't give their makers credit for actually creating the warriors themselves would you?

Yes he did but this point isn't really revelent as i've stated earlier. Foreman did better against Frazier than Ali did yet Ali still beat Foreman. Plus iirc Raiden has much more knowledge on Shang Tsung then he does on Quan Chi as he's encountered Tsung more often and seen him fight, and had ample opportunity to assess his weaknesses. Plus Quan being an Oni pretty much already makes him stronger and able to tank more damage than a human like Shang, so a kick or lightning strike would naturally affect Tsung more especially from someone stronger and more skilled than himself. In game fight's aren't really indications of who is better if you want to go that route shang tsung was beaten by people he should never lose to in mk9. He tried to run around him cause he felt they were wasting time, he wanted to stop kahn from merging the realms. Even if he were holding back kang wasn't he was trying to kill raiden and riaden's shield + Liu's all out fire fist imo is greater than the lightning raiden hit either of these two with.

Even if he used some power on the snake quan did as well that was a joint attack, and there's the fact that quan spent far more energy and power on the fight with raiden than shang did. quan was also far from 100%.

It's really not iffy that noob is better than either he has consistently been one of the most powerful fighter's throughout the games. Noob and scorpion are created from scratch in the sense that they are completely different from what they were before, much more powerful. and mileena isn't created from just sorcery he needed katana's and tarkatan dna and still messed her up whereas scorpion and noob are complete and far more powerful beings.

Assessing weaknesses don't mean anything if all your doing is blasting the opponent with lightning. "Human" Doesn't mean anything in Mortal kombat, there are humans more durable than quan and shang, durability in mk is directly tied to power imo. And im pretty sure that it's been said in one of the games that shang isn't human anymore anyway, he's a demon iirc.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
In game fight's aren't really indications of who is better if you want to go that route shang tsung was beaten by people he should never lose to in mk9. He tried to run around him cause he felt they were wasting time, he wanted to stop kahn from merging the realms. Even if he were holding back kang wasn't he was trying to kill raiden and riaden's shield + Liu's all out fire fist imo is greater than the lightning raiden hit either of these two with.

Even if he used some power on the snake quan did as well that was a joint attack, and there's the fact that quan spent far more energy and power on the fight with raiden than shang did. quan was also far from 100%.

It's really not iffy that noob is better than either he has consistently been one of the most powerful fighter's throughout the games. Noob and scorpion are created from scratch in the sense that they are completely different from what they were before, much more powerful. and mileena isn't created from just sorcery he needed katana's and tarkatan dna and still messed her up whereas scorpion and noob are complete and far more powerful beings.

Assessing weaknesses don't mean anything if all your doing is blasting the opponent with lightning. "Human" Doesn't mean anything in Mortal kombat, there are humans more durable than quan and shang, durability in mk is directly tied to power imo. And im pretty sure that it's been said in one of the games that shang isn't human anymore anyway, he's a demon iirc.

I wasn't an in game fight tho it was a canon cut scene. Liu Kang was the one slowly getting up in the canon cutscene therefore he was losing the fight. Shang was canonly beaten by several people below his level imo but that is canon no matter how much i dislike it. Same goes for Quan Chi. Both of them were beaten way too often in 9 along with the Shokan. But again it's canon now just like Liu getting beat down by Raiden. Raiden's all out lightning attack would be much greater than his holding back lightning attack. Adding fire to it still doesn't make it all that impressive since it was a "fire fist" attack and it backfired, spreading all over therefore he was severely burned by an attack not very concentrated. Raiden was hit by a concentrated fire snake and was barely singed.

Quan did not aid in the fire snake attck. They jointly lifted Raiden up and held him in the air, then Shang pulled the snake out. I'd say they were pretty evenly worn out but it's very clear that Shang took more damage in the fight and therefore was more injured. I don't think Quan was 100% either but i do think he was better off than Shang seeing as how he was attacked less

They weren't created from scratch tho. Both were very highly trained assassins with otherworldly powers before Quan Chi entered the equation. And Scorpion was not improved all that much seeing as how Bi Han killed him and then when he came back Bi Han whipped his ass again. It wasn't until their 3rd encounter that Scorpion was successful. And let's not forget Mileena had higher status amoung Shao Kahn's generals than Noob. Iirc Noob was only really used for assassinations and whatnot but Mileena led armies. Imho Bi Han was more powerful as Sub Zero and even his younger brother comments on how he was a far stronger "Sub Zero" than he was.

It means alot seeing as how Raiden was able to couter Shang like he knew what he's do before he even did it. "Human" means a lot as we see Kahn survive a hole punched thru his chest and we see Stryker die from a punch to the face. Shang is indeed human, the demon thing was an idea that was scraped iirc. He sold his soul to Kahn for power but he's still human. Yeah the MK guys are more durable than normal humans but there is still a difference amoung them with the Oni being amoung the strongest and most durable races out there

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
I wasn't an in game fight tho it was a canon cut scene. Liu Kang was the one slowly getting up in the canon cutscene therefore he was losing the fight. Shang was canonly beaten by several people below his level imo but that is canon no matter how much i dislike it. Same goes for Quan Chi. Both of them were beaten way too often in 9 along with the Shokan. But again it's canon now just like Liu getting beat down by Raiden. Raiden's all out lightning attack would be much greater than his holding back lightning attack. Adding fire to it still doesn't make it all that impressive since it was a "fire fist" attack and it backfired, spreading all over therefore he was severely burned by an attack not very concentrated. Raiden was hit by a concentrated fire snake and was barely singed.

Quan did not aid in the fire snake attck. They jointly lifted Raiden up and held him in the air, then Shang pulled the snake out. I'd say they were pretty evenly worn out but it's very clear that Shang took more damage in the fight and therefore was more injured. I don't think Quan was 100% either but i do think he was better off than Shang seeing as how he was attacked less

They weren't created from scratch tho. Both were very highly trained assassins with otherworldly powers before Quan Chi entered the equation. And Scorpion was not improved all that much seeing as how Bi Han killed him and then when he came back Bi Han whipped his ass again. It wasn't until their 3rd encounter that Scorpion was successful. And let's not forget Mileena had higher status amoung Shao Kahn's generals than Noob. Iirc Noob was only really used for assassinations and whatnot but Mileena led armies. Imho Bi Han was more powerful as Sub Zero and even his younger brother comments on how he was a far stronger "Sub Zero" than he was.


It means alot seeing as how Raiden was able to couter Shang like he knew what he's do before he even did it. "Human" means a lot as we see Kahn survive a hole punched thru his chest and we see Stryker die from a punch to the face. Shang is indeed human, the demon thing was an idea that was scraped iirc. He sold his soul to Kahn for power but he's still human. Yeah the MK guys are more durable than normal humans but there is still a difference amoung them with the Oni being amoung the strongest and most durable races out there it wasn't an attack but a shield and we have no idea how much power he held back but we know liu was going all out which imo contributed most of the damage, And the fire is where the power comes from it is not the punch unless you think liu could punch through sonya or johnny's chest with a normal punch.

After watching the video again i have to say i think they both took very comparable amounts of damage the first lightning blast quan takes is sustained almost as long as the one shang takes on the ground on top of that he also takes more melee hits.

Scorpions was just a ninja before becoming scorpion him being a "highly trained assassin" is based on nothing i can think of. And i see nothing of them having a match where sub-zero won before the tourney where scorpion killed him in scorpions wiki page. Noob himself comments on how he is now complete as noob which imo he was implying he was more powerful. Mileena led armies as she could be controlled that's the entire reason she was made kahn wanted a kitana he could control.

Comparing kahn to stryker is silly as kahn is one of the most powerful people from outworld. is this " Oni being amoung the strongest and most durable races out there" actually based on statements or anything? cause i don't think i have ever seen anything that hints at it might be wrong tho.Raiden countered shang and quan at times in the fight not because he has personal info on there attacks but because he could, that's what you do when you have the capability to counter you counter.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
it wasn't an attack but a shield and we have no idea how much power he held back but we know liu was going all out which imo contributed most of the damage, And the fire is where the power comes from it is not the punch unless you think liu could punch through sonya or johnny's chest with a normal punch.

After watching the video again i have to say i think they both took very comparable amounts of damage the first lightning blast quan takes is sustained almost as long as the one shang takes on the ground on top of that he also takes more melee hits.

Scorpions was just a ninja before becoming scorpion him being a "highly trained assassin" is based on nothing i can think of. And i see nothing of them having a match where sub-zero won before the tourney where scorpion killed him in scorpions wiki page. Noob himself comments on how he is now complete as noob which imo he was implying he was more powerful. Mileena led armies as she could be controlled that's the entire reason she was made kahn wanted a kitana he could control.

Comparing kahn to stryker is silly as kahn is one of the most powerful people from outworld. is this " Oni being amoung the strongest and most durable races out there" actually based on statements or anything? cause i don't think i have ever seen anything that hints at it might be wrong tho.Raiden countered shang and quan at times in the fight not because he has personal info on there attacks but because he could, that's what you do when you have the capability to counter you counter.

It was an attack. He struck Kang as he was trying to punch Raiden. Even if it was a shield it makes it worse since an all out lightning strike would be stronger. The power was concentrated in his fist, flames spreading in not as powerful as the focused shot.

Shang took a shock, a kick, a shock and then a much longer shock. Quan took a "back body drop", a kick with less momentum, and a shock. Seems to me Quan got the better end of the deal.

He was a member of the clan that rivaled the Lin Kuei which was founded by a member of the Lin Kuei that deserted them. It's sated that he taught them the secrets of the Lin Kuei which is why they hate them so much. Scorpion is the most powerful member of this clan. He is highly skilled.

In MK Mythologies Sub Zero it's shown that they fight and Sub Zero kills him. Then they fight again in the Netherrealm after Scorpion is brought back by Quan Chi and Sub Zero beats him again. The game is canon and the events of it are mentioned by Raiden in MK 9. Noob is controlled too so that would not be the reason that Mileena is above him. Noob was basically warped/brainwashed by Quan Chi so his own statements about him being better are suspect at the least since that could simply be what Quan makes him believe.

Trus it is a weird comparison but in MK 9 mostly only humans died and the only one i can think of on the evil side that was close was Kahn. Sindel died under weird circumstances and Kahn killed Shang in a strange way. Just looked it up and Quan is not an Oni, he used to be one but now he is a demon. I think the only difference is that Oni are wild and primative while demons are not. Anyway the Oni being stronger was my own opinion based off of Moloch and Drahmin. It's clear to me that then are stronger than humans and the races in MK that are comparable or stronger are Shokans and Centaurs.

I had a much better answer typed out but it got erased accidently, so if anything needs further explaining lemme know.

P.S. I really only post at work so i won't be responding until Monday. Just so you don't think i ran off butthurt lol

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
It was an attack. He struck Kang as he was trying to punch Raiden. Even if it was a shield it makes it worse since an all out lightning strike would be stronger. The power was concentrated in his fist, flames spreading in not as powerful as the focused shot.

Shang took a shock, a kick, a shock and then a much longer shock. Quan took a "back body drop", a kick with less momentum, and a shock. Seems to me Quan got the better end of the deal.

He was a member of the clan that rivaled the Lin Kuei which was founded by a member of the Lin Kuei that deserted them. It's sated that he taught them the secrets of the Lin Kuei which is why they hate them so much. Scorpion is the most powerful member of this clan. He is highly skilled.

In MK Mythologies Sub Zero it's shown that they fight and Sub Zero kills him. Then they fight again in the Netherrealm after Scorpion is brought back by Quan Chi and Sub Zero beats him again. The game is canon and the events of it are mentioned by Raiden in MK 9. Noob is controlled too so that would not be the reason that Mileena is above him. Noob was basically warped/brainwashed by Quan Chi so his own statements about him being better are suspect at the least since that could simply be what Quan makes him believe.

Trus it is a weird comparison but in MK 9 mostly only humans died and the only one i can think of on the evil side that was close was Kahn. Sindel died under weird circumstances and Kahn killed Shang in a strange way. Just looked it up and Quan is not an Oni, he used to be one but now he is a demon. I think the only difference is that Oni are wild and primative while demons are not. Anyway the Oni being stronger was my own opinion based off of Moloch and Drahmin. It's clear to me that then are stronger than humans and the races in MK that are comparable or stronger are Shokans and Centaurs.

I had a much better answer typed out but it got erased accidently, so if anything needs further explaining lemme know.

P.S. I really only post at work so i won't be responding until Monday. Just so you don't think i ran off butthurt lol no point in continuing this point as were not going to agree so agree to disagree.

Quan got shocked twice the first was almost as long as the one that raiden used on shang when he was down and the second when raiden blasted through his skeleton wall, so i think they took very comparable amounts of damage, the only difference is shang spent most of the fight on the ground not losing any energy and absorbed souls which if that doesn't put his condition above quans it atleast evens it.

Ah was not aware that was cannon. Noob is controlled by quan chi who can't be trusted so those who serve him can't be trusted either. Why would quan give a shit what noob thinks to quan he is merely a slave.

Oni are cleary very different from each other physically and intelligence wise, I don't see any reason that because moloch is stronger than this person because quan is an oni as well he should be stronger too.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
We saw it against Liu Kang, possibly the greatest fighter in MK, and it was superb. The key difference in these fights was that he had just gotten his ass beat prior to one and in the other one he was fresh.
We saw what against Liu Kang ? Liu was a zombie and later showed he was not defeated and prevented Shang from reaching the top. The other fight he recovered.


So it only counts for Shang. Thought as much. We have a canon fight in which Quan destroys him and a video game programmer admitting he's the better sorcerer and yet you still want to live in your own world about this.

Tsung's powers and his youth comes from the souls and yet the soulnado was used. Yet you want to act like shang was on death's door and ignore everything out of personal love of a character. It's obvious.


The game portrays him as recovered. You pretend he was hurt.

Prove it. I guess souls don't power him up now. I guess him acting like he recovered was just a trick to conceal his acl tears. LOL.


He fought using his skill without missing a beat. When your guy loses or cheats you make up excuses.

1. Barbossa--He never saw him and only cheated because his peg leg made him far weaker despite no proof of any of this.

2. Dumbledore--He doesn't kill. Any good wizard who defends his own life and kills is a murderer and can't kill in self defense. LOL.

3. Shang--He was weakened. Bring up irrelevant fights. Argue through a series of speculative points.

Quan won. He dominated. Get over it.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
no point in continuing this point as were not going to agree so agree to disagree.

Quan got shocked twice the first was almost as long as the one that raiden used on shang when he was down and the second when raiden blasted through his skeleton wall, so i think they took very comparable amounts of damage, the only difference is shang spent most of the fight on the ground not losing any energy and absorbed souls which if that doesn't put his condition above quans it atleast evens it.

Ah was not aware that was cannon. Noob is controlled by quan chi who can't be trusted so those who serve him can't be trusted either. Why would quan give a shit what noob thinks to quan he is merely a slave.

Oni are cleary very different from each other physically and intelligence wise, I don't see any reason that because moloch is stronger than this person because quan is an oni as well he should be stronger too.

Ok

You're right i forgot about the second time but Shang still got three with the final one being two handed right? Just look at his fight with Zombie Kang. He is moving a lot better, at 100% then he was after being beaten up.

I was just pointing out that Noob would be pretty much brainwashed therefore his opinion about being better is suspect.

The Oni in general are beastly so i was generalizing. Again it really doesn't matter at this point since i was wrong in believing Chi to still be an Oni.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw what against Liu Kang ? Liu was a zombie and later showed he was not defeated and prevented Shang from reaching the top. The other fight he recovered.


So it only counts for Shang. Thought as much. We have a canon fight in which Quan destroys him and a video game programmer admitting he's the better sorcerer and yet you still want to live in your own world about this.

Tsung's powers and his youth comes from the souls and yet the soulnado was used. Yet you want to act like shang was on death's door and ignore everything out of personal love of a character. It's obvious.


The game portrays him as recovered. You pretend he was hurt.

Prove it. I guess souls don't power him up now. I guess him acting like he recovered was just a trick to conceal his acl tears. LOL.


He fought using his skill without missing a beat. When your guy loses or cheats you make up excuses.

1. Barbossa--He never saw him and only cheated because his peg leg made him far weaker despite no proof of any of this.

2. Dumbledore--He doesn't kill. Any good wizard who defends his own life and kills is a murderer and can't kill in self defense. LOL.

3. Shang--He was weakened. Bring up irrelevant fights. Argue through a series of speculative points.

Quan won. He dominated. Get over it.

He was beaten and came back to sneak attack. Beaten does not mean dispatched forever as you seem to believe

Never said that. Not a fight at 100%

Never said he was on death's door. Strawman much?

If you say so.

They do power him up they just don't heal him

Bringing up other threads is a sign of weakness. Show more fear buddy.

You've lost. Again.

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
Ok

You're right i forgot about the second time but Shang still got three with the final one being two handed right? Just look at his fight with Zombie Kang. He is moving a lot better, at 100% then he was after being beaten up.

I was just pointing out that Noob would be pretty much brainwashed therefore his opinion about being better is suspect.

The Oni in general are beastly so i was generalizing. Again it really doesn't matter at this point since i was wrong in believing Chi to still be an Oni. The only one in the fight to not take a two handed lightning blast was shang both of the ones quan took were two-handed and the first was sustained. He wasn't showing any strain to move in his fight with quan, he wasn't moving any differently other than a bit slower but at the same time quan was moving faster in his fight with kenchi while injured.

i don't think it's suspect at all because again why would he care what noob thinks? All he cares about from noob is that he does what he's told.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by thanos-prime
The only one in the fight to not take a two handed lightning blast was shang both of the ones quan took were two-handed and the first was sustained. He wasn't showing any strain to move in his fight with quan, he wasn't moving any differently other than a bit slower but at the same time quan was moving faster in his fight with kenchi while injured.

i don't think it's suspect at all because again why would he care what noob thinks? All he cares about from noob is that he does what he's told.

Shang definitely takes a two-hander. And a pretty long one, at that.

thanos-prime
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Shang definitely takes a two-hander. And a pretty long one, at that. i know

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by thanos-prime
i know

Did you overlook it?

thanos-prime
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Did you overlook it? What i meant to say was that shang didn't take ONLY two-handed blasts whereas quan did.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by thanos-prime
What i meant to say was that shang didn't take ONLY two-handed blasts whereas quan did.

The one-handed blast that Shang took was a souped-up one that sent him flying for several meters and put him out of commission for quite some time.

thanos-prime
What do you base it being souped-up on?

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by thanos-prime
What do you base it being souped-up on?

On two things: the fact that Raiden took quite a bit of time to prepare that attack and the fact that it sent Shang Tsung flying.

thanos-prime
Raiden posing before the blast is not proof of anything. Quan, Shang and Raiden were sent flying from every blast they took.

You guys are arguing under the false premise that Shang and Quan are equal, therefore when Shang is knocked down or sent flying further, he was obviously hit harder. This is not true.

Raiden was defending himself against two powerful people trying to kill him, why would he hold back on either of them?

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
The only one in the fight to not take a two handed lightning blast was shang both of the ones quan took were two-handed and the first was sustained. He wasn't showing any strain to move in his fight with quan, he wasn't moving any differently other than a bit slower but at the same time quan was moving faster in his fight with kenchi while injured.

i don't think it's suspect at all because again why would he care what noob thinks? All he cares about from noob is that he does what he's told.

Are you saying that the damage Quan took from Jax's one hit is somehow equal to the damage Shang took from Raiden?

He cares a great deal. It's been established that they are not slaves and do have free will which is clearly shown when Scorpion turns on him. Scorpion also refused to kill Bi Han and needed to coaxed into doing so. If they were simple slaves coaxing would not be needed. Sereena also turned on him to aid Sub Zero. Ashrah may have also been in his employ at one time and left tho im not too sure about this. But the point is that Noob believing Quan had done wrong to him could result in his betrayal so it is very important Quan have him believe that he is improved and better off. Hence it being suspect

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
Are you saying that the damage Quan took from Jax's one hit is somehow equal to the damage Shang took from Raiden?

He cares a great deal. It's been established that they are not slaves and do have free will which is clearly shown when Scorpion turns on him. Scorpion also refused to kill Bi Han and needed to coaxed into doing so. If they were simple slaves coaxing would not be needed. Sereena also turned on him to aid Sub Zero. Ashrah may have also been in his employ at one time and left tho im not too sure about this. But the point is that Noob believing Quan had done wrong to him could result in his betrayal so it is very important Quan have him believe that he is improved and better off. Hence it being suspect No what i was saying is that quan was also moving faster in his fight with kenchi while injured than in his fight with shang, Meaning he was also injured to the point that in the shang, quan fight they were moving about the same speed.

bi han would not have felt he was wronged if he had indeed been made more powerful. He plays off their emotions and makes deals with them to get what he wants.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by thanos-prime
Raiden posing before the blast is not proof of anything. Quan, Shang and Raiden were sent flying from every blast they took.

You guys are arguing under the false premise that Shang and Quan are equal, therefore when Shang is knocked down or sent flying further, he was obviously hit harder. This is not true.

Raiden was defending himself against two powerful people trying to kill him, why would he hold back on either of them?

That's wrong. Shang Tsung was not sent flying by the first blast(which was two-handed) and neither was Quan Chi when Raiden broke through his wall of skulls. They were merely knocked down on their asses. Also, why would Raiden bother merely posing in a middle of a fight against two powerful sorcerers who are trying to kill him? Seems terribly foolish to me. At any rate, Raiden does put his hands together right before firing off that blast, if you want to be anal.

Of course he wouldn't hold back. That doesn't mean all of Raiden's attacks were equal.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
No what i was saying is that quan was also moving faster in his fight with kenchi while injured than in his fight with shang, Meaning he was also injured to the point that in the shang, quan fight they were moving about the same speed.

bi han would not have felt he was wronged if he had indeed been made more powerful. He plays off their emotions and makes deals with them to get what he wants.

Ok so we agree that the fight was not at 100% but you believe they were injured equally dispite Shang taking more damage? Ok i'll go with that for now. So we have two fighters that now are moving slower and less agile with one having a distinct strength and durability advantage and you think that the fight was fair and balanced? At 100% Shang's speed and technique would have much better as his showing on the pyramid was superior to anything Quan has shown.

He was dilibertly framed by Quan Chi. He then provoked Scorpion into killing him just so Quan Chi could use him to further his own agenda. He also tricked Bi Han into killing Scorpion in the first place which ultimately culminated in his death and "servitude". I think he'd have plenty to be sore about if Quan was not manipulating him.

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
Ok so we agree that the fight was not at 100% but you believe they were injured equally dispite Shang taking more damage? Ok i'll go with that for now. So we have two fighters that now are moving slower and less agile with one having a distinct strength and durability advantage and you think that the fight was fair and balanced? At 100% Shang's speed and technique would have much better as his showing on the pyramid was superior to anything Quan has shown.

He was dilibertly framed by Quan Chi. He then provoked Scorpion into killing him just so Quan Chi could use him to further his own agenda. He also tricked Bi Han into killing Scorpion in the first place which ultimately culminated in his death and "servitude". I think he'd have plenty to be sore about if Quan was not manipulating him. shang did take more damage but your also forgetting that he absorbed souls which imo would have made them around equal. Shang was the one who was shown to be less skilled in their own fight, it wasn't strength or durability that finised shang but pressure points too his arms iirc. exactly what skill showing are you refering to? Beating a slow zombie kang? Getting manhandled by shiva? running for his life from kahn?

You might be right if he knew about this but iirc he doesn't nor would he have any reason to suspect it as who would tell him? and if he could manipulate their feelings and thoughts why not make them absolutely loyal? cause as you brought up earlier they do have free will.

Ah and as for showings on the pyramid as far as technique are concerned beating kenchi in a swordfight > anything shang did.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
shang did take more damage but your also forgetting that he absorbed souls which imo would have made them around equal. Shang was the one who was shown to be less skilled in their own fight, it wasn't strength or durability that finised shang but pressure points too his arms iirc. exactly what skill showing are you refering to? Beating a slow zombie kang? Getting manhandled by shiva? running for his life from kahn?

You might be right if he knew about this but iirc he doesn't nor would he have any reason to suspect it as who would tell him? and if he could manipulate their feelings and thoughts why not make them absolutely loyal? cause as you brought up earlier they do have free will.

Ah and as for showings on the pyramid as far as technique are concerned beating kenchi in a swordfight > anything shang did.

Ok so we are saying they were about equally injured now. Wrong. Shang was the one who used what looked like a pressure point. Quan pretty much just overpowered him totally. Kang was far from slow plus he had weapons. We don't know if he faced Shiva at all since it could have easily been the real Ermac there. He did not run from Kahn, he easily dodged and attacked, effortlessly knocking Kahn away.

Exactly he does not know. And Quan wants to keep it that way. He would also want Bi Han to be very pleased with his new form so leading him to believe it was better would be a way to do so. He clearly can not just make them blindly loyal so he must do the next best thing which is to make them believe they are better off and are in his debt. Iirc Noob had very few memories of his prievous life according to Armageddon so how exactly would he just know he was stronger and/or complete like this if he wasn't basically told so?

His skill was with swords. That has very little to do with h2h combat unless you believe all master swordsmen can step into the ring with pro boxers/mma fighters and do well. I will give you that Quan has shown much more skill with blades than Shang has but Shang has shown more skill unarmed than Quan has

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
Ok so we are saying they were about equally injured now. Wrong. Shang was the one who used what looked like a pressure point. Quan pretty much just overpowered him totally. Kang was far from slow plus he had weapons. We don't know if he faced Shiva at all since it could have easily been the real Ermac there. He did not run from Kahn, he easily dodged and attacked, effortlessly knocking Kahn away.

Exactly he does not know. And Quan wants to keep it that way. He would also want Bi Han to be very pleased with his new form so leading him to believe it was better would be a way to do so. He clearly can not just make them blindly loyal so he must do the next best thing which is to make them believe they are better off and are in his debt. Iirc Noob had very few memories of his prievous life according to Armageddon so how exactly would he just know he was stronger and/or complete like this if he wasn't basically told so?

His skill was with swords. That has very little to do with h2h combat unless you believe all master swordsmen can step into the ring with pro boxersmma fighters and do well. I will give you that Quan has shown much more skill with blades than Shang has but Shang has shown more skill unarmed than Quan has Yes i believe they were. If that wasn't a pressure point quan hit him with then why didn't shang attempt to block or even lift his arms for the first attack? That was shang you can see ermac lying on the ground behind quan when he's fighting kenchi then when he goes to finish him the body is gone, plus it would have been impossible to get past kahn who was holding the line at the bottom of the pyramid. easily dodging and jumping out of the way for dear life are two different things then he almost got his head crushed. kang was slow compared too his living self as we have seen them fight numerous times and it's never that uneven a fight.

What is the difference between making him believe he is more powerful than before and making him believe quan is his king or god which would give him obedience? i don't think Armageddon is cannon to mk9 which is where i believe the quote is from.

he is more skilled than shang with or without weapons refer to where quan beat him easily in their hth fight.

juggerman
Originally posted by thanos-prime
Yes i believe they were. If that wasn't a pressure point quan hit him with then why didn't shang attempt to block or even lift his arms for the first attack?

Shang hit Quan twice in the face, Quan hit Shang back once, Quan swung and Shang blocked at which time Shang jabbed Quan's armpit with his fingers, Shang then charged with both hands forward and Quan grabbed his arms and threw him, Quan attacked with both arms in a downward motion, Shang blocked, Quan forced Shang's arms down and pounded his face, Shang then tried to maybe choke Quan but Quan grabbed his arm and twisted it and lifted Shang up by the neck. There was no pressure point by Quan and maybe one by Shang


Originally posted by thanos-prime
That was shang you can see ermac lying on the ground behind quan when he's fighting kenchi then when he goes to finish him the body is gone,

That's not really proof one way or the other as Ermac could have easily gotten back up on his own.


Originally posted by thanos-prime
plus it would have been impossible to get past kahn who was holding the line at the bottom of the pyramid.

Stryker, Kabal, Shiva, Quan Chi and numerous others all got past Shao Kahn rather easily once the pyramid appeared so why couldn't Shang?

Originally posted by thanos-prime
easily dodging and jumping out of the way for dear life are two different things then he almost got his head crushed.

That did really counter anything i said tho.

I'll cover the rest in a bit g2g for now

thanos-prime
Originally posted by juggerman
Shang hit Quan twice in the face, Quan hit Shang back once, Quan swung and Shang blocked at which time Shang jabbed Quan's armpit with his fingers, Shang then charged with both hands forward and Quan grabbed his arms and threw him, Quan attacked with both arms in a downward motion, Shang blocked, Quan forced Shang's arms down and pounded his face, Shang then tried to maybe choke Quan but Quan grabbed his arm and twisted it and lifted Shang up by the neck. There was no pressure point by Quan and maybe one by Shang

That's not really proof one way or the other as Ermac there was time enough inbetween him forcing his arms down and punching him for shang to block.

juggerman

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
He was beaten and came back to sneak attack. Beaten does not mean dispatched forever as you seem to believe

Never said that. Not a fight at 100%

Never said he was on death's door. Strawman much?

If you say so.

They do power him up they just don't heal him

Bringing up other threads is a sign of weakness. Show more fear buddy.

You've lost. Again. Who was beaten now ? Beaten just means you lose a fight not killed, kiddo.

Both weren't at a 100 percent. Biased fool.

You can't prove he was worse for the wear than Quanchi.

Prove they don't heal him. If he retains youth that is restoring your health and then some.

You're weak. Bringing up other threads to show your inability to debate is just fun.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who was beaten now ? Beaten just means you lose a fight not killed, kiddo.

Both weren't at a 100 percent. Biased fool.

You can't prove he was worse for the wear than Quanchi.

Prove they don't heal him. If he retains youth that is restoring your health and then some.

You're weak. Bringing up other threads to show your inability to debate is just fun.

Kang was beaten. He came back later to attack from behind.

Negative. Proven already.

Prove it does heal him. Can't prove a negative slappy.

So you pull the whole 5 year old "it's ok when i do it but if you do it i'll say it's not allowed" stuff eh? Well what else can we expect from a child?

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Kang was beaten. He came back later to attack from behind.

Negative. Proven already.

Prove it does heal him. Can't prove a negative slappy.

So you pull the whole 5 year old "it's ok when i do it but if you do it i'll say it's not allowed" stuff eh? Well what else can we expect from a child? Wrong. Kang just came back from the pyramid.

Concession accepted.

So if I turn younger and my body is in better shape than a 60 year old body that isn't healing and improving your own life ? Wow. Do you ever think ?

I'm not a hypocrite it's you who are.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. Kang just came back from the pyramid.

Concession accepted.

So if I turn younger and my body is in better shape than a 60 year old body that isn't healing and improving your own life ? Wow. Do you ever think ?

I'm not a hypocrite it's you who are.

Kang was dominated and dispatched by Tsung easily. Only when Shang was focused on something else did Kang actually land a blow.

Yes i do accept yours. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Depends on the magic at hand. So you have no actual proof then? Ok well then i'll be accepting this concession as well

WOW! This may be the biggest lie you've ever told in your sad little life. I know you've told some whoppers before but man that one was a doozy

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Kang was dominated and dispatched by Tsung easily. Only when Shang was focused on something else did Kang actually land a blow.

Yes i do accept yours. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Depends on the magic at hand. So you have no actual proof then? Ok well then i'll be accepting this concession as well

WOW! This may be the biggest lie you've ever told in your sad little life. I know you've told some whoppers before but man that one was a doozy That was a zombified slower Kang. Kang dominated Tsung when he lived and he needed Quan to beat him.

It was a free for all. Shang failed. Cry.

It's in the game the Quanchi card when John Vogel admits it.

You're very emotional. Just relax, kiddo.

quanchi112
Juggerman has retreated.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
That was a zombified slower Kang. Kang dominated Tsung when he lived and he needed Quan to beat him.

It was a free for all. Shang failed. Cry.

It's in the game the Quanchi card when John Vogel admits it.

You're very emotional. Just relax, kiddo.

He was moving faster as a zombie then he was as a human. So fail.

It was one on one and Kand lost. Deal and move on child.

He admits Quan would beat Shang in a one on one fight when they were both at 100%? No? Well then shut it down sister since "more powerful sorcerer" doesn't mean "will win". Proof is that both Chi and Tsung are "more powerful sorcerers" than Liu Kang yet he was able to best them in a fight.

Not at all. I'm enjoying your failures. You have so many that the fun will never end

Originally posted by quanchi112
Juggerman has retreated.

Can't get me outta your head huh? Some of us have lives buddy. We're not all lucky enough to live rent free in mommy's basement like you.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
He was moving faster as a zombie then he was as a human. So fail.

It was one on one and Kand lost. Deal and move on child.

He admits Quan would beat Shang in a one on one fight when they were both at 100%? No? Well then shut it down sister since "more powerful sorcerer" doesn't mean "will win". Proof is that both Chi and Tsung are "more powerful sorcerers" than Liu Kang yet he was able to best them in a fight.

Not at all. I'm enjoying your failures. You have so many that the fun will never end



Can't get me outta your head huh? Some of us have lives buddy. We're not all lucky enough to live rent free in mommy's basement like you. His reactions and skills had diminished. He owned Tsung in mortal form. Only you would claim a zombie would be as quick or as skilled as the original.

No, he traveled further up the pyramid and then was denied since Kand was not beaten.

He admits Quan is the greatest sorcerer and they already fought. Neither were at 100 percent. Quan crushed him.

Hiding under your covers probably seems like a blast to you beta male but I'm an alpha.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
His reactions and skills had diminished. He owned Tsung in mortal form. Only you would claim a zombie would be as quick or as skilled as the original.

No, he traveled further up the pyramid and then was denied since Kand was not beaten.

He admits Quan is the greatest sorcerer and they already fought. Neither were at 100 percent. Quan crushed him.

Hiding under your covers probably seems like a blast to you beta male but I'm an alpha.

Screen feats prove you wrong silly child.

He owned Kang, then was slowed down by others allowing Kang to catch up. Weak

Quan is a greater sorcerer than Kang as well yet lost to him. Your logic sucks.

Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day you'll believe that. It's sad that you feel you need to try to convince people that you're not the sad little man you clearly are

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Screen feats prove you wrong silly child.

He owned Kang, then was slowed down by others allowing Kang to catch up. Weak

Quan is a greater sorcerer than Kang as well yet lost to him. Your logic sucks.

Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day you'll believe that. It's sad that you feel you need to try to convince people that you're not the sad little man you clearly are No, they don't. Plus you're ignoring Shang Tsungs use of souls. If anything the locale favored him but Quan still destroyed him nonetheless.

False. Knocking someone down a pyramid isn't owning them.

Quan also was responsible for bringing the alliance to Tsung thereby making it possible to defeat Kang along with other enemies.

You're someone who lives in his own world. I do hope to wake you from this dreamland but I sincerely doubt it.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they don't. Plus you're ignoring Shang Tsungs use of souls. If anything the locale favored him but Quan still destroyed him nonetheless.

False. Knocking someone down a pyramid isn't owning them.

Quan also was responsible for bringing the alliance to Tsung thereby making it possible to defeat Kang along with other enemies.

You're someone who lives in his own world. I do hope to wake you from this dreamland but I sincerely doubt it.

Yes they do. Liu Kang was shown to be just as fast and possibly a bit faster in his fight in Deception. I ignore nothing unlike you.

Shang did more than just knock him down buddy. He completely destroyed him. Actually watch the scene and you'll see

Quan needed Shang cuz he was not powerful enough to do it himself. That's not helping your case. He accidently stumbled onto something while fleeing for his life. Also not impressive.

Yes the real world can be a bit hard to wrap your head around after living in your own quanworld for so long. Rejoin us friend.

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Yes they do. Liu Kang was shown to be just as fast and possibly a bit faster in his fight in Deception. I ignore nothing unlike you.

Shang did more than just knock him down buddy. He completely destroyed him. Actually watch the scene and you'll see

Quan needed Shang cuz he was not powerful enough to do it himself. That's not helping your case. He accidently stumbled onto something while fleeing for his life. Also not impressive.

Yes the real world can be a bit hard to wrap your head around after living in your own quanworld for so long. Rejoin us friend. His reflexes aren't as fast. Acting like zombified Liu is equal to Mk champion Liu is hilarious.

If he completely destroyed him he would have had hooks in him from Liu preventing him from getting to the top first.

Quan couldn't do it on his own but then again the alliance benefited Shang more than Quan anyways. Quan put it all together and Scorpion was more powerful in the Netherrealm. Quan turned that frown upside down.

Quan destroyed him in combat. He also looked superior against Raiden. You lose.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
His reflexes aren't as fast. Acting like zombified Liu is equal to Mk champion Liu is hilarious.

If he completely destroyed him he would have had hooks in him from Liu preventing him from getting to the top first.

Quan couldn't do it on his own but then again the alliance benefited Shang more than Quan anyways. Quan put it all together and Scorpion was more powerful in the Netherrealm. Quan turned that frown upside down.

Quan destroyed him in combat. He also looked superior against Raiden. You lose.

Again screen feats prove you wrong. The word "zombie" does not mean he was slower and the fact that you're hanging on it like a babe to a *** is just sad. Your only argument is "cuz I want it to be this way" which does not work here quancakes

He beat Kang's ass and moved on. Kang's only landed hit happened when Shang's back was turned and he was focused on something else. Again proven by screen feats

But had the roles been reversed Shang could have done it alone. All he needed was the amulet and the spell Quan learned from the Ruin Stone. He would have transferred the souls on his own. Quan needed assistance cuz he's trash

Quan won a tainted fight. Foreman looked superior against Fraiser then Ali did. Means nothing chica. Better luck next time

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Again screen feats prove you wrong. The word "zombie" does not mean he was slower and the fact that you're hanging on it like a babe to a *** is just sad. Your only argument is "cuz I want it to be this way" which does not work here quancakes

He beat Kang's ass and moved on. Kang's only landed hit happened when Shang's back was turned and he was focused on something else. Again proven by screen feats

But had the roles been reversed Shang could have done it alone. All he needed was the amulet and the spell Quan learned from the Ruin Stone. He would have transferred the souls on his own. Quan needed assistance cuz he's trash

Quan won a tainted fight. Foreman looked superior against Fraiser then Ali did. Means nothing chica. Better luck next time Zombies aren't intelligent and are slower than they were. No, my argument is based on evidence yours consists of excuses.

Wrong, if that were true Kang wouldn't have stopped his ass. Kang wasn't beaten hence Tsungs close but not close enough scared look on his face.

Speculation. Quan won the amulet and Shang clearly couldn't beat Raiden or Liu Kang on his own you jackass.

Quan had the plan and helped Shangs loser begging ass. Quan usurped a god while Shang lives under Shao Kahns footstool.


Both were damaged yet Quan destroyed him. Quit crying over the result you fanboy. Canon.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Zombies aren't intelligent and are slower than they were. No, my argument is based on evidence yours consists of excuses.

Wrong, if that were true Kang wouldn't have stopped his ass. Kang wasn't beaten hence Tsungs close but not close enough scared look on his face.

Speculation. Quan won the amulet and Shang clearly couldn't beat Raiden or Liu Kang on his own you jackass.

Quan had the plan and helped Shangs loser begging ass. Quan usurped a god while Shang lives under Shao Kahns footstool.


Both were damaged yet Quan destroyed him. Quit crying over the result you fanboy. Canon.

Except his body and soul were reunited so he was intelligent. Please keep up.

Kang was tooled and came back later. Shang stomped his ass. Face it

Quan won nothing. He had it stolen for him since apparently he can do nothing himself. So emotional.... It's quite sad lady.

Quan usurped no one. He serves like a good little lad. He served Shinnok and he serves Khan. He jumps from one master to another like a lost little lamb laughing out loud

So you admit it was tainted? Concession accepted girly man. Canon

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Except his body and soul were reunited so he was intelligent. Please keep up.

Kang was tooled and came back later. Shang stomped his ass. Face it

Quan won nothing. He had it stolen for him since apparently he can do nothing himself. So emotional.... It's quite sad lady.

Quan usurped no one. He serves like a good little lad. He served Shinnok and he serves Khan. He jumps from one master to another like a lost little lamb laughing out loud

So you admit it was tainted? Concession accepted girly man. Canon Wrong. We see he's clearly not as formidable since he beat Shangs ass prior to multiple times.

Kang was knocked down and came back to deny Tsung. Pretty much a fact Liu>>Tsung.


He won the amulet and took it from Shinnok.

Quan won the deadly alliance. He manipulates all unlike Shang. Quan is the greatest sorcerer in Mk ala John Vogel.

No, it was fair as both took damage. Quan looked both superior against Shang and Raiden. Makes sense, fanboy.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. We see he's clearly not as formidable since he beat Shangs ass prior to multiple times.

Kang was knocked down and came back to deny Tsung. Pretty much a fact Liu>>Tsung.


He won the amulet and took it from Shinnok.

Quan won the deadly alliance. He manipulates all unlike Shang. Quan is the greatest sorcerer in Mk ala John Vogel.

No, it was fair as both took damage. Quan looked both superior against Shang and Raiden. Makes sense, fanboy.

Context is important here. I know it's never important to you but it does matter

Except when he wasn't

Do you know the character history at all? Shinnok never had the real amulet. Geez man

Greatest sorcerer did not net him a win against Kang. Again your "logic" is trash

Not equal damage. Makes sense to you. Just cuz you seem to be smitten with all pasty pale bald bad guys doesn't mean they always win. Cry harder

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Context is important here. I know it's never important to you but it does matter

Except when he wasn't

Do you know the character history at all? Shinnok never had the real amulet. Geez man

Greatest sorcerer did not net him a win against Kang. Again your "logic" is trash

Not equal damage. Makes sense to you. Just cuz you seem to be smitten with all pasty pale bald bad guys doesn't mean they always win. Cry harder Context is what proves me right.

Liu Kang has owned him. He's never defeated Kang straight up otherwise.

Quan assisted Shang in doing so. He turned the tide. Yes, he fooled a god and stole the real amulet from him.

Quan won against Shang.


laughing out loud

Prove Shang was more damaged. Just because he falls easily doesn't mean he's near death, kiddo.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Context is what proves me right.

Liu Kang has owned him. He's never defeated Kang straight up otherwise.

Quan assisted Shang in doing so. He turned the tide. Yes, he fooled a god and stole the real amulet from him.

Quan won against Shang.


laughing out loud

Prove Shang was more damaged. Just because he falls easily doesn't mean he's near death, kiddo.

In your warped mind maybe

Until Armageddon

No dummy Sub Zero stole the Amulet and gave it to Quan. The failure fails again

Context

Video proves it. Until you actually watch you'll never know

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
In your warped mind maybe

Until Armageddon

No dummy Sub Zero stole the Amulet and gave it to Quan. The failure fails again

Context

Video proves it. Until you actually watch you'll never know It's common sense.

Shang still was denied by Liu Kang.

Yes, Quan Chi manipulated Sub Zero and stole the amulet from Shinnok.

You clearly do not know what the word means.

Video proves I am right. Quan crushed Shang Tsung. Canon.

ArtificialGlory
Shang Tsung has actually won a fight against Liu Kang before Armageddon. Well, sort of.

quanchi112
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Shang Tsung has actually won a fight against Liu Kang before Armageddon. Well, sort of. What do you mean ?

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's common sense.

Shang still was denied by Liu Kang.

Yes, Quan Chi manipulated Sub Zero and stole the amulet from Shinnok.

You clearly do not know what the word means.

Video proves I am right. Quan crushed Shang Tsung. Canon.

You mean "quanman" sense.

After owning him yes.

Wrong again

You clearly don't know what anything means. I pity you

Quan won a tainted fight. Canon

juggerman
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Shang Tsung has actually won a fight against Liu Kang before Armageddon. Well, sort of.

If you are talking about MK-DA opening then yes he won but Quan Chi helped

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
You mean "quanman" sense.

After owning him yes.

Wrong again

You clearly don't know what anything means. I pity you

Quan won a tainted fight. Canon No I mean common sense not juggsasense.

Wrong.

No, you're wrong.

Simple definitions send you for a loop.

No, they faced the same threat and then each other after they had time to recover. You are a hypocrite.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
No I mean common sense not juggsasense.

Wrong.

No, you're wrong.

Simple definitions send you for a loop.

No, they faced the same threat and then each other after they had time to recover. You are a hypocrite.

Quanman sense it is. Read up on the characters you debate so you don't look quite as foolish buddy

Right.

I is right.

If you say so Slappy

Wrong again

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Quanman sense it is. Read up on the characters you debate so you don't look quite as foolish buddy

Right.

I is right.

If you say so Slappy

Wrong again I have and also know Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer in Mk you didn't know it.

Wrong.

Nope.

I'm right.

You're wrong again. Canon defeat.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have and also know Quanchi is the greatest sorcerer in Mk you didn't know it.

You didn't even know Quan gave Shinnok a fake Amulet. You are lost sir. Here's the proof:

Originally posted by quanchi112
He won the amulet and took it from Shinnok.


Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong.

Nope.

I'm right.

You're wrong again. Canon defeat.


Right.

Yep.

You're wrong

I'm right. Canon tainted fight win for Quan

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by juggerman
If you are talking about MK-DA opening then yes he won but Quan Chi helped

Ehh, no, not that. I remember seeing this video on YouTube a while ago where Liu Kang and Shang Tsung(as an old fart) fight. Shang Tsung launches a fireball at Kang, but Kang dodges, then Tsung morphs into Kano and uses that cannonball move on Kang, then morphs back, jumps on Kang's chest and begins sucking out his soul. He failed to kill Kang only because Kung Lao intervened and kicked Tsung in the back. Later in the vid they fight again, but this time Kang wins, but it wasn't one-sided.

I guess what I'm saying is that Shang Tsung can beat Liu Kang. It's just that Kang usually wins.

juggerman
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Ehh, no, not that. I remember seeing this video on YouTube a while ago where Liu Kang and Shang Tsung(as an old fart) fight. Shang Tsung launches a fireball at Kang, but Kang dodges, then Tsung morphs into Kano and uses that cannonball move on Kang, then morphs back, jumps on Kang's chest and begins sucking out his soul. He failed to kill Kang only because Kung Lao intervened and kicked Tsung in the back. Later in the vid they fight again, but this time Kang wins, but it wasn't one-sided.

I guess what I'm saying is that Shang Tsung can beat Liu Kang. It's just that Kang usually wins.

That was from a non canon game so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't count here. Tho it does show that the creators of MK believe Kang and Tsung are not too far apart in skill

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
You didn't even know Quan gave Shinnok a fake Amulet. You are lost sir. Here's the proof:







Right.

Yep.

You're wrong

I'm right. Canon tainted fight win for Quan He did win it by stealing it from a god. He's that good.

You're wrong.

Quan won a fight shows he's more formidable and a game programmer admitted he's the greatest sorcerer. Accept it.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
He did win it by stealing it from a god. He's that good.

You're wrong.

Quan won a fight shows he's more formidable and a game programmer admitted he's the greatest sorcerer. Accept it.

He didn't. Sub Zero stole it and it wasn't even from Shinnok that it was stolen.

I'm right and you are losing it as a result

"Greatest sorcerer" doesn't mean "will win fights" tard. He has stronger magic than Liu Kang yet still got his shit pushed in. Accept that you've lost

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
He didn't. Sub Zero stole it and it wasn't even from Shinnok that it was stolen.

I'm right and you are losing it as a result

"Greatest sorcerer" doesn't mean "will win fights" tard. He has stronger magic than Liu Kang yet still got his shit pushed in. Accept that you've lost He stole it from Shinnok since he gave him a fake. Think.

Wrong.

We see him win a fight so that proves he's more formidable. Also a better sorcerer. Awesome.

Quan crushed Shang. He reveled in his conquest. Canon. laughing out loud

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
He stole it from Shinnok since he gave him a fake. Think.

Wrong.

We see him win a fight so that proves he's more formidable. Also a better sorcerer. Awesome.

Quan crushed Shang. He reveled in his conquest. Canon. laughing out loud

You're an idiot. The amulet was taking from Shinnok by the Elder Gods after they defeated him. He tasked Quan Chi with getting it back and Quan Chi hired Sub Zero. Once the Amulet was in Quan's hands he made a fake one and gave that to Shinnok keeping the original for himself. So now that it's been established that you're a liar and have no clue what you're talking about let's move on. Here's your "dunce" cap, there's your corner, cry.

Right

Proves he won a tainted fight

He won a tainted fight. Canon

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
You're an idiot. The amulet was taking from Shinnok by the Elder Gods after they defeated him. He tasked Quan Chi with getting it back and Quan Chi hired Sub Zero. Once the Amulet was in Quan's hands he made a fake one and gave that to Shinnok keeping the original for himself. So now that it's been established that you're a liar and have no clue what you're talking about let's move on. Here's your "dunce" cap, there's your corner, cry.

Right

Proves he won a tainted fight

He won a tainted fight. Canon Bashing is a sign of weakness. So you agree Quan stole it from Shinnok. That's called stealing. Even a simple word such as stealing sends you for a loop.

Wrong.

No, the fight wasn't tainted but is canon. Your interpretation is your own but the victory which is canon was Quans. Cry.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bashing is a sign of weakness. So you agree Quan stole it from Shinnok. That's called stealing. Even a simple word such as stealing sends you for a loop.

Wrong.

No, the fight wasn't tainted but is canon. Your interpretation is your own but the victory which is canon was Quans. Cry.

Nope. Clearly you are a fool.

Right.

It was since it was not a fight at 100%. You lose again

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Nope. Clearly you are a fool.

Right.

It was since it was not a fight at 100%. You lose again Concession accepted.

Wrong.

Both were hurt and both recovered. No proof. He reveled in his conquest after he picked up weak Shang off his feet and owned him.

Canon.

laughing out loud

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

Wrong.

Both were hurt and both recovered. No proof. He reveled in his conquest after he picked up weak Shang off his feet and owned him.

Canon.

laughing out loud

Yes your concession was indeed accepted. Glad you see this

Yes you are indeed wrong

He won a tainted fight. The sooner you accept this the better off you'll be

Canon that Quan was getting owned by Jax too. He's not as great as you seem to believe boy

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Yes your concession was indeed accepted. Glad you see this

Yes you are indeed wrong

He won a tainted fight. The sooner you accept this the better off you'll be

Canon that Quan was getting owned by Jax too. He's not as great as you seem to believe boy I have contested every flawed interpretation you have brought to the table.

Wrong.

You can't prove it and they both recovered. Narration makes it clear Quan won. Don't make excuses you sore loser.

Being hurt isn't being owned. Shao Kahn owned Jax though. Another word you don't know the meaning of.

Greater than Sang Tsung in combat prowess and sorcerery.

laughing out loud

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have contested every flawed interpretation you have brought to the table.

Wrong.

You can't prove it and they both recovered. Narration makes it clear Quan won. Don't make excuses you sore loser.

Being hurt isn't being owned. Shao Kahn owned Jax though. Another word you don't know the meaning of.

Greater than Sang Tsung in combat prowess and sorcerery.

laughing out loud

You have been bested at every turn.

Right.

The video proves it. Cry harder

Shao Kahn was needed to save Quan Chi. Quan was being owned and then got saved. Weak

Wrong

You've failed yet again

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
You have been bested at every turn.

Right.

The video proves it. Cry harder

Shao Kahn was needed to save Quan Chi. Quan was being owned and then got saved. Weak

Wrong

You've failed yet again You have no logic only delusion.

Video proves I am 100 percent correct.

Speculation. Shang Tsung hurt Quan Chi yet Quan won. Your logic is butt.

Right.

Canon and reveled in his conquest. Quan looks at Shang like a weakling that he is in comparison.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
You have no logic only delusion.

Video proves I am 100 percent correct.

Speculation. Shang Tsung hurt Quan Chi yet Quan won. Your logic is butt.

Right.

Canon and reveled in his conquest. Quan looks at Shang like a weakling that he is in comparison.

Concession accepted.

It proves you wrong. You're just too cowardly to admit your mistake

Shang Tsung was hurt before the fight even started.

You are always wrong

Quan got lucky Shang took more of a beating. That is all. Let go of your tainted fight already

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
Concession accepted.

It proves you wrong. You're just too cowardly to admit your mistake

Shang Tsung was hurt before the fight even started.

You are always wrong

Quan got lucky Shang took more of a beating. That is all. Let go of your tainted fight already I didn't concede. Oh right tricky words.

No, I am not wrong that's your line of work.

So was Quan Chi. I bet when your sports team loses you blame the refs. Quan crushed him. Reveled in his conquest.

Always right, boy.

Shangs easy to knock around and manhandle as Quan also demonstrated.

Quan owned him in a canon fight, boy.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't concede. Oh right tricky words.

No, I am not wrong that's your line of work.

So was Quan Chi. I bet when your sports team loses you blame the refs. Quan crushed him. Reveled in his conquest.

Always right, boy.

Shangs easy to knock around and manhandle as Quan also demonstrated.

Quan owned him in a canon fight, boy.

You did. I accept. Move on.

You are and have been for a long time now

Not as much. Again the video proves you wrong boyo

Wrong as usual

An injured Shang should be

A canon tainted fight. You've lost

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
You did. I accept. Move on.

You are and have been for a long time now

Not as much. Again the video proves you wrong boyo

Wrong as usual

An injured Shang should be

A canon tainted fight. You've lost Youre wrong.
Video proves me right.
You're always wrong.

Quan was injured as well. He attacked first so you're saying he's stupid. Hahahaah.

Nope a fair fight in which both were injured and both had recovered. Quan reveled in his conquest. I love when blood squirts out. Weak little submissive freak that Shang.

Zack Fair
Quanchi > Tsung.

Its been like that since MK4. Hasn't changed.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Quanchi > Tsung.

Its been like that since MK4. Hasn't changed. Juggerman doesn't grasp the obvious.

juggerman
Originally posted by quanchi112
Youre wrong.
Video proves me right.
You're always wrong.

Quan was injured as well. He attacked first so you're saying he's stupid. Hahahaah.

Nope a fair fight in which both were injured and both had recovered. Quan reveled in his conquest. I love when blood squirts out. Weak little submissive freak that Shang.

I'm not. Video proves you wrong troll.

Not injured as much as we clearly see.

Tainted, not 100% fight. He won yes, as I've already said. Quan was lucky.

juggerman
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Quanchi > Tsung.

Its been like that since MK4. Hasn't changed.

Not when it comes to actual fighting ability. Shang has been shown to be greater with defeating Liu Kang, easily sending Kahn away with a kick, one shoting the fighter that had all the other fighter's skills, ect.

He has even shown greater in battle magic than Quan has with his fire snake that put Raiden down.

Quan also NEEDED Shang Tsung as he could not resurrect the army himself. He defeated a weakened Tsung. Not very impressive

quanchi112
Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not. Video proves you wrong troll.

Not injured as much as we clearly see.

Tainted, not 100% fight. He won yes, as I've already said. Quan was lucky. you're wrong.

You are speculating and acting like your opinion is factual. It's wrong and biased.

Quan destroyed him. He beat him and reveled in his conquest. Canon unlike your shitty opinion.

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