Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

How close are we too it where you can plug in and simply have a whole other imagined life and do whatever you want in?

People spend most of their lives infront of a computer now it seems like, I would rather be plugged in and it be in my brain and living in a dream then sitting infront of a computer screen.

Is this possible?

this was a big thing and in movies in the 90's and prior, it has kind of disappeared recently though, maybe its just me.

Lawnmower man and Virtuosity covered this topic I think.

Yea the last one I saw was Inception. But obvious ones are the Matrix, Total Recall and stuff..I just wish it was possible, maybe it exists and we don't know about it.

Originally posted by Supra
Is this possible?
With modern technology, no, we're not even close.

maybe with the a hybrid technology used in the WII and Microsoft Kinect mixed with the motion capture technology used in CGI movies?

https://www.dealspwn.com/writer/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/move-kinect-venn-diagram-actual.jpg

http://www.artisticwhim.com/blog/media/polar-mocap.jpg

Originally posted by Astner
With modern technology, no, we're not even close.

Why don't you research before posting these things.

I am very disappointing with the rate this thread is going.

SUPRA

Google "mind-uploading".

Supra, I did not have to do a lot of research, and I have few articles for you.

Pre-VR stuffs.

VpNtCsQDrjo

Digital Resurrection: The Facts

While none of this is directly tied to VR, if you do some deep research online, you will find such a cornucopia of information on the matter and what scientists are doing atm, that you will never come back here.

cool

Ultimately, this is how The Matrix will go down.

Virtual Reality as powerful as that in the Matrix, accept with no agents or conspiracy.

THAT SITE IS HIGHLY SPECULATIVE AND THERE'S NO REASON TO ASSUME IT'S CLAIMS ARE ANYTHING MORE THAN SPECULATION.

Human V. 2.0 and a Plausible Methodology for the Transference of Consciousness into Silicon Substrates.

Design your reality from the base up after replacing your entire body with mechanical cells. You become a cybernetic organism in totality, thousands of times better and with billions of more sensations, capabilities, the ability to make yourself into a chameleon. This is outside of VR, which gives your even more options than being a full blown cyborg that could be made to look and literally be exactly like Brad Pitt or Olivia Wilde.

ALL OF THIS IS SPECULATION.

Originally posted by Dolos
Human V. 2.0 and a Plausible Methodology for the Transference of Consciousness into Silicon Substrates.

In my experience these types of things are why scientists dislike engineers. I'm always surprised by attempts to peg specific dates. Apparently by the 2020s we'll know exactly what chemical and in what the ideal levels are for each individual person and have a near perfect delivery system for each. I mean sure its knowable and could be beneficial it that requires such an integration of information that the 2020s seems like a really close date.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
In my experience these types of things are why scientists dislike engineers. I'm always surprised by attempts to peg specific dates. Apparently by the 2020s we'll know exactly what chemical and in what the ideal levels are for each individual person and have a near perfect delivery system for each. I mean sure its knowable and could be beneficial it that requires such an integration of information that the 2020s seems like a really close date.

You can't hate them for being speculative. You can laugh them out of the scientific community for discarding scientific rigor and predicting dates as fact, but they aren't really doing that.

Originally posted by Dolos
You can't hate them for being speculative. You can laugh them out of the scientific community for discarding scientific rigor and predicting dates as fact, but they aren't really doing that.

Its more a matter of ways of approaching a problem. The engineers go "Lets solve this." while the scientists go "Lets understand this." (these are both effectively strawmen, just for purposes of illustration).

Engineers tend to write off all of the actual scientific work involved as simple and end up with very short time tables and make ridiculous claims as a result. They're also more likely to grab data from relevant disciplines without being aware of controversies around it (his claims about mortality in the past, for example) or with willingness to write off all limitations of existing technology as something that can be quickly solved.

Do you remember stents in the 1990s? Stents were going to solve everything in surgery. Surgeons starting using stents all over the place. It turned out to be a mistake. They rushed in without a complete understanding and used stents when doing so was actually harmful.

http://www.healthbeatblog.com/2010/12/stent-scandal-a-shocking-story-but-not-news/

No one involved in this was stupid and they surgeons and medical companies had valid scientific work to back what they said. The thing is it's never what you know that trips you up, it's what you don't know. Surgeons made a tiny leap in logic ("we can do X thus we can do Y, because they're very similar) and it cost people their lives.

This kind of thing, what the article calls "gizmo idolarty" is why people are so often cynical about singularity and transcendence claims.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Its more a matter of ways of approaching a problem. The engineers go "Lets solve this." while the scientists go "Lets understand this." (these are both effectively strawmen, just for purposes of illustration).

Engineers tend to write off all of the actual scientific work involved as simple and end up with very short time tables and make ridiculous claims as a result. They're also more likely to grab data from relevant disciplines without being aware of controversies around it (his claims about mortality in the past, for example) or with willingness to write off all limitations of existing technology as something that can be quickly solved.

Do you remember stents in the 1990s? Stents were going to solve everything in surgery. Surgeons starting using stents all over the place. It turned out to be a mistake. They rushed in without a complete understanding and used stents when doing so was actually harmful.

http://www.healthbeatblog.com/2010/12/stent-scandal-a-shocking-story-but-not-news/

No one involved in this was stupid and they surgeons and medical companies had valid scientific work to back what they said. The thing is it's never what you know that trips you up, it's what you don't know. Surgeons made a tiny leap in logic ("we can do X thus we can do Y, because they're very similar) and it cost people their lives.

This kind of thing, what the article calls "gizmo idolarty" is why people are so often cynical about singularity and transcendence claims.

This is very very much an understandable point of view for me. Personally, I wouldn't make any leaps of faith, I wouldn't attempt a thing, even if tested and empirically deemed practical, until every possible outcome has been understood.

ESPECIALLY when tampering with human life on a scale of conscious transference, we have an eternity ahead of us, and rushing such things could end miserably for Mr. Kurzweil...and in my opinion, he has expressed hastiness, and mortal fears, even going as far as to say, "If I don't find a solution by then (getting really old), I'll have to figure something out quickly." in the Transcendent Man documentary.

Originally posted by Dolos
Supra, I did not have to do a lot of research, and I have few articles for you.

Pre-VR stuffs.

VpNtCsQDrjo

Digital Resurrection: The Facts

While none of this is directly tied to VR, if you do some deep research online, you will find such a cornucopia of information on the matter and what scientists are doing atm, that you will never come back here.

Sweet man! Thank you!

Originally posted by Supra
Sweet man! Thank you!

There's so much information out there. Books, documentaries, find it all on the interconnecting global web.

Don't, however, be fooled by nonsense. Be scientifically literate like me before beginning your online pursuit of knowledge, some people will say it's possible to levitate if you think hard enough. Haha, not that you'd fall for info like that, but you'd be surprised how much is complete bs that even well-educated people would find realistic or plausible. Always double check something, in the main search options, see how much is credible. Wikipedia does have some false info out of the billions of articles it perpetually generates, however I would consider it a great source of accurate information regardless. You need to be wise to judge information, and more importantly, you need to be skeptical. Even engineers and scientists are wrong, as Symmetric Chaos has just pointed out.

Originally posted by Dolos
There's so much information out there. Books, documentaries, find it all on the interconnecting global web.

Don't, however, be fooled by nonsense. Be scientifically literate like me before beginning your online pursuit of knowledge, some people will say it's possible to levitate if you think hard enough. Haha, not that you'd fall for info like that, but you'd be surprised how much is complete bs that even well-educated people would find realistic or plausible. Always double check something, in the main search options, see how much is credible. Wikipedia does have some false info out of the billions of articles it perpetually generates, however I would consider it a great source of accurate information regardless. You need to be wise to judge information, and more importantly, you need to be skeptical. Even engineers and scientists are wrong, as Symmetric Chaos has just pointed out.

Dude, you are the worlds smartest man! +1 rep

Originally posted by Dolos
Why don't you research before posting these things.
What are you talking about?

There's a difference in actually mapping a person's nerves and senses to a computer and blast their heads with ultrasonic sound to condition a certain mood. In fact it's not even a relevant comparison.

The closest thing we have to direct nerve interference are retinal implants. But even those 60 electrode chips are crude devices compared to what would be required to plug a person's senses into a virtual world.

First you must believe reality is real!

Originally posted by Supra
How close are we too it where you can plug in and simply have a whole other imagined life and do whatever you want in?

People spend most of their lives infront of a computer now it seems like, I would rather be plugged in and it be in my brain and living in a dream then sitting infront of a computer screen.

Is this possible?

This is the closest I know of atm :0
http://www.oculusvr.com/

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oculus_Rift

sounds cool

news break we're already living in virtual reality. take a bus somewhere or walk down a city street, everyone is hooked up and jacked into something and if they're not, they're usually scampering to get to a screen.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
news break we're already living in virtual reality. take a bus somewhere or walk down a city street, everyone is hooked up and jacked into something and if they're not, they're usually scampering to get to a screen.

Damn ain't that the truth..stuck in front of one right now too

i don't know a life without screens, but the stories i hear are scary.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
news break we're already living in virtual reality. take a bus somewhere or walk down a city street, everyone is hooked up and jacked into something and if they're not, they're usually scampering to get to a screen.

Word.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
news break we're already living in virtual reality. take a bus somewhere or walk down a city street, everyone is hooked up and jacked into something and if they're not, they're usually scampering to get to a screen.
Current communications technology is closer to paper and ink books than it is to hypothetical total-immersion VR technology.

Regardless I think this information technology has had changed human behavior, quite radically I might add, on a global scale.

I've heard the reference of kids being born with Ipads growing out their ears. There is an inner human sense of what's going on, that's how deep it is.

Remember, it may be closer to pen and paper, but look up the definition of exponential...

The switch is a lot closer than you could believe.

Originally posted by Dolos
Regardless I think this information technology has had an incredible change in human behavior on a global scale.

Remember, it may be closer to pen and paper, but look up the definition of exponential...

The switch is a lot closer than you could believe.
I think on a person to person basis it's overstated.

The big change has been a macro change--having people tweet about everything they see has shrunk the world, but I don't think people themselves have fundamentally changed, which is what you want to see happen.

I wonder, when the telegraph was invented were there proto-Doloses in top hats and sporting waxed mustaches proclaiming the impending singularity?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wonder, when the telegraph was invented were there proto-Doloses in top hats and sporting waxed mustaches proclaiming the impending singularity?

My name is Joseph, meaning "Prophet".

In all honesty, it's all another way to express the sense of change and evolution in a progressive manner. It doesn't begin or end with a human-robotic singularity. It is merely a paradigm shift of epic proportions, imo.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wonder, when the telegraph was invented were there proto-Doloses in top hats and sporting waxed mustaches proclaiming the impending singularity?

Yes.

1858 the Times of London: "Tomorrow the hearts of the civilized world will beat in a single pulse, and from that time forth forevermore the continental divisions of the earth will, in a measure, lose those conditions of time and distance which now mark their relations."

Around the same time there were also people making prophecies similar to a pseudo-Hegelian social/moral singularity.

Originally posted by Dolos
My name is Joseph, meaning "Prophet". Source?

Every name dictionary I've looked at says "Joseph" means something along the lines of adding or increasing. Eg...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/joseph
http://www.behindthename.com/name/joseph
http://www.babynames.com/name/Joseph

One exception (likely the true meaning):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=joseph

I know about "Joseph."

Originally posted by Mindship
Source?

Every name dictionary I've looked at says "Joseph" means something along the lines of adding or increasing. Eg...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/joseph
http://www.behindthename.com/name/joseph
http://www.babynames.com/name/Joseph

One exception (likely the true meaning):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=joseph

I know about "Joseph."

Well, I used the example of the Islamic figure, the Prophet, because it fit my angle.

Dolos is a deceptive spirit, .

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Current communications technology is closer to paper and ink books than it is to hypothetical total-immersion VR technology.

Maybe you missed my point. I was implying that something like "total VR" immersion would be a detrimental thing.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Maybe you missed my point. I was implying that something like "total VR" immersion would be a detrimental thing.
No arguments there.

Lucid dreaming is kind of similar to virtual reality. It can be indistinguishable from reality, and you can do whatever you feel like doing.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Maybe you missed my point. I was implying that something like "total VR" immersion would be a detrimental thing.

I have my own reasons for believing the contrary, but I won't get into that at this moment.