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Pre New DC Captain Marvel


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1. Who is more durable?
2. Who is faster? Reflexes and travel speed.
3. Who is physically stronger?
4. Who has the better will power?
5. Who is smarter?
6. Who is a better fighter/Warrior?
7. Who has more energy output?
8. Who is more versatile?
9. who has a better chance at beating Superman

1. Who is more durable? - Split I guess.
2. Who is faster? Reflexes and travel speed. -- Billy has better reflexes, Bill can fly faster.
3. Who is physically stronger? Split or edge to Billy.
4. Who has the better will power? - Split, not enough evidence to give either the edge that I can think of at the moment.
5. Who is smarter? - Billy is wiser, Bill is smarter.
6. Who is a better fighter/Warrior? - Bill.
7. Who has more energy output? Split or Bill. Some kind of big ass Shazam Bolt might top Bill though.
8. Who is more versatile? - Bill.
9. who has a better chance at beating Superman - I don't think either is beating Superman by straight up punching. Magic, battle field removal, lightning bolts etc. are their best bets. But Billy has beaten Superman in the past so I guess he takes it by default?

1.) Split, edge to stamina/damage soak to Billy, I'd wager.
2.) Billy
3.) Billy
4.) Billy
5.) Bill
6.) Bill
7.) Bill
8.) Bill
9.) Well Billy already has beaten him, so naturally he has the edge.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

9. who has a better chance at beating Superman - I don't think either is beating Superman by straight up punching. Magic, battle field removal, lightning bolts etc. are their best bets. But Billy has beaten Superman in the past so I guess he takes it by default? I was thinking of a treet brawl type of fight. but in character(CIS)

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
1.) Split, edge to stamina/damage soak to Billy, I'd wager.
2.) Billy
3.) Billy
4.) Billy
5.) Bill
6.) Bill
7.) Bill
8.) Bill
9.) Well Billy already has beaten him, so naturally he has the edge.

I'm curious, why do you think Billy has faster travel speed? I assume flight was included and not running speed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm curious, why do you think Billy has faster travel speed? I assume flight was included and not running speed.

He's kept pace with Wally, who's even complimented his speed. Obviously, Wally could smoke him in a race if inclined, but he was seriously impressed with the Speed of Mercury if memory serves. I also think Billy can go from "0 to 60" faster than Bill can if that makes sense.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I also think Billy can go from "0 to 60" faster than Bill can if that makes sense. No

Originally posted by googol
No

"No", what?

"No, it doesn't make sense"?

or

"No, he can't accelerate faster than Bill can?"

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's kept pace with Wally, who's even complimented his speed. Obviously, Wally could smoke him in a race if inclined, but he was seriously impressed with the Speed of Mercury if memory serves. I also think Billy can go from "0 to 60" faster than Bill can if that makes sense.

But they weren't even going anywhere near light speed if you're referring to the scene I'm thinking of. As a matter of fact, I'm having trouble of coming up with a scene where Billy hits faster than light speeds at all. Bill on the other hand can and has gone many times faster than light.

Pretty sure Bill has gone from zero to other end of the Galaxy speed in moments. I get what you're saying, but not sure it's true.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But they weren't even going anywhere near light speed if you're referring to the scene I'm thinking of. As a matter of fact, I'm having trouble of coming up with a scene where Billy hits faster than light speeds at all. Bill on the other hand can and has gone many times faster than light.

Pretty sure Bill has gone from zero to other end of the Galaxy speed in moments. I get what you're saying, but not sure it's true.

As far as clearly quantifiable speeds go, I'm willing to bet that Captain Marvel doesn't have hardly any lightspeed. But given how's he's paired up against or alongside Superman and treated as a peer or all around equal, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. And there's been moments where Cap's flown through out the galaxy as well, suggesting at least lightspeed travel.

In any case, I don't think Billy is grossly faster than Bill when it comes to travel speed.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
As far as clearly quantifiable speeds go, I'm willing to bet that Captain Marvel doesn't have hardly any lightspeed. But given how's he's paired up against or alongside Superman and treated as a peer or all around equal, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. And there's been moments where Cap's flown through out the galaxy as well, suggesting at least lightspeed travel.

In any case, I don't think Billy is grossly faster than Bill when it comes to travel speed.

In that case, Bill has kept up with likes of Thor, Surfer, Quasar, Skuttlebutt and other space fairing characters who routinely go many times the speed of light. And I'm not referring to traveling to another continent with the JLA, but traversing expanses of the Universe without missing a beat.

Scan of that? And IIRC, Bill has traversed a Galaxy in moments.

I never said Bill is much faster than Billy, but he as far as I've seen, he can fly noticeably faster. You however gave Billy the edge, and I honestly have no idea why.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"No", what?

"No, it doesn't make sense"?

or

"No, he can't accelerate faster than Bill can?" both

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In that case, Bill has kept up with likes of Thor, Surfer, Quasar, Skuttlebutt and other space fairing characters who routinely go many times the speed of light. And I'm not referring to traveling to another continent with the JLA, but traversing expanses of the Universe without missing a beat.

Scan of that? And IIRC, Bill has traversed a Galaxy in moments.

I never said Bill is much faster than Billy, but he as far as I've seen, he can fly noticeably faster. You however gave Billy the edge, and I honestly have no idea why.

Billy's done the same with the likes of Superman, GLs, etc. I just think the fact that Billy possesses superspeed all around gives him a slight edge over Bill, who has to mentally will Stormbreaker to take him to whichever direction he wants to go and how fast. Billy on the other hand, can think at those speeds. The difference between them is probably seconds if even that, but I feel that Cap would edge him out nonetheless.

Iirc, it should be in a JLA or a JSA issue of some kind.

Originally posted by googol
both

Okay.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Billy's done the same with the likes of Superman, GLs, etc. I just think the fact that Billy possesses superspeed all around gives him a slight edge over Bill, who has to mentally will Stormbreaker to take him to whichever direction he wants to go and how fast. Billy on the other hand, can think at those speeds. The difference between them is probably seconds if even that, but I feel that Cap would edge him out nonetheless.

Iirc, it should be in a JLA or a JSA issue of some kind.

When has he traversed any kind of large distance with them? Scans? I think he once flew to the moon but anything even on par with interplanetary distance is coming up as blank.

I said Billy had faster reflexes, we're debating travel speed here. Even if Billy could start faster, Bill would still catch up and beat him. And based on how Bill has handled himself in that blast battle with Surfer etc., quick reactions are well within his capabilities.

Based on what information are you assuming Billy can even go faster than light?

Any issue number of any kind?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Based on what information are you assuming Billy can even go faster than light?

Any issue number of any kind? he cant. remember how long it took Black Adam to travel across the universe? he(Billy) cant travel at FTL speeds

Originally posted by googol
he cant. remember how long it took Black Adam to travel across the universe? he(Billy) cant travel at FTL speeds

That was Pre-Crisis where Bladam was banished to one end of the universe because Shazam, the guy who gave him his powers, couldn't take them away. Post-Crisis, Black Adam was never banished to another star, but rather had his power sealed with a scarab.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
1.) Split, edge to stamina/damage soak to Billy, I'd wager.
2.) Billy
3.) Billy
4.) Billy
5.) Bill
6.) Bill
7.) Bill
8.) Bill
9.) Well Billy already has beaten him, so naturally he has the edge.


Yep except for 1. I'd call it an even split.

BRB across the board

Not even.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
1.) Split, edge to stamina/damage soak to Billy, I'd wager.
2.) Billy
3.) Billy
4.) Billy
5.) Bill
6.) Bill
7.) Bill
8.) Bill
9.) Well Billy already has beaten him, so naturally he has the edge.

I pretty much agree with this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Who is more durable? - Split I guess.
2. Who is faster? Reflexes and travel speed. -- Billy has better reflexes, Bill can fly faster.
3. Who is physically stronger? Split or edge to Billy.
4. Who has the better will power? - Split, not enough evidence to give either the edge that I can think of at the moment.
5. Who is smarter? - Billy is wiser, Bill is smarter.
6. Who is a better fighter/Warrior? - Bill.
7. Who has more energy output? Split or Bill. Some kind of big ass Shazam Bolt might top Bill though.
8. Who is more versatile? - Bill.
9. who has a better chance at beating Superman - I don't think either is beating Superman by straight up punching. Magic, battle field removal, lightning bolts etc. are their best bets. But Billy has beaten Superman in the past so I guess he takes it by default?
Cap has never beaten superman in a fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When has he traversed any kind of large distance with them? Scans? I think he once flew to the moon but anything even on par with interplanetary distance is coming up as blank.

I said Billy had faster reflexes, we're debating travel speed here. Even if Billy could start faster, Bill would still catch up and beat him. And based on how Bill has handled himself in that blast battle with Surfer etc., quick reactions are well within his capabilities.

Based on what information are you assuming Billy can even go faster than light?

Any issue number of any kind?

Bill is faster in travel speed. In a POS issue cap had to take a boom tube to get to saturn and was stranded there when he lost the mother box IIRC.

I'm not trying to lowball Billy or anything but I honestly don't think there's any evidence supporting the Marvel's having interplanetary flight capabilities. At least as far as I know. Neither does Wonder Woman, although she probably would take some time just to travel between Moon/Earth distance based on what I remember (Having to be shuttled to Earth when teleporters broke while Superman flew to Earth in a panel and shit like that).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap has never beaten superman in a fight.

Bro, bro, bro. No one cares. Billy's knocked Superman out, that's enough.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not trying to lowball Billy or anything but I honestly don't think there's any evidence supporting the Marvel's having interplanetary flight capabilities. At least as far as I know. Neither does Wonder Woman, although she probably would take some time just to travel between Moon/Earth distance based on what I remember (Having to be shuttled to Earth when teleporters broke while Superman flew to Earth in a panel and shit like that).



Bro, bro, bro. No one cares. Billy's knocked Superman out, that's enough.
Sure. Superman has done it too. Also a mindcontrolled savage hulk has oneshotted thor many times now. Who cares about context, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure. Superman has done it too. Also a mindcontrolled savage hulk has oneshotted thor many times now. Who cares about context, right?

It must hurt to care so much. I feel for you man.

Also, many times? Avenger's Assemble is one, what are the others? Am I missing some low showings?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It must hurt to care so much. I feel for you man.

Also, many times? Avenger's Assemble is one, what are the others? Am I missing some low showings?
Hurt? Care too much? Lulz @coming this from you. Looks like you forgot about Avengers by Hickman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Looks like you forgot about Avengers by Hickman.

What?

The only instances I can remember within recent-ish times directly showcasing Hulk having an edge or superiority over Thor are Let the Battle Begin, Avengers Assemble, and Avengers under Hickman. Unless I'm missing a shit load else of stuff. Two of those involved a mind controlled Hulk turning on an unsuspecting Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hurt? Care too much? Lulz @coming this from you. Looks like you forgot about Avengers by Hickman.

Why so serious?

You mean Hulk sucker punching Thor? I assumed they fought and knocked each other out off panel. Whatever, what are the others? You said multiple times.

Originally posted by curryman
What?
You forgot too?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You forgot too?

Yeah, I did actually.

Does anyone have scans?

Hulk also got shown up by Hyperion, who historically - and even recently - looks pretty inferior to Thor, so I wouldn't brag too much about Hulk to begin with as far as Hickman's run goes.

In any case, it's cool that he seems to be pushing Hulk, Hyperion, and Thor as the big guns of the team.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why so serious?

You mean Hulk sucker punching Thor? I assumed they fought and knocked each other out off panel. Whatever, what are the others? You said multiple times.
Who's serious?

Hulk did oneshot thor, cap said it out loud that he was the only one standing. Weren't you the guy who said that cap koing superman is all that matters? Seems reasonable to use in this scenario too.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In any case, it's cool that he seems to be pushing Hulk, Hyperion, and Thor as the big guns of the team.

Shouldn't he?

And it's not like that's such a great thing for Thor considering that he should be above Hyperion and Hulk

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why so serious?

You mean Hulk sucker punching Thor? I assumed they fought and knocked each other out off panel. Whatever, what are the others? You said multiple times. you are OFF TOPIC. please keep any Thor vs Hulk bait out of here

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk also got shown up by Hyperion, who historically - and even recently - looks pretty inferior to Thor, so I wouldn't brag too much about Hulk to begin with as far as Hickman's run goes.

In any case, it's cool that he seems to be pushing Hulk, Hyperion, and Thor as the big guns of the team.
Hulk wasn't shown up by hyperion and this is a brand new hyperion.

Originally posted by curryman
Shouldn't he?

And it's not like that's such a great thing for Thor considering that he should be above Hyperion and Hulk

He still has the overall best feats out of all of them and has taken on the greatest and most dire threats out of all three of them.

Some people think Thor's been "nerfed" or somehow isn't as powerful as he "used to be". Which is nuts. Just look at his recent ongoings and his Thor-centric events as of late. The past handful of years have shown some absurd Thor feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk wasn't shown up by hyperion and this is a brand new hyperion.

He beat him back to Banner, bro.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who's serious?

Hulk did oneshot thor, cap said it out loud that he was the only one standing. Weren't you the guy who said that cap koing superman is all that matters? Seems reasonable to use in this scenario too.

So Hulk and Thor took each other out as according to Cap. Thanks for agreeing with me bro.

I don't even care about that anymore. You said multiple times, I was just curious as to whether I had missed something. Guess I haven't, carry on.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He beat him back to Banner, bro.
It was due to mental control breaking down.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So Hulk and Thor took each other out as according to Cap. Thanks for agreeing with me bro.

I don't even care about that anymore. You said multiple times, I was just curious as to whether I had missed something. Guess I haven't, carry on.
Nope. He said he was the only guy to stand for his team due to thor being out and hulk been controlled. The writer's intention was pretty clear there.