Hero Edition: How does Marvel's Top 10 Heralds stack up against DC's?

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Golgo13
DC's
1. Superman
2. Wally West/Barry
3. Mr. Majestic
4. Orion
5. Captain Marvel
6. Firestorm
7. Kyle Rayner/Hal
8. Weird
9. Dr. Fate
10. Sentinel

vs

Marvel's
1. Thor/BRB
2. Surfer
3. Dr. Strange
4. Quasar/Nova
5. Sentry
6. Hulk
7. Black Bolt
8. Gladiator
9. Genis
10. Sersi

1. Which team is more versatile?
2. Which team is faster?
3. Which team has better energy output?
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats?
5. Which team is smarter?
6. Which team has the better fighters?
7. Which team is stronger?

-Pr-
We have to use your choices?

Golgo13
You can use any, really. I just took from different lists from both threads. I think DC's is solid, but you can change it.

carver9
I knew this thread was coming.

Golgo13
Originally posted by carver9
I knew this thread was coming.

You know you want to chime in. big grin

TheHulk
Originally posted by carver9
I knew this thread was coming. thumb up

abhilegend
Pass.

Supermex
One team has The Silver Surfer and one team don't...

abhilegend
So the team having surfer loses.

-Pr-
Not gonna make individual lists; will just answer the questions:

1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel.
2. Which team is faster? DC.
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel.
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? DC.
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel.
6. Which team has the better fighters? DC.
7. Which team is stronger? DC.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not gonna make individual lists; will just answer the questions:

1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel.
2. Which team is faster? DC.
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel.
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? DC.
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel.
6. Which team has the better fighters? DC.
7. Which team is stronger? DC.

This.

Golgo13
I think the intelligence one is interesting. Marvel has Banner, but DC has Superman, Orion, Barry Allen, Majestic, and Firestorm as geniuses in their own right.

Mshinu
My lists were:

Lobo
Captain Atom
Superman
Black Adam
Captain Marvel
GL Hal
Sinestro
Orion
Cyborg Supes
Mr Majestic

Shaman Nate Grey
Thor
Silver Surfer
Doctor Strange
Beta Ray Bill
Magneto
Loki
Juggernaut
Quasar
Sersi

So...
1. Which team is more versatile? -Marvel
2. Which team is faster? -DC
3. Which team has better energy output? -Marvel
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? -Split
5. Which team is smarter? -Marvel
6. Which team has the better fighters? -DC
7. Which team is stronger? -DC

Sixth_Winged
I wont go into detail but, dc heralds are generally more potent combat-wise when stacked together due to having superior speed (with the exception of one shiny guy). Most of them would be team players too and have better degree of familiarity with each other so that.

curryman
Bro, you gave the DC team Sentinel.

Mindship
1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel.
2. Which team is faster? DC. Give the Flash his due.
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel.
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Not sure. We'd have to compare cosmic threats.
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel, maybe.
6. Which team has the better fighters? With WW: DC.
7. Which team is stronger? DC, maybe. But gotta give the Hulk's potential his due.

753
I'll answer based on your lists, though mine would be different.

1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel
2. Which team is faster? DC
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Split, this actually depends on quite a few of factors.
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel
6. Which team has the better fighters? DC
7. Which team is stronger? DC

the consensus, I suppose, is that DC's heralds are better brawlers thanks to the combo of speed, strengh and durabilty while marvel's are more versatile and better with energy.

yaadaveyaa
1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel
2. Which team is faster? DC
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? depends on the threat really doesnt it? that could go either way
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel
6. Which team has the better fighters? DC
7. Which team is stronger? Marvel

mighty adam
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not gonna make individual lists; will just answer the questions:

1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel.
2. Which team is faster? DC.
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel.
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? DC.
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel.
6. Which team has the better fighters? DC.
7. Which team is stronger? DC. agree

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not gonna make individual lists; will just answer the questions:

1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel.
2. Which team is faster? DC.
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel.
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? DC.
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel.
6. Which team has the better fighters? DC.
7. Which team is stronger? DC.
This except
DC is smarter
Marvel > DC cosmic threats
Even on better fighters.

Golgo13
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This except
DC is smarter
Marvel > DC cosmic threats
Even on better fighters.

Yeah, I don't see the intelligence. Who on Marvel is intelligent?

-Pr-
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This except
DC is smarter
Marvel > DC cosmic threats
Even on better fighters.

I don't agree.

yaadaveyaa
i looked back i think dc is actually smarter so i take that back off of mine

Golgo13
I think I need to clarify the smarter department. I was referring more the scientific ways like inventions and whatnot. Which DC seems to excel in.

-Pr-
Yes, but this is heralds. Most of DC's smartest characters aren't heralds.

Golgo13
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, but this is heralds. Most of DC's smartest characters aren't heralds.

You can still be a smart herald, which is why I asked which side is smarter? Both Orion and Majestic have some insane feats in that department.

753
Originally posted by Golgo13
I think I need to clarify the smarter department. I was referring more the scientific ways like inventions and whatnot. Which DC seems to excel in. you mean in general? over mavel? I beg to differ

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Golgo13
1. Which team is more versatile?
2. Which team is faster?
3. Which team has better energy output?
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats?
5. Which team is smarter?
6. Which team has the better fighters?
7. Which team is stronger?

1.) Marvel
2.) DC
3.) Marvel
4.) Split
5.) Probably a split
6.) Split
7.) DC

Golgo13
Originally posted by 753
you mean in general? over mavel? I beg to differ

Just the list of characters on it. I didn't say in general. Top 10, so you can pick any who you see is smarter, faster, stronger, etc...

JakeTheBank
Well, Marvel has Banner, who, especially now, is indisputably one of the smartest guys in the company. And iirc, Sentry was nearly as smart as Reed in terms of intelligence.

....phuck Sentry.

753
strange is no slouch himself

Golgo13
I'd also say versatility is a split. Both teams can manipulate time, energy, magic, etc...

Golgo13
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, Marvel has Banner, who, especially now, is indisputably one of the smartest guys in the company. And iirc, Sentry was nearly as smart as Reed in terms of intelligence.

What has Sentry done that puts him as nearly as smart? Orion created the Geneis Box, Superman with the Miracle Machine, Majestic is considered a genius as well, with inventions to boot.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Golgo13
What has Sentry done that puts him as nearly as smart? Orion created the Geneis Box, Superman with the Miracle Machine, Majestic is considered a genius as well, with inventions to boot.

I'd have to check it out more in depth, but Sentry, as part of his Gary Stu powerset, was also super intelligent, at least originally.

Golgo13
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd have to check it out more in depth, but Sentry, as part of his Gary Stu powerset, was also super intelligent, at least originally.

Apart of the original mini, right? He was said to a lot of things, but I don't remember any scientific feats on par with Banner, Orion, or even Barry Allen.

I think Barry created the Cosmic Treadmill.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Golgo13
You can still be a smart herald, which is why I asked which side is smarter? Both Orion and Majestic have some insane feats in that department.

I never said they had no smart heralds, just that marvel had more.

Golgo13
From the 2 lists, who is on par with DC's?

-Pr-
I wasn't using the lists, like I said.

Golgo13
Well, who would you put as intelligent as some of DC's top heralds? Any and all you can use.

-Pr-
Most of DC's smartest heralds are smart in terms of warfare or tactics, or they're just plain ordinary joes in extraordinary situations. Guys like Superman or Majestic are outliers.

Marvel has guys like Tony, Banner, Sentry, Doom etc.

JakeTheBank
I always felt that while DC Earth was overtly more powerful than Marvel Earth, Marvel Earth was overtly possessed of greater minds.

Golgo13
The whole Kryptonian family are uber smart as was seen Pre DCnU, because Kryptonians are generally a smart race. Lobo is a underappreciated genius as is Barry Allen and Martian Manhunter.

-Pr-
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I always felt that while DC Earth was overtly more powerful than Marvel Earth, Marvel Earth was overtly possessed of greater minds.

Fair assessment.

Marvel likes it's tech like DC likes it's magic.

Golgo13
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I always felt that while DC Earth was overtly more powerful than Marvel Earth, Marvel Earth was overtly possessed of greater minds.

Myth, IMO. Both universes/earths possess great minds. I know Marvel have the two top dogs in Reed and Doom, but DC, IMO has a deeper catalog of super geniuses. For example Beatbok's made a clear post on why someone like Pre-Crisis Ultra Humanite is DC's Doctor Doom more than Lex Luthor ever will and has feats to back it up.

-Pr-
Barry Allen? He's smart, sure, but he's no Pym or Banner.

Golgo13
Originally posted by -Pr-
Barry Allen? He's smart, sure, but he's no Pym or Banner.

I never said he was. I was just comparing him to the heralds in my top 10 lists.

Golgo13
BTW, since he's not been posting, here is Beatbok's post of Ultra

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by Golgo13
Myth, IMO. Both universes/earths possess great minds. I know Marvel have the two top dogs in Reed and Doom, but DC, IMO has a deeper catalog of super geniuses. For example Beatbok's made a clear post on why someone like Pre-Crisis Ultra Humanite is DC's Doctor Doom more than Lex Luthor ever will and has feats to back it up.

Not really a myth. They possess great minds on each Earth, true, but Marvel's geniuses, due to most of them being heroes, have the benefit of regular and consistent tech/science feats due to them appearing in their respective ongoing titles.

We're like two reboots, three if you count Infinite Crisis's subtle changes, since Pre-Crisis days. They hold even less weight now than they did ten years ago.

Golgo13
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not really a myth. They possess great minds on each Earth, true, but Marvel's geniuses, due to most of them being heroes, have the benefit of regular and consistent tech/science feats due to them appearing in their respective ongoing titles.

We're like two reboots, three if you count Infinite Crisis's subtle changes, since Pre-Crisis days. They hold even less weight now than they did ten years ago.

Some of Marvel's geniuses have more feats, but considering the high ends and averages, guys like the Chief (Who has been in multiple ongoings), Ray Palmer, Vril Dox, and even Will Magnus can even out most of Marvel's geniuses.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Golgo13
DC's
1. Superman
2. Wally West/Barry
3. Mr. Majestic
4. Orion
5. Captain Marvel
6. Firestorm
7. Kyle Rayner/Hal
8. Weird
9. Dr. Fate
10. Sentinel

vs

Marvel's
1. Thor/BRB
2. Surfer
3. Dr. Strange
4. Quasar/Nova
5. Sentry
6. Hulk
7. Black Bolt
8. Gladiator
9. Genis
10. Sersi
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't agree.
I'm only picking peeps from his list btw. Just noticed u made a general statement for heralds on both sides.

-Pr-
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm only picking peeps from his list btw. Just noticed u made a general statement for heralds on both sides.

cool.

Golgo13
BTW, here is a quick list of DC's geniuses. Many of them appearing in ongoings and frequent villains in the solo books.

Lex Luthor
Brainiac 5
Vril Dox
Dr. Sivana
TO Morrow
Professor IQ
Rip Hunter
Martin Stein
Ryan Choi
Ray Palmer
The Chief
Will Magnus
Toyman
Toyman 2
Emil
Steel
Cyborg
Hardware
Majestic
Adam Strange
Bruce Wayne
Mister Terrific
Professor Ivo
Calculator
Terry Sloan
Ted Kord

-Pr-
Looks like most of them.

Superman too.

Golgo13
I forgot Brainiac, gorilla grodd, prometheus, ultra humanite, and metron to my list. eek!

Golgo13
Originally posted by -Pr-
Looks like most of them.

Superman too.

Martian Manhunter has been shown a genius in Stormwatch, seeing as hes been teaching Jenny Quantum. The Engineer as well.

Jennifer613
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Horrificus
Using the characters offered:

1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel
2. Which team is faster? DC
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Marvel
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel
6. Which team has the better fighters? Draw
7. Which team is stronger? Draw

Golgo13
Originally posted by Horrificus
Using the characters offered:

1. Which team is more versatile? Marvel
2. Which team is faster? DC
3. Which team has better energy output? Marvel
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Marvel
5. Which team is smarter? Marvel
6. Which team has the better fighters? Draw
7. Which team is stronger? Draw

Why do you think team Marvel is more versatile?

Mindset
Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, here is a quick list of DC's geniuses. Many of them appearing in ongoings and frequent villains in the solo books.

Lex Luthor
Brainiac 5
Vril Dox
Dr. Sivana
TO Morrow
Professor IQ
Rip Hunter
Martin Stein
Ryan Choi
Ray Palmer
The Chief
Will Magnus
Toyman
Toyman 2
Emil
Steel
Cyborg
Hardware
Majestic
Adam Strange
Bruce Wayne
Mister Terrific
Professor Ivo
Calculator
Terry Sloan
Ted Kord Put all them together and Doom missing part of his brain is still smarter.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, here is a quick list of DC's geniuses. Many of them appearing in ongoings and frequent villains in the solo books.

Lex Luthor
Brainiac 5
Vril Dox
Dr. Sivana
TO Morrow
Professor IQ
Rip Hunter
Martin Stein
Ryan Choi
Ray Palmer
The Chief
Will Magnus
Toyman
Toyman 2
Emil
Steel
Cyborg
Hardware
Majestic
Adam Strange
Bruce Wayne
Mister Terrific
Professor Ivo
Calculator
Terry Sloan
Ted Kord Originally posted by Golgo13
You seriously need a new hobby. laughing out loud

Golgo13
You seriously need a new hobby? cool

Horrificus
Originally posted by Golgo13
Why do you think team Marvel is more versatile? Without going too overboard with details, I will just show what I was thinking, at a glance.

I see the following criteria:

1. Flying Brick- Strength, Blast, Unrestricted Flight/Travel, Physical Durability.
2. Manipulation of Energy or Matter or Reality or Time, or combinations of these, etc.
3. Magic- Magic as the base for all powers and abilities.
4. Light-Construct- Constructs, Some Energy Manipulation (but not high-level), etc.
5. Speed- Speed as the base for all powers and abilities.

6. True Herald- Characters that encompass 2 or more of the above.



1. Superman- Flying Brick
2. Wally West/Barry- Speed + Time Manipulation (low level) + Energy Manipulation (low level) very close to "True Herald"
3. Mr. Majestic- Flying Brick
4. Orion- Flying Brick (on a scooter)
5. Captain Marvel- Flying Brick
6. Firestorm- Energy Manipulation + Possibly "True Herald" if I am missing other abilities he has recently.
7. Kyle Rayner/Hal- Light Construct
8. Weird- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation
9. Dr. Fate- Magic
10. Sentinel- Light Construct

vs

Marvel's
1. Thor/BRB- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Magic + Energy Manipulation, Time Manipulation (low level), plus
2. Surfer- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Speed + Energy Manipulation, plus
3. Dr. Strange- Magic
4. Quasar- Energy Manipulation + Light Construct
5. Sentry- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation (low level)
6. Hulk- Brick
7. Black Bolt- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation
8. Gladiator- Flying Brick
9. Genis- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation, plus
10. Sersi- Energy Manipulation + Flying Brick (low level)

Golgo13
Originally posted by Horrificus
Without going too overboard with details, I will just show what I was thinking, at a glance.

I see the following criteria:

1. Flying Brick- Strength, Blast, Unrestricted Flight/Travel, Physical Durability.
2. Manipulation of Energy or Matter or Reality or Time, or combinations of these, etc.
3. Magic- Magic as the base for all powers and abilities.
4. Light-Construct- Constructs, Some Energy Manipulation (but not high-level), etc.
5. Speed- Speed as the base for all powers and abilities.

6. True Herald- Characters that encompass 2 or more of the above.

1. Superman- Flying Brick
2. Wally West/Barry- Speed + Time Manipulation (low level) + Energy Manipulation (low level)
3. Mr. Majestic- Flying Brick
4. Orion- Flying Brick (on a scooter)
5. Captain Marvel- Flying Brick
6. Firestorm- Energy Manipulation
7. Kyle Rayner/Hal- Light Construct
8. Weird- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation
9. Dr. Fate- Magic
10. Sentinel- Light Construct

vs

Marvel's
1. Thor/BRB- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Magic + Energy Manipulation, Time Manipulation (low level), plus
2. Surfer- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Speed + Energy Manipulation, plus
3. Dr. Strange- Magic
4. Quasar- Energy Manipulation + Light Construct
5. Sentry- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation (low level)
6. Hulk- Brick
7. Black Bolt- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation
8. Gladiator- Flying Brick
9. Genis- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation, plus
10. Sersi- Energy Manipulation + Flying Brick (low level)

Nice break down, bud, but some of those are a little off, IMO. Sentinel is more than "Light Constructs". He's been shown to manipulate energy and time before.

Orion's Mother Box can pretty much do anything. Including:



List made by beatbok's.

Dr. Fate is also more than a Mage. He has uber TK, super strength, telepathy, and speed.

Horrificus
Originally posted by Golgo13
Nice break down, bud, but some of those are a little off, IMO. Sentinel is more than "Light Constructs". He's been shown to manipulate energy and time before.

Orion's Mother Box can pretty much do anything. Including:



List made by beatbok's.

Dr. Fate is also more than a Mage. He has uber TK, super strength, telepathy, and speed. That's cool. I will take that stuff into account. Not an expert in all of them, obviously.
But, good to know where I was missing info.
Thanks.

Your info does change things up a bit. Yup.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Horrificus
That's cool. I will take that stuff into account. Not an expert in all of them, obviously.
But, good to know where I was missing info.
Thanks.

Your info does change things up a bit. Yup.

Here are some scans of Alan's feats. Including speeding up time (centuries in mere minutes), so he save the planet.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/x-men-vs-jsa-692517/?page=2

curryman
Originally posted by Golgo13
Here are some scans of Alan's feats. Including speeding up time (centuries in mere minutes), so he save the planet.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/x-men-vs-jsa-692517/?page=2

These guys actually think the X-Men could take JSA?

Golgo13
Originally posted by curryman
These guys actually think the X-Men could take JSA?

I wouldn't be surprised. Some of them think Midnighter could take Spider-Man and Wolverine at once. eek!

Maybe if the X-Men lineup contained Magneto, Xavier, Juggernaut, Phoenix, etc...

abhilegend
Originally posted by curryman
These guys actually think the X-Men could take JSA?
Comivine sucks.

curryman
Originally posted by Golgo13
I wouldn't be surprised. Some of them think Midnighter could take Spider-Man and Wolverine at once. eek!

I don't see how this is apt analogy to thinking a team of high-end heralds losing to mainly metas, but I get what you're saying.

Horrificus
Originally posted by Golgo13
Nice break down, bud, but some of those are a little off, IMO. Sentinel is more than "Light Constructs". He's been shown to manipulate energy and time before.

Orion's Mother Box can pretty much do anything. Including:


Dr. Fate is also more than a Mage. He has uber TK, super strength, telepathy, and speed. What levels of TK, Super Strength, Telepathy and Speed would you say that Dr. Fate has? In comparison with other team members?



Based on your details for Sentinel and Orion being correct, I tweaked my post.
It would close the gap between the 2 teams, concerning "Versatility".


1. Flying Brick- Strength, Blast, Unrestricted Flight/Travel, Physical Durability.
2. Manipulation of Energy or Matter or Reality or Time, or combinations of these, etc.
3. Magic- Magic as the base for all powers and abilities.
4. Light-Construct- Constructs, Some Energy Manipulation (but not high-level), etc.
5. Speed- Speed as the base for all powers and abilities.

6. True Herald- Characters that encompass 2 or more of the above.



1. Superman- Flying Brick
2. Wally West/Barry- Speed + Time Manipulation (low level) + Energy Manipulation (low level) very close to "True Herald"
3. Mr. Majestic- Flying Brick
4. Orion- Flying Brick (on a scooter) or "True Herald" if Motherbox powers are used on a frequent basis.
5. Captain Marvel- Flying Brick
6. Firestorm- Energy Manipulation + Possibly "True Herald" if I am missing other abilities he has recently.
7. Kyle Rayner/Hal- Light Construct
8. Weird- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation
9. Dr. Fate- Magic
10. Sentinel- "True Herald"- Light Construct + Energy and Time Manipulation

vs

Marvel's
1. Thor/BRB- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Magic + Energy Manipulation, Time Manipulation (low level), plus
2. Surfer- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Speed + Energy Manipulation, plus
3. Dr. Strange- Magic
4. Quasar- Energy Manipulation + Light Construct
5. Sentry- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation (low level)
6. Hulk- Brick
7. Black Bolt- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation
8. Gladiator- Flying Brick
9. Genis- "True Herald"- Flying Brick + Energy Manipulation, plus
10. Sersi- Energy Manipulation + Flying Brick (low level)

-Pr-
Originally posted by Golgo13
Martian Manhunter has been shown a genius in Stormwatch, seeing as hes been teaching Jenny Quantum. The Engineer as well.

Nobody's saying they're not smart.

Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Which team is more versatile? Split.
2. Which team is faster? Split or DC. Flash and all that.
3. Which team has better energy output? Split.
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Split.
5. Which team is smarter? Split.
6. Which team has the better fighters? Gonna say a split again.
7. Which team is stronger? A lot of people are saying DC here but I'm confused as to how anyone can justify Superman/Orion/Majestic/Captain Marvel being any stronger than Hulk/Gladiator/Sentry/Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Black Bolt. I say Marvel. More high-end strength, also Hulk.

mighty adam
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Which team is more versatile? Split.
2. Which team is faster? Split or DC. Flash and all that.
3. Which team has better energy output? Split.
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Split.
5. Which team is smarter? Split.
6. Which team has the better fighters? Gonna say a split again.
7. Which team is stronger? A lot of people are saying DC here but I'm confused as to how anyone can justify Superman/Orion/Majestic/Captain Marvel being any stronger than Hulk/Gladiator/Sentry/Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Black Bolt. I say Marvel. More high-end strength, also Hulk. you know dam well Orion is stronger then bill and blackbolt and sentry majestic is way stronger then anybody on marvel team but hulk that being said hulk has to getting mad enough to get on Orion, supes, CM, majestic LV dc is stronger way stronger.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by mighty adam
you know dam well Orion is stronger then bill and blackbolt and sentry majestic is way stronger then anybody on marvel team but hulk that being said hulk has to getting mad enough to get on Orion, supes, CM, majestic LV dc is stronger way stronger.

Orion is stronger than Black Bolt but with his ability to amp, he isn't a pushover either. You'd be hard-pressed to prove he has any advantage over Sentry or Bill and if there is one, it's slim at best.

Lol, what? Majestic isn't way stronger than any of the big guns on Marvel's team. And DC isn't way stronger overall either. Hulk starts out at near elite strength at this point, this isn't 1962 anymore.

Check your weed bro, someone's been splicing it with rat poison.

Simply put, Hulk/Gladiator/Sentry/Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Black Bolt are collectively stronger than Superman/Orion/Majestic/Captain Marvel. Noticeably so.

Golgo13
Dont forget classic fate was strong too.

TheHulk
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Orion is stronger than Black Bolt but with his ability to amp, he isn't a pushover either. You'd be hard-pressed to prove he has any advantage over Sentry or Bill and if there is one, it's slim at best.

Lol, what? Majestic isn't way stronger than any of the big guns on Marvel's team. And DC isn't way stronger overall either. Hulk starts out at near elite strength at this point, this isn't 1962 anymore.

Check your weed bro, someone's been splicing it with rat poison.

Simply put, Hulk/Gladiator/Sentry/Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Black Bolt are collectively stronger than Superman/Orion/Majestic/Captain Marvel. Noticeably so. thumb up

mighty adam
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Orion is stronger than Black Bolt but with his ability to amp, he isn't a pushover either. You'd be hard-pressed to prove he has any advantage over Sentry or Bill and if there is one, it's slim at best.

Lol, what? Majestic isn't way stronger than any of the big guns on Marvel's team. And DC isn't way stronger overall either. Hulk starts out at near elite strength at this point, this isn't 1962 anymore.

Check your weed bro, someone's been splicing it with rat poison.

Simply put, Hulk/Gladiator/Sentry/Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Black Bolt are collectively stronger than Superman/Orion/Majestic/Captain Marvel. Noticeably so. yes blackbolt has the master blow that leaves him gassed. And that move won't do shit to any dc powerhouse hell be weak after then killed. Majestic has better strength feats then anybody on the marvel said shy of hulk. But I say supes have better strength feats then hulk. I don't agree dc has a edge over marvel supes can sun dip, Orion can turn his mother box off and use all his rage etc. Dc is way stronger.

curryman
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, what? Majestic isn't way stronger than any of the big guns on Marvel's team. And DC isn't way stronger overall either. Hulk starts out at near elite strength at this point, this isn't 1962 anymore.


Someone's been hanging out at herochat and comicvine.

TheHulk
Originally posted by curryman
Someone's been hanging out at herochat and comicvine. Don't talk about that kind of stuff,when you belong there and are one of them. miffed:

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Orion is stronger than Black Bolt but with his ability to amp, he isn't a pushover either. You'd be hard-pressed to prove he has any advantage over Sentry or Bill and if there is one, it's slim at best.

Lol, what? Majestic isn't way stronger than any of the big guns on Marvel's team. And DC isn't way stronger overall either. Hulk starts out at near elite strength at this point, this isn't 1962 anymore.

Check your weed bro, someone's been splicing it with rat poison.

Simply put, Hulk/Gladiator/Sentry/Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Black Bolt are collectively stronger than Superman/Orion/Majestic/Captain Marvel. Noticeably so. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Which team is more versatile? Split.
2. Which team is faster? Split or DC. Flash and all that.
3. Which team has better energy output? Split.
4. Which team stacks up better against cosmic threats? Split.
5. Which team is smarter? Split.
6. Which team has the better fighters? Gonna say a split again.
7. Which team is stronger? A lot of people are saying DC here but I'm confused as to how anyone can justify Superman/Orion/Majestic/Captain Marvel being any stronger than Hulk/Gladiator/Sentry/Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Black Bolt. I say Marvel. More high-end strength, also Hulk.
Hypocrisy ftw. Speed is split but marvel side is noticeably stronger? Flash is faster than nearly the whole marvel team combined. Also in strength its split. Hulk at his average level is a peer to superman and that's it.

TheHulk
^Doesnt Character ruling states,Hulk is at his best? So if average Hulk is a peer to Superman in strength....wouldn't that mean Hulk(non HOTM) at his best is >Superman in STR? confused

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulk
^Doesnt Character ruling states,Hulk is at his best? So if average Hulk is a peer to Superman in strength....wouldn't that mean Hulk(non HOTM) at his best is >Superman in STR? confused
Average hulk is a peer to average superman. High end hulk is a peer to high end superman.

curryman
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hypocrisy ftw. Speed is split but marvel side is noticeably stronger? Flash is faster than nearly the whole marvel team combined. Also in strength its split. Hulk at his average level is a peer to superman and that's it.

You're selling the DC side short here.

TheHulk
Originally posted by abhilegend
Average hulk is a peer to average superman. High end hulk is a peer to high end superman. No offense,but why do I feel like that was just a quick thinking/thought up excuse huh

But yea Hulk is equal,if not slightly and veeeeeery slightly stronger than Superman.

Golgo13
Classic Fate is arguably the strongest on the field. wink

JakeTheBank
Classic Fate isn't a herald.

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