Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Yeah, yeah it's not canon. But I like it a lot more than say, GT. I'd really like an animated version of the series.

Go ahead and give it a read, give some thoughts, yadda yadda.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0222.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0253.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0620.png

some of the cool stuff

I like the ideas, but I simply can't read this shit.

It's basically more polished fan-fiction, and I detest fan-fiction.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you detest fan fiction? Is it just pointless to you?

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, really fun to read

Yea, I really like it too It's pretty well done.

Is English the writer's second language?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Is English the writer's second language?


It looks like they're bilingual in French and English, yes.

In the translation listing, they have someone to do English 'corrections' rather than a full out translator.

I've noticed, it's really distracting and grating, but then I'm something of a grammar Nazi in what I read.

It's why I read about two paragraphs of Revan before closing the pdf (Like I buy books, only nerds do that) and never opening it again.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Just out of curiosity, what makes you detest fan fiction? Is it just pointless to you?

Yes.

I'm much more interested in reading original properties from people.

I love DBM!

Me too. Have to get up to date.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0706.png

The newest page. How the hell did Gohan bounce off Dabura lol? That particular Gohan should be nowhere near his level.

Pretty sure this isn't going to turn out well for him, though.

Yeah probably not. Fat Buu's going to appear most likely.

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0706.png

The newest page. How the hell did Gohan bounce off Dabura lol? That particular Gohan should be nowhere near his level.

Most likely because Dabura misjudged Gohan's power. Why would Dabura use all his strength if he felt Gohan was much weaker? And a few pages earlier Gohan said he was hidind his power to avoid being detected.

Could be. It'll turn south quick now though. Dabura is at perfect cell level.

I agree. Dabura should easily stomp Gohan. Is this from the universe that Babidi, Buu, and Dabura are all from? Since they all survive to enter the tournament i'd say Gohan better haul ass now

Originally posted by juggerman
I agree. Dabura should easily stomp Gohan. Is this from the universe that Babidi, Buu, and Dabura are all from? Since they all survive to enter the tournament i'd say Gohan better haul ass now

*Checks*, this takes place in universes '12, 14, and 15'.

Originally posted by Q99
*Checks*, this takes place in universes '12, 14, and 15'.

Interesting seeing as how Babadi and company are from 11. In 12 I guess Gohan wins since Trunks never fights Babidi's guys. 14 I assume they leave Earth looking for more energy leaving the Androids alone. I guess they could leave in 12 as well. Who knows about 15 tho

You nailed it juggerman.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0707.png

This is basically fanservice for DBZ nerds and it succeeds at that

Entertaining stuff, especially the Cell vs Dabura fight, which is still the best one in the comic for me

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0708.png


aaannnd pui pui's gone...

Originally posted by Damborgson
You nailed it juggerman.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0707.png

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0718.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0719.png

Anyone guessing Dabura dead? I'm sure the shrimp survive, thanks to his personal shield.

Dope

So stoked for this round in the tournament x3.
http://i39.tinypic.com/zvsv84.jpg

This should be good I think they're actually around the same power level.

I'd put my money on Cold at the moment.

Yeah I'm pretty excited , this is one of the bouts I've really been looking forward to. I believe Piccolo said King Cold was around the strength of #16 but who knows if he still has more cards he has yet to show since we're talking the father of children who are always going on about how they're not even using their full power or have another form hidden away.

I'm rooting for Bardock though and am hoping he can push past just SS1, but I'm worried his visions are gonna really be a downfall if they come into play in this match, cause they had him almost on the ropes against Raditz that one fight, Cold's an opponent he can't let get that window of opportunity to really go nuts O.O.

Looks like Cold is stomping him at the moment D:

Originally posted by Damborgson
Looks like Cold is stomping him at the moment D:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0799.png

Originally posted by Damborgson
Looks like Cold is stomping him at the moment D: More like Cold just toss him with his tail, if you notice the previous tiny panel.

this is all of it so far:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0796.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0797.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0798.png

Bardock's definitely on the losing end so far

Originally posted by Yamcha
Yeah I'm pretty excited , this is one of the bouts I've really been looking forward to. I believe Piccolo said King Cold was around the strength of #16 but who knows if he still has more cards he has yet to show since we're talking the father of children who are always going on about how they're not even using their full power or have another form hidden away.

I'm rooting for Bardock though and am hoping he can push past just SS1, but I'm worried his visions are gonna really be a downfall if they come into play in this match, cause they had him almost on the ropes against Raditz that one fight, Cold's an opponent he can't let get that window of opportunity to really go nuts O.O.

Bardock's visions should probably grant him some "Plot armor" against being killed off.

Sheeeeeesh, makes you wonder how strong Cold would be if he achieved the form Cooler did...I mean maybe he has and we just don't know it yet, he IS their father after all. I'm still pulling for Bardock but I had a feeling it would be an uphill battle, if what Piccolo said is true about Cold being = to #16 then that could be bad since our heroes trained their asses off to prepare for the androids (17/18) and still couldn't dent them the first time around and 16 being stronger than 17-18 was even able to beat on Cell for awhile too >_>....

I know Bardock had that vision of a beat up Cold and I hope it's not from someone dumb like Bra one shotting him, I'm hoping Bardock takes it to SS2, I was gonna say Cold could switch forms too but in that healing pod he's still in the 4th state so maybe he doesn't go past it?....Then again Cooler is there too and he's back into his 4th form as well so I'm not sure xD

Originally posted by cdtm
Bardock's visions should probably grant him some "Plot armor" against being killed off. Ahh I hope so, plus in all actuality that is a neat way to show what's going to happen later in the story and gives us stuff to look forward to or watch out for, still wondering when ol' Ginyu will make an appearance lol.

-I mean maybe he has and we just don't know it yet, he IS their father after all.-

Well. he just trained enough to hang around in 4th, so not too likely.

One really nice thing about this webcomic? Since so many people do DBZ style, they can switch artists and you hardly notice, even though the artists are themselves each good.

This filled me with joy
http://i39.tinypic.com/2s0k202.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/10dth06.jpg

Heh, damn. Does Cold make a comeback after that, or... ?

Shit like this was what should've been done with the throwaway characters in the actual source material/canon.

I like this Bardock.

Too bad this is an imaginary story. But I guess like Alan Moore said, "aren't they all?"

Very true. I like thinking of it that way.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0802.png

Full powered King Cold heh. Lets see how Bardock gets out of this one

Sheeeeeesh lmao, poor Bardock can't catch a break. If Cold was at #16 level before I wonder if he's around the level of Semi Perfect Cell now >_>...Bardock better have a trick up his sleeve or this is gonna get real bad real fast ._.

The way he's reacting I'm willing to bet he got the jump on the Cold in his universe before he could transform :0

What was the predict power level of full power Cold?

Originally posted by vansonbee
What was the predict power level of full power Cold? Not positive on his full power but Piccolo said when he was in his final form he had the equivalent power level of around #17/#18 maybe even #16, he also mentioned if Trunks let him transform back when he came to earth with Frieza then neither Trunks nor Goku would have been able to defeat him at the time.
http://i41.tinypic.com/npflp0.jpg

I think out of all of Bardocks visions this one is my favorite
http://i44.tinypic.com/o5n9le.jpg

Coolers statement makes me wonder how well King Cold can actually control his power at this level though :0.
http://i41.tinypic.com/2a6466w.jpg

He's likely been practicing control.

Originally posted by vansonbee
What was the predict power level of full power Cold? Well, according to this PL guide, Cold's PL in his 2nd form was 90m:
http://i.imgur.com/X8MDYar.jpg

Frieza's PL in his 2nd form was over 1m, and his final form's PL was over 100m-- which equates to roughly a 100x increase in power. So IF Cold received the same multiplier upon transforming into his final form, it'd give him a PL of 9b(90m*100=9b.)

That, however, is a purely theoretical approximation(of which is likely WAY too high.) I'm certainly not trying to sell it as incontrovertible fact, just throwing out a partially-evidence-based number, is all.

Just thinking about how much I'd prefer to see this animated instead of GT

Ugh, yeah...

Well there is this at least, even if it is a fan-based english dub, which is still done pretty well considering that.

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If they animated DB Multiverse stuff like that, I'd watch it in english in a heartbeat if the fan-made voice acting was on par with the above vid.

Completely agree.

So Salagir himself commented on his way of looking at power levels which kinda gives us an idea of how powerful Cold should be compared to his sons ._.

"Salagir

Hello
I've read in the previous pages a few posts about power levels and SSJ. Let me clarify what I think and what I use for DBM.

This is in now way the "canon" truth, mainly because this truth isn't quite known.
I won't explain nor justify any of my lines, this post isn't for this.

I believe that a Saiyan needs a certain power level before (s)he can turn super saiyan.
This power level goes at about 100,000 or 1 million.

I believe that SSJ is accessible only thru a terrible internal turmoil, involving anger.
Exceptions are half-saiyans or legendary saiyans. The power limit also doesn't touch them because they are already very strong to begin with.

I believe that "frost demons" never trains, because they are so used to be invincible. The 30 last years are not exception.
Coola used a "method" (that can be called training or something else) to control his body in final/original form. In U8, Freeza and Cold followed him.
Coola continued and obtained his "augmentation form".
Coola and Freeza are just children and far from their top power as frost demon. Cold is adult and at his top. He is indeed much stronger than his children.
When Freeza and Cold arrived on earth, Cold was in "reduction form 2" and about the same power as his son (in this reduction form). (again, my view only)

I believe SSJ isn't just a mere multiplier but more of a big step, making SSJ2 always stronger than SSJ1, and SSJ3 always stronger than SSJ2. Fusion are exceptions.
In the same road, this makes SSJ1 a minimum power level, that is a little above "final Freeza".
Cold being much stronger than his son, just being SSJ1 isn't enough to beat him. Of course, between SSJ1 and SSJ2, there are many power levels, many being able to beat the other easily, as shown in Cell's saga.

And SSJ2 isn't 2x SSJ1. No, no no no way. It's at least 10 times, and certainly quite more. Gohan killing in one strike several SSJ1-full-power levels monsters is the proof of it."

If Frieza and Cooler are mere children and not even near the peak power for an old Frost Demon then Bardock could be in serious trouble if he doesn't have access to anything past SSJ1 >_<

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0803.png

lol. It could be the lack of sleep but the page made me laugh.

Cold is a monster O.O, it's like the complete opposite of when Goku fought Frieza ._.

http://i40.tinypic.com/oknyid.jpg
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I wonder how the Vegeta or Kakarot from Universe 13 would fair against this Cold?

Apparently Vegeta 13 can hit SSJ2. I'd think Kakarot's likely stronger than Bardock too... I'd think Kakarot would win after a fight.

hm? how do you know Vegeta can hit ssj2?

I'm glad Bardock's not dead at least xD, I'm just kinda bothered Cold is being all cocky yet doesn't seem to notice SS3 Goku but then again he may not be able to sense power levels
http://i41.tinypic.com/xqlzr4.jpg

Sadly now it went to a special, so no tourney bouts for a bit ;~;

That was an awesome fight though. All action pretty much. The specials annoy me T_T

Originally posted by Damborgson
hm? how do you know Vegeta can hit ssj2?

Word of author.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That was an awesome fight though. All action pretty much. The specials annoy me T_T

Me too. Most of the flashback stories aren't really that interesting, and just hold up the main story. All he really needed was one page getting to the point...

I think the flashbacks give the main artists time to get a page buffer of the main chapters going without having to make breaks (note how flashbacks use different artists).

And some of 'em aren't bad, the Bardock Rebellion was pretty badass.

some of them are ok. I liked the 2nd broly one. But the art is horrendous in some:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0393.png

Vegeta's face though

WTF? haermm

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0861.png
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I really hope Prince Vegeta wins I really like the character but the latest page..has me quite troubled ._.;

If all else fails though at least there's still this xD
Originally posted by Yamcha
I think out of all of Bardocks visions this one is my favorite
http://i44.tinypic.com/o5n9le.jpg

I hope Vegeta wins too, but it's looking more and more like Raichi's gonna edge him out. If he kills Vegeta, he'd be able to use him against Gast in the next round too.
We all know Yamcha is the tournament winner haha.

DBM seems to play up the downsides of SSJ3 a lot (see also: Gotenks).

I'd still bet Vegeta has a good shot, he seems good at overcoming adversity.

what a twist!

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0945.png

Young man vegeta

Looks like a SSJ1....

Though, all Vegeta has to do is kill *Raichi* to win, not this other Vegeta.

In my opinion i think goku should have stayed dead after the cell saga and have gohan take up the mantle as defender of the earth with vegeta and the others by his side...... Thats how toriyama originally wanted to write the series but the editors were afraid that if goku didnt come back ppl would stop reading so they forced toriyama to find a way to force feed him back to life

I'd be stoked if the next page Prince Vegeta fired a small ki blast at Ghost Vegeta and it misses an Ghost Vegeta was like "PATHETIC, you're so weak you can't even aim properly. If you didn't realize, you missed *smirk*" then the page after that Prince Vegeta is like "Hardly.." and it shows that the blast pierced through Raichi(It shouldn't take much, he's not that durable), the ghost fades, Prince Vegeta is declared the winner, collapses, then he gets a boost when he recovers.


Also neither here nor there but I'd be curious if Broly came back somehow as an SS3, cause where Multiverse focuses on the power drain of the form but with Broly they made it known they feel his power constantly grows so I wonder if it would overcome the power drain like someone would be like "Hah in that form he's going to burn himself out" and Goku's shocked like "NO, IN FACT HE'S STILL GETTING STRONGER!" An Piccolo is all "It's like that form was made especially for him..his legendary status completely nullifies the drain!"

Vegeta killed Vegeta.

Originally posted by Damborgson
some of them are ok. I liked the 2nd broly one. But the art is horrendous in some:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0393.png

Vegeta's face though

Lol the wheels kinda fell off the cart on that last panel.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0946.png

Nuuuuuuu....I was seriously rooting for Vegeta.

WE probably be seeing him soon, as Raichi minion, whats better is, we might get SSJ3 Goku vs. SSJ3 Vegeta in the near future.

Regarding King Piccolo, aren't they on different power levels? Hopefully he isn't using magic against Gast or vice versa.

Pretty good fight for Vegeta, too bad his run ends here.

And I suspect, next time Raichi fights we'll see SSJ3 Vegeta in his ghost army.

Originally posted by Yamcha
I'd be stoked if the next page Prince Vegeta fired a small ki blast at Ghost Vegeta and it misses an Ghost Vegeta was like "PATHETIC, you're so weak you can't even aim properly. If you didn't realize, you missed *smirk*" then the page after that Prince Vegeta is like "Hardly.." and it shows that the blast pierced through Raichi(It shouldn't take much, he's not that durable), the ghost fades, Prince Vegeta is declared the winner, collapses, then he gets a boost when he recovers.


I thought that likely, but then again, thinking about it, Ghost Vegeta likely would move to defend/block.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/imgs/tournament-so-far.png

Next round is looking pretty good too.

This is like a reverse 'come to the dark side' speech!

He's so evil about though lmao.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He's so evil about though lmao.

"Let yourself be overwhelmed by benevolence!"

I doubt he'll score a win but...there's a chance.

So much has happened since last we tuned into this thread but now we see some more from the mysterious XXI, someone who even surprises the powerful multiverse Buu with his power!
http://i62.tinypic.com/qsqezn.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/2nao1zm.jpg

An a classic battle about to be retold at 1000x gravity!
http://i58.tinypic.com/2l95dz9.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/swbj7n.jpg

Do they have a "no GT" policy?

Just wondering what form Gogeta is capped at, when he has his inevitable showdown with Vegetto. (Funny that Goku and Vegeta didn't enter in as Gogeta, since Gotenk's is allowed.. Yeah, they have a lot of pride, but they both admitted they're totally outclassed as individuals..)

Yeah they ignore GT. So I'm guessing Gogeta will be like Vegetto and cap at SSJ3.

Originally posted by cdtm
Do they have a "no GT" policy?

Just wondering what form Gogeta is capped at, when he has his inevitable showdown with Vegetto. (Funny that Goku and Vegeta didn't enter in as Gogeta, since Gotenk's is allowed.. Yeah, they have a lot of pride, but they both admitted they're totally outclassed as individuals..)

They also are interested in getting power-ups during fights. Even if they lose, a good fight is it's own reward, and the wish is pretty secondary for them.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0999.png Goku is about to lose O_O

Hell yeah Frieza! Beat his monkey ass!!!!!

Cheapest win after Vegetto's loss

It works so well against someone like Goku too, the uppercut he landed probably would have taken his head off if Vegeta was in his place.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1000.png

Originally posted by juggerman
Hell yeah Frieza! Beat his monkey ass!!!!!

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1003.png GET ****ED FRIEZA! That was sick.

I love how Goku can only grow a perfectly formed mustache for facial hair.

I'm really hoping for some mustache commentary by none other than Vegeta after this fight as a knock towards his GT counterpart, like "HAH, A MOOSTACHE KAKAROT?! HOW PITIFUL. SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SAIYAN PRIDE!!"

Originally posted by Yamcha
I'm really hoping for some mustache commentary by none other than Vegeta after this fight as a knock towards his GT counterpart, like "HAH, A MOOSTACHE KAKAROT?! HOW PITIFUL. SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING SAIYAN PRIDE!!"

haermmhaermmhaermmhaermm

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1012.png

and so Goku is about to die

Where do you all go to see these fights?

Originally posted by carver9
Where do you all go to see these fights? http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/chapters.html

Thanks

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1014.png

Buu's just toying with him. Next page, he'll probably form over 9,000 (couldn't resist ^_^ ) more bodies, as Goku is inside Buu's body taking on a tiny piece of him.

Kaioshin might try attacking his body while he's occupied, for all the good it'll do.

Goodbye Goku

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1021.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1022.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1023.png

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1047.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1048.png

Meanwhile...

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http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1151.png
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1152.html#h_read

Good stuff.

Gotenks (Trunks & Goten) are probably on my top 5 of favorite DBZ characters

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1153.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1154.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1155.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1156.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1157.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1158.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1159.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1160.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1161.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1162.html#h_read

Good ol' Beerus

http://i66.tinypic.com/fo26wi.jpg

He'd probably run a train on the the whole tournamet, maybe SSJ3 Vegeto and Zen buu could give him a fight, but idk.

Gast is probably the biggest gun there, the way he stopped Buu's rampage.

Yeah he's a beast alright, it just gets me mixed up on how tough he actually is from the scuff he got by the around ssj2 cell Jr.

Well to be fair he did say that he purposefully tries to make things more challenging for himself on purpose during his fight with Piccolo. Stands to reason he would do the same against Cell Jr.

Ah I remember that part. Sure, that could be it then. He one shot him anyway.

Anyone have that fight?

Gast vs Piccolo or Gast vs Cell Jr?

Both or either

Gast vs Cell:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-481.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-482.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-483.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-484.html#h_read
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http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-486.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-487.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-488.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-489.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-490.html#h_read

Gast vs Piccolo:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-946.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-947.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-948.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-949.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-950.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-951.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-952.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-953.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-954.html#h_read

Adding King Piccolo was a real nice touch

Gast says he's searching for a challenging where he can so it's possible, even likely, he lowered his PL against Cell Jr. so the fight would be more interesting to him. He's probably around Vegito level

I don't think so, he was awfully worried by Vegitos power.

I wouldn't say he was "awfully worried". As I said he should be around that power meaning Vegito and Broly were possibly the only credible threats he's ever come across:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read

Don't look scared to me. More like he knows he has actual competition.

Also Buu seemed pretty darn impressed during the Vegito vs Broly fight:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-10.html#h_read

But he still seems to believe he can beat Vegito without question even at full power:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-233.html#h_read

Originally posted by juggerman
I wouldn't say he was "awfully worried". As I said he should be around that power meaning Vegito and Broly were possibly the only credible threats he's ever come across:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read

Don't look scared to me. More like he knows he has actual competition.

Also Buu seemed pretty darn impressed during the Vegito vs Broly fight:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-10.html#h_read

But he still seems to believe he can beat Vegito without question even at full power:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-233.html#h_read

Can you post all of these scenes from the scans you posted above please?

Just read thru the story yourself:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-0.html

Start here and just continue on

Thanks

Originally posted by juggerman
I wouldn't say he was "awfully worried". As I said he should be around that power meaning Vegito and Broly were possibly the only credible threats he's ever come across:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read

Don't look scared to me. More like he knows he has actual competition.

Also Buu seemed pretty darn impressed during the Vegito vs Broly fight:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-10.html#h_read

But he still seems to believe he can beat Vegito without question even at full power:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-233.html#h_read

http://http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0267.png

He doesn't sound so sure to me.

Fast doesn't react too much, he was awfully worried considering all mystic Gohan did was make him open his eyes. He had to look away from Vegito and was standing tentatively watching the match, its not like someone who spends most of the tourney with his eyes closed.

Yeah, but Buu thought he could beat Vegito when they first met too. Its well understood how arrogant he is.

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/0267.png

He doesn't sound so sure to me.

Fast doesn't react too much, he was awfully worried considering all mystic Gohan did was make him open his eyes. He had to look away from Vegito and was standing tentatively watching the match, its not like someone who spends most of the tourney with his eyes closed.

Yeah, but Buu thought he could beat Vegito when they first met too. Its well understood how arrogant he is.

Can't open that link for some reason. What page are you referring to?

I never said Gast was SSJ3 Vegito level tho. But he should be somewhere in that area the way he effortlessly took control of Buu:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-744.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-745.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-746.html#h_read

Buu is arrogant but this Buu has absorbed the most intelligent people in his universe plus he absorbed Goku and Vegeta after they've felt the power of Vegito. He would be intimately familiar with Vegito. He isn't just talking out of his ass

Ah, its the one where the fights over and Fast says, an infinite power...but I need my wish (paraphrasing) while looking worried again.

You kinda did "he's probably around Vegito level" if thats not what you meant at all, don't pussy foot around with wording 👍

I attributed that to magic, or a trick of some sort. Not to say its not impressive of course. But if he could do that with just the sheer force of his children, he really wouldn't have much to worry about.

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Originally posted by Damborgson
Ah, its the one where the fights over and Fast says, an infinite power...but I need my wish (paraphrasing) while looking worried again.

You kinda did "he's probably around Vegito level" if thats not what you meant at all, don't pussy foot around with wording 👍

I attributed that to magic, or a trick of some sort. Not to say its not impressive of course. But if he could do that with just the sheer force of his children, he really wouldn't have much to worry about.

That infinite power quote to be for Broly as his power just kept increasing with no limit. I don't think Vegito would be considered to have infinite power

Buu and Vegito are probably close in strength. We can't know for sure but again Buu would be intimately aware of Vegito's power having absorbed both Goku and Vegeta and if he believes he can beat Vegito, we can assume he at least believes he can. With all that being said, Gast seemed didn't seem overwhelmed at Vegito's power. Look at how almost everyone reacted to Broly vs Vegito:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-196.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-202.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-218.html#h_read

They were basically shitting their pants. But not Gast. And I didn't mean that I don't think Gast is a match for SSJ3 Vegito. I think he is. I personally think his is but I just don't have the hard evidence to back it up yet which is why I said "around his level"

And Gast said "strength is nothing". That kinda tells me even he believes he he can still win in the face of what he just saw felt:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-267.html#h_read

It might have been magic. It might not have been. Either way Gast is clearly a threat to that level of fighter

Originally posted by juggerman
That infinite power quote to be for Broly as his power just kept increasing with no limit. I don't think Vegito would be considered to have infinite power

Buu and Vegito are probably close in strength. We can't know for sure but again Buu would be intimately aware of Vegito's power having absorbed both Goku and Vegeta and if he believes he can beat Vegito, we can assume he at least believes he can. With all that being said, Gast seemed didn't seem overwhelmed at Vegito's power. Look at how almost everyone reacted to Broly vs Vegito:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-196.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-202.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-218.html#h_read

They were basically shitting their pants. But not Gast. And I didn't mean that I don't think Gast is a match for SSJ3 Vegito. I think he is. I personally think his is but I just don't have the hard evidence to back it up yet which is why I said "around his level"

And Gast said "strength is nothing". That kinda tells me even he believes he he can still win in the face of what he just saw felt:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-267.html#h_read

It might have been magic. It might not have been. Either way Gast is clearly a threat to that level of fighter

They were all talking about Vegito, Gast included. Kai said he was invincible, though obviously that's not true, it's just a way of expressing their astonishment.

It's the difference in reaction from every other scene that makes it evident he's worried though. He's beyond stoic, almost non responsive. Vegito changes that demeanor completely.

Strength is nothing, because he needs to win. At least that's my interpretation, you'll notice cell also thinks he can improve enough to be a challenge.

Sure, he can be a threat. He's not weaksauce by any means. Just from what I've seen, he's probably #4 or 5 strongest.

Originally posted by Damborgson
They were all talking about Vegito, Gast included. Kai said he was invincible, though obviously that's not true, it's just a way of expressing their astonishment.

It's the difference in reaction from every other scene that makes it evident he's worried though. He's beyond stoic, almost non responsive. Vegito changes that demeanor completely.

Strength is nothing, because he needs to win. At least that's my interpretation, you'll notice cell also thinks he can improve enough to be a challenge.

Sure, he can be a threat. He's not weaksauce by any means. Just from what I've seen, he's probably #4 or 5 strongest.

Vegito doesn't have infinite power tho. Only Broly does. And it was clear that Vegito was worn out after the fight so to think anyone would assume his power has no limits is silly. The only one ever to be considered in that way here was Broly

I already said I do think he was concerned but that's quite different than him thinking he is outmatched. As I stated earlier, Vegito(and Broly) might have been the only ones he thinks so far would be an actual challenge for him. Hence a reaction even tho it was a minimal one

Or strength is nothing because there are other ways to win outside of just slugging it out. But still "unlimited strength" is a comment referring only to Broly. We can't really compare Cell's mindset to Gast's imo

Well we can't be completely sure either way since he's only fought people that were far inferior to him so far. I just think they are building him up to be one of the top dogs. #1-3 I'd imagine

Originally posted by juggerman
Vegito doesn't have infinite power tho. Only Broly does. And it was clear that Vegito was worn out after the fight so to think anyone would assume his power has no limits is silly. The only one ever to be considered in that way here was Broly

I already said I do think he was concerned but that's quite different than him thinking he is outmatched. As I stated earlier, Vegito(and Broly) might have been the only ones he thinks so far would be an actual challenge for him. Hence a reaction even tho it was a minimal one

Or strength is nothing because there are other ways to win outside of just slugging it out. But still "unlimited strength" is a comment referring only to Broly. We can't really compare Cell's mindset to Gast's imo

Well we can't be completely sure either way since he's only fought people that were far inferior to him so far. I just think they are building him up to be one of the top dogs. #1-3 I'd imagine

I don't think he was being literal, it makes sense to me that he'd use such a term to describe it because Vegito blew away someone with "infinite power" and considering everyone else before was talking about Vegito, it's still to think he wasn't.

I know, but I explained why my version makes more sense. I guess I don't know what type of reaction you were expecting from someone as stoic as Gast.

Yeah that's possible, he's probably betting on those other ways if he wants to win. Doesn't make sense for it to be Broly, because Broly was eliminated, hence not a worry anymore (More or less)

There is a zero chance that he's #1. 3 maybe, since even though Buu probably has higher chi, what's to say he can't just turn him into a ball again if they fight. But there's some crazy shit going on with XXI and Vegito Obviously, then there was Broly.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I don't think he was being literal, it makes sense to me that he'd use such a term to describe it because Vegito blew away someone with "infinite power" and considering everyone else before was talking about Vegito, it's still to think he wasn't.

I know, but I explained why my version makes more sense. I guess I don't know what type of reaction you were expecting from someone as stoic as Gast.

Yeah that's possible, he's probably betting on those other ways if he wants to win. Doesn't make sense for it to be Broly, because Broly was eliminated, hence not a worry anymore (More or less)

There is a zero chance that he's #1. 3 maybe, since even though Buu probably has higher chi, what's to say he can't just turn him into a ball again if they fight. But there's some crazy shit going on with XXI and Vegito Obviously, then there was Broly.

If you look back at the entire encounter(and even the backstory of Broly given in the comic) we see that his power is continually referred to as infinite or unlimited or something along those lines. Never once was Vegito referred to in that way(to my knowledge anyway). To just assume Gast meant him doesn't really follow anything we've seen up to or since. There's no real reason for Gast to assume Vegito's power is unlimited given what we know and what he's seen. Hell Vegito was significantly weakened after that bout, clearly his power has limits and Gast would be well aware of them.

If you assume for a second that Gast is somewhere in the range of Vegito(maybe sightly stronger or weaker) then his reaction makes perfect sense. He hasn't felt one PL that came anywhere close to his level yet hence his demeanor. But once he felt one creeping up, he started paying attention. I guess it can go either way.

Broly opened his eyes tho. He probably thought he would slice thru this tournament like butter. He just realized there is more to these competitors than he thought. Broly was still fresh in his gray matter tho

I think XXI is shaping up to be the big bad or at least will have something to do with the baddie. What ever is the main villain, that should be #1 but I can see Gast as superior to Buu and possibly Vegito too. But Bardock did have that vision of Vegito possibly killing Gohan and Bra telling Goku and Vegeta that no one can beat him. I think that's where Gast will step up and take Vegito down. Or at least attempt to

Hold on to your butts:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1165.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1166.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1167.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1168.html#h_read

Originally posted by juggerman
Hold on to your butts:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1165.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1166.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1167.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1168.html#h_read Woah that design for Cold is awesome! Hopefully Bra agreeing to the stipulations and how hot headed she is will make her screw up and get her knocked out of the tourny, I'd much rather see Cold move forward.

Guess this shows he was holding back against Bardock.

Originally posted by Yamcha
Woah that design for Cold is awesome! Hopefully Bra agreeing to the stipulations and how hot headed she is will make her screw up and get her knocked out of the tourny, I'd much rather see Cold move forward.

Guess this shows he was holding back against Bardock.

I doubt he was holding back. Remember Buu was running around giving everyone boosts the night before. I think this is his doing

Originally posted by juggerman
I doubt he was holding back. Remember Buu was running around giving everyone boosts the night before. I think this is his doing Ah that makes sense I keep forgetting he did that for everyone ._.

IT DEFINITELY EXPLAINS THIS THOUGH, HOOOOREEY SHEEEEEIT!
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1169.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1170.html#h_read

Bra still seems cocky though so eh :<

Originally posted by juggerman
If you look back at the entire encounter(and even the backstory of Broly given in the comic) we see that his power is continually referred to as infinite or unlimited or something along those lines. Never once was Vegito referred to in that way(to my knowledge anyway). To just assume Gast meant him doesn't really follow anything we've seen up to or since. There's no real reason for Gast to assume Vegito's power is unlimited given what we know and what he's seen. Hell Vegito was significantly weakened after that bout, clearly his power has limits and Gast would be well aware of them.

If you assume for a second that Gast is somewhere in the range of Vegito(maybe sightly stronger or weaker) then his reaction makes perfect sense. He hasn't felt one PL that came anywhere close to his level yet hence his demeanor. But once he felt one creeping up, he started paying attention. I guess it can go either way.

Broly opened his eyes tho. He probably thought he would slice thru this tournament like butter. He just realized there is more to these competitors than he thought. Broly was still fresh in his gray matter tho

I think XXI is shaping up to be the big bad or at least will have something to do with the baddie. What ever is the main villain, that should be #1 but I can see Gast as superior to Buu and possibly Vegito too. But Bardock did have that vision of Vegito possibly killing Gohan and Bra telling Goku and Vegeta that no one can beat him. I think that's where Gast will step up and take Vegito down. Or at least attempt to

Yes but that ignores common sense. Vegito was being praised, analyzed by the opposition as terrifying force, why would Gast be talked about the eliminated Broly? He's worried about what's in front of him, not what's gone. But I've explained this.

He peeped up when Gohan let loose too though. Just nothing like Vegito of course. It's strange, by comparison Broly's initial emergence didn't even register an effect on him. That changed of course, bus still interesting.

I'm sure they'll fight in the future. There's too much hype around Gast for him to not be a major player later on. He'll probably take on XXI before Vegito to be honest, using exotic abilities.

Originally posted by Yamcha
Ah that makes sense I keep forgetting he did that for everyone ._.

IT DEFINITELY EXPLAINS THIS THOUGH, HOOOOREEY SHEEEEEIT!
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1169.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1170.html#h_read

Bra still seems cocky though so eh :<

They had such a cool form in 5th form Cold, then they made him look so...that

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yes but that ignores common sense. Vegito was being praised, analyzed by the opposition as terrifying force, why would Gast be talked about the eliminated Broly? He's worried about what's in front of him, not what's gone. But I've explained this.

He peeped up when Gohan let loose too though. Just nothing like Vegito of course. It's strange, by comparison Broly's initial emergence didn't even register an effect on him. That changed of course, bus still interesting.

I'm sure they'll fight in the future. There's too much hype around Gast for him to not be a major player later on. He'll probably take on XXI before Vegito to be honest, using exotic abilities.

There is absolutely no reason for him to say that about Vegito when basically everything points to him not having unlimited strength. And everyone else talking about him doesn't mean Gast was. Again Broly was the only one billed as having that kind of power and they made sure to beat us over the head about the LSSJ being the only way this was possible. But I guess we just can disagree here

My theory here is that Gast felt the powers of everyone around him when they all arrived and was under the impression that no one was even close to a threat. But when certain people started powering up he realized there may be some competition after all. Also remember he didn't react to Broly and Vegito at all until Vegito was a SSJ2. That's insane that it took so much for Gast to become interested

I want to know what's going on with XXI. There were two sets of evil eyes in the room when Buu visited. Hopefully it's worth the wait

Originally posted by juggerman
There is absolutely no reason for him to say that about Vegito when basically everything points to him not having unlimited strength. And everyone else talking about him doesn't mean Gast was. Again Broly was the only one billed as having that kind of power and they made sure to beat us over the head about the LSSJ being the only way this was possible. But I guess we just can disagree here

My theory here is that Gast felt the powers of everyone around him when they all arrived and was under the impression that no one was even close to a threat. But when certain people started powering up he realized there may be some competition after all. Also remember he didn't react to Broly and Vegito at all until Vegito was a SSJ2. That's insane that it took so much for Gast to become interested

I want to know what's going on with XXI. There were two sets of evil eyes in the room when Buu visited. Hopefully it's worth the wait

An entire scene devoted to praising Vegito translates to Gast talking about Broly to you? That's a personal problem, but carry on.

Agreed. He probably showed up thinking it was all said and done, and no reason for him not to with everyone in their powered down states. He'll probably beat Raichi which means he'll lay the hurt on SSJ3 Vegeta.

One of the sets of evil eyes asked about how he was going to win his match, I bet that body is just XXI's cover, but I have no idea which direction they're heading with it. I wish the specials didn't take weeks or months at a time to finish.

Originally posted by Damborgson
An entire scene devoted to praising Vegito translates to Gast talking about Broly to you? That's a personal problem, but carry on.

Agreed. He probably showed up thinking it was all said and done, and no reason for him not to with everyone in their powered down states. He'll probably beat Raichi which means he'll lay the hurt on SSJ3 Vegeta.

One of the sets of evil eyes asked about how he was going to win his match, I bet that body is just XXI's cover, but I have no idea which direction they're heading with it. I wish the specials didn't take weeks or months at a time to finish.

You seem to be the only one that believes Vegito has unlimited power. Even he doesn't think that.

I think the body is a cover too. Yeah this stuff is taking forever!

You seem to be the only one talking about Broly in a page dedicated to Vegito, and considering its translated and similar hyperbolic expressions are used before, who really makes more sense?

Although to be fair, I'm getting a kick out of kakkarot. I like that they're revisiting his past, I wish this were an actual show.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You seem to be the only one talking about Broly in a page dedicated to Vegito, and considering its translated and similar hyperbolic expressions are used before, who really makes more sense?

Although to be fair, I'm getting a kick out of kakkarot. I like that they're revisiting his past, I wish this were an actual show.

You seem to be the only one attributing a stat to Vegito even tho it was made clear only Broly has the ability

I love the Saiyans universe. I always wondered what it would be like if Goku joined Raditz. It's such a cool concept. I think the show would kill. They should have done this instead of Super imo

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1222.png

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1223.png

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1247.png

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1246.png

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1247.png

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1249.png

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/pages/final/1250.png

So Bra's trapped in Cold's body, and his son's know about it.

There was a vision of Vegito going crazy and attacking everybody. Maybe it's really Captain Ginyu after hopping from Bra to him?