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Both at their respective best.

Who wins?

Guardian of the omniverse.

gobbie q

Feats for merlyn?

Merluyn from the Green/Arrow uni?

Havok merged to an All Reality Nexus (anchored by 4 heroes)
erased the GFQ from every reality.

Merlyn was merged to an All Reality Nexus (harnessed by himself)

nuff said.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Havok merged to an All Reality Nexus (anchored by 4 heroes)
erased the GFQ from every reality.

Merlyn was merged to an All Reality Nexus (harnessed by himself)

nuff said.
Mr. M, I think you low balling the GF again.

Necrom, when he became the Anti-Phoenix (which was nothing more than the sliver of the PF he ripped from Feron), caused Merlyn to go into hiding (even using his daughter, Roma, as bait) until Excalibur dealt with him.

The Goblin Force destroyed the PF, Galactus, and devastated the entire race of Celestials of it's reality.

Maddie w/Goblin Force would/should wreck Merlyn.

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, I think you low balling the GF again.

Necrom, when he became the Anti-Phoenix (which was nothing more
than the sliver of the PF he ripped from Feron), caused Merlyn to go
into hiding (even using his daughter, Roma, as bait) until Excalibur
dealt with him.


Good ol' Merlyn antics to teach a lesson.

Zop,
Excalibur team was allowed to absorb a "portion" of Merlyn's power source (Energy Matrix)
and they were able to Reverse and re-build
a Multiversal compression collapsing All realitieS.

Necrom was a complete joke next to Merlyn son.

And come at me with them scans of Merlyn supposedly "hiding" I'll
return with the scans of Merlyn letting it be known it was part of the
grand manipulation.

... heck, you only have to see Merlyn's feats in comparison with Necron's top showing/potential,
and it tells you everything.
Originally posted by zopzop

The Goblin Force destroyed the PF, Galactus,
and devastated the entire race of Celestials of it's reality.
And Merlyn fused the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse into tiny crystals ...
.. crack a crystal, erase an entire universe, any universe you wish.

Or, we also have Otherworld, (a Pan-Dimensional Reality)
which just happens to contain the Starlight Citadel (an Omniversal Nexus)

All created by Merlyn.

I'll like to see Necrom creating a Galaxy at-least.

No?

How about destroying one?

No.

Meh, I know, battling Rachel a few planets were wrecked.

lol

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Oh, and before you make the error ..

... do Not try and present the Multiversal collapse as Necrom's doing.

He wishes he had that kind of power.

Necrom was full of it and got called on it.

The Collapse was courtesy of the Energy Matrix itself!
It was slowly compressing all realities from its inception,
Way before Necrom even dreamed about trying to usurp its energy source.
A dream that never came even close to fruition.

Originally posted by zopzop

Maddie w/Goblin Force would/should wreck Merlyn.
Merlyn wrecks Maddie w/Goblin Force and Necron and Rachel combined.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Good ol' Merlyn antics to teach a lesson.

Zop,
Excalibur team was allowed to absorb a "portion" of Merlyn's power source (Energy Matrix)
and they were able to Reverse and re-build
a Multiversal compression collapsing All realitieS.

Necrom was a complete joke next to Merlyn son.

And come at me with them scans of Merlyn supposedly "hiding" I'll
return with the scans of Merlyn letting it be known it was part of the
grand manipulation.

... heck, you only have to see Merlyn's feats in comparison with Necron's top showing/potential,
and it tells you everything.

And Merlyn fused the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse into tiny crystals ...
.. crack a crystal, erase an entire universe, any universe you wish.

Or, we also have Otherworld, (a Pan-Dimensional Reality)
which just happens to contain the Starlight Citadel (an Omniversal Nexus)

All created by Merlyn.

I'll like to see Necrom creating a Galaxy at-least.

No?

How about destroying one?

No.

Meh, I know, battling Rachel a few planets were wrecked.

lol

-----------------------------------


Oh, and before you make the error ..

... do Not try and present the Multiversal collapse as Necrom's doing.

He wishes he had that kind of power.

Necrom was full of it and got called on it.

The Collapse was courtesy of the Energy Matrix itself!
It was slowly compressing all realities from its inception,
Way before Necrom even dreamed about trying to usurp its energy source.
A dream that never came even close to fruition.


Merlyn wrecks Maddie w/Goblin Force and Necron and Rachel combined.
http://s23.postimg.org/cb2f97r7b/scared.jpg http://s23.postimg.org/xw7hwtnxz/scared2.jpg
Faking your death (saying he "required a period of.....anonymity" aka HIDING), using your own daughter and humans as pawns says it all. He didn't even want to repair the energy matrix lest Necrom get a glimpse of him and start a fight (again BEFORE Necrom merged with the Anti-Phoenix).

He saw Necrom as a dangerous foe even BEFORE he merged with the Anti-Phoenix sliver.

Goblyn Force Maddie wrecks him.

good to see friends post, still like maddie here not mistaken she absorbed the beyonder hell betsy braddock defeated merlyn i know i nitpicking lol

^^ GF didn't absorb that alternate Beyonder.
Anyway, that Beyonder was a shell by the time GF got it.

Also, Betsy smacked up Merlyn years after he disconnected from the Energy Matrix.
Yea, in that same arc, Merlyn got his entire torso blown out by Jaspers,
and he didn't even flinch, and then reformed his torso like it never happened.
Yet, Betsy can hand to hand his ass to him.

Originally posted by zopzop

Faking your death (saying he "required a period of.....anonymity" aka
HIDING), using your own daughter and humans as pawns says it all.
He didn't even want to repair the energy matrix lest Necrom get a
glimpse of him and start a fight (again BEFORE Necrom merged with
the Anti-Phoenix).
He saw Necrom as a dangerous foe even BEFORE he merged with the
Anti-Phoenix sliver.
Sorry jack, you don't Merlyn.

I could care less about plot induced theatrics by Merlyn.

Necrom couldn't put down heroes!

Again, Necrom's feats? With great effort he was able to destroy a Solar System,
plant by planet.

... uhh, wow? ... yawn


*** Necrom was handled by KyLun! (a b-list hero)


Kylun stabs Necrom's Psychic projection and makes him scream lol:



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Feron blocks Necrom's furious blast, and maintains the block,
while Marcomax (a b-list hero) stomps Necrom hard into the ground:



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Necrom feels pain from the stomp, meanwhile Necrom runs like a b*tch from KyLun:



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KyLun still handling (even owning) Necrom and again, Necrom runs like a b*tch making excuses:



Originally posted by zopzop

Goblyn Force Maddie wrecks him.
Yea, yea, yea ... let me know when the GF, or Rachel, or Nercom can do this:

Excalibur team tapping into Merlyn's power source are able to reverse a Multiversal Collapse,
and literally Rebuild the damaged Infinity of UniverseS:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820408_Anti12.jpg

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Merlyn creates from Nothingness, "Otherworld" which is a Pan Dimensional Actuality:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820409_Anti16.jpg

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/14815129_OtherW10.jpg


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What does that mean? How can a single Universe be a "multi-universe" reality?

Because, Merlyn also created the "Starlight Citadel," which is an Omniversal Nexus:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820422_Roma.jpg


It also contains another of Merlyn's creations, the "Celestial Nullifier"
which can wipe out the Life-Force of any entire Universe:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820483_Mer3.jpg

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How do you think the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
came to be intertwined with those fragile crystals?

Who could posses such power to manipulate the Omniverse's substance
and indeed significance (its freakin life-force) in those crystals?

That's some uber, as uber as it gets reality warping in affect.

Merlyn baby.

hey old friend did u see merlyn reappear recently and also n that sillyness blink defeated fury prime

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ GF didn't absorb that alternate Beyonder.
Anyway, that Beyonder was a shell by the time GF got it.

Also, Betsy smacked up Merlyn years after he disconnected from the Energy Matrix.
Yea, in that same arc, Merlyn got his entire torso blown out by Jaspers,
and he didn't even flinch, and then reformed his torso like it never happened.
Yet, Betsy can hand to hand his ass to him.


Sorry jack, you don't Merlyn.

I could care less about plot induced theatrics by Merlyn.

Necrom couldn't put down heroes!

Again, Necrom's feats? With great effort he was able to destroy a Solar System,
plant by planet.

... uhh, wow? ... yawn


*** Necrom was handled by KyLun! (a b-list hero)


Kylun stabs Necrom's Psychic projection and makes him scream lol:



---------------------------------------

Feron blocks Necrom's furious blast, and maintains the block,
while Marcomax (a b-list hero) stomps Necrom hard into the ground:



---------------------------------------

Necrom feels pain from the stomp, meanwhile Necrom runs like a b*tch from KyLun:



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KyLun still handling (even owning) Necrom and again, Necrom runs like a b*tch making excuses:




Yea, yea, yea ... let me know when the GF, or Rachel, or Nercom can do this:

Excalibur team tapping into Merlyn's power source are able to reverse a Multiversal Collapse,
and literally Rebuild the damaged Infinity of UniverseS:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820408_Anti12.jpg

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Merlyn creates from Nothingness, "Otherworld" which is a Pan Dimensional Actuality:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820409_Anti16.jpg

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/14815129_OtherW10.jpg


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What does that mean? How can a single Universe be a "multi-universe" reality?

Because, Merlyn also created the "Starlight Citadel," which is an Omniversal Nexus:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820422_Roma.jpg


It also contains another of Merlyn's creations, the "Celestial Nullifier"
which can wipe out the Life-Force of any entire Universe:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820483_Mer3.jpg

********************

How do you think the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
came to be intertwined with those fragile crystals?

Who could posses such power to manipulate the Omniverse's substance
and indeed significance (its freakin life-force) in those crystals?

That's some uber, as uber as it gets reality warping in affect.

Merlyn baby.
Mr. M, my friend those scans make things worse, not better for your argument.

Merlyn ran, hid, faked his death AND used his daughter as a pawn to avoid confronting a guy Kylun roughed up!

Goblin Force Maddie ends this with a thought.

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, my friend those scans make things worse, not better for your argument.


zop, I like ya, ... but this is shit talk.
Originally posted by zopzop

Merlyn ran, hid, faked his death AND used his daughter as a pawn
to avoid confronting a guy Kylun roughed up!
Guess you don't recognize context friend.

This is both at the height of their power right,
not story book conflicted characters with pis/cis all over them.

You're argument is based on ... misunderstanding.

Because due to plot, Merlyn decided not to battle Necrom,
because plot called for Rachel to do that,
now you're under the assumption that Merlyn is either below
or than Necrom.

Faulty logic.

Especially when Excalibur was shown just tapping Merlyns power,
and they performed a ridiculous feat which Necrom could never
dream of achieving.

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Anyway, Merlyn at his best ...


Merlyn can fuse the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
with little crystals to shatter at will with the CN.

Merlyn can create from Nothingness
an infinite Universe that's a multi-dimensional actuality. (Otherworld)

Merlyn can create the Starlight Citadel, an Omniversal Nexus
that can itself can explode entire universes.

Excalibur team can tap Merlyn's power source,
and reverse a freakin Multiversal collapse and rebuild the
Multiverse entire in one swoop.

Merlyn can merged with his infinite universe Otherworld, and become abstract.

Meggan can absorb the power of Otherwolrd (Merlyn's creation/power base)
and give pause to the incredible Chaos Wave.

Merlyn manipulates the fate of the prime Multiverse
on a chess board for crying out loud.


~~~> still LOL at your comment that my scans work against me. lol

Originally posted by zopzop

Goblin Force Maddie ends this with a thought.
lol ... she took out the ever weak sauce PF of Reality 1298 (Xorn shattered the prime PF)
beat up the alternate Galactus of that reality,
and "devastated" the race of Celestials of that reality
before getting owned herself.

That's it?

That's what you're pinning against everything above concerning Merlyn?

LOL!

Originally posted by Mr Master


zop, I like ya, ... but this is shit talk.

Guess you don't recognize context friend.

This is both at the height of their power right,
not story book conflicted characters with pis/cis all over them.

You're argument is based on ... misunderstanding.

Because due to plot, Merlyn decided not to battle Necrom,
because plot called for Rachel to do that,
now you're under the assumption that Merlyn is either below
or than Necrom.

Faulty logic.

Especially when Excalibur was shown just tapping Merlyns power,
and they performed a ridiculous feat which Necrom could never
dream of achieving.

-------------------------------------------------


Anyway, Merlyn at his best ...


Merlyn can fuse the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
with little crystals to shatter at will with the CN.

Merlyn can create from Nothingness
an infinite Universe that's a multi-dimensional actuality. (Otherworld)

Merlyn can create the Starlight Citadel, an Omniversal Nexus
that can itself can explode entire universes.

Excalibur team can tap Merlyn's power source,
and reverse a freakin Multiversal collapse and rebuild the
Multiverse entire in one swoop.

Merlyn can merged with his infinite universe Otherworld, and become abstract.

Meggan can absorb the power of Otherwolrd (Merlyn's creation/power base)
and give pause to the incredible Chaos Wave.

Merlyn manipulates the fate of the prime Multiverse
on a chess board for crying out loud.


~~~> still LOL at your comment that my scans work against me. lol


lol ... she took out the ever weak sauce PF of Reality 1298 (Xorn shattered the prime PF)
beat up the alternate Galactus of that reality,
and "devastated" the race of Celestials of that reality
before getting owned herself.

That's it?

That's what you're pinning against everything above concerning Merlyn?

LOL!
Mr M my friend, it wasn't just a plot device, it was the WHOLE REASON EXCALIBUR WAS CREATED. Everything from Excalibur 1-50 including the two special issues was Merlyn scheming to get Excalibur to deal with Necrom while Merlyn hid and faked his death, even being reduced to using his own daughter as a pawn and bait.

I posted the scans, it's not like I'm making this up; it's right there on panel.

Yes the GF destroyed an ALT reality PF and yes it destroyed an ALT reality Galactus...BUT those "alt" reality Celestials are basically 616 Celestials (the Celestials are multiversal). The GF DEVASTATED their ENTIRE RACE in that universe.

Merlyn hid from a guy Kylun caused problems for.

GF Maddie laughs her way to victory.

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr M my friend, it wasn't just a plot device, it was the WHOLE
REASON EXCALIBUR WAS CREATED. Everything from Excalibur 1-50
including the two special issues was Merlyn scheming to get Excalibur
to deal with Necrom while Merlyn hid and faked his death, even being
reduced to using his own daughter as a pawn and bait.
I posted the scans, it's not like I'm making this up; it's right there on panel.
I still see you don't know Merlyn's character/personality and agenda.

Merlyn has been playing tricks like that since back in the Moore days,
there's always some premeditated reasoning behind it for the good of all.

This should enlighten you a bit my friend: (read this carefully)

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15829642_Merlyn.jpg

"Merlyn's origins are shrouded in mystery & misinformation,
much of which he deliberately spread himself ...
Merlyn seems to encourage this confusion,
seeing ALL Existence as a series of endless chess games for Omniversal survival ...
Anything he tells others about himself is suspect,
and eye witness accounts of his actions are unreliable since Merlyn is a master illusionist.
Even his daughter claims Not to truly know who Merlyn is."


Merlyn is, ... the greatest manipulator of all.

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If it wasn't for Moore on panel calling Jaspers "God" ... and the fact that JJ
actually remade 616 in his image,
on top of being seeing by Cobweb in a future where he wasn't stopped
by his one true plot, "Fury" where the entire Omniverse was cancelled as Merlyn predicted,
plus, Merlyn literally stating that he tried to stop 238 Jaspers' warp
and it "thwarted" his abilities ...

Yes, if it wasn't for all that,
I would honestly believe that Merlyn > Jaspers ...
and Not stopping JJ personally was due to Roma's training
when they had the Prime Multiverse being manipulated on freakin Chessboards
and 616 Jaspers was a piece on the board. lol

So, it could be a bit confusing,
but when we see Jaspers' accomplishments and potential,
it clears things up for us more clearly.

JJ was simply "God" withIN his warp, a warp that spread at an exponential rate,
and sooner than later, the warp would engulf what was outside of it,
until there's nothing left to overwhelm.

--------------------------------



So that said and that aside ... WHAT the heck has Nercom done,
or who has he defeated that inspires such high regards on your part?

Cause for the life of me, I ... don't ... get .... it.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes the GF destroyed an ALT reality PF and yes it destroyed an
ALT reality Galactus...BUT those "alt" reality Celestials are basically
616 Celestials (the Celestials are multiversal). The GF
DEVASTATED their ENTIRE RACE in that universe.

This is laughable Zop, seriously.

You're actually attributing the GF defeating NOW supposedly
"multiversal" Celestials because one issue in an off-mainstream title
had some box made by Celestials CLAIM that Celestials had
something to do with the creation of the original
universe/multiverse.



Wait ... ... are you high, or serious?

I mean, that arc came out about 13 freakin YEARS AGO! ... lol

Celestials aren't "multiversal" funny guy,
Franklin and many others have proven that,
time and time again. (in many arcs/stories/bios) unlike that comedy you just claimed.

Originally posted by zopzop

Merlyn hid from a guy Kylun caused problems for.

GF Maddie laughs her way to victory.
I see, you gots nothing,
but the ol' 'I'll stick to in-book story plots' to define a vs match.

facepalm

Merlyn points at GQ and Necrom and explodes the entire Universe they're in,
like he did in "Chaos Engine/Magneto"

Don't have time right now to crop the page but here's a taste until then:

http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/ccdapp.htm

Yea, Merlyn obliteratesReality-4872 ... (no CN)

While (Necrom/PF fraction) taxed himself taking out a single solar system one planet at a time.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I still see you don't know Merlyn's character/personality and agenda.

Merlyn has been playing tricks like that since back in the Moore days,
there's always some premeditated reasoning behind it for the good of all.

This should enlighten you a bit my friend: (read this carefully)

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15829642_Merlyn.jpg

"Merlyn's origins are shrouded in mystery & misinformation,
much of which he deliberately spread himself ...
Merlyn seems to encourage this confusion,
seeing ALL Existence as a series of endless chess games for Omniversal survival ...
Anything he tells others about himself is suspect,
and eye witness accounts of his actions are unreliable since Merlyn is a master illusionist.
Even his daughter claims Not to truly know who Merlyn is."


Merlyn is, ... the greatest manipulator of all.

--------------------------------


If it wasn't for Moore on panel calling Jaspers "God" ... and the fact that JJ
actually remade 616 in his image,
on top of being seeing by Cobweb in a future where he wasn't stopped
by his one true plot, "Fury" where the entire Omniverse was cancelled as Merlyn predicted,
plus, Merlyn literally stating that he tried to stop 238 Jaspers' warp
and it "thwarted" his abilities ...

Yes, if it wasn't for all that,
I would honestly believe that Merlyn > Jaspers ...
and Not stopping JJ personally was due to Roma's training
when they had the Prime Multiverse being manipulated on freakin Chessboards
and 616 Jaspers was a piece on the board. lol

So, it could be a bit confusing,
but when we see Jaspers' accomplishments and potential,
it clears things up for us more clearly.

JJ was simply "God" withIN his warp, a warp that spread at an exponential rate,
and sooner than later, the warp would engulf what was outside of it,
until there's nothing left to overwhelm.

--------------------------------



So that said and that aside ... WHAT the heck has Nercom done,
or who has he defeated that inspires such high regards on your part?

Cause for the life of me, I ... don't ... get .... it.


This is laughable Zop, seriously.

You're actually attributing the GF defeating NOW supposedly
"multiversal" Celestials because one issue in an off-mainstream title
had some box made by Celestials CLAIM that Celestials had
something to do with the creation of the original
universe/multiverse.



Wait ... ... are you high, or serious?

I mean, that arc came out about 13 freakin YEARS AGO! ... lol

Celestials aren't "multiversal" funny guy,
Franklin and many others have proven that,
time and time again. (in many arcs/stories/bios) unlike that comedy you just claimed.


I see, you gots nothing,
but the ol' 'I'll stick to in-book story plots' to define a vs match.

facepalm

Merlyn points at GQ and Necrom and explodes the entire Universe they're in,
like he did in "Chaos Engine/Magneto"

Don't have time right now to crop the page but here's a taste until then:

http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/ccdapp.htm

Yea, Merlyn obliteratesReality-4872 ... (no CN)

While (Necrom/PF fraction) taxed himself taking out a single solar system one planet at a time.
Mr. M, wall of text aside, you've yet to disprove what was stated on panel by Merlyn himself.

You say he's a master manipulator well he is. He faked his death, used his daughter as a pawn and groomed Exaclibur to deal with Necrom because he was scared to confront Necrom calling him a "dangerous foe".

This was BEFORE he merged with the Anti-Phoenix and even when he did merged with the AF, he couldn't access it's power unless Rachel used the PF.

Merlyn HID from that guy.

The GF wrecked it's realities version of the PF, Galactus and devastated the ENTIRE RACE of Celestials in it's reality before it was contained. And yes those Celestials are basically 616 Celestials because the Celestials are MULTIVERSAL. You don't have to like it, but until that's retconned, it is what it is.

Fact is and is stated on panel, the entire first 50 issues of Excalibur and it's two specials were Merlyn grooming Exaclibur to deal with Necrom and using his daughter as a pawn because he was too scared to face him.

No amount of opinion or tangential scans will change this.

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, wall of text aside,
you've yet to disprove what was stated on panel by Merlyn himself.

You say he's a master manipulator well he is. He faked his death,
used his daughter as a pawn and groomed Exaclibur to deal with
Necrom because he was scared to confront Necrom calling him a "dangerous foe".

This was BEFORE he merged with the Anti-Phoenix and even when
he did merged with the AF, he couldn't access it's power unless
Rachel used the PF.

Merlyn HID from that guy.
So, you're still stuck on this?

What does this prove exactly since you can grasp Merlyn's theatrics?

How does this negate Merlyn's feats and/or power?

Moreover how does this boost Necrom's abilities/powers?

I mean, is this Merlyn "hiding from his opponent" vs GQ?

or . is this Merlyn (with his powers/abilities) vs GQ?

Let me know this way I can see where the "F" you're coming from,
otherwise, it's becoming annoying.


No offense, but your argument is plainly senseless here.
Originally posted by zopzop

The GF wrecked it's realities version of the PF, Galactus and
devastated the ENTIRE RACE of Celestials in it's reality before it
was contained. And yes those Celestials are basically 616
Celestials because the Celestials are MULTIVERSAL. You don't have
to like it, but until that's retconned, it is what it is.
So, you're under the illusion that the GF is beyond "multiversal"
because it devastated the race of Celestials belonging to the Alternate Reality-1298
in a comic 13 Years ago!

And this is based on that single RECENT issue where some story is being retold
by some box made by Celestials which "claims" some Celestials were involved in
the creation of the original multiverse.

So because of this, the Goblin Queen in your mind, devastated a race of Multiversal Celestials.

So, universal power Franlin Richards was killing "Multiversal" Celestials as well. ~kadur~

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I'm being real, I like to get lifted too, so if you can fed-ex some of that greenery we good.
Originally posted by zopzop

Fact is and is stated on panel, the entire first 50 issues of Excalibur and it's two
specials were Merlyn grooming Exaclibur to deal with Necrom and using his
daughter as a pawn because he was too scared to face him.
No amount of opinion or tangential scans will change this.
facepalm

Fact is, you don't have anything to say on Necrom's behalf, to imply he any way is > Merlyn.

This is why you're incessantly sticking to Merlyn's incognito behavior as your defense.

I presented Merlyn's feats ...

... stop repeating the same drivel and try use Necrom feats to say something of significance.

Then try and show me WTF GQ is gonna do.

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Merlyn (Post-Energy Matrix) takes a point blank blast from Mad Jim Jaspers 616,
it blows his entire torso/back out of his body:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830596_Merlyn_unkillable.jpg

Merlyn barely reacts to Jaspers' incredible blast and reforms instantly like nothing happened.

Jaspers erased an infinite amount of Captain Britain Corps with a wave of his hand,
leaving literally only a few alive.

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I know, I know, you'll come back with the same gobbledygook referring to Merlyn hiding.

Yet, he doesn't run from Jaspers 616, and calmly manipulates him like he does everyone else.

Has Merlyn ever won a fight in comics?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Has Merlyn ever won a fight in comics? lol

Originally posted by Mr Master
So, you're still stuck on this?

What does this prove exactly since you can grasp Merlyn's theatrics?

How does this negate Merlyn's feats and/or power?

Moreover how does this boost Necrom's abilities/powers?

I mean, is this Merlyn "hiding from his opponent" vs GQ?

or . is this Merlyn (with his powers/abilities) vs GQ?

Let me know this way I can see where the "F" you're coming from,
otherwise, it's becoming annoying.


No offense, but your argument is plainly senseless here.

So, you're under the illusion that the GF is beyond "multiversal"
because it devastated the race of Celestials belonging to the Alternate Reality-1298
in a comic 13 Years ago!

And this is based on that single RECENT issue where some story is being retold
by some box made by Celestials which "claims" some Celestials were involved in
the creation of the original multiverse.

So because of this, the Goblin Queen in your mind, devastated a race of Multiversal Celestials.

So, universal power Franlin Richards was killing "Multiversal" Celestials as well. ~kadur~

-------------------------------------------

I'm being real, I like to get lifted too, so if you can fed-ex some of that greenery we good.

facepalm

Fact is, you don't have anything to say on Necrom's behalf, to imply he any way is > Merlyn.

This is why you're incessantly sticking to Merlyn's incognito behavior as your defense.

I presented Merlyn's feats ...

... stop repeating the same drivel and try use Necrom feats to say something of significance.

Then try and show me WTF GQ is gonna do.

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Merlyn (Post-Energy Matrix) takes a point blank blast from Mad Jim Jaspers 616,
it blows his entire torso/back out of his body:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830596_Merlyn_unkillable.jpg

Merlyn barely reacts to Jaspers' incredible blast and reforms instantly like nothing happened.

Jaspers erased an infinite amount of Captain Britain Corps with a wave of his hand,
leaving literally only a few alive.

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I know, I know, you'll come back with the same gobbledygook referring to Merlyn hiding.

Yet, he doesn't run from Jaspers 616, and calmly manipulates him like he does everyone else.
Mr. M, there's nothing to discuss. Merlyn faked his death, hid from Necrom, used his own daughter as a pawn, and groomed Exaclibur to fight a guy Kylun was giving problems to.

Here it is again, from Merlyn's own mouth :
http://s23.postimg.org/b3nke9imv/essential.jpg
He couldn't even be straight with his own daughter regarding his plan to stop Necrom because it was "essential that Necrom believe him dead".

Matrix Merlyn wanted no part of Necrom even before he merged with the Anti-Phoenix and for sure wanted NO part of him once he could access it's (the PF's) potential once Rachel was stupid enough to engage him. This is all on panel.

Regarding the Celestials, the GF wrecked their entire race in it's reality, and since they are multiversal (thanks to horrible writing), that means she could have done it to the 616 versions because they are all the same being. This was AFTER it devoured the PF of it's reality and killed it's reality's Galactus.

This is the way it is NOW until they're (the Celestials) retconned again down the line by some other writer.

This is Merlyn however you want him vs GF Maddie. GF Maddie would stomp Merlyn.

5th Host contained the GF

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, there's nothing to discuss. Merlyn faked his death, hid
from Necrom, used his own daughter as a pawn, and groomed
Exaclibur to fight a guy Kylun was giving problems to.

Here it is again, from Merlyn's own mouth :
He couldn't even be straight with his own daughter regarding his
plan to stop Necrom because it was "essential that Necrom believe him dead".
Matrix Merlyn wanted no part of Necrom even before he merged
with the Anti-Phoenix and for sure wanted NO part of him once he
could access it's (the PF's) potential once Rachel was stupid enough
to engage him. This is all on panel.
durznuts

So this is your only resort?

Simple question.

How does this make Merlyn weaker?

How does this take away from Merlyn's power/abilities/feats:

AGAIN!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Anyway, Merlyn at his best ...

Merlyn can fuse the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
with little crystals to shatter at will with the CN.

Merlyn can create from Nothingness
an infinite Universe that's a multi-dimensional actuality. (Otherworld)

Merlyn can create the Starlight Citadel, an Omniversal Nexus
that can itself can explode entire universes.

Excalibur team can tap Merlyn's power source,
and reverse a freakin Multiversal collapse and rebuild the
Multiverse entire in one swoop.

Merlyn can merged with his infinite universe Otherworld, and become abstract.

Meggan can absorb the power of Otherwolrd (Merlyn's creation/power base)
and give pause to the incredible Chaos Wave.

Merlyn manipulates the fate of the prime Multiverse
on a chess board for crying out loud.

Merlyn can obliterate an entire Universe with no CN. (Reality-4872)


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Originally posted by zopzop

Regarding the Celestials, the GF wrecked their entire race in it's reality, and
since they are multiversal (thanks to horrible writing), that means she could have
done it to the 616 versions because they are all the same being. This was AFTER
it devoured the PF of it's reality and killed it's reality's Galactus.

This is the way it is NOW until they're (the Celestials) retconned again down the
line by some other writer.

This is Merlyn however you want him vs GF Maddie. GF Maddie would stomp Merlyn.
The Celestials of Alternate Reality-1298 were never "multiversal" so that is 100% false!

Matrix/Merlyn is OMNIVERSAL so even entertaining this ridiculous "multiversal" Celestial notion,
he's still far beyond them, him and her.

------------------------------------------------------


Also, I have to start cracking down on this horse shit cause that one recent issue
isn't going to change Facts that occurred On Panel and are Handbook supported.

Your Goblin Force was born after the Big Bang that gave birth to this Alternate Reality-1298
which is a SINGLE universe and nothing more.

The Goblin Force, like the PF, is a Concept taking form,
the PF in its natural state is a UNIVERSAL Concept, and nothing more.

You're trying to mesh this UNIVERSAL Concept's abilities with another story/arc
completely disconnected 13 Years later via a single issue due to a single story
told about the Celestials suspiciously enough by the Celestials themselves.

Some silly story that contradicts EVERYTHING established up to that point,
even Hickman's entire run makes NO sense if that SINGLE PAGE
in that single book with ZERO backing is true.

We also have to boost several characters to Beyond "multiversal" since you know,
GF ain't the only one to take them down.

Starting with Franklin Richards. facepalm

=====================


Anyway, Merlyn FTW in a stomp!

Universal Creator/Universal Destroyer/Omniversal Nexus
Creator/Universal weapon Destroyer Creator on Omniversal
targeted Realities >>> Solar System buster at full power that taxed his energies (Necrom) or Universal Concept at best (GF)

Won't even mention Maddie, since she was being stalemated by heroes.

Heck,
Dr Strange-1298 by himself stalemated Madelyne/Goblin Queen and her whole crew.

Originally posted by guy222
5th Host contained the GF
The 5th Host was the first of the Celestials to make contact with the GF after everything was said and done the fight ended with the GF contained and the race of Celestials in that universe "devastated" :
http://s7.postimg.org/74ts8oy2f/Mutant_X_Vol_1_12_004.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
durznuts

So this is your only resort?

Simple question.

How does this make Merlyn weaker?

How does this take away from Merlyn's power/abilities/feats:

AGAIN!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Anyway, Merlyn at his best ...

Merlyn can fuse the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
with little crystals to shatter at will with the CN.

Merlyn can create from Nothingness
an infinite Universe that's a multi-dimensional actuality. (Otherworld)

Merlyn can create the Starlight Citadel, an Omniversal Nexus
that can itself can explode entire universes.

Excalibur team can tap Merlyn's power source,
and reverse a freakin Multiversal collapse and rebuild the
Multiverse entire in one swoop.

Merlyn can merged with his infinite universe Otherworld, and become abstract.

Meggan can absorb the power of Otherwolrd (Merlyn's creation/power base)
and give pause to the incredible Chaos Wave.

Merlyn manipulates the fate of the prime Multiverse
on a chess board for crying out loud.

Merlyn can obliterate an entire Universe with no CN. (Reality-4872)


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


The Celestials of Alternate Reality-1298 were never "multiversal" so that is 100% false!

Matrix/Merlyn is OMNIVERSAL so even entertaining this ridiculous "multiversal" Celestial notion,
he's still far beyond them, him and her.

------------------------------------------------------


Also, I have to start cracking down on this horse shit cause that one recent issue
isn't going to change Facts that occurred On Panel and are Handbook supported.

Your Goblin Force was born after the Big Bang that gave birth to this Alternate Reality-1298
which is a SINGLE universe and nothing more.

The Goblin Force, like the PF, is a Concept taking form,
the PF in its natural state is a UNIVERSAL Concept, and nothing more.

You're trying to mesh this UNIVERSAL Concept's abilities with another story/arc
completely disconnected 13 Years later via a single issue due to a single story
told about the Celestials suspiciously enough by the Celestials themselves.

Some silly story that contradicts EVERYTHING established up to that point,
even Hickman's entire run makes NO sense if that SINGLE PAGE
in that single book with ZERO backing is true.

We also have to boost several characters to Beyond "multiversal" since you know,
GF ain't the only one to take them down.

Starting with Franklin Richards. facepalm
None of this means anything Mr. M. As we've seen on panel, he refused to fight Necrom and faked his death and hid even stooping to using his daughter as a pawn as he guided Excalibur into doing his dirty work. And this was Merlyn with full access to the Matrix. I provided you the scans. If you have a problem with this take it up with Alan Davis, I didn't write the thing.

There is no "Celestials of Alternate Reality-1298" there are only Celestials, they are multiversal. This will be the case until the Celestials are retconned. The GF devastated their entire race before it's rampage was finally contain.

Adult Franklin Richards fought against THREE Celestials and that was AFTER Sol's Hammer wrecked their Voltron form and even then he needed 616 Franklin's power to rez Galactus to help him finish off the remaining three. The GF devastated their ENTIRE RACE.

Maddie can't lose.

I posted those scans before good friend. And writers will always change wat another writes. It was goin to b Tiamut, Arishem, Ziran and more Celestials takin on Galactus

Originally posted by zopzop

None of this means anything Mr. M. As we've seen on panel, he
refused to fight Necrom and faked his death and hid even stooping
to using his daughter as a pawn as he guided Excalibur into doing
his dirty work. And this was Merlyn with full access to the Matrix. I
provided you the scans. If you have a problem with this take it up
with Alan Davis, I didn't write the thing.
This could be considered Trolling dude.

You haven't provided anything of consequence concerning how Necrom
or GF/GQ but especially Nercom (since you're so wrapped up in that)
defeat Matrix/Merlyn's powers/feats.

Nothing.

All you keep repeating is how Merlyn didn't want to face Necrom,
so how does that take away from Merlyn's powers/feats?
(regardless of his reasons, we KNOW it was NOT due to lack of power)

Don't dodge the question with more trolling.
Originally posted by zopzop

There is no "Celestials of Alternate Reality-1298" there are only
Celestials, they are multiversal. This will be the case until the
Celestials are retconned. The GF devastated their entire race
before it's rampage was finally contain.
I never knew the Celestials were changed,
or were anything other than what they've been for 30 years.

So who was the Abstract Cosmic that gave us this info?

Not an Abstract? Well, how bout just a Cosmic like the Watcher.

Not a Cosmic either? hmm..

Was it a character that's known to carry cosmically related info
like a Strange or a Warlock or a Thanos?

No? ... wait ... NO!?

So who the hell is making this shit up?

WHAT?

Celestials themselves are the ones vomiting this nonsense
in a SINGLE OFF-mainstream book?

forgetu

Originally posted by zopzop


Maddie can't lose.


Merlyn explodes an entire Universe in her face ftw.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never knew the Celestials were changed,
or were anything other than what they've been for 30 years.

So who was the Abstract Cosmic that gave us this info?

Not an Abstract? Well, how bout just a Cosmic like the Watcher.

Not a Cosmic either? hmm..

Was it a character that's known to carry cosmically related info
like a Strange or a Warlock or a Thanos?

No? ... wait ... NO!?

So who the hell is making this shit up?

WHAT?

Celestials themselves are the ones vomiting this nonsense
in a SINGLE OFF-mainstream book?
Pak's X-termination run repeatedly referred the Celestials as the architects of Creation.

Btw, it's not a Celestial who's saying that shit, it's more like a bunch of mutants downloading Tiamut's memories and gleaning that information from him posthumously.

Anyways, Zop repeatedly referring the Celestials as "multiversal beings" is more because of this:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2131/multiversalcelestials.jpg

You could try and dismiss Beast's explanation as mere theorizing, but the fact that he and Kurt successfully created a portal to the AoA reality by opening a multiversal hole in Tiamut's braincase creates additional problems for your position of dismissing Pak's work on the Celestials.

Originally posted by zopzop

The 5th Host was the first of the Celestials to make contact with
the GF after everything was said and done the fight ended with the
GF contained and the race of Celestials in that universe "devastated" :

http://s7.postimg.org/74ts8oy2f/Mutant_X_Vol_1_12_004.jpg
Funny, how it clearly specifies the 5th Host alone came at the GF,
and contained the GF,
yet, somehow the race was devastated. Makes no sense.
(like the handbook account mentions but then omitting the "race devastation" part)



Perhaps the Celestials of that Alternate Reality were as weak sauce
as the Galactus of that Reality 1298 which the GF took down:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830884_H_vs_G14.jpg

But then again,
a powerLESS Fantastic Four defeated the same Galactus with only brains-guts and sweat"
with a small space cruiser.

... wait,
I thought that Galactus was dead after the GF supposedly killed him.

Love how bull shit always stinks its way through.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Pak's X-termination run repeatedly referred the Celestials as the architects of Creation.

Btw, it's not a Celestial who's saying that shit, it's more like a bunch of
mutants downloading Tiamut's memories and gleaning that
information from him posthumously.

Anyways, Zop repeatedly referring the Celestials as "multiversal
beings" is more because of this:

You could try and dismiss Beast's explanation as mere theorizing, but
the fact that he and Kurt successfully created a portal to the AoA
reality by opening a multiversal hole in Tiamut's braincase creates
additional problems for your position of dismissing Pak's work on the Celestials.
Thanks for that scan. I see it's still a Celestial talking shit! imo.

Taimut's "memories" = Celestials' account or improve of a story.

That aside ...

I actually like the idea that they're all part of a super Celestial,
which could be "multiversal." That fits better and could make sense
and could be introduced into the cosmological make-up of Marvel.
Heck, Scathan could fit that criteria well, perhaps, it's him. lol

But seriously, the way Zop was putting it,
it's as though All Celestials were "multiversal" and that's absurd.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This could be considered Trolling dude.

You haven't provided anything of consequence concerning how Necrom
or GF/GQ but especially Nercom (since you're so wrapped up in that)
defeat Matrix/Merlyn's powers/feats.

Nothing.

All you keep repeating is how Merlyn didn't want to face Necrom,
so how does that take away from Merlyn's powers/feats?
(regardless of his reasons, we KNOW it was NOT due to lack of power)

Don't dodge the question with more trolling.

I never knew the Celestials were changed,
or were anything other than what they've been for 30 years.

So who was the Abstract Cosmic that gave us this info?

Not an Abstract? Well, how bout just a Cosmic like the Watcher.

Not a Cosmic either? hmm..

Was it a character that's known to carry cosmically related info
like a Strange or a Warlock or a Thanos?

No? ... wait ... NO!?

So who the hell is making this shit up?

WHAT?

Celestials themselves are the ones vomiting this nonsense
in a SINGLE OFF-mainstream book?

forgetu




Merlyn explodes an entire Universe in her face ftw.
How is it trolling Mr. M? I just provided you scans of Merlyn hiding and faking his death from the guy that Kylun gave headaches to.

It's right there on panel. The GF took out universal forces and cosmic beings before being contained and even devastated an entire race of multiversal cosmic beings.

PS what issue did you get that Galactus/FF scan from?

@TheGodKiller
There's also that GotG incident that showed the Celestials were multiversal. I forgot who mentioned it in another thread.
EDIT
Found it. I'm referring to this statement :
Originally posted by 753
this multiversal thing isn't new. in gotg, it was stated all celestials across all realities are the same species and share a "quantum" communication network, instantly knowing what the others know or whatever. starlord sent a message to the celestial headquarters this way.

^^ Even if that were true, that doesn't make anyone "multiversal" ..

Yo what's going on with you today?

Or is this the you I've heard about but never confronted?

Or are you messing with me cause you're high?

Originally posted by zopzop

How is it trolling Mr. M? I just provided you scans of Merlyn hiding
and faking his death from the guy that Kylun gave headaches to.

It's right there on panel. The GF took out universal forces and cosmic
beings before being contained and even devastated an entire race of
multiversal cosmic beings.
So Trolling it is. Nice.

It's Trolling cause you enjoy telling me what GF has done,
but you equally enjoy ignoring what Merlyn's done.

I get annoyed with trolls quickly, please debate properly or be ignored.
Originally posted by zopzop

PS what issue did you get that Galactus/FF scan from?

@TheGodKiller
There's also that GotG incident that showed the Celestials were multiversal.
The same run you're hyping up this GF from.

Scans/issue #s of Celestials being noted as "multiversal" anywhere else.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanks for that scan. I see it's still a Celestial talking shit! imo.

Taimut's "memories" = Celestials' account or improve of a story.

That aside ...

I actually like the idea that they're all part of a super Celestial,
which could be "multiversal." That fits better and could make sense
and could be introduced into the cosmological make-up of Marvel.
Heck, Scathan could fit that criteria well, perhaps, it's him. lol

But seriously, the way Zop was putting it,
it's as though All Celestials were "multiversal" and that's absurd.
According to Pak, they're "aspects" of a single multiversal entity.

From what I think, that Super-Celestial is most likely the Jack-Fulcrum/TOAA from Gaiman's run.

Probably also explains their ability to Voltron-merge into a single unit.

Anyways, even from the scan of Tiamut's memories from Astonishing X-Men, individual Celestials aren't multiversal really, because it took an unknown number of then to forge the original prime universe and then shatter it into alternate realities. Based on that, the best we can estimate their current power-levels to be is somewhere between universal to trans-universal.
Originally posted by zopzop
@TheGodKiller
There's also that GotG incident that showed the Celestials were multiversal. I forgot who mentioned it in another thread.
EDIT
Found it. I'm referring to this statement :
I think it's the Knowhere Celestial 753 was referring to. Kind of convenient actually, seeing how Knowhere is supposed to act as an interdimensional teleport station of sorts.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Even if that were true, that doesn't make anyone "multiversal" ..

Yo what's going on with you today?

Or is this the you I've heard about but never confronted?

Or are you messing with me cause you're high?


So Trolling it is. Nice.

It's Trolling cause you enjoy telling me what GF has done,
but you equally enjoy ignoring what Merlyn's done.

I get annoyed with trolls quickly, please debate properly or be ignored.

The same run you're hyping up this GF from.

Scans/issue #s of Celestials being noted as "multiversal" anywhere else.
Who has Merlyn FOUGHT against Mr. M? MJJ's is nice but he's all over the place. Merlyn's feats are nice, but as we've seen, even Skyfather level beings are capable of destroying a universe.

Yes I know it's from Mutant X series but what issue? Galactus made another appearance in that series but it was a mental illusion. I want to check out that issue to see the scan in context.

As of now, the Celestials are the Celestials are the Celestials (there is no 616, 1290, etc.. version). These guys also created the multiverse. The GF devastated an entire race of them (along with it's realities version of the PF and Galactus).

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanks for that scan. I see it's still a Celestial talking shit! imo.

Taimut's "memories" = Celestials' account or improve of a story.

That aside ...

I actually like the idea that they're all part of a super Celestial,
which could be "multiversal." That fits better and could make sense
and could be introduced into the cosmological make-up of Marvel.
Heck, Scathan could fit that criteria well, perhaps, it's him. lol

But seriously, the way Zop was putting it,
it's as though All Celestials were "multiversal" and that's absurd. I was thinking more of a super version of each different Celestial, or perhaps just them all being equal and no super version.

But anyway, here's some relevant details from that arc:
http://i40.tinypic.com/nccdw7.jpg

And here's where it says that the Celestials split the universe into the multiverse, going from Tiamut's memories. From the looks of it, it was 2-4 Celestials that did it. Possibly more off panel:
http://i39.tinypic.com/9ay0bk.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a0lusx.jpg

Which fits in well with what we were told at the start of the arc, where it appears that the universe they were put in became a sort of void likely due to their feeding, and the walls cracking around it:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zp7frq.jpg


Also, I feel like since the 5th Host fought her, that she took like one or two down, which in turn "devastated" their race. I mean, she was fueled by Phoenix, and possibly Galactus. That's a lot of power.

Originally posted by Mr Master
While (Necrom/PF fraction) taxed himself taking out a single solar system one planet at a time.

I know you're making a case against zop but this is false. Necrom 2 shotted a solar system and was no where near taxed. He did this while "hurt and dying" - stated by Rachel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The same run you're hyping up this GF from.

Scans/issue #s of Celestials being noted as "multiversal" anywhere else.
Knowhere and the issues in which the Badoon enslaved the Celestials and an evil Black Bolt detonated the Fault.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Knowhere and the issues in which the Badoon enslaved the Celestials and an evil Black Bolt detonated the Fault.
http://i41.tinypic.com/suvwaw.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/262l475.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/e9cf35.jpg

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

According to Pak, they're "aspects" of a single multiversal entity.

From what I think, that Super-Celestial is most likely the Jack-
Fulcrum/TOAA from Gaiman's run.

Probably also explains their ability to Voltron-merge into a single unit.

Anyways, even from the scan of Tiamut's memories from Astonishing
X-Men, individual Celestials aren't multiversal really, because it
took an unknown number of then to forge the original prime
universe and then shatter it into alternate realities. Based on that,
the best we can estimate their current power-levels to be is
somewhere between universal to trans-universal.

That's more sensible than what Zop was pushing.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift

I was thinking more of a super version of each different
Celestial, or perhaps just them all being equal and no super version.

But anyway, here's some relevant details from that arc:
http://i40.tinypic.com/nccdw7.jpg

And here's where it says that the Celestials split the universe into
the multiverse, going from Tiamut's memories. From the looks of it, it was 2-4 Celestials that did it. Possibly more off panel:
http://i39.tinypic.com/9ay0bk.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a0lusx.jpg

Which fits in well with what we were told at the start of the arc,
where it appears that the universe they were put in became a sort
of void likely due to their feeding, and the walls cracking around it:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zp7frq.jpg

Also, I feel like since the 5th Host fought her, that she took like one
or two down, which in turn "devastated" their race. I mean, she was
fueled by Phoenix, and possibly Galactus. That's a lot of power.

Originally posted by Sundipped

I know you're making a case against zop but this is false.

Necrom 2 shotted a solar system and was no where near taxed.

He did this while "hurt and dying" - stated by Rachel.
I just went over the issue,
and never saw Rachel state Necrom was "hurt and dying"
but he also didn't seem exactly "taxed" so I recant that.

If your claim is true, you'll have to find it for me cause I missed it.

As far as the Solar System goes, it took him 4 pages to destroy it.

And he Never had the power output to outright destroy that Solar System:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831104_R_vs_N1.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master

I just went over the issue,
and never saw Rachel state Necrom was "hurt and dying"
but he also didn't seem exactly "taxed" so I recant that.

If your claim is true, you'll have to find it for me cause I missed it.
http://s18.postimg.org/nveinp7xh/hurt_dying.jpg


Still not bad for someone that had a sliver of the PF and couldn't even access it unless Rachel was using it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Knowhere and the issues in which the Badoon enslaved the
Celestials and an evil Black Bolt detonated the Fault.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i41.tinypic.com/suvwaw.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/262l475.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/e9cf35.jpg
I thought you guys were referring to something else.

This has nothing to do with Celestials being "multiversal."

It does tells us that Celestials can communicate psychically with other Celestials
across Timelines,
and the Celestial head is a Universal Nexus.

That is impressive friends, but this isn't a showcase/depiction or feat
that suggests Celestials are "multiversal" powers
that can warp/affect entire multiple UniverseS or better yet the Multiverse entire.

So, all we got is that silly X issue, where nothing was done, only told,
by Celestials themselves.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I thought you guys were referring to something else.

This has nothing to do with Celestials being "multiversal."

It does tells us that Celestials can communicate psychically with other Celestials
across Timelines,
and the Celestial head is a Universal Nexus.

That is impressive friends, but this isn't a showcase/depiction or feat
that suggests Celestials are "multiversal" powers
that can warp/affect entire multiple UniverseS or better yet the Multiverse entire.

So, all we got is that silly X issue, where nothing was done, only told,
by Celestials themselves. The purpose of this was to establish that all Celestials operate on the same level.

The multiversal part is when they created the multiverse, and sealed their creations in one of the universes they created.
As told before they appeared, and in Tiamut's memories.

But that's a group of them that did in fact canonically create a multiverse.

^^ I understand.

According to who did those Celestials "canonically" create a "multiverse?"

What I saw, was story telling via supposed memories of Taimut's,
in an off-mainstream issue.

Not acceptable imo. I have to see another story/arc vouch for this,
or a handbook certifying this as an event
and not a mind phuk by Taimut for purposes yet to be revealed.

I would've been more inclined to accept this had a Cosmic helped in the re-telling.

Originally posted by zopzop


http://s18.postimg.org/nveinp7xh/hurt_dying.jpg
lol, can't believe I missed that.

But then again, I couldn't imagine who could hurt mighty Nercom.

My bad, I forgot he was "weakened" by Marcomax and Feron.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15831124_Necrom_weak1.jpg

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Oh yes, that's right, it was a single Marcomax stomp on the head:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831120_Anti8.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831121_Anti9.jpg

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And Feron attacking once and blocked, then just BLOCKING Necrom's attack:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831122_Anti7.jpg
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15831123_10.jpg

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That's the only damage his physical form received,
well, if you consider Feron blocking Necrom's attack as a form of attack for Feron.

So this is what caused him to be not only "hurt" but "dying?"

My, my, this Necrom gets more pathetic as we learn.
Originally posted by zopzop

Still not bad for someone that had a sliver of the PF
and couldn't even access it unless Rachel was using it.
Not bad at all. But in comparison with Merlyn's feats, a joke in the truest form.

Originally posted by Mr Master


But then again, I couldn't imagine who could hurt mighty Nercom.

My, my, this Necrom gets more pathetic as we learn.
Yup. See why Maddie stomps Merlyn? He was hiding from this clown. Merlyn didn't even have the excuse of Necrom harnessing the AF because Rachel hadn't unleashed the PF yet.


Merlyn had the entire Matrix, Necrom had a sliver of the PF he couldn't even access unless Rachel used it.

^^ facepalm

Let me know when Merlyn & Necrom battled and Merlyn lost,
or was losing and ran,
otherwise, silence.

===============================


Dr Strange of Reality-1298 stalemates the Goblin Queen and her entire crew:










Then Strange get help from some heroes, the stalemating continues:









In fact,
when Havok decided to destroy the swamp lands
where the Nexus was located in That Reality,
the Goblin Queen RAN for her life out of there:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830920_H_vs_G1.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830921_H_vs_G2.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830922_H_vs_G3.jpg


btw. That was PRIOR to Alex merging with the Nexus of Realities,. and here's the proof:

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ facepalm

Let me know when Merlyn & Necrom battled and Merlyn lost,
or was losing and ran,
otherwise, silence.

===============================


Dr Strange of Reality-1298 stalemates the Goblin Queen and her entire crew:










Then Strange get help from some heroes, the stalemating continues:









In fact,
when Havok decided to destroy the swamp lands
where the Nexus was located in That Reality,
the Goblin Queen RAN for her life out of there:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830920_H_vs_G1.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830921_H_vs_G2.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830922_H_vs_G3.jpg


btw. That was PRIOR to Alex merging with the Nexus of Realities,. and here's the proof:


Let me know why Merlyn was faking his death and hiding like a little beyotch behind his own DAUGHTER if he wasn't afraid to face off vs Necrom.

Regarding those scans, that was the GF at it's weakest. It was slowly regaining it's strength after breaking out of its' containment.

Alex's son then exorcises the weakened GF from Maddie and it lays dormant again until the fight between Cap America and Havok woke it up. It consumes the Beyonder's essence and wrecks the Earth heroes till Havok with the Nexus destroys it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ I understand.

According to who did those Celestials "canonically" create a "multiverse?"

What I saw, was story telling via supposed memories of Taimut's,
in an off-mainstream issue.

Not acceptable imo. I have to see another story/arc vouch for this,
or a handbook certifying this as an event
and not a mind phuk by Taimut for purposes yet to be revealed.

I would've been more inclined to accept this had a Cosmic helped in the re-telling.

Tiamut was literally dead at the time, and she used his memory box to figure out how the creatures were created, and dealt with.

There is no purpose even if Tiamut was alive to lie about creating the multiverse.

Off mainstream is like every cosmic story ever though. I don't see why we shouldn't accept this when you're a fan of bringing up the Cosmic Cube novel.

It could never be brought up again, and it still would have happened. Not liking it doesn't make it false.

The Celestial thing is a canon fact until proven otherwise via other canon material. It is ludicrous to say that an event has to be mentioned at least twice before it can be considered canon. On panel is on panel.

As for this thread: zop's been bringing the pain!

^^ ... took you long enough.
Originally posted by zopzop

Let me know why Merlyn was faking his death and hiding like a
little beyotch behind his own DAUGHTER if he wasn't afraid to face off
vs Necrom.
I don't know? To permit a great 125 issue run plus tie-ins to flow as Marvel Comics?
Or a cool story where heroes do their thing?

It's not real life dude, it's comics.
You can't let go of this and now it's become silly.

Bottomline, did Merlyn hide cause he lacked the power?

Or did he hide cause he had another agenda
as his character/persona/history entails?

What makes more sense to a mind of common sense?

(although, DOES it MATTER in this vs thread, or any other?) NO!


Exaclibur team tapped into Merlyn's power source!

MERLYN'S Power Source! .. what Merlyn was merged to!

(a feat from the same Necrom arc)

And they were able to easily Reverse the Multiversal collapse in session,
and they rebuilt the Multiverse in a swoop simultaneously:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820408_Anti12.jpg


And make no mistake, Brian realized Merlyn was "manipulating" this whole show:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15831156_Merlyn_manipulates.jpg

"Brian, guys, This is all too neat, it can't be coincidence."

"I know. We are being manipulated"

Originally posted by zopzop

Regarding those scans, that was the GF at it's weakest. It was slowly regaining
it's strength after breaking out of its' containment.

Alex's son then exorcises the weakened GF from Maddie and it lays dormant again
until the fight between Cap America and Havok woke it up. It consumes the
Beyonder's essence and wrecks the Earth heroes till Havok with the Nexus
destroys it.
Yea I know the story well, thanx. I'm lowballing now cause I'm having fun,
the seriousness of the debate got trolled away.

GF, merged with the comatose/dormant/helpless corpse of that Beyonder,
which just happened to still contain his power too, so good for her.
Every feat there after is null/void since she got a power-up in an unearned fashion.
In fact, Dr Strange pointed out how that was the reason Havok couldn't outright
destroy the GF before harnessing the Nexus.Originally posted by Branlor Swift

1: Tiamut was literally dead at the time, and she used his memory
box to figure out how the creatures were created, and dealt with.
There is no purpose even if Tiamut was alive to lie about creating the multiverse.

2: Off mainstream is like every cosmic story ever though. I don't see
why we shouldn't accept this when you're a fan of bringing up the
Cosmic Cube novel.

3: It could never be brought up again, and it still would have happened.
Not liking it doesn't make it false.
1: The fact that doesn't make sense is a good one.

2: Absolutely. But separate issues, or even arcs relate similar/or exact information
to cement a claim/tale as true or at the very least as "possible."
The Cosmic Cube novel was referenced across 4 separate Handbook bios,
at Marvel.com in 3 separate bios,
and at Marvunapp in the Alternate UniverseS section.

3: It happened strictly to those particular X fans,
so you're right, if you didn't pick up a copy of that solitary issue,
we'd all still be clinging on to 30 plus years of established Marvel history
concerning Celestials.

Originally posted by Mr Master


I just went over the issue,
and never saw Rachel state Necrom was "hurt and dying"
but he also didn't seem exactly "taxed" so I recant that.

If your claim is true, you'll have to find it for me cause I missed it.

As far as the Solar System goes, it took him 4 pages to destroy it.

And he Never had the power output to outright destroy that Solar System:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831104_R_vs_N1.jpg

Well zop posted the scan you missed.
It only took two pages to do it. First he ignited a planet which resulted in a strong gravitational pull. That's the first shot.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831154_Rachel_Necrom_6.jpg

The second shot was a wave of destruction radiating outwards after Necrom turned it up a notch.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831155_Rachel_Necrom_7.jpg

The power output is shown on panel as well as Rachel stating it. I don't see where you were going by stating he never had the power.

Originally posted by Sundipped

Well zop posted the scan you missed.
It only took two pages to do it.
First he ignited a planet which resulted in a strong gravitational pull. That's the first shot.

The second shot was a wave of destruction radiating outwards
after Necrom turned it up a notch.

The power output is shown on panel as we'll as Rachel stating it.

I don't see where you were going by stating he never had the power.
Mine has more pages to it:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831251_N1.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831252_N2.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831253_N3.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831254_N4.jpg


Also, Rachel clearly states that neither she or Necrom have the power to destroy a solar system:

(this is where I was going)



She's literally saying Necrom used his surroundings to destroy the solar system.

eg. finally igniting the gas giant after destroying some of the solar system
in battle with her.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... took you long enough.

I don't know? To permit a great 125 issue run plus tie-ins to flow as Marvel Comics?
Or a cool story where heroes do their thing?

It's not real life dude, it's comics.
You can't let go of this and now it's become silly.

Bottomline, did Merlyn hide cause he lacked the power?

Or did he hide cause he had another agenda
as his character/persona/history entails?

What makes more sense to a mind of common sense?

(although, DOES it MATTER in this vs thread, or any other?) NO!


Exaclibur team tapped into Merlyn's power source!

MERLYN'S Power Source! .. what Merlyn was merged to!

(a feat from the same Necrom arc)

And they were able to easily Reverse the Multiversal collapse in session,
and they rebuilt the Multiverse in a swoop simultaneously:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820408_Anti12.jpg


And make no mistake, Brian realized Merlyn was "manipulating" this whole show:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15831156_Merlyn_manipulates.jpg

"Brian, guys, This is all too neat, it can't be coincidence."

"I know. We are being manipulated"
Mr. M, OF COURSE he was manipulating them. Just like he used his daughter as a pawn. Just like he faked his death and hid.

He did all this to avoid fighting Necrom directly! That was sort of the point.



Yup, the GF absorbed ALL that power without skipping a beat.

Dr Strange's take on the whole thing :
http://s21.postimg.org/nd0797u6b/80768600vk5.jpg http://s9.postimg.org/eyleu8miz/h1rk4.jpg

This doesn't nullify anything. GF wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
1: The fact that doesn't make sense is a good one.

2: Absolutely. But separate issues, or even arcs relate similar/or exact information
to cement a claim/tale as true or at the very least as "possible."
The Cosmic Cube novel was referenced across 4 separate Handbook bios,
at Marvel.com in 3 separate bios,
and at Marvunapp in the Alternate UniverseS section.

3: It happened strictly to those particular X fans,
so you're right, if you didn't pick up a copy of that solitary issue,
we'd all still be clinging on to 30 plus years of established Marvel history
concerning Celestials. Sure it does. To deal with an absolute threat, they imprisoned beings in the only prison that could hold them when there were no universes around at the time.
Here's the third confirmation in the series from the imprisoned themselves. Obviously lying:
http://i44.tinypic.com/adeo1l.jpg

That makes Tiamut himself remembering it, the beings who were imprisoned, and the narrator stating what happened.

And this arc happened throughout like 5 different X-Men books, including a new series started up just to feature a book or two. This series happened specifically in 616, and AoA:
http://i43.tinypic.com/33az4sl.jpg

And this the canon fact that the Celestials did in fact create the multiverse came out like last month. Let's wait for the bio on that one, because clearly comics don't count for shit. This logic applied to any other book on the stand means that we don't have to accept anything if it's not in a bio.
I wonder how many bios mention Eternity having universes inside himself... actually, I'm curious what the bio says about Phoenix holding a universe...

And more people read X-Men than they ever do of Excalibur. So I guess that makes it more canon than anything that's ever happened in Excalibur?

Right now, your argument is "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, OF COURSE he was manipulating them. Just like he used his
daughter as a pawn. Just like he faked his death and hid.

He did all this to avoid fighting Necrom directly! That was sort of the point.
Nice deflection.

So in your opinion besides All other feats that trump Nercom,

you believe Multiversal rebuilder and collapse reverser < Necrom
solar system buster, and/or Necrom Pre-PF fraction which is even more laughable?
Originally posted by zopzop

Yup, the GF absorbed ALL that power without skipping a beat.

Dr Strange's take on the whole thing

This doesn't nullify anything.
Why are you posting that Beyonder scan with those HYPERBOLIC statements?

That's very misleading unless that's your aim.

Beyonder-1298 merged with Goblin Queen/Force-1298 were planetary at best.

Without that Nexus withIN Havok, no where near to being a reality buster,
yet you think this power defeated "multiversal" powers. lol


So, I still haven't seen a damn thing that proves
Necrom's power was greater than Merlyn's.

That goes for the GQF too.

--------------------------------------------------


Anyway, just another of the many feats.

Merlyn doing what either of them wish they could do.

Merlyn effortlessly expands his awareness
and becomes one with the Universe to find Brian,
who was being pulled by the currents of Infinity:

http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13408411_OtherW4.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13409149_OtherW5-.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831287_Merlyn_Uni.jpg

"Beyond the veil of Earthly Time & Space ... into the great Void"

"Become One with the great depths of Space"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Mine has more pages to it:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831251_N1.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831252_N2.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831253_N3.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831254_N4.jpg

Yeah.....so many that you missed Rachel stating he was dying and weak.
But seriously, the first 2 scans was just him shooting magma from a planet core at Rachel. The solar system busting begins with the last panel of the second scan.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Also, Rachel clearly states that neither she or Necrom have the power to destroy a solar system:

(this is where I was going)



She's literally saying Necrom used his surroundings to destroy the solar system.

eg. finally igniting the gas giant after destroying some of the solar system
in battle with her.

She said "I don't think" he has the power. On panel, it was shown so there's that. The second shot didn't have anything to do with using any surroundings.

Not that it would have any bearing on you and zops discussion.......I just wanted to clear that little bit up. Carry on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Anyway, just another of the many feats.

Merlyn doing what either of them wish they could do.

Merlyn effortlessly expands his awareness
and becomes one with the Universe to find Brian,
who was being pulled by the currents of Infinity:

http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13408411_OtherW4.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13409149_OtherW5-.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15831259_Merlyn_Uni.jpg

"Beyond the veil of Earthly Time & Space ... into the great Void"

"Become One with the great depths of Space" I'd like to see the bio mentioning this please.

^^ ... You're the best.
Originally posted by Sundipped

Yeah.....so many that you missed Rachel stating he was dying and weak.
Yea. Especially after I posted what made him "hurt" to the point of "dying" (up top)
you'd see how forgetful it could be.

He got stomped on the head once by Macromax.
He blocked one blast from Feron, then Feron just block his blast for a while.

Physically? That's it.

I would too. so I'm with ya.
Originally posted by Sundipped

But seriously, the first 2 scans was just him shooting magma
from a planet core at Rachel. The solar system busting begins with
the last panel of the second scan.

She said "I don't think" he has the power. On panel, it was
shown so there's that. The second shot didn't have anything to do
with using any surroundings.
I have to disagree here.

Why would Claremont have Rachel witness the whole thing,
and then have her ignorant about what just happened?

It's clear the gas giant wasn't destroyed yet:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831254_N4.jpg

Rachel shot a flare at him from the gas giant,
and the battle field never moved, from that point the gas giant exploded.

She said the solar system was destroyed
and neither herself or Necrom has the juice to do it.
She then gives us a reason why she came to this conclusion.
The conclusion being that Necrom used his surroundings against her,
instead of direct assaults.

If he could explode the solar system with one blast or whatever,
why waste time throwing moons at her or overloading unstable gas giants,
instead of a direct solar system scale shattering blast?

You feel me Sund. I believe that's what she meant.

Originally posted by Mr Master

1: The fact that doesn't make sense is a good one.

2: Absolutely. But separate issues, or even arcs relate similar/or exact information
to cement a claim/tale as true or at the very least as "possible."
The Cosmic Cube novel was referenced across 4 separate Handbook bios,
at Marvel.com in 3 separate bios,
and at Marvunapp in the Alternate UniverseS section.

3: It happened strictly to those particular X fans,
so you're right, if you didn't pick up a copy of that solitary issue,
we'd all still be clinging on to 30 plus years of established Marvel history
concerning Celestials.

This is ridiculous. You're attempting to ignore an on-panel flash back because you don't like it and it doesn't fit into what you think the hierarchy should be.

Handbook confirmation? Lawlz, might as well just call it PIS. At least that doesn't make you look looney.

^^ You have no idea what's going on here,
so I'm not getting why you're jumping in.

Also, you sound eerily familiar making accusations like that. hmm

Another personal attack gets reported.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Sure it does. To deal with an absolute threat, they imprisoned
beings in the only prison that could hold them when there were no
universes around at the time.
Here's the third confirmation in the series from the imprisoned
themselves. Obviously lying:

That makes Tiamut himself remembering it, the beings who were
imprisoned, and the narrator stating what happened.

And this arc happened throughout like 5 different X-Men books,
including a new series started up just to feature a book or two. This
series happened specifically in 616, and AoA:

And this the canon fact that the Celestials did in fact create the
multiverse came out like last month. Let's wait for the bio on that
one, because clearly comics don't count for shit. This logic applied
to any other book on the stand means that we don't have to accept
anything if it's not in a bio.
I wonder how many bios mention Eternity having universes inside
himself... actually, I'm curious what the bio says about Phoenix
holding a universe...

And more people read X-Men than they ever do of Excalibur. So I
guess that makes it more canon than anything that's ever
happened in Excalibur?

Right now, your argument is "I don't like it, it didn't happen."
... This happens to you often. You go nuts and your point gets tossed
in a soup of sense and rant.

I never stated that an event or feat has to be referenced in a bio,
so that right there tells me you're posting clinching your jaw
which leads to lack of attention.

Anyway, review my posts carefully cause this isn't the first time
you let off a tangent base on ill-assumpstions concerning my posts
or refer to Godkiller for what I said cause while I love ya,
I'm not in the mood for ya right now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... You're the best.

Yea. Especially after I posted what made him "hurt" to the point of "dying" (up top)
you'd see how forgetful it could be.

He got stomped on the head once by Macromax.
He blocked one blast from Feron, then Feron just block his blast for a while.

Physically? That's it.

I would too. so I'm with ya.

I have to disagree here.

Why would Claremont have Rachel witness the whole thing,
and then have her ignorant about what just happened?

It's clear the gas giant wasn't destroyed yet:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15831254_N4.jpg

Rachel shot a flare at him from the gas giant,
and the battle field never moved, from that point the gas giant exploded.

She said the solar system was destroyed
and neither herself or Necrom has the juice to do it.
She then gives us a reason why she came to this conclusion.
The conclusion being that Necrom used his surroundings against her,
instead of direct assaults.

If he could explode the solar system with one blast or whatever,
why waste time throwing moons at her or overloading unstable gas giants,
instead of a direct solar system scale shattering blast?
You feel me Sund. I believe that's what she meant.


Meh, the method only took 2 pages.
Rachel still says "I don't think".
Just cause he's having fun fighting Rachel in this manner doesn't mean a greater display can't be shown. The fight was drawn out over an extended period to show a steady increase in Necroms power output. Can't have every fight just be a solar system/galaxy/universe buster ko.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... This happens to you often. You get wined up and your point gets tossed
in a soup of sense and rant.

I never stated that an event or feat has to be referenced in a bio,
so that right there tells me you're posting clinching your jaw
which leads to lack of attention.

Anyway, review my posts carefully cause this isn;t the first time
you let off a tangent base on ill-assumpstions concerning my posts
or refer to Godkiller for what I said cause while I love ya,
I'm not in the mood for ya right now. Your other points were that it was just Tiamut referencing it, which wasn't true since it was Tiamut's memories, and that it was confirmed by the narrator and the beings themselves. Which I answered in the post you quoted.

That it was only told... even though 3 difference sources confirmed it.

That it happened in a lesser known book. Which is ridiculous, and applies to almost every cosmic "feat"

And that it hasn't been mentioned in a bio, or in another arc. Which again, is ridiculous, and just was told last month. You brought up wanting a bio or a separate arc for it because you thought Tiamut was mind phucking (even though he was dead). Which leads back to the top of my post.
Not acceptable imo. I have to see another story/arc vouch for this,
or a handbook certifying this as an event
and not a mind phuk by Taimut for purposes yet to be revealed.


I answered all your possible reasons for not accepting it. You chose to focus on the bio angle. So ya, don't clench your jaw while posting; that leads to inattention.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Meh, the method only took 2 pages.
Rachel still says "I don't think".
Just cause he's having fun fighting Rachel in this manner doesn't mean a greater display can't be shown. The fight was drawn out over an extended period to show a steady increase in Necroms power output. Can't have every fight just be a solar system/galaxy/universe buster ko.
It has more to do with Rachel being a total IDIOT with her knowledge of the PF and it's power.

Look what Necrom and Mastermind and even alt reality Franklin Richards accomplished with PORTIONS of her power.

Freaking Mastermind achieved oneness with the universe.

Originally posted by Sundipped

Meh, the method only took 2 pages.

Rachel still says "I don't think".

Just cause he's having fun fighting Rachel in this manner doesn't mean
a greater display can't be shown. The fight was drawn out over an
extended period to show a steady increase in Necroms power output.
I still disagree. And I know she said "I don't think"
but then right after she gave her reasons why that "think" should be a "know."

She literally explained in detail what Necrom was doing,
unless you think he was "drawing out" the fight for us.



Come on Sund, you a true debater,
you know the context in dialogue with Rachel signifies this.

Originally posted by Sundipped

Can't have every fight just be a solar system/galaxy/universe buster ko.
I totaly agree. But this particular case has nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Your other points were that it was just Tiamut referencing it,
which wasn't true since it was Tiamut's memories, and that it was
confirmed by the narrator and the beings themselves. Which I
answered in the post you quoted.

That it was only told... even though 3 difference sources confirmed it.

That it happened in a lesser known book. Which is ridiculous, and
applies to almost every cosmic "feat"

And that it hasn't been mentioned in a bio, or in another arc. Which
again, is ridiculous, and just was told last month. You brought up
wanting a bio or a separate arc for it because you thought Tiamut
was mind phucking (even though he was dead). Which leads back
to the top of my post.
Not acceptable imo. I have to see another story/arc vouch for this,
or a handbook certifying this as an event
and not a mind phuk by Taimut for purposes yet to be revealed.

I answered all your possible reasons for not accepting it.
You chose to focus on the bio angle.
You're still stuck on me only accepting bios,
therefore we're still not on the same page.

Your scans didn't prove anything to me (or rather didn't solidify anything)
concerning Celestials creating the infinity of universeS of the prime Multiverse.

But yea, it's early, so I guess time will tell.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I still disagree. And I know she said "I don't think"
but then right after she gave her reasons why that "think" should be a "know."

She literally explained in detail what Necrom was doing,
unless you think he was "drawing out" the fight for us.



Come on Sund, you a true debater,
you know the context in dialogue with Rachel signifies this.


I totaly agree. But this particular case has nothing to do with that.

I guess I'll let you have the last word on this one primarily because a certain green leafy substance + mother's day food = a sleepy Sundipped.

Good day sir.

^^ ... I'm right behind ya brah ... stoned

... sowa dizal in affect over here ...

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're still stuck on me only accepting bios,
therefore we're still not on the same page.

Your scans didn't prove anything to me (or rather didn't solidify anything)
concerning Celestials creating the infinity of universeS of the prime Multiverse.

But yea, it's early, so I guess time will tell. Ya. Anyway, here's 4 completely separate points from the post you said I was only focused on your bio angle (ignoring the last post from mine where I specifically separate them...):
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Sure it does. To deal with an absolute threat, they imprisoned beings in the only prison that could hold them when there were no universes around at the time.
Here's the third confirmation in the series from the imprisoned themselves. Obviously lying:
http://i44.tinypic.com/adeo1l.jpg

That makes Tiamut himself remembering it, the beings who were imprisoned, and the narrator stating what happened.

And this arc happened throughout like 5 different X-Men books, including a new series started up just to feature a book or two. This series happened specifically in 616, and AoA:
http://i43.tinypic.com/33az4sl.jpg

And this the canon fact that the Celestials did in fact create the multiverse came out like last month. Let's wait for the bio on that one, because clearly comics don't count for shit. This logic applied to any other book on the stand means that we don't have to accept anything if it's not in a bio.
I wonder how many bios mention Eternity having universes inside himself... actually, I'm curious what the bio says about Phoenix holding a universe...

And more people read X-Men than they ever do of Excalibur. So I guess that makes it more canon than anything that's ever happened in Excalibur?

Right now, your argument is "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

So yeah, you should take your own advice on that one. Don't clench your jaw.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ You have no idea what's going on here,
so I'm not getting why you're jumping in.

Also, you sound eerily familiar making accusations like that. hmm

Another personal attack gets reported. Ikr? Whadda hateful sock... Calling you "looney" and all.

I've had my eye on that guy since day one. I'll catch him slipping one day.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I guess I'll let you have the last word on this one primarily because a certain green leafy substance + mother's day food = a sleepy Sundipped.

Good day sir. Atropa belladonna?

If you're sleepy from that, you're probably just dying.

^^ I see it's band wagon time. lol ... yall hav fun wit yurselvz.

... peace and love.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Ya. Anyway, here's 4 completely separate points from the post you
said I was only focused on your bio angle (ignoring the last post from
mine where I specifically separate them...
The 616 scan is pointless,
I never suggested that line of X-Men is not canon to 616.

Also,
the other scan, so did these Celestials build the "walls" between universes,
or the universes themselves?

This scan you're presenting tells us it was the "walls."

Which is still very impressive if that's what he means.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift

So yeah, you should take your own advice on that one.
Don't clench your jaw.
Stick to the debate.

When I said that, your were being a wild man,
now you've eased down and it's so much better. So no need for the extra.

Originally posted by Galan007

Ikr? Whadda hateful sock... Calling you "looney" and all.
What happened?

You're back to being a dick again?

I thought we were past this in that other thread,
now you're back to highlighting my posts just to poke fun at them?

Stop trolling, it's unbecoming of you, and old.

Originally posted by Mr Master

What happened?

You're back to being a dick again?

I thought we were past this in that other thread,
now you're back to highlighting my posts just to poke fun at them?

Stop trolling, it's unbecoming of you, and old. If anyone is trolling, it's you. I'm not being a dick, I'm just telling you that it is trolling when you try to argue that a canon occurrence from a canon comic isn't actually canon unless it's referenced in at least two canon sources. Frankly, that is laughably absurd, and I don't know where you came up with such a notion..? On panel is on panel. Until something is released that directly contradicts the Celestial thing, then it's as canon as it gets. Deal with it.

Did the Goblin Queen control goblins?

She controlled Orks, iirc.

Stupid ***** loses then.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ You have no idea what's going on here,
so I'm not getting why you're jumping in.

Also, you sound eerily familiar making accusations like that. hmm

Another personal attack gets reported.

My bad, this was clearly a private discussion and not a public forum where I could read what lead up to this post.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend your delicate sensibilities, I hope I didn't upset you too much. While we're on the topic of reporting, I better let the mods know of some trolling.

I reported him for you MM, you shouldn't have to deal with his childish antics.

Rage is no zop, that's for sure.

This eye-opening thread has shown me the error of my ways. I'll know better than to ever call someone looney again.

You're lucky MM didn't smack you right in your smart mouth.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6kVzKzam-fE/TWXdM70-GcI/AAAAAAAAAd4/qiYxNR8jKGw/s1600/Thor+Tear.jpg

edit ... Rage just made me laugh ...

No need to fuel the hate here.

I'm done. stoned

^ If that isn't what you were saying, then you need to be a lot clearer. As I'm sure you've noticed, I am not the only one who 'got that' from your posts. /shrug

You edited! Why do you have to take the wind out of my sails like that, Mr M?

^^ We could've ruled the forums of the Cyberverse together.

^ Reported for being high as phuck.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15831441_High.jpg

lol

Off topic ...

Don't know if yall know about this, but badass movie coming out:

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/pacificrim/

.. of the two options, Check out the Trailer and skip the con footage.

Wow, this pumps me up when I watch it full screen and loud!

Enjoy and nite, nite friends.

should b good

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ I see it's band wagon time. lol ... yall hav fun wit yurselvz.

... peace and love.


The 616 scan is pointless,
I never suggested that line of X-Men is not canon to 616.

Also,
the other scan, so did these Celestials build the "walls" between universes,
or the universes themselves?

This scan you're presenting tells us it was the "walls."

Which is still very impressive if that's what he means.

Stick to the debate.

When I said that, your were being a wild man,
now you've eased down and it's so much better. So no need for the extra.


What happened?

You're back to being a dick again?

I thought we were past this in that other thread,
now you're back to highlighting my posts just to poke fun at them?

Stop trolling, it's unbecoming of you, and old. most comics don't flesh out every detail of their feat, especially when dealing with alt versions and an alt reality. This one did.
It's also relevant because every detail again is covered. There's literally nothing a bio could add.

They would have built the walls when they copied and split off the 616 verse. Everything. Which is impressive that they accounted for the split and covered the multiverse being based off the original
Really, this feat went more in depth than most other feats you're going to see of the same nature.

No needing to assume of what they did. Plus it also helped with the alt Celestials, so there's that

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Atropa belladonna?

If you're sleepy from that, you're probably just dying.

Well I'm back today so let's say that wasn't the substance in question.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... I'm right behind ya brah ... stoned

... sowa dizal in affect over here ...

I'm the kush monsta.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Reported for being high as phuck.

SNITCH ALERT!

yall need to share haha