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Who wins this?

Classic Beyonder>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Death>Nekron

Classic Beyonder 100000000/10.

Classic Beyonder was more powerful than the entire MU. Nekron can't win.

which one is worse death or nekron? or r they the same thing

What do you mean "worse"?

Nekron is both a death (ruler of 1/3 of the afterlife where ALL souls pass through on their way to either Heaven or Hell) and an oblivion abstract (the sentient blackness before creation and the void between atoms and planets).

As impressive as he is, he's still no match for the Classic Beyonder. Classic Beyonder can't lose this.

Beyonder, spite.

i know beyonder wins the only thing i can think of thats even a close match for him is LT but i just wanted to know the difference with death from mu and nekron if they were the same thing just for different companies i guess theres a little twist

death of the endless is the true personification of death in DC not Nekron.

Originally posted by operator616
death of the endless is the true personification of death in DC not Nekron.
Proof?

Originally posted by operator616
death of the endless is the true personification of death in DC not Nekron.

This was the case when the Endless were created, but other writers have since blurred the lines and made cases for and against Death of the Endless.

So it's a grey area, really.

Nekron isnt death. It's the personification of the void, the darkness, the shadow that was given life when life started in the universe.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Nekron isnt death. It's the personification of the void, the darkness, the shadow that was given life when life started in the universe.

Nekron's first appearance wasn't Blackest Night. He made a few appearances as ruler of one of the possible afterlife destinations as Zop mentioned.

IIRC it wasn't actually until Blackest Night that there was any mention of his Void/Oblivion status in addition to Death

Originally posted by Cogito
Nekron's first appearance wasn't Blackest Night. He made a few appearances as ruler of one of the possible afterlife destinations as Zop mentioned.

IIRC it wasn't actually until Blackest Night that there was any mention of his Void/Oblivion status in addition to Death I know that, yet it doesn't change the fact that John changed all that with a retcon.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I know that, yet it doesn't change the fact that John changed all that with a retcon.

Johns didn't take anything away, he just added. If anything, Nekron's command of the dead in Blackest Night reaffirmed that position

Originally posted by Cogito
Johns didn't take anything away, he just added. If anything, Nekron's command of the dead in Blackest Night reaffirmed that position He didn't command the dead. They were not alive nor was it the real people that he revived.

Originally posted by Cogito
This was the case when the Endless were created, but other writers have since blurred the lines and made cases for and against Death of the Endless.

So it's a grey area, really.

give examples.

Originally posted by operator616
give examples.
It doesn't work that way. You stated she was the one and only Death.

Here is on panel evidence stating otherwise :
http://s16.postimg.org/sbakzrhw1/1340041_untitled.jpg http://s24.postimg.org/gaszkh29t/captainatom.jpg http://s23.postimg.org/d2frzbi5z/Nekron_007.jpg

There are at least three faces of the Death abstract in DC : Black Racer - Death as Inevitability, Death of the Endless - Death as Compassionate Release, Nekron - Death as Cosmic Certainty AND Death as the Ultimate Foe.

Ok now your turn.

Beyonder makes Nekron a drink. Soon as he drinks it he is instantly owned.

Originally posted by zopzop
It doesn't work that way. You stated she was the one and only Death.

Here is on panel evidence stating otherwise :
http://s16.postimg.org/sbakzrhw1/1340041_untitled.jpg http://s24.postimg.org/gaszkh29t/captainatom.jpg http://s23.postimg.org/d2frzbi5z/Nekron_007.jpg

There are at least three faces of the Death abstract in DC : Black Racer - Death as Inevitability, Death of the Endless - Death as Compassionate Release, Nekron - Death as Cosmic Certainty AND Death as the Ultimate Foe.

Ok now your turn.

i admit this evidence is new to me, and this looks old, are you sure this hasn't been retconned yet? because death of the endless is way above black racer, it's logical to assume that she has more authority than him.

poor nekron

Originally posted by operator616
i admit this evidence is new to me, and this looks old, are you sure this hasn't been retconned yet? because death of the endless is way above black racer, it's logical to assume that she has more authority than him.
I've never seen this retconned on panel.

Writer's comments (aka butthurt Gaiman) don't count.

Beyonder.



With spite I might add.

Originally posted by zopzop
I've never seen this retconned on panel.

Writer's comments (aka butthurt Gaiman) don't count.

lol.

This is 100% because Hickman's pissing on that shitty Starbrand item and having a ball with off-panel comments

Originally posted by zopzop
It doesn't work that way. You stated she was the one and only Death.

Here is on panel evidence stating otherwise :
http://s16.postimg.org/sbakzrhw1/1340041_untitled.jpg http://s24.postimg.org/gaszkh29t/captainatom.jpg http://s23.postimg.org/d2frzbi5z/Nekron_007.jpg

There are at least three faces of the Death abstract in DC : Black Racer - Death as Inevitability, Death of the Endless - Death as Compassionate Release, Nekron - Death as Cosmic Certainty AND Death as the Ultimate Foe.

Ok now your turn.

I've seen this before but that last page has something new I just spotted. Lower right hand corner has a hooded figure. Mistress Death?

Originally posted by curryman
lol.

This is 100% because Hickman's pissing on that shitty Starbrand item and having a ball with off-panel comments
This has nothing to do with that clown Hickman. Gaiman literally cried like a little girl when DC came out with Blackest Night and solidified Nekron's "Death Abstract" (among other things) status.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I've seen this before but that last page has something new I just spotted. Lower right hand corner has a hooded figure. Mistress Death?
No, I think it was Captain Atom's wife/girlfriend. He was on some sort of vision quest to come back to life because he was killed before it was his time. So he was going through the various aspects of Death, culminating in Nekron.

The hooded figure is neither Mistress Death of his girlfriend. Its Destiny of the Endless who was helping Captain Atom along his life's path.

Originally posted by zopzop
I've never seen this retconned on panel.

Writer's comments (aka butthurt Gaiman) don't count. Books of Magic showed us that Death of the Endless is the last concept left when the universe comes to an end:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15847267/1.jpg.html
So even IF you want to try to argue that there are still multiple personifications of Death in DC, Death of the Endless is clearly the most powerful/important among them, given that she is the last thing left when creation itself comes to an end.


As for where Nekron stands in relation to Death of the Endless, I've always found this scene quite telling:

Lex: "The attack of the Black Lanterns! The dead rising! That's what this is about, isn't it? It was you behind that!"
Death of the Endless: "Oh yeah. I noticed that. It looked like they were all having a great time. You know, people do come back from the dead. It's not a big deal... I AM kind of busy.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349492_06.jpg

Lex: "The dead have come back to life! Several of them!"
Death of the Endless: "It happens! In the end, they ALL come back to ME.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349494_07.jpg


Death seemed to treat the entire Blackest Night affair like it was an insignificant event that barely warranted her notice. Funny.

Which pretty much confirms that Nekron=/=Death.

Originally posted by Galan007
Books of Magic showed us that Death of the Endless is the last concept left when the universe comes to an end:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15847267/1.jpg.html
So even IF you want to try to argue that there are still multiple personifications of Death in DC, Death of the Endless is clearly the most powerful/important among them, given that she is the last thing left when creation itself comes to an end.


As for where Nekron stands in relation to Death of the Endless, I've always found this scene quite telling:

Lex: "The attack of the Black Lanterns! The dead rising! That's what this is about, isn't it? It was you behind that!"
Death of the Endless: "Oh yeah. I noticed that. It looked like they were all having a great time. You know, people do come back from the dead. It's not a big deal... I AM kind of busy.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349492_06.jpg

Lex: "The dead have come back to life! Several of them!"
Death of the Endless: "It happens! In the end, they ALL come back to ME.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349494_07.jpg


Death seemed to treat the entire Blackest Night affair like it was an insignificant event that barely warranted her notice. Funny.

Was waiting for you to bring this

It's messed up. Too many retcons and writers that can't agree.

Originally posted by Galan007
Books of Magic showed us that Death of the Endless is the last concept left when the universe comes to an end:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15847267/1.jpg.html
So even IF you want to try to argue that there are still multiple personifications of Death in DC, Death of the Endless is clearly the most powerful/important among them, given that she is the last thing left when creation itself comes to an end.
Hold on one second!

You're telling me Death as Compassionate Release aka Death of the Endless is the one to turn out the lights of a universe whose time has come/run it's course leaving behind nothing but a black, lifeless void?

Good thing there isn't an Aspect of Death that existed in such a black lifeless void, wants to return the universe to such a state, and is known as Death as Cosmic Certainty or else you'd have a point.

Oh wait..........there is. It's called Nekron.


Yup. What business does Death as Compassionate Release have with Death as Cosmic Certainty/Ultimate Foe? Aside from the fact that both of them are Aspects of Death, none.

Exactly like it was stated in the Captain Atom issue, Death is a big concept, it has many faces. Death of the Endless is just one of those faces. I don't have to bother with the scan, you saw it already.

***** Also love the fact that she never showed her face during the entire Blackest Night event and only opened her mouth once Nekron was banished back to his kingdom.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Which pretty much confirms that Nekron=/=Death.
Nope, pretty much confirms that Nekron, like Black Racer, like Death of the Endless, are different aspects of Death which is, according to Death of the Endless, a big concept.

Originally posted by Galan007
Books of Magic showed us that Death of the Endless is the last concept left when the universe comes to an end:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15847267/1.jpg.html
So even IF you want to try to argue that there are still multiple personifications of Death in DC, Death of the Endless is clearly the most powerful/important among them, given that she is the last thing left when creation itself comes to an end.


As for where Nekron stands in relation to Death of the Endless, I've always found this scene quite telling:

Lex: "The attack of the Black Lanterns! The dead rising! That's what this is about, isn't it? It was you behind that!"
Death of the Endless: "Oh yeah. I noticed that. It looked like they were all having a great time. You know, people do come back from the dead. It's not a big deal... I AM kind of busy.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349492_06.jpg

Lex: "The dead have come back to life! Several of them!"
Death of the Endless: "It happens! In the end, they ALL come back to ME.":
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12349494_07.jpg


Death seemed to treat the entire Blackest Night affair like it was an insignificant event that barely warranted her notice. Funny.

Originally posted by zopzop
Hold on one second!

You're telling me Death as Compassionate Release aka Death of the Endless is the one to turn out the lights of a universe whose time has come/run it's course leaving behind nothing but a black, lifeless void?

Good thing there isn't an Aspect of Death that existed in such a black lifeless void, wants to return the universe to such a state, and is known as Death as Cosmic Certainty or else you'd have a point.

Oh wait..........there is. It's called Nekron. Lol, it is confirmed on panel that Death of the Endless is the ONLY 'thing' that remains when creation ends-- not Death of the Endless + Nekron. You can't argue with on panel, nor can you place your own interpretations on clearly-stated canon material.

Originally posted by zopzop
Also love the fact that she never showed her face during the entire Blackest Night event and only opened her mouth once Nekron was banished back to his kingdom. *sighs*

The entire event was beneath her notice, dood. She made it quite clear that Nekron's tangent "wasn't a big deal." Why? Because, "they ALL come back to her in the end."

That said, I'm sure that you'll just respond to me with nonsensical BS, because it is exceedingly difficult to pry you from Nekron's bone... So don't expect me to respond again.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, it is confirmed on panel that Death of the Endless is the ONLY 'thing' that remains when creation ends-- not Death of the Endless + Nekron. You can't argue with on panel, nor can you place your own interpretations on clearly-stated canon material. You might not want to believe it, but canon>zop's opinion.
The ONLY thing to remain is a black, lifeless void right?
http://s21.postimg.org/x1rdu23sj/nekron_space_atoms.jpg
Has that been retconned?



Yup, beneath her, that's why she only showed her face when it was all over?

And of course they come back to "her". She' Death as Compassionate Release, one of the many aspects of Death. Living things die and then their souls go to Nekron on their way to final judgement :
http://s14.postimg.org/mo2057tod/Nekron_003.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop

The ONLY thing to remain is a black, lifeless void right?
http://s21.postimg.org/x1rdu23sj/nekron_space_atoms.jpg
Has that been retconned? So when creation ends, Nekron exits his realm and overtakes the empty void of space where creation used to be? Where was that stated?

Because in the scan I posted, Death of the Endless very clearly says that she is the ONLY thing left.

Originally posted by Galan007
So when creation ends, Nekron exits his realm and overtakes the empty void where creation used to be? Where was that stated?
Creation doesn't end. It loops :
http://s21.postimg.org/ab5a4d1o3/eternal_darkness.jpg
Nekron is the sentient darkness and the void before life returns to the universe, then he's banished back to Purgatory.

Originally posted by Galan007
That said, I'm sure that you'll just respond to me with nonsensical BS, because it is exceedingly difficult to pry you from Nekron's bone... So don't expect me to respond again. I laffed.

Originally posted by zopzop

The ONLY thing to remain is a black, lifeless void right?
http://s21.postimg.org/x1rdu23sj/nekron_space_atoms.jpg
Has that been retconned?

So Nekron being a vacuum somehow equates to him being a literal void? Do you even know what a void is? Spaceless, timeless, immaterial. Two of which are criteria that Nekron does not even fulfill.

I'll lol in advance at your incoming flimsy flop of an argument.

Originally posted by Galan007
So when creation ends, Nekron exits his realm and overtakes the empty void of space where creation used to be? Where was that stated?

Because in the scan I posted, Death of the Endless very clearly says that she is the ONLY thing left. Originally posted by zopzop
Creation doesn't end. It loops :
http://s21.postimg.org/ab5a4d1o3/eternal_darkness.jpg
Nekron is the sentient darkness and the void before life returns to the universe, then he's banished back to Purgatory. You didn't answer my question, dear zop.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So Nekron being a vacuum somehow equates to him being a literal void? Do you even know what a void is? Spaceless, timeless, immaterial. Two of which are criteria that Nekron does not even fulfill.

I'll lol in advance at your incoming flimsy flop of an argument.
Exactly like the conditions that pre-existed the universe?
http://s21.postimg.org/ab5a4d1o3/eternal_darkness.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
You didn't answer my question, dear zop.
Nekron's realm exists outside the physical universe. It has nothing to do with the lifeless void that is left behind when Endless Death does her thing.

With the Light gone, Nekron reasserts himself in the physical universe.

Originally posted by zopzop
With the Light gone, Nekron reasserts himself in the physical universe. Nekron cannot break free of his dimension and enter the mainstream universe on his own-- he has never been able to(even during Blackest Night.) Want scans?

So again: where has it been stated that Nekron is able to 'reassert' himself in the universe after it is destroyed?

Nekron needed black hand to cross over, if all things are dead, hope does he cross over.

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly like the conditions that pre-existed the universe?
http://s21.postimg.org/ab5a4d1o3/eternal_darkness.jpg
The scan outright says that the universe isn't timeless, as there is no beginning or end to the universe.

Your flimsy comeback is still a flimsy comeback.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nekron cannot break free of his dimension and enter the mainstream universe on his own-- he has never been able to(even during Blackest Night.) Want scans?

So again: where has it been stated that Nekron is able to 'reassert' himself in the universe after it is destroyed?
http://s23.postimg.org/kl4hbzgzr/return.jpg
Nekron was the sentient darkness in mainstream reality till Light/Life/Mater showed up. Once the Light/Life/Matter is gone, the universe returns to it's rightful tenants. The darkness/void/Nekron.

Endless Death does Nekron's work for him.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The scan outright says that the universe isn't timeless, as there is no beginning or end to the universe.

Your flimsy comeback is still a flimsy comeback.
Earlier the writer stated it was a void till matter/light/life appeared. Take it up with him and stop acting like 12 year old.

Originally posted by zopzop
http://s23.postimg.org/kl4hbzgzr/return.jpg
Nekron was the sentient darkness in mainstream reality till Light/Life/Mater showed up. Once the Light/Life/Matter is gone, the universe returns to it's rightful tenants. The darkness/void/Nekron.

Endless Death does Nekron's work for him. That was what Nekron planned to do after he'd already been released from his dimension. If he isn't released when the universe comes to an end, then he isn't going to 'reassert' himself anywhere.

Anyway, when creation comes to an end, Death of the Endless will be the ONLY 'thing'/concept left-- this was confirmed on panel. Then it's just a matter of Death 'locking creation behind her' and returning to her realm. Nekron doesn't play a part in that.

Originally posted by Galan007
That was what Nekron planned to do after he'd already been released from his dimension. If he isn't released when the universe comes to an end, then he isn't going to 'reassert' himself anywhere.

Anyway, when creation comes to an end, Death of the Endless will be the ONLY 'thing'/concept left-- this was confirmed on panel. Then it's just a matter of her 'locking creation behind her' and returning to her realm. Nekron doesn't play a part in that. thumb up

Dude, he wasn't imprisoned/banished till AFTER the Light/Life/Matter asserted itself. He was trying to get the universe back to it's void/black/matterless state. And the whole thing is CYCLICAL.

I know he doesn't play a part in that, he's what's left when she's done. This isn't rocket science .

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude, he wasn't imprisoned/banished till AFTER the Light/Life/Matter asserted itself. He was trying to get the universe back to it's void/black/matterless state. And the whole thing is CYCLICAL.

I know he doesn't play a part in that, he's what's left when she's done. This isn't rocket science . I've seen DC universes destroyed several times-- never did I see Nekron usurp the blank void of nothingness that remained from within the confines of his dimension, however. You're opinion here doesn't supersede canon fact, zop.

And again:
When creation comes to an end, Death of the Endless will be the ONLY 'thing'/concept left-- this was confirmed on panel. Then it's just a matter of 'locking creation behind her' and returning to her realm. Nekron doesn't play a part in that. What part of "ONLY" do you not grasp?

Originally posted by Galan007
I've seen DC universes destroyed several times-- never did I see Nekron usurp the blank void of nothingness that remained from within the confines of his dimension, however. You're opinion here doesn't supersede canon fact, zop.

And again:
When creation comes to an end, Death of the Endless will be the ONLY 'thing'/concept left-- this was confirmed on panel. Then it's just a matter of 'locking creation behind her' and returning to her realm. Nekron doesn't play a part in that. What part of "ONLY" do you not grasp?
Who said Nekron plays a role in anything she does as part of her duties?

I'm saying the AFTERMATH of her job is a black, lifeless universe which is EXACTLY what Nekron sprang from and what he wants to happen.

I showed you the scans.

And when DCU was destroyed those several times, where was Endless Death? Ooops............

Originally posted by zopzop
Who said Nekron plays a role in anything she does as part of her duties?

I'm saying the AFTERMATH of her job is a black, lifeless universe which is EXACTLY what Nekron sprang from and what he wants to happen.

I showed you the scans. You showed me a scan of what Nekron planned to do AFTER he'd already been released from his limbo dimension. You failed to provide scans stating that Nekron, while still trapped in his dimension, can 'reassert' himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed.

Given that throughout Nekron's history he has ALWAYS required outside assistance to break free of his dimension, I find you logic to be.... Entirely fictitious, really.

Originally posted by zopzop
And when DCU was destroyed those several times, where was Endless Death? Ooops............ Sitting in her dimension watching it happen..? Just like she watched Blackest Night happen without a care in the word..?

As she said: "It's not a big deal."

Originally posted by Galan007
You showed me a scan of what Nekron planned to do AFTER he'd already been released from his limbo dimension. You failed to provide scans stating that Nekron, while still trapped in his dimension, can 'reassert' himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed.

Given that throughout Nekron's history he has ALWAYS required outside assistance to break free of his dimension, I find you logic to be.... Entirely fictitious, really.
He was "out and about" when the universe was a lifeless void. Once life/light/matter emerged he was expelled and trapped in Purgatory (which he rules). He wants to return the universe to it's lifeless/black/void state. These events are CYCLICAL.

I showed you the scan.


So she says AFTER the fact. Her @$$ was nowhere to be seen when Nekron was out and about.

Your tricks won't work on me, dear zop... I am fully aware that you are outright dodging my query.

Again:
Show me a scan which states/shows that Nekron, while still trapped in his dimension(key words), can 'reassert' himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed.

If you fail to provide said evidence in your next, regrettably imminent, post, then I will take it as your concession that no such evidence exists, and you are talking completely out of your ass.

Originally posted by Galan007
Your tricks won't work on me, dear zop... I am fully aware that you are outright dodging my query.

Again:
Show me a scan which states/shows that Nekron, while still trapped in his dimension(key words), can 'reassert' himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed.

If you fail to provide said evidence in your next, regrettably imminent, post, then I will take it as your concession that no such evidence exists, and you are talking completely out of your ass.
Show me where I stated Nekron can do anything to the physical universe while trapped in his kingdom.

I've been saying what I've said all along, once Endless Death does her job, the aftermath is what Nekron spawned from and wants : a black/lifeless/matterless/void.

^ You originally said that Nekron can reassert himself into the universe after it has been destroyed, whether he's still trapped in his dimension or not. I simply want proof to back up your claim.

Can you provide said proof, or not?

Guys, shut up.

Beyonder wins, nothing else matters.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ You originally said that Nekron can reassert himself into the universe after it has been destroyed, whether he's still trapped in his dimension or not. I simply want proof to back up your claim.

Can you provide said proof, or not?
Once light/life is gone and the universe is in it's black/lifeless/void state, he's out.

I showed you the panel. Why you keep ignoring it is beyond me. It's once life/light/matter reassert themselves that he's forced back out and into his Purgatory kingdom. This pattern is cyclical.
Originally posted by Mindset
Guys, shut up.

Beyonder wins, nothing else matters.
No one stated otherwise.

Originally posted by zopzop
Once light/life is gone and the universe is in it's black/lifeless/void state, he's out.

I showed you the panel. Why you keep ignoring it is beyond me. It's once life/light/matter reassert themselves that he's forced back out and into his Purgatory kingdom. This pattern is cyclical. No, zop. A shit-ton of universes in DC have been destroyed over the years, yet Nekron has still never once been freed from his dimension without outside assistance. So per DC canon, you're wrong.

All you have done is provide a scan stating what Nekron planned to do AFTER he'd already been released. I want a evidence to back up your claim that if the universe is destroyed, then Nekron's ties to his dimension are broken, and he is free to reassert himself in the blank void that remains.

Originally posted by zopzop


No one stated otherwise. Then stop flopzopping your gums.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, zop. A shit-ton of universes in DC have been destroyed over the years, yet Nekron has still never once been freed from his dimension without outside assistance. So per DC canon, you're wrong.
According to your brilliant logic, so are you. How many times was the universe ended and Endless Death was nowhere to be found? FAIL.



What "after"? He was the darkness/void/whatever in mainline DC universe BEFORE the Light/Life/Matter expelled him. He was there FIRST. That's why he continually referred to the light/living/matter as "trespassers"
http://s21.postimg.org/4vqmr2ier/bn_08_0022_1.jpg
exactly what that Black Lantern said to Mera and Atom when she was explaining the origin of the universe to them :
http://s21.postimg.org/ab5a4d1o3/eternal_darkness.jpg
He, Nekron, was "here" first.

Originally posted by zopzop
According to your brilliant logic, so are you. How many times was the universe ended and Endless Death was nowhere to be found? FAIL. Lol, this red herring literally has nothing to do with... Anything.

Originally posted by zopzop
What "after"? He was the darkness/void/whatever in mainline DC universe BEFORE the Light/Life/Matter expelled him. He was there FIRST. That's why he continually referred to the light/living/matter as "trespassers"
http://s21.postimg.org/4vqmr2ier/bn_08_0022_1.jpg
exactly what that Black Lantern said to Mera and Atom when she was explaining the origin of the universe to them :
http://s21.postimg.org/ab5a4d1o3/eternal_darkness.jpg
He, Nekron, was "here" first. Same scans. More dodging. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, this red herring literally has nothing to do with... Anything.
Wrong. If DCU being destroyed and recreated multiple times disproves the Blackest Night statements then they also disprove your Endless Death example because she was also nowhere to be found.


The proof is RIGHT THERE. Nekron was "here" first that's why he refers to the living/the Light as trespassers. Then the Light/Life/Matter invaded and he was deposed. He seeks to return the universe to it's void/black state. It's not like I'm making this up. IT'S RIGHT THERE!

Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong. If DCU being destroyed and recreated multiple times disproves the Blackest Night statements then they also disprove your Endless Death example because she was also nowhere to be found. Lol, wtf?

Originally posted by zopzop
The proof is RIGHT THERE. Nekron was "here" first that's why he refers to the living/the Light as trespassers. Then the Light/Life/Matter invaded and he was deposed. He seeks to return the universe to it's void/black state. It's not like I'm making this up. IT'S RIGHT THERE! Yes, that IS what he planned to do after he'd already been released from his dimension via outside assistance. What I am asking for, however, is proof that Nekron, while still trapped within his dimension, can assert himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed, like you're claiming.

You've provided no evidence of the sort. You sure have been fishing a lot, though. Tell me: how does red herring taste this time of year?

Originally posted by zopzop
Earlier the writer stated it was a void till matter/light/life appeared. Take it up with him and stop acting like 12 year old.
So no proof that it was a literal, spaceless, timeless, immaterial void?

Your flimsy comebacks are getting even flimsier.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, wtf?
It was YOUR example. I just pointed out how it doesn't make any sense. The DC universe was destroyed MULTIPLE times and Endless Death was nowhere to be found. Your example works against you just as much as it works against what was stated in Blackest Night.


Dude, I can't tell if you are being serious anymore or just doing this to annoy me.

I JUST SHOWED YOU the scan. According to Blackest Night : Nekron was in the DC universe first. Then the Light/Life/Matter expelled him and he was trapped in his Purgatory kingdom. He seeks to return the universe to that black/void/lifeless state.

If the universe is returned to it's lifeless state (like what Endless Death is supposedly gonna do eventually), he's free of his Purgatory kingdom.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So no proof that it was a literal, spaceless, timeless, immaterial void?

Your flimsy comebacks are getting even flimsier.
For sure it was immaterial otherwise he wouldn't have been pissed when Matter INVADED it. Just like the scan says.

Originally posted by zopzop
If the universe is returned to it's lifeless state (like what Endless Death is supposedly gonna do eventually), he's free of his Purgatory kingdom. Lol, then why hasn't he reasserted himself the plethora of times the DCU has been destroyed in the past?

Your scan makes it clear that Nekron wanted to destroy the DCU and become the lifeless void left behind after he had already been released from his dimension. The scans say nothing about him having the ability to reassert himself while still contained in his purgatory dimension. You're making things up now.

Again: concession accepted.

Originally posted by zopzop
For sure it was immaterial otherwise he wouldn't have been pissed when Matter INVADED it. Just like the scan says.
You're doing the exact same thing that you did with the vacuum/void debacle. Equating life with matter.

Another flimsy comeback from you.

What I think zopzop is saying is that Nekron used the death of black hand to create a link into the universe from his dimension. When all life end, that link will be created because that someone (an immortal) will have died thus finishing the loop. Am I right, zopzop?

As far as Nekron is concerned however, I can't see how he is death. I reaffirm what I've said, he is the void. He is what was in the universe when it was lifeless, without purpose, and without any feeling like hope, will, fear..etc. When life started, this emptiness was given meaning. The entire speech that Hal preaches to Nekron/Black Hand was actually what the entire arc was about. It signified that life gave the universe meaning which it didn't have. When the universe dies, so does Nekron, he has no meaning, he was given meaning because of life. Death however, will still be there

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, then why hasn't he reasserted himself the plethora of times the DCU has been destroyed in the past?
Yeah and where was Endless Death? I thought she was supposed to "turn the lights out", yet she was MIA when DCU "has been destroyed in the past".


Who said he could assert himself while contained in his Purgatory kingdom? You put those words into my mouth.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You're doing the exact same thing that you did with the vacuum/void debacle. Equating life with matter.

Another flimsy comeback from you.
Read the phucking scan. It says the darkness was there first then matter/light were created. It SPECIFICALLY mentions matter. So before that time the universe was at least immaterial.

Originally posted by zopzop
Who said he could assert himself while contained in his Purgatory kingdom? You put those words into my mouth. Where was it stated that Nekron's purgatory dimension vanishes when the universe is destroyed? If Death of the Endless' realm doesn't disappear when DC dies, then why would Nekron's? Again, you're making stuff up at this point.

This is sad.

Originally posted by zopzop
Read the phucking scan. It says the darkness was there first then matter/light were created. It SPECIFICALLY mentions matter. So before that time the universe was at least immaterial.
This is what the phucking scan says:
"It took eons, but the Darkness manifested its own guardian. A defender that took on the collective image life created of death."

Basically speaking, Nekron was formed as a defensive response after life "invaded" the darkness. Which is zero proof that he existed in a spaceless, timeless, immaterial void. Which you'll try and twist regardless into the complete opposite, all the while ignoring the explanation given in your own scans, and going into the glopglop mode of "I M RITE!!YOUR RONG!!!!DURRR!!!!"

Oh and btw: flimsy comeback as usual.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where was it stated that Nekron's purgatory dimension vanishes when the universe is destroyed? If Death of the Endless' realm doesn't disappear when DC dies, then why would Nekron's? Again, you're making stuff up at this point.

This is sad.
Yes this is sad because I NEVER SAID THAT. His Purgatory prison is what it is. I said once the Light/Life is deposed he's free to roam about the black/void/lifeless husk that's left of the universe, since he was in the black/void/lifeless universe FIRST before Light/matter/life "invaded". Why do you think he kept referring to those things as "trespassers"?

You're right, TGK. Nekron himself did not exist until AFTER life was spawned in the universe.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes this is sad because I NEVER SAID THAT. His Purgatory prison is what it is. I said once the Light/Life is deposed he's free to roam about the black/void/lifeless husk that's left of the universe, since he was in the black/void/lifeless universe FIRST before Light/matter/life "invaded". Why do you think he kept referring to those things as "trespassers"? Where was it stated that Nekron is automatically free of his purgatory dimension after the universe is destroyed? You're making up entire fictitious events now.

Very sad.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This is what the phucking scan says:
"It took eons, but the Darkness manifested its own guardian. A defender that took on the collective image life created of death."

Basically speaking, Nekron was formed as a defensive response after life "invaded" the darkness. Which is zero proof that he existed in a spaceless, timeless, immaterial void. Which you'll try and twist regardless into the complete opposite, all the while ignoring the explanation given in your own scans, and going into the glopglop mode of "I M RITE!!YOUR RONG!!!!DURRR!!!!"

Oh and btw: flimsy comeback as usual.
Yup formed from and IS the darkness that was there BEFORE matter and the Light 'invaded' the void :
http://s9.postimg.org/5jtu6wo4r/nekron_no_soul_darkness.jpg
That's why he refers to the Light/matter/etc.. as TRESPASSERS.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where was it stated that Nekron is automatically free of his purgatory dimension after the universe is destroyed? You're making up entire fictitious events now.

Very sad.
Then why would he seek to destroy the universe and return it to it's lifeless, Lightless, matterless state? He'd be free of his Purgatory kingdom.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup formed from and IS the darkness that was there BEFORE matter and the Light 'invaded' the void :
http://s9.postimg.org/5jtu6wo4r/nekron_no_soul_darkness.jpg
That's why he refers to the Light/matter/etc.. as TRESPASSERS. All he says is I am darkness. Which is what it is, the void, the lifeless universe. He came to meaning when the universe was given life. Thus everyone else is a trespasser

Originally posted by zopzop
Then why would he seek to destroy the universe and return it to it's lifeless, Lightless, matterless state? He'd be free of his Purgatory kingdom. He sought to destroy the DCU AFTER he was already free of his purgatory dimension, zop. If he could have automatically been freed of said dimension just by the DCU getting destroyed, then he would have simply resurrected Anti-Monitor and let him destroy existence.

Face it: destroying the DCU doesn't auto-free Nekron from his dimension... That has never been stated anywhere.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup formed from and IS the darkness that was there BEFORE matter and the Light 'invaded' the void :
http://s9.postimg.org/5jtu6wo4r/nekron_no_soul_darkness.jpg
That's why he refers to the Light/matter/etc.. as TRESPASSERS.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So no proof that it was a literal, spaceless, timeless, immaterial void?

Your flimsy comebacks are getting even flimsier.

Originally posted by Galan007
He sought to destroy the DCU AFTER he was already free of his purgatory dimension, zop. If he could have automatically been freed of said dimension just by the DCU getting destroyed, then he would have simply resurrected Anti-Monitor and let him destroy existence.
But the Anti-Monitor would have still been alive. He wants EVERYTHING dead and gone even matter.


Yes, just like all those times destroying the DCU have Endless Death nowhere to be found. Lazy writers?

Originally posted by zopzop

But the Anti-Monitor would have still been alive. He wants EVERYTHING dead and gone even matter. Cool, then he could have simply resurrected AM, let him do all the grunt work of destroying the universe, then pop-in afterward and destroy AM alone.

In all seriousness zop, the notion that destroying the universe automatically frees Nekron from his dimension is purely your opinion, and cannot be backed by... Anything. Just admit it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool, then he could have simply resurrected AM, let him do all the grunt work of destroying the universe, then pop-in afterward and destroy AM alone.
AM is a failure. So he's not even good for that.


Yes.

Just like all those times DCU was destroyed and Endless Death was nowhere to be found makes her statement about "closing the universe behind her" is just a meaningless statement from her "and cannot be backed up by...........Anything".

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup formed from and IS the darkness that was there BEFORE matter and the Light 'invaded' the void :
http://s9.postimg.org/5jtu6wo4r/nekron_no_soul_darkness.jpg
That's why he refers to the Light/matter/etc.. as TRESPASSERS. Does that scan mean Spectre has no power over Galactus?

hehehehehe

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Does that scan mean Spectre has no power over Galactus?

hehehehehe No, there is a difference. Spectre can't kill what doesn't live or isn't alive

Nope, Galactus eats Spectre.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, there is a difference. Spectre can't kill what doesn't live or isn't alive "Because I have no soul to judge"

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"Because I have no soul to judge" I guess he can't judge anti-monitor or anyone else that isn't human

Originally posted by zopzop
AM is a failure. So he's not even good for that.

Yes.

Just like all those times DCU was destroyed and Endless Death was nowhere to be found makes her statement about "closing the universe behind her" is just a meaningless statement from her "and cannot be backed up by...........Anything". Thought Galan007 just posted scans that showed it happening.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I guess he can't judge anti-monitor or anyone else that isn't human They clearly had souls then.

Although how you got out that only humans have souls is beyond me...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Does that scan mean Spectre has no power over Galactus?
Galactus doesn't need to be soulless in order to beat up the Spectre.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Galactus doesn't need to be soulless in order to beat up the Spectre. Valid point.

Spectre is literally the worst

Jim corrigan is the only spectre that would lay the smack down on galactus.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes.

So we agree that your opinion is illogical.

Originally posted by ODG
Thought Galan007 just posted scans that showed it happening. I think he has a tendency to forget things. /shrug

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Does that scan mean Spectre has no power over Galactus?

hehehehehe

Yea man, Spectre got shit on by John so much. Galactus is straight up more powerful, he doesn't need no random plot device like that to beat him at this point.

Originally posted by Galan007


So we agree that your opinion is illogical.
No more illogical than your example using Death of the Endless and the various times the universe has been destroyed.


Nah, I didn't forget it. Just goes to show how it's contradicted all those other times the universe ended and she played ZERO role in it ('closing it behind her').

When the DC universe/creation is ended permanently, Death of the Endless pops-in and makes the final adjustments-- we saw this happen on panel. It cannot be argued.

Until then, any events that transpire within the DCU are literally beneath her notice.

void/darkness in the beginning
light/life & Death begins (Endless)
Nekron manifested by the Darkness to end the universe
Guardians stop & imprison Nekron
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Black Night - Nekron escapes to try & end the universe again
Fails & imprison
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universe ends
Death of the Endless last being remaining
darkness/void remains
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cycle begins anew

Ergo, Death of the Endless doesn't work for Nekron. Nekron is merely an aspect/avatar/agent of the Darkness lashing out wanting to end the universe immediately.

man from beyond still