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Finally a hero that should beat Superman enters the fray.

Eat your shorts Captain Marvel.

Superman humiliates He-man, again.

He Man is going to own him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman humiliates He-man, again.

Again? You know their lone encounter lasted 2 panels, yeah?

Originally posted by Digi
Again? You know their lone encounter lasted 2 panels, yeah?
I do. Superman humiliated him in one punch. That was watered down PC Superman who was struggling to move a planet and isn't above DCnU superman in strength. Giffen writes an uber superman to boot. This doesn't looks good for prince adam.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I do. Superman humiliated him in one punch. That was watered down PC Superman who was struggling to move a planet and isn't above DCnU superman in strength. Giffen writes an uber superman to boot. This doesn't looks good for prince adam.

Ok. I think you're reading a bit too much into it. They grappled and Supes threw/punched him aside and he was ok. That's it. Trying to draw conclusions from such a brief encounter is comically flawed. There's no reason to believe He-Man is Kal's better (I'd give big blue 10/10 in a forum fight), but there is ample reasoning to believe he is as strong or stronger than literally any version of Superman.

srug

Also, realistically, everyone is written more closely together than perhaps they should be in crossovers, for the sake of the fight and story. A beatdown wouldn't serve the story at all, so while it will likely either be a draw or a Superman win (the more popular main hero usually does in crossovers), your appraisal of it as an impending smackdown is almost empirically unlikely.

Originally posted by Digi
Ok. I think you're reading a bit too much into it. They grappled and Supes threw/punched him aside and he was ok. That's it. Trying to draw conclusions from such a brief encounter is comically flawed. There's no reason to believe He-Man is Kal's better (I'd give big blue 10/10 in a forum fight), but there is ample reasoning to believe he is as strong or stronger than literally any version of Superman.

srug

Also, realistically, everyone is written more closely together than perhaps they should be in crossovers, for the sake of the fight and story. A beatdown wouldn't serve the story at all, so while it will likely either be a draw or a Superman win (the more popular main hero usually does in crossovers), your appraisal of it as an impending smackdown is almost empirically unlikely.
Ok. What reasoning would be for him to be stronger than superman?

We'll see. Remember Thor?

Digi said the more popular hero wins so Superman barely winning over Thor supports his stance not Abhi's ridiculous perspective.

Can't wait to hear the excuses when He Man matches him.

Originally posted by Digi
Ok. I think you're reading a bit too much into it. They grappled and Supes threw/punched him aside and he was ok. That's it. Trying to draw conclusions from such a brief encounter is comically flawed. There's no reason to believe He-Man is Kal's better (I'd give big blue 10/10 in a forum fight), but there is ample reasoning to believe he is as strong or stronger than literally any version of Superman.

srug

Also, realistically, everyone is written more closely together than perhaps they should be in crossovers, for the sake of the fight and story. A beatdown wouldn't serve the story at all, so while it will likely either be a draw or a Superman win (the more popular main hero usually does in crossovers), your appraisal of it as an impending smackdown is almost empirically unlikely.

Don't encourage him.

I really doubt they'd have Superman straight up bury He-Man (assuming they do fight). If anything, Superman will barely win or hold an edge somewhat over He-Man (barring the mystical properties of his sword and whatnot). I could see some weird power fluctuation coming into play too if He-Man's presence on Earth effects his connection to Castle Greyskull.

In any case, DC's not stupid and knows the majority of fans will want to see either an epic throw down that makes them both look good or Superman barely pulling out the win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. What reasoning would be for him to be stronger than superman?

We'll see. Remember Thor?


Castle Greyskull is a multiversal nexus, from which HM draws his power. It scales based on need and circumstance, and hasn't been shown to have a defined limit. This is rather explicitly written into HM comics (can't speak for the newest incarnation, but he's new and I haven't been following it yet). As plot devices go, it's insanely convenient. So, as I said, a case could be made for strength alone. HM's overall feats don't necessarily support him getting wins, but it's a crossover after all, which are almost exclusively created as fan service. I wouldn't rule anything out, except that they'll probably be shown as near-equals much of the time. Even if I'm shown to be wrong in the upcoming comic, it's a good guess. I'm working based on lopsided precedent, which doesn't mean certainty, but can and should inform our prognostications.

I'm not sure I get the Thor question. It doesn't seem to respond to or counter anything I said. Based on my assessment, which itself was generalized and not without exception, Thor should lose to Supes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't encourage him.

Oh, shush. I need my fun.

I do remember that comic as I purchase it when it came out originally and it seem to me that Superman was said to be stronger than He-man.

Which back then it was the question everybody had in mind because of how popular He-man was.

Ill prob post the scans some other time. But IIRC theey said it plain and simple that The son of krypton was stronger than he-man.

They should make a live action movie of MOTU

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
They should make a live action movie of MOTU

They did.

And it is glorious.

The "fight" is in the respect thread. Years after it was posted, the forum consistently acts like we don't have access to it. Look for yourselves:

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15336004vz2.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24848967dz7.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10929464tu2.jpg

He-Man was ok afterward. Superman was mystically controlled. He-Man was without the Sword of Power, which in those days definitely could've cut/hurt Superman. Glean from those what you will. Imo, it's a non-feat all-around.


Originally posted by Rao Kal El
They should make a live action movie of MOTU

They did. How old are you?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
They did.

And it is glorious.

???


A new one?

Not the shitty Dolph Ludgren one, right?

I just remember those superher 90's movies of the punisher and captain America, or 80's spiderman.

Yeah, looking at the scans above, don't see how Superman "humilated" He-Man at all there. Given narration and Skeletor's commentary, seemed as if Superman was just barely stronger than He-Man.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
???


A new one?

Not the shitty Dolph Ludgren one, right?

I just remember those superher 90's movies of the punisher and captain America, or 80's spiderman.

"Shitty"?

wut?

That movie is a cult classic.

The He-Man fourth world homage is all kinds of awesome.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Shitty"?

wut?

That movie is a cult classic.

As much of a He-man fan I was, I hate the movie.

I just did not like it, well I did back then, but now? No, I just don't like it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The He-Man fourth world homage is all kinds of awesome.



I really dug the idea that if you really wanted to substitute He-Man for Orion, Skeletor for Darkseid, the Sorceress for Highfather, Castle Greyskull for the Source, etc. the movie would still be fundamentally the same.

Plus, the scene late film where Lundgren yells "I have the power!" is so over the top and ridicuously epic.

Originally posted by Digi
The "fight" is in the respect thread. Years after it was posted, the forum consistently acts like we don't have access to it. Look for yourselves:

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15336004vz2.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24848967dz7.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10929464tu2.jpg

He-Man was ok afterward. Superman was mystically controlled. He-Man was without the Sword of Power, which in those days definitely could've cut/hurt Superman. Glean from those what you will. Imo, it's a non-feat all-around.




They did. How old are you?

That seems pretty conclusive to me that the one not facing the ground and getting ready to enter the castle is the one who had the advantage in the end.

Im old enough to have purchased the comic when it came out. Imagine that

Originally posted by JakeTheBank


I really dug the idea that if you really wanted to substitute He-Man for Orion, Skeletor for Darkseid, the Sorceress for Highfather, Castle Greyskull for the Source, etc. the movie would still be fundamentally the same.

Plus, the scene late film where Lundgren yells "I have the power!" is so over the top and ridicuously epic.

Indeed.

It was the first movie I ever saw at the cinema, and even when I watched it again recently, I still found myself loving it. I don't care that it wasn't like the Filmation cartoon (which I also loved); it's just too much fun.

I was trying to watch it again, to see if I was being prejudist, but oh lord, I could not watch it, my eye sockets started burning.

Originally posted by Digi
Castle Greyskull is a multiversal nexus, from which HM draws his power. It scales based on need and circumstance, and hasn't been shown to have a defined limit. Neither has superman. Nearly every incarnation of superman is as strong as the plot demands. That's how he goes from pulling moons with help to lift a book that contained the multiverse itself with help. Its called no limit fallacy. That's good enough for me.

Superman beat Thor, got attacked by Avengers and still got up by the same time thor did. Maybe I should've said Dreamwar, written by Giffen.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Superman beat Thor, got attacked by Avengers and still got up by the same time thor did. Maybe I should've said Dreamwar, written by Giffen.
Every elite top hero is as strong as the plot demands so you agree even ground.

Barely beat Thor who you say is Ww level and was easily kod by the team and could barely stand after a one on one fight.



Yeah, you think Superman will dominate He Man and we will see. Lets bet and make this interesting.

Originally posted by Digi
Oh, shush. I need my fun.

Then by all means...

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Im old enough to have purchased the comic when it came out. Imagine that

You said they should make a live action movie, when there is one. Forgive my confusion. I'll turn on my internet telepathy next time.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Neither has superman. Nearly every incarnation of superman is as strong as the plot demands. That's how he goes from pulling moons with help to lift a book that contained the multiverse itself with help. Its called no limit fallacy. That's good enough for me.

Superman beat Thor, got attacked by Avengers and still got up by the same time thor did. Maybe I should've said Dreamwar, written by Giffen.


Dreamwar wasn't canon for DC characters. They were creations of a reality warper that made the Doctor look like he was playing tiddly-winks. I've seen the "he modeled them after the characters as closely as possible" argument, and that's true, for what it is. But it's also still a kid imagining stuff. Would you consider the dream-induced hallucinations of a 14-year-old KMC poster canon to a character? Also, Majestic doesn't have a rabid fan army. My earlier comments about the big guys in respective universes and crossovers stand. Is it possible HM gets the same treatment? Sure, anything's possible. Is it likely? Search yourself, young Skywalker, you know the truth. And the Thor stuff still doesn't disagree with anything I've said. I'm really not sure that we're even having the same conversation here.

Also, lulz at "that's good enough for me," as if that matters in the slightest. I'm trying to have a conversation, and you're trying to win some imaginary war because you think I slighted your fan crush. A case could be made that HM is as strong as Superman, or slightly greater than depending on incarnation and need. Not proof, but a case. And two, Superman should win in a fight. Do you disagree with either of those? It sounds like you don't. Then wtf are you trying to prove?

Digi, I wish you would debate more.

Originally posted by Digi
You said they should make a live action movie, when there is one. Forgive my confusion. I'll turn on my internet telepathy next time.




I think I should have said a "new" live action movie.

Your e-telepathy should have worked when I said I purchased the comic when it came out originally. 1982... sneer

Originally posted by Galan007
Digi, I wish you would debate more.

g007_teehee

Thanks. I doubt I ever will, especially in the vs. forum where I've been "gone" much longer than even my KMC activity would suggest. That forum has annoyed me probably for longer than it hasn't in my near-decade on KMC. But I enjoy popping in.



Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I think I should have said a "new" live action movie.

Your e-telepathy should have worked when I said I purchased the comic when it came out originally. 1982... sneer

Indeed. sneer

Originally posted by Galan007
Digi, I wish you would debate more. I agree as he laid down the hammer in that post to Abhilegend.

Originally posted by Digi Dreamwar wasn't canon for DC characters. They were creations of a reality warper that made the Doctor look like he was playing tiddly-winks. I've seen the "he modeled them after the characters as closely as possible" argument, and that's true, for what it is. But it's also still a kid imagining stuff. Would you consider the dream-induced hallucinations of a 14-year-old KMC poster canon to a character? It may not be canon but it gives an idea of how DC views both character. He-man does? We'll see. The point is that Superman wouldn't be revealed as weaker to another hero in a crossover. It undermines his whole character.

Lawl @ you thinking of you doing something like that. You present your own fantasy here. No. I would like to see that case. I disagree with the first option. Nothing. I'm just having a friendly conversation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It may not be canon but it gives an idea of how DC views both character.

Not "it may not." It isn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He-man does?

Relative to Majestic, absolutely. Even relative to Thor, pre-movies. I wouldn't be surprised to see the HM/Superman fight go similarly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We'll see. The point is that Superman wouldn't be revealed as weaker to another hero in a crossover. It undermines his whole character.

It undermines his fandom's persona of him, I agree. I'm not even a huge Superman fan, but I'm pretty sure "I'm more powerful than anyone" isn't the central theme of his character. If Pr wants to get dragged in here, I'm sure he could corroborate this with something that doesn't involve his "whole character" revolving around who punches who the hardest.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree as he laid down the hammer in that post to Abhilegend.

Well, someone disagrees with this assessment. But thanks.

blush

Looks cool. Giffen is at the helm so I'm all over it.

On a related note, wtf can't anyone make a decent MOTU cartoon? Both attempts have been terrible imo.

Originally posted by dmills
Looks cool. Giffen is at the helm so I'm all over it.

On a related note, wtf can't anyone make a decent MOTU cartoon? Both attempts have been terrible imo.

I'd insert some fan rage here for the original cartoon, but it really doesn't hold up well.

Originally posted by Digi
Also, lulz at "that's good enough for me," as if that matters in the slightest. I'm trying to have a conversation, and you're trying to win some imaginary war because you think I slighted your fan crush. A case could be made that HM is as strong as Superman, or slightly greater than depending on incarnation and need. Not proof, but a case. And two, Superman should win in a fight. Do you disagree with either of those? It sounds like you don't. Then wtf are you trying to prove? The amount of right in this paragraph is immense.

Also, I used to like that last cartoon they had. It was all intense movements and hard hitting attacks. Yeah, it was a fun watch

Not sure how I'd like it now though

Originally posted by Digi
I'd insert some fan rage here for the original cartoon, but it really doesn't hold up well.

I've been reliving my childhood through reruns on the qubo channel. You're right, it looks and sounds like ass even for an 80's show. Still get a kick out of the aftershow life lessons though LOL.

Originally posted by dmills
I've been reliving my childhood through reruns on the qubo channel. You're right, it looks and sounds like ass even for an 80's show. Still get a kick out of the aftershow life lessons though LOL. It was great as a kid but yes rewatching some of it now really demonstrates it targeted very young kids.

LOve Skeletor to this day from the 80's toon. Far better than Hordak.

Originally posted by Digi
Not "it may not." It isn't. It is canon to wildstorm though.



That's just your opinion. You'll be surprised how many majestic or thor fans are out there.



Not exactly. You'd be wrong then. Its a central theme of his character since golden age. He is a measure of strength long before He-man was little else than a concept. I don't know about that. Pr is too modest about superman's capabilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was great as a kid but yes rewatching some of it now really demonstrates it targeted very young kids.

LOve Skeletor to this day from the 80's toon. Far better than Hordak.

Yeah. I was never into Hordak. But that may only be because I thought She-ra sucked ass.

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah. I was never into Hordak. But that may only be because I thought She-ra sucked ass. I liked Hordak he was my second fave but no one came close to Alan Oppenheimers Skeletor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It is canon to wildstorm though.

Never said otherwise. Majestic got punked by a reality-warper's idea of Superman. I'd expect the same with most 14-year-old Superman fans if they had the power to do so. srug

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's just your opinion. You'll be surprised how many majestic or thor fans are out there.

We're from the internet, and frequent fan boards. Neither of our personal opinions count for much. I'm talking about sales, notoriety, etc. My mom knows Thor. Knew him before the movies, and not just because her son's a nerd. My nephew is the next generation comics will be pandering to. He's 5. He already has a plastic Mjolnir. Point is, I doubt I'd be surprised at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not exactly. You'd be wrong then. Its a central theme of his character since golden age. He is a measure of strength long before He-man was little else than a concept. I don't know about that. Pr is too modest about superman's capabilities.

Superman is a symbol, he's a character. What he actually stands for is about so much more than just his power set. Is he really just a buff boyscout to you? I understand what you're saying, but it wouldn't undermine anything to have someone beat him, or even be stronger than him. He has been beaten before, plenty of times. It's rare, especially in strength, but if that's what you care about with him, you're missing the point.

Originally posted by dmills
Yeah. I was never into Hordak. But that may only be because I thought She-ra sucked ass.

She sucked something. In my dreams.

Wait, I was a kid. I'm lying.

I feel dirty.

Superman losing to He-Man wouldn't undermine the character, imo. Superman's shtick is that he's the strong/powerful guy of his company, so if it's a test of strength, then He-Man probably shouldn't win (a stalemate would be fine though). With some element of magic involved, it would probably be more easily excused. Or even have them fight more than once, and have each one pull wins from the other to even it up.

And anyone who seriously thinks I downplay Superman is going to get a rude awakening if they read the submissions I'm making to the writing tournament when they're put up.

Given He-Man's power source I don't think him being able to match or beat Superman should be scene as a negative. He's like PC Captain Marvel sans flight, but with a bad ass pet Sabre-tooth Tiger-Dragon and magic sword.

I have always felt like He Man is stronger than Superman, personally.

Nobody read this? It was decent. Nice to see Black Alice working for Skeletor. And cool to see John Constatine in the story.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/BA_zpsf184c017.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/BA2_zps1d2b8032.jpg

The art looks great. Might have to pick this up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
when He Man matches him.
Well, that was definitely worthy of an understatement of the year award.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e384/super_hottie_2/he-man-kills-superman.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e384/super_hottie_2/DCHeMan2_08.png

Old news.

Also, that didn't end up being the real Superman, unfortunately.

Magic + Adam's strength + Sword of Power = a not implausible outcome if that were to happen. But yeah, not canon for Big Blue.