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Starfleet's Dreadnought class: Vengeance piloted by Khan vs. Nero's ship Narada from Star Trek.

No red matter is used in on Nero's side.

Which ship would win in this battle?

The Narada, it's from the 24th century and its weapons tear right through 23rd century shields. Narada would likely take decent damage though, considering the USS Kelvin hurt it.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Narada, it's from the 24th century and its weapons tear right through 23rd century shields. Narada would likely take decent damage though, considering the USS Kelvin hurt it.

Even with Khan being onboard as Captain there is nothing he could do?

Originally posted by Supra
Even with Khan being onboard as Captain there is nothing he could do?

Stop listening to Quanchi, he's utterly ST ignorant and argues from a stance of an enamored woman.

Khan is from the 20th century, so despite his great intellect, he's not some seasoned star ship captain who can pull space battle wins out of his ass, especially being in a far less powerful ship. Young Kirk outsmarted him.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop listening to Quanchi, he's utterly ST ignorant and argues from a stance of an enamored woman.

Khan is from the 20th century, so despite his great intellect, he's not some seasoned star ship captain who can pull space battle wins out of his ass, especially being in a far less powerful ship. Young Kirk outsmarted him. He was completely aware of its capabilities and managed to survive the 72 iirc torpedoes going off on board. Khan wins here btw.

You are the girl who is ignoring Khans one man army against the Federations clear portrayal in the movie. Khan wins here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was completely aware of its capabilities and managed to survive the 72 iirc torpedoes going off on board.

Khan wins here btw.

You are the girl who is ignoring Khans one man army against the Federations clear portrayal in the movie. Khan wins here.

Screen feats, all Khan did was aim its weapons at an already crippled ship and it should be noted the ship was designed to be easily operated by one person, the guy is a rookie when it comes to star ship battles; Nero isn't and he has a superior 24th century ship. The ship crashed and Khan survived. Riker's done the same when he crashed on Veridian III and more people survived.

Of course you say Khan wins in this scenario, cos you have almost no knowledge of ST.

Oh look, another "no you!" response cos you're not clever enough for anything else followed by more wanking of Khan.

Wait, so now quan is arguing that the Narda is a piece of crap ship that can't even beat a single 23rd century ship?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wait, so now quan is arguing that the Narda is a piece of crap ship that can't even beat a single 23rd century ship?


yyyyyyyyyyyyup!

Lol. Narada's 1st feat was destroying about 10 other Federation Ships in the time it took for Sulu to take off the "Parking Breaks" on the Enterprise and jump them to Warp Speed.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
yyyyyyyyyyyyup!

It's funny, the Narda was a "super awesome badass" ship when he was arguing in it's favor in another thread, now all of a sudden it can't even beat 1 old ship.

lolzz.. Nero's ship killed Thor... Khan loses

Originally posted by Robtard
Screen feats, all Khan did was aim its weapons at an already crippled ship and it should be noted the ship was designed to be easily operated by one person, the guy is a rookie when it comes to star ship battles; Nero isn't and he has a superior 24th century ship. The ship crashed and Khan survived. Riker's done the same when he crashed on Veridian III and more people survived.

Of course you say Khan wins in this scenario, cos you have almost no knowledge of ST.

Oh look, another "no you!" response cos you're not clever enough for anything else followed by more wanking of Khan. Nero isn't some warrior and isn't even on Khans level. His obsession with Spock and his advantage of being where Spock would be on top of his advanced ship against non combat ships gave him an advantage.

Khans ship was built for combat. Khan >>>>Nero to the point of absurdity. The movie made it clear they awoke him to gain an advantage against future Federation threats.

Of course now you want to argue some psychopathic silent brooder has a chance against a "superman". Superior in every way and the ship was built for combat. Khan clearly wins.

Cry now.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wait, so now quan is arguing that the Narda is a piece of crap ship that can't even beat a single 23rd century ship? When did Neros ship destroy something comparable to the Dreadnaught ?

It destroyed at least 10 ships of equal power to the Enterprise all at once. All in the minute or so it took Enterprise to jump to the meeting location.

Originally posted by KingD19
It destroyed at least 10 ships of equal power to the Enterprise all at once. All in the minute or so it took Enterprise to jump to the meeting location. Also the Kelvin wasnt destroyed anywhere near as easy as those other ships and we all know the Enterprise and its crew aren't going to die or stay dead. Khan is greater than Nero; intellect and savagery by miles upon miles. This ship was far superior to ships in Star Trek one the Narada faced off against.

So you're trying to ignore the fact that the Narada destroyed at least 10 Enterprise class vessels in under 2 minutes. And intellect has no place here. Khan doesn't know how to beat Nero's ship from 130+ years in the future. And Nero didn't think twice about destroying Vulcan. He ordered the death of a planet, despite knowing that Spock was trying to fix things. He's as ruthless as they come.

Narada destroys Khan's ship, and then we find out if he can breathe in space.

To be fair the Kelvin did do some damage to the Narada. But this could be attributed to the skill of George Kirk.

The Vengeance is far more powerful, combined with Khan's skill should allow it to do so damage at least.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nero isn't some warrior and isn't even on Khans level. His obsession with Spock and his advantage of being where Spock would be on top of his advanced ship against non combat ships gave him an advantage.

Khans ship was built for combat. Khan >>>>Nero to the point of absurdity. The movie made it clear they awoke him to gain an advantage against future Federation threats.

Of course now you want to argue some psychopathic silent brooder has a chance against a "superman". Superior in every way and the ship was built for combat. Khan clearly wins.

Cry now.

Yet Nero had a lot more space combat experience and captaining than Khan, who's had zero in Into Darkness. Did you not pay attention, the Narada fought and destroyed multiple 23rd century Federation and Klingon ships.

Guess what else was built for combat? All those 23rd century Klingon ships the Narada took on and destroyed. Cos the Klingons are a war-like species, but you'd not know this, being a bandwagon-boy.

The Narada's torpedoes tear right through 23rd century shields. Guess what century Khan's ship is from? The 23rd Superior ship wins here. Nero has superior space combat feats.

Stop ignoring film feats

I forgot the Narada destroyed like 10 ships..

Nero wins this one. Sorry Quan.

Khan has no superior screen feats then the Narada in the films.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet Nero had a lot more space combat experience and captaining than Khan, who's had zero in Into Darkness. Did you not pay attention, the Narada fought and destroyed multiple 23rd century Federation and Klingon ships.

Guess what else was built for combat? All those 23rd century Klingon ships the Narada took on and destroyed. Cos the Klingons are a war-like species, but you'd not know this, being a bandwagon-boy.

The Narada's torpedoes tear right through 23rd century shields. Guess what century Khan's ship is from? The 23rd Superior ship wins here. Nero has superior space combat feats.

Stop ignoring film feats

But, but Rob!! Khan and his intelligence. And his unparalleled savagery!!! Space breathing!!

Originally posted by KingD19
So you're trying to ignore the fact that the Narada destroyed at least 10 Enterprise class vessels in under 2 minutes. And intellect has no place here. Khan doesn't know how to beat Nero's ship from 130+ years in the future. And Nero didn't think twice about destroying Vulcan. He ordered the death of a planet, despite knowing that Spock was trying to fix things. He's as ruthless as they come.

Narada destroys Khan's ship, and then we find out if he can breathe in space. Wrong. Destroyed non co,bat ships and ignoring the fact the Kelvin damaged it thus proving the captains skill does matter. That was a non combat ship unlike the Dreadnaught.

Narada isn't built for combat so it being from the future is offset by a Federation militaristic weapon by a superior captain.

Khans ship wrecks the Narada especially since the Kelvin was able to and was inferior to the Enterprise and a piece of shit combat wise compared to the Dreadnaught.

Originally posted by playa1258
To be fair the Kelvin did do some damage to the Narada. But this could be attributed to the skill of George Kirk.

The Vengeance is far more powerful, combined with Khan's skill should allow it to do so damage at least. This proves the skill of the captain does matter. Robbie is so angry he won't admit it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet Nero had a lot more space combat experience and captaining than Khan, who's had zero in Into Darkness. Did you not pay attention, the Narada fought and destroyed multiple 23rd century Federation and Klingon ships.

Guess what else was built for combat? All those 23rd century Klingon ships the Narada took on and destroyed. Cos the Klingons are a war-like species, but you'd not know this, being a bandwagon-boy.

The Narada's torpedoes tear right through 23rd century shields. Guess what century Khan's ship is from? The 23rd Superior ship wins here. Nero has superior space combat feats.

Stop ignoring film feats Khan successfully landed the ship and survived on earth despite being torpedo bombed. Klingon ships weren't on screen while impressive we don't know how much or how little.


This Federation ship was built in response to any threats yet you think it's reasonable to assume these Klingon ships were no this level ?

Yes, they are and look what Khan did to them. Blowing their aircraft and their troops away like nothing. Thanks for arguing for Khan.

Built for combat and superior to the Kelvin which damaged the Narada.

Originally posted by KingD19
But, but Rob!! Khan and his intelligence. And his unparalleled savagery!!! Space breathing!! You sound damaged. Khan wins. Khan also wins in the Riddick thread as well as the Simon Phoenix thread. Resume your tear filled sob session.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan successfully landed the ship and survived on earth despite being torpedo bombed. Klingon ships weren't on screen while impressive we don't know how much or how little.

This Federation ship was built in response to any threats yet you think it's reasonable to assume these Klingon ships were no this level ?

Yes, they are and look what Khan did to them. Blowing their aircraft and their troops away like nothing. Thanks for arguing for Khan.

Built for combat and superior to the Kelvin which damaged the Narada.

He crashed landed. Riker did the same thing. I don't see how what has anything to so with helping in a space battle "Khan can crash a ship!" Okay. You were prasing the Narada taking on the 40+ 23rd century Klingon warbirds in another thread, but now it doesn't matter, clown tactic.

The point is that the Narada took on many 23rd century Federation and Klingon ships and that the Vengeance while powerful compared to the Enterprise, is still from the 23rd century. Narada has better space battle movie feats. Keep dancing around that.

While Khan was a bad-ass in that scene, those were very small ships used for planet patrol and Khan surprised them while they were focused on Kirk and his crew. Did you not notice and pay attention?

No one said the Vengeance wouldn't damage the Narada, I in fact said it would, but it'd lose in the end due to inferior technology and a rookie space battle captain at its helm.

Narada took out a 23rd Federation fleet as explicitly seen and a 23rd century fleet of 47 Klingon warbirds as mentioned/deleted scenes. The Vengeance just managed to cripple and was about to destroy the Enterprise. Movie feats > you.

Originally posted by Robtard
He crashed landed. Riker did the same thing. I don't see how what has anything to so with helping in a space battle "Khan can crash a ship!" Okay. You were prasing the Narada taking on the 40+ 23rd century Klingon warbirds in another thread, but now it doesn't matter, clown tactic.

The point is that the Narada took on many 23rd century Federation and Klingon ships and that the Vengeance while powerful compared to the Enterprise, is still from the 23rd century. Narada has better space battle movie feats. Keep dancing around that.

While Khan was a bad-ass in that scene, those were very small ships used for planet patrol and Khan surprised them while they were focused on Kirk and his crew. Did you not notice and pay attention?

No one said the Vengeance wouldn't damage the Narada, I in fact said it would, but it'd lose in the end due to inferior technology and a rookie space battle captain at its helm.

Narada took out a 23rd Federation fleet as explicitly seen and a 23rd century fleet of 47 Klingon warbirds as mentioned/deleted scenes. The Vengeance just managed to cripple and was about to destroy the Enterprise. Movie feats > you. He landed a ship on earth and survived. No one else could. He could-Spock.

Doesn't matter as that ship did not take out Combat ships. Kelvin also damaged it so the skill of the captain does matter. Khan is better than man at everything.


The ships were still a decent size for Khan to easily down. The Klingons are bred for war but not you want to act like they were just in awe. They could see him and were attacking him directly just like the Enterprise crew. Watch the scene again. Some Klingons get within his personal space. Khan destroys them.

Nothing says he was some rookie captain. He was skilled in combat and was aware of the ships capabilities, star fleet mandate, worked with them before going rogue, etc. Now you want to pretend Nero is a better captain and ignore everything from this film.

I am arguing based on movie feats and common sense. Dreadnaught and Khan win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He landed a ship on earth and survived. No one else could. He could-Spock.

Doesn't matter as that ship did not take out Combat ships. Kelvin also damaged it so the skill of the captain does matter. Khan is better than man at everything.


The ships were still a decent size for Khan to easily down. The Klingons are bred for war but not you want to act like they were just in awe. They could see him and were attacking him directly just like the Enterprise crew. Watch the scene again. Some Klingons get within his personal space. Khan destroys them.

Nothing says he was some rookie captain. He was skilled in combat and was aware of the ships capabilities, star fleet mandate, worked with them before going rogue, etc. Now you want to pretend Nero is a better captain and ignore everything from this film.

I am arguing based on movie feats and common sense. Dreadnaught and Khan win.

You're ignoring the film feats, here you go again:

Repeat: Narada took out a 23rd Federation fleet as explicitly seen and a 23rd century fleet of 47 Klingon warbirds as mentioned/deleted scenes. The Vengeance just managed to cripple and was about to destroy the Enterprise.

Movie feats > you

Originally posted by Robtard
You're ignoring the film feats, here you go again:

Repeat: Narada took out a 23rd Federation fleet as explicitly seen and a 23rd century fleet of 47 Klingon warbirds as mentioned/deleted scenes. The Vengeance just managed to cripple and was about to destroy the Enterprise.

Movie feats > you Combat ship. Kelvin damaged it. Khans superiority to Nero by a country mile.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Combat ship. Kelvin damaged it.

Khans superiority to Nero by a country mile.

You didn't pay attention again. George Kirk had to ram the Kelvin into the Narada to do the serious damage. Better watch the film again, you missed a lot.

Not by screen feats, Nero is a space battle veteran compared to Khan. Movie feats > you.

Originally posted by Robtard
You didn't pay attention again. George Kirk had to ram the Kelvin into the Narada to do the serious damage. Better watch the film again, you missed a lot.

Not by screen feats, Nero is a space battle veteran compared to Khan. Movie feats > you. Yes, I know but a severely outdated ship still did so. The Dreadnaught is far superior and is built for combat. Khan is also a superior captain and has the torpedoes.

Nero isn't some badass captain. his ship is from the future is all. Khan is superior to him. His built for combat ship wins. Superior captain and the ship is built for combat.

A cannon from the 18th century is built for combat too. But I'd take a tank against a cannon any day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I know but a severely outdated ship still did so. The Dreadnaught is far superior and is built for combat. Khan is also a superior captain and has the torpedoes.

Nero isn't some badass captain. his ship is from the future is all. Khan is superior to him. His built for combat ship wins. Superior captain and the ship is built for combat.

Covered already and you clown danced:

Originally posted by Robtard
You're ignoring the film feats, here you go again:

Repeat: Narada took out a 23rd Federation fleet as explicitly seen and a 23rd century fleet of 47 Klingon warbirds as mentioned/deleted scenes. The Vengeance just managed to cripple and was about to destroy the Enterprise.

Movie feats > you

Originally posted by Robtard
Covered already and you clown danced: Nero was also captured by the Klingons whereas Khan teleported to the home world by himself and ran rough shot through them.