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*Standard versions of each
1. H2H or slugfest , SS can amp his punches.
2. Both use full powers & abilties no BFR
3. BFR on

*Both at peak
1. H2H or slugfest , SS can amp his punches.
2. Both use full powers & abilties no BFR
3. BFR on


Who wins ?

I'd say Draw, Surfer, Surfer.

Ultron
Ultron
Surfer

Ultron x3 solidly

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ultron
Ultron
Surfer

Ultron x3 solidly

This.

Stalemate
Surfer
Surfer

Well using powers, if Galactus absorbed Ultron like he was nothing, its very probably Surfer with some effort could do the same. If its HTH, then Ultron beats him easily.

Originally posted by DTM
Well using powers, if Galactus absorbed Ultron like he was nothing, its very probably Surfer with some effort could do the same. If its HTH, then Ultron beats him easily. He'd probably first have to create an opening in his chassis to do so. Thor needed one. And... well... that's the tough part.

Ultron

How much harder does SS hit when he amps his punches?

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Stalemate
Surfer
Surfer

1.Ultron 6/10
2.Surfer
3.Surfer stomps

There are still bad matchups despite tiers. Much like magneto should wreck ultron based on basic powersets, Surfer should as well if its not H2H

Standard
1. Ultron
2. Surfer
3. Surfer

Peak
1. Ultron
2. Surfer
3. Surfer

Surfer's versaltility allows him to disable an all metal opponent like ultron if he wants to fairly easily...

But in straight hand to hand... surfer might have a hard time damaging the internals to end the fight.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
There are still bad matchups despite tiers. Much like magneto should wreck ultron based on basic powersets, Surfer should as well if its not H2H

Magneto wouldn't though.

It isn't as if Ultron hadn't utterly trashed versatile characters such as Ronan and Adam Warlock...

Originally posted by rotiart
Standard
1. Ultron
2. Surfer
3. Surfer

Peak
1. Ultron
2. Surfer
3. Surfer

Surfer's versaltility allows him to disable an all metal opponent like ultron if he wants to fairly easily...

But in straight hand to hand... surfer might have a hard time damaging the internals to end the fight.



Outside of hand to hand combat, this is a terrible, terrible, matchup for Ultron; besides melee combat, Surfer has the goods (if he isnt jobbing) to defeat Ultron every single time (I honestly feel that a non jobbing Surfer owns Nimrod equally hard)...

Originally posted by ODG
He'd probably first have to create an opening in his chassis to do so. Thor needed one. And... well... that's the tough part.

Galactus didnt open up Ultron to drain him, he just Poof did so (possibly out of his mouth, if one was needed), so dont think Surfer if he took that same route would need to open Ultron up to drain him.

Surfer

Originally posted by Odekahn
Magneto wouldn't though.

Without prep for Ultron I don't see why he shouldn't

Originally posted by DTM
Galactus didnt open up Ultron to drain him, he just Poof did so (possibly out of his mouth, if one was needed), so dont think Surfer if he took that same route would need to open Ultron up to drain him. That's Galactus though. If Thor w/Mjolnir needed a crack, then Surfer likely will too.

Originally posted by ODG
That's Galactus though. If Thor w/Mjolnir needed a crack, then Surfer likely will too.
Thor in Avengers is always getting all sorts of ridiculous excuses and handicaps. There's no reason why Adamantium would prevent him from manipulating the energies inside of Ultron.

As it stands tho, it is a good stance to take up against Surfer manipulating Ultron's energies without cracking his armour

would manipulating adamantium be beyond the silver surfer? I don't see why.

Originally posted by ODG
That's Galactus though. If Thor w/Mjolnir needed a crack, then Surfer likely will too.

Surfers powers are much more akin to Galactus' than Thors. Surfer is basically a mini mini mini Galactus, the same cannot be said for Thor.

Originally posted by DTM
Surfers powers are much more akin to Galactus' than Thors. Surfer is basically a mini mini mini Galactus, the same cannot be said for Thor. I don't see how being a much lesser Galactus permits him to do something that Galactus could but Mjolnir couldn't. Mjolnir easily rivals and could even be argued to surpass Silver Surfer's energy absorption abilities.

^anything preventing SS manipulating the adamantium shell open get to the core?

^ Probably.

what?

Thor is not Surfer. Eventhough I'd say Thor would do much better against Ultron if he had went the exotic route

Originally posted by 753
what?

Ultron has more than just energy blasters. He can mind control people, put them into comas with a single shot, has powers over the electromagnetic spectrum, force fields, and can repair from any damage that manages to worm it's way past his indestructible shell. Not to mention he's BRILLIANT!

sure, but those aren't defenses against transmutation powers

What would stop surfer from just turning the adamantium into tinfoil?

Originally posted by 753
sure, but those aren't defenses against transmutation powers

Force fields could be depending on the signals Ultron is projecting. He's shown resistance to Wanda's magic, he can handle surfer trying to transmute him.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
What would stop surfer from just turning the adamantium into tinfoil?
The writer.


Other than that, nothing.

Originally posted by ozz81
*Standard versions of each
1. H2H or slugfest , SS can amp his punches.
2. Both use full powers & abilties no BFR
3. BFR on

*Both at peak
1. H2H or slugfest , SS can amp his punches.
2. Both use full powers & abilties no BFR
3. BFR on


Who wins ?

Standard Versions
1. Ultron (SS can amp only to what was shown so he's not doing jackshit to Ultron)
2. Ultron wins (standard Surfer)
3. Ultron (he can teleport)

Peak versions
1. Ultron
2. Surfer
3. Surfer

Surfer wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer wins.

How?

Originally posted by Odekahn
How?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/15659/2846059-ultron_secret_wars_1_vs_galactus.jpg

Originally posted by DTM
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/15659/2846059-ultron_secret_wars_1_vs_galactus.jpg


Or opening up a black hole inside of him. Game Over.

Surfer really could unleash any of his more heartless methods here because it's not a living being he's dealing with.

What has surfer done lately?

Its been a long time since we've seen him now that you mention if

Originally posted by DTM
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/15659/2846059-ultron_secret_wars_1_vs_galactus.jpg



I dont see SS there, is he hiding somewhere on that panel?? /sarcasm

GALACTUS took out an Ultron from 1984. So what?