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Who wins?
No prep....





Savage Hulk

Vs

Lex Luthor ( Batttle Suit)

Hulk

Luthor dodges Hulk for a while and retrofits his armor to absorb gamma energy on the fly. Hulk becomes depowered and Lex murders him after mocking Banner.

Originally posted by Bentley
Luthor dodges Hulk for a while and retrofits his armor to absorb gamma energy on the fly. Hulk becomes depowered and Lex murders him after mocking Banner.


Or, the Hulk rips Lex out of that suit, and pops his head like a grape.

I highly doubt luthor is fast enough to avoid any of hulks swings. The green goliath may not be on par with superman but his swings or his dashes are nothing to scoff at.

Luthors best bet is if his armor shielding is strong enough to withstand hulk for a few minutes til he can scan his weaknesses and employ the proper countermeasure.

Originally posted by Stoic
Or, the Hulk rips Lex out of that suit, and pops his head like a grape.

You have a good point, Hulk 1/10.

hulk woud eat him

Lex Wins 7 Hercs out of 10.

Originally posted by Bentley
Luthor dodges Hulk for a while and retrofits his armor to absorb gamma energy on the fly. Hulk becomes depowered and Lex murders him after mocking Banner. Has Luthor ever altered his suit to absorb energy?

Hulk flicks Luthor's head off.

Either that or Banner hacks Luthor's tech and crushes Luthor with it.

Hulk wins 10/10.

Hulk, easily.

Hulk can take the majority against a guy with a much better suit that's not designed as a one-trick pony.

Originally posted by curryman
Lex Wins 7 Hercs out of 10.

Such hate

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk can take the majority against a guy with a much better suit that's not designed as a one-trick pony.

BhfJdJ2A6b8

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk, easily.



If we are talking Lex Luthor in his "Future Lex" suit of armor (ala the one he wears during the Brainiac/Future Lex/Future Batman storyline, then the Hulk gets annihilated 10/10...

Tell me Quan, what do you know of Luthors armor?

Thunderclap FTW.

Hulk would hit Luthor so hard, Kevin Spacey's wig would fall off!

Why would we LoM?

Lex won't win without prep. He's not being hacked, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Lex won't win without prep. He's not being hacked, though.
So Luthor's superior in tech to Doom, Reed and Tony?
Interesting...

Originally posted by janus77
So Luthor's superior in tech to Doom, Reed and Tony?
Interesting...

He's smart enough to keep Banner out.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's smart enough to keep Banner out.
I like that assertion. Confident and irrelevant. Nice.

Originally posted by janus77
I like that assertion. Confident and irrelevant. Nice.

I don't see how it's irrelevant.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's smart enough to keep Banner out.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't see how it's irrelevant.
It bore no relation to the question I asked.

Originally posted by janus77
So Luthor's superior in tech to Doom

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/Doomserious.gif

Originally posted by janus77
It bore no relation to the question I asked.

Because it was a leading question, and ABC logic isn't a thing I like playing with.

It's Luthor V Banner in this fight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/Doomserious.gif

Hulk one-shots him.

Lex headbutts Hulks pants off

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because it was a leading question, and ABC logic isn't a thing I like playing with.

Good, because it wasn't "ABC logic". As far as I am aware, Luthor's not gone and hacked Doom's tech or Tony's tech or confounded Reed. Banner has. And he has just recently again demonstrated superiority over Tony when it comes to software.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's Luthor V Banner in this fight.

Yes and Banner has a fantastic CV to more than back up the idea of his hacking Luthor's tech.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lex headbutts Hulks pants off
Lex Luthor is MR. Chokesondick??

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lex headbutts Hulks pants off Wait...what?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Wait...what?
You heard him, you gonna stand for that??

Originally posted by janus77
Good, because it wasn't "ABC logic". As far as I am aware, Luthor's not gone and hacked Doom's tech or Tony's tech or confounded Reed. Banner has. And he has just recently again demonstrated superiority over Tony when it comes to software.


Yes and Banner has a fantastic CV to more than back up the idea of his hacking Luthor's tech.

And you don't think Lex has enough skill to block hacking attempts?

Not to mention he would have to transform back from Hulk to banner to do so.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And you don't think Lex has enough skill to block hacking attempts?

Not to mention he would have to transform back from Hulk to banner to do so.
Not with any amount of prep, which is what Luthor would require to do anything against Hulk.

Banner's got the CV to do the hacking, he's done it to characters generally accepted as being better than Luthor at the tech lark.

Originally posted by janus77
Not with any amount of prep, which is what Luthor would require to do anything against Hulk.

Banner's got the CV to do the hacking, he's done it to characters generally accepted as being better than Luthor at the tech lark.

Who says they're generally accepted as being better?

Even if we'll take the stance that Banner could hack him, at what point in the fight is he going to do this?

Pr's got a point.

OP states this is Savage Hulk vs. Lex Luthor in his battlesuit. Not sure how Banner would go about hacking him in this state.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Who says they're generally accepted as being better?

Even if we'll take the stance that Banner could hack him, at what point in the fight is he going to do this?
Poll it, current Luthor vs Reed Richards or vs Tony or vs Doom... Simple and quick to get that point done with.

As for the matter of time, if Luthor gets prep time to customise his suit, Banner could use that time to plant a trojan or make some counter tech.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Pr's got a point.

OP states this is Savage Hulk vs. Lex Luthor in his battlesuit. Not sure how Banner would go about hacking him in this state.
I was responding to the notion that Luthor would get prep to customise the suit for Hulk.

Only logical that if Luthor's going to prep, Banner would too. Current Hulk might be "Savage" but he's perfectly capable of executing Banner's plans and triggering tech that Banner's prepared in advance for situations.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lex headbutts Hulks pants off


And then what?

Originally posted by Stoic
And then what? Finds what hes been looking for

Originally posted by iceman24567
Finds what hes been looking for

Hair...?

iCTxLBOMOSU

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Hair...?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Hair...?

iCTxLBOMOSU
The largest rod of kryptonite ever in the known (and unknown) universe!

Originally posted by ODG
Has Luthor ever altered his suit to absorb energy?

Mmmmh... I wouldn't put it above him but I get he hasn't since Pr saids he'd go down and he's more of a Luthor expert than I am.

This is just a bad matchup for luthor IMO. What can he actually do to hulk? That's the thing about hulk, if you can't kill him in a reasonable amount of time, his rage is going to grow and he will just get stronger. I think of how WoW has an enrage timer on their dungeon bosses. if you don't overcome him, he will eventually overcome you.

He can always try to BFR.

Originally posted by Bentley
He can always try to BFR.

That's a fair point.

Originally posted by Bentley
Mmmmh... I wouldn't put it above him but I get he hasn't since Pr saids he'd go down and he's more of a Luthor expert than I am. If he hasn't and you're unaware you can't just say he can.

Originally posted by Bentley
He can always try to BFR.
His only hope here is BFR. Either hulk or to himself to save himself from possible death.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
His only hope here is BFR. Either hulk or to himself to save himself from possible death.


Agreed. And it's a think fast moment for luthor.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
His only hope here is BFR. Either hulk or to himself to save himself from possible death. Gladiator tried and failed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gladiator tried and failed.

Yeah but removal by brute force and tech are 2 different things.

Luthor's suit doesn't give him many options for BFR. TBH, I can't even see him even trying to physically throw Hulk from the battlefield. He does have energy blasts, but they won't put Hulk down.

Lex's only real way to survive is self-bfr, imo.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Yeah but removal by brute force and tech are 2 different things.
Hulk's reaction speeds are too fast for Luthor to do anything.

He easily tagged a bullrushing Sentry, he's grabbed herald levellers travelling at high speeds and he's been faster than QuickSilver a time or two too.

Luthor has zero chance. This is murder, pure and simple.

Originally posted by janus77
he's been faster than QuickSilver a time or two.
Reacting to /=/ being faster than.

That said hulk can keep pace with Luthor imho

Originally posted by Supermex
Who wins?
No prep....





Savage Hulk

Vs

Lex Luthor ( Batttle Suit) Originally posted by janus77
So Luthor's superior in tech to Doom, Reed and Tony?
Interesting... You have scans of Savage Hulk hacking tech from Doom, Reed or Tony? If not then the point is moot.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Reacting to /=/ being faster than.

That said hulk can keep pace with Luthor imho
No, by "reacting to" I mean that he moved his limbs faster than QS, that he leapt faster than Jack Of Hearts to move and that generally he's far far faster than Luthor can process.

It's not about him keeping pace with Luthor, it's about Luthor getting pummelled before he can even raise a hand to shield his face from the inevitable.

Originally posted by Badabing
You have scans of Savage Hulk hacking tech from Doom, Reed or Tony? If not then the point is moot.
I haven't scanned them yet, ran out of red crayon so his pants don't look legit yet ... gimme time.



Anyway, that was (as I stated) in response to the notion that Luthor would get prep time to modify his suit to absorb gamma ... Banner with prep = dead Lex.

Hulk can't move faster than Pietro... He may have reacted and surprised him but he isn't faster...

I agree with the rest to a point, luthors flight gives him an equalizer

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Hulk can't move faster than Pietro... He may have reacted and surprised him but he isn't faster...

I agree with the rest to a point, luthors flight gives him an equalizer
I'll have to hunt out the scans, but I'm sure Hulk has been faster than QS.

And I'm certain he can be, he achieves escape velocity without much trouble, he has muscles that produce incalculable force, there's nothing to suggest that he would have difficulty in moving at mach speeds (at a minimum).

Flight won't help, unless he is seriously looking to self-bfr. Hulk just thunderclaps him to atoms.

Pietro has low to near Lightspeed feats, specificly in mighty Avengers.

I'll stop so as not to derail the thread

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Pietro has low to near Lightspeed feats, specificly in mighty Avengers.

I'll stop so as not to derail the thread
Ah, well I'm referring to feats some time before the bump up then.

Still, back on topic. Luthor dies within seconds.

Spite.

I heard QS can go light speed now..
Is that true?

Yes, or very close

Originally posted by janus77
I'll have to hunt out the scans, but I'm sure Hulk has been faster than QS.

And I'm certain he can be, he achieves escape velocity without much trouble, he has muscles that produce incalculable force, there's nothing to suggest that he would have difficulty in moving at mach speeds (at a minimum).

Flight won't help, unless he is seriously looking to self-bfr. Hulk just thunderclaps him to atoms.

http://m388.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Stats/SavageHulkAgility12175.jpg.html

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk's reaction speeds are too fast for Luthor to do anything.

He easily tagged a bullrushing Sentry, he's grabbed herald levellers travelling at high speeds and he's been faster than QuickSilver a time or two too.

Luthor has zero chance. This is murder, pure and simple.

Wait... Are you saying Hulk wins via speed blitz??? 0.o

Luthor created his armor to fight and take down superman right? I understand his armors purpose is to fight superman and because of that has tons of green rock inspired weapons but surely if it's made to harm , dodge and take hits from superman it can handle Hulk before he amps. How can Luthor not have a shot for at least a K.O. Like using a full frontal attack full power hitting hulk with all he has while hulk is still at his base.

Or is Luthor's armor such a joke that it doesn't even give superman pause so it is just as effective as old ironman armor? Most I remember of Luthor armor was in that batman/superman comic public enemies. I'm not aware of any armors after that.

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro
Luthor created his armor to fight and take down superman right? I understand his armors purpose is to fight superman and because of that has tons of green rock inspired weapons but surely if it's made to harm , dodge and take hits from superman it can handle Hulk before he amps. How can Luthor not have a shot for at least a K.O. Like using a full frontal attack full power hitting hulk with all he has while hulk is still at his base.



Many of those here arguing dont even know what the armor is capable of...

Luthor one-shot-killed Wonder Woman with that armor...

He did? When did luthor did that against a Diana?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
He did? When did luthor did that against a Diana?

In the future; during the Brainiac/Future Lex/Future Batman storyline...

Lex Luthor's chances increase if this the usual dumb Savage Hulk. He might come up with something to put him down or get rid of him before his amping becomes too much. Still odds are in favor of Hulk, so Luthor better do whatever the **** he has to do and do it fast.

A future non-canon version of the armor is being entertained here? 'bout as relevant here as bringing up Worldbreaker Hulk.

...though, actually, Hulk can achieve that level under his own power.

I would take Iron Man's older armors over Lex Luthor's battlesuit any day of the week. And Hulk regularly trashes Tony.

How much force is needed to KO savage hulk at his base levels?
Lex armor + apokolips shields + full speed/full power charge = possible hulk KO?


Originally posted by TheLordofMurder


Many of those here arguing dont even know what the armor is capable of...

Luthor one-shot-killed Wonder Woman with that armor...

Scans please?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A future non-canon version of the armor is being entertained here? 'bout as relevant here as bringing up Worldbreaker Hulk.

...though, actually, Hulk can achieve that level under his own power.

I would take Iron Man's older armors over Lex Luthor's battlesuit any day of the week. And Hulk regularly trashes Tony.

Pretty much this.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Wait... Are you saying Hulk wins via speed blitz??? 0.o
Any reasons to suppose Luthor can react fast enough to counter a mach speed leap or a thunderclap at machspeed+?

Hulk's reactions and reflexes are proven to be sufficient to tag, track, capture, dodge and otherwise deal with lightspeed and near lightspeed characters.

So, I don't see what chance Luthor has of surviving the first second, if Hulk decides to start off with a meaty punch.

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro


Or is Luthor's armor such a joke that it doesn't even give superman pause so it is just as effective as old ironman armor? Most I remember of Luthor armor was in that batman/superman comic public enemies. I'm not aware of any armors after that. yeah the armor doesn't really put him on par with named kryptonians.

edit: btw, until I see it happen on panel, I don't see hulk really blitzing anybody.

Originally posted by 753
yeah the armor doesn't really put him on par with named kryptonians.

edit: btw, until I see it happen on panel, I don't see hulk really blitzing anybody.
He blitzed The Mad Thinker, he's blitzed fighter jets in the past, he's also run faster than missiles and caught them too ...

He's like Surfer, just with open-hand slaps instead of blasts.

Luthor's armour is so strong because it's designed to fight Kryptonians. He's never had to broaden it before.

Originally posted by janus77
Any reasons to suppose Luthor can react fast enough to counter a mach speed leap or a thunderclap at machspeed+?

Hulk's reactions and reflexes are proven to be sufficient to tag, track, capture, dodge and otherwise deal with lightspeed and near lightspeed characters.

So, I don't see what chance Luthor has of surviving the first second, if Hulk decides to start off with a meaty punch.

I think I'm misunderstanding you. If by tagging him you mean luthor can't run forever I agree with you, if you think it would happen relatively fast I also agree. And I agree that hulk wins this fight hands down.

What I don't agree with is that it's a flawless victory, and by that I mean that luthor doesn't so much as get to shoot once and it's avengers the movie Loki ragdoll scene all again. Luthor will dodge for a bit, maybe not long (definitely not long enough), and attach the hulk. The attacks will actually phase and hurt the hulk for a bit until he gets angry enough to shrug off whatever luthor can throw at him. Luthors only true hope here is bfr.

P.S. this was a son of a ***** to type out on my iPhone lol

Originally posted by Odekahn
I think I'm misunderstanding you. If by tagging him you mean luthor can't run forever I agree with you, if you think it would happen relatively fast I also agree. And I agree that hulk wins this fight hands down.

What I don't agree with is that it's a flawless victory, and by that I mean that luthor doesn't so much as get to shoot once and it's avengers the movie Loki ragdoll scene all again. Luthor will dodge for a bit, maybe not long (definitely not long enough), and attach the hulk. The attacks will actually phase and hurt the hulk for a bit until he gets angry enough to shrug off whatever luthor can throw at him. Luthors only true hope here is bfr.

P.S. this was a son of a ***** to type out on my iPhone lol

Is BFR even a option? I mentioned it before and someone said he could only really BFR himself as he didn't have anything to hit hulk with to BFR him.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I think I'm misunderstanding you. If by tagging him you mean luthor can't run forever I agree with you, if you think it would happen relatively fast I also agree. And I agree that hulk wins this fight hands down.

What I don't agree with is that it's a flawless victory, and by that I mean that luthor doesn't so much as get to shoot once and it's avengers the movie Loki ragdoll scene all again. Luthor will dodge for a bit, maybe not long (definitely not long enough), and attach the hulk. The attacks will actually phase and hurt the hulk for a bit until he gets angry enough to shrug off whatever luthor can throw at him. Luthors only true hope here is bfr.

P.S. this was a son of a ***** to type out on my iPhone lol
lol, now I feel even worse for dragging this tangent out ...

Especially since I do believe that current "Savage" Hulk would basically shrug off any of Luthor's attacks (should Luthor be able to mount any such attacks).

Hulk doesn't seem to be too fussed about rushing humans, if they're bad guys.

Originally posted by janus77
lol, now I feel even worse for dragging this tangent out ...

Especially since I do believe that current "Savage" Hulk would basically shrug off any of Luthor's attacks (should Luthor be able to mount any such attacks).

Hulk doesn't seem to be too fussed about rushing humans, if they're bad guys.

I can agree. Luthors suit is geared towards superman, not something like the hulk.

And as I said bfr is luthors only hope. I don't know if he has the ability to do such. He may not in which case he gets SMASHED.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I can agree. Luthors suit is geared towards superman, not something like the hulk.

And as I said bfr is luthors only hope. I don't know if he has the ability to do such. He may not in which case he gets SMASHED.
what kind of phone do you use, how comfortable is it to type in a web form?

I find using this forum a bit of a slog even on a regular keyboard & screen, can't imagine trying it on a mobile phone for any length of time.

Originally posted by janus77
He blitzed The Mad Thinker, he's blitzed fighter jets in the past, he's also run faster than missiles and caught them too ...

He's like Surfer, just with open-hand slaps instead of blasts. I dont consider those proper blitzes. his interception speed is pretty excellent though.

Originally posted by janus77
what kind of phone do you use, how comfortable is it to type in a web form?

I find using this forum a bit of a slog even on a regular keyboard & screen, can't imagine trying it on a mobile phone for any length of time.

iPhone 5. It's not terrible, I'm decently fast at texting on this. But I'm a MUCH faster typer. I often reply to this forum while I'm at work and I guess I just got used to it.

Originally posted by 753
I dont consider those proper blitzes. his interception speed is pretty excellent though.
I don't see any meaningful difference really. Blitzes are just rapid-fire attacks that overwhelm an opponent, imo.

We're not talking FTL Flash blitz jobs here, we're only dealing with Luthor and Hulk's definitely fast enough to overwhelm Luthor before he's even processed what's happening.

Hulk's got all the tools, he's demonstrated them in use (against inanimate objects, occasional heralds, Mad Thinker and a few others) as well as ofcourse the ability to react to and process information coming at super speed.

Originally posted by Odekahn
iPhone 5. It's not terrible, I'm decently fast at texting on this. But I'm a MUCH faster typer. I often reply to this forum while I'm at work and I guess I just got used to it.
Ah, I never surf on the phone when I'm at a client's... prefer to use their computers .

Trying to shake myself free of the weird desire to buy a Win 8 phone next ... Never got an apple, went for android and winphone 7 previously.

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro
Luthor created his armor to fight and take down superman right? I understand his armors purpose is to fight superman and because of that has tons of green rock inspired weapons but surely if it's made to harm , dodge and take hits from superman it can handle Hulk before he amps. How can Luthor not have a shot for at least a K.O. Like using a full frontal attack full power hitting hulk with all he has while hulk is still at his base.

Or is Luthor's armor such a joke that it doesn't even give superman pause so it is just as effective as old ironman armor? Most I remember of Luthor armor was in that batman/superman comic public enemies. I'm not aware of any armors after that.

The only problem that I can see with this type of logic is that the Hulk isn't Superman, and he isn't allergic to little green rocks.

Savage Hulk ftw.

Originally posted by Stoic
The only problem that I can see with this type of logic is that the Hulk isn't Superman, and he isn't allergic to little green rocks.

I dont read alot of superman comics but I have read a few so please tell me if I'm wrong but Lex doesnt always flood the area with kryptonite before a fight.
My only point of reference is the fight in public enemies where he has the armor made in the firepits of apokolips. Superman flies from Japan or something and hits lex in the armor and he comes right back for more taking more shots and then heat vision like nothing. He Shoots green beams at him like once (I assume it's green rock fueled beams but it could just be motif) punches superman a bit then gets his shields bashed by multiple punches then one punch shreds the front of his armor and sends him across town.

It still took superman lvl punches. Not saying he lasts long with Hulk I just still think he can pump his shields to max and charge at the hulks head after maybe giving him a distraction if not full on bullrush. If that doesn't work then self BFR. A 1/2 out of 9 1/2 in lex favor.

Lex Luthor blasts are radiation like. Thats the last thing he should shoot at Hulk. I will post scans later of Savage Hulk being shot by radiation blast and Savage grabbing those blast out of the air, absorbing it, then shooting it back at his target "continuously". Lex will probably amp him as well.