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Rules:
-Win by death or knockout
-No BFR
-No Prep
-Bloodlust on
-Pre-Crisis Darkseid & Hunter/Prey Doomsday
-Standard 616 Thanos & World Breaker Hulk
Fight takes place on Planet Sakaar from Planet Hulk.
Who wins?

WBH solos.

Originally posted by carver9
WBH solos.

Originally posted by carver9
WBH solos.
If you think WBH wins against any of them
IF you think t1 can't harm WBH
If you think PRE-CRISIS DS can't kill Hulk

Then your hard-on for Hulk has lasted over 6 hours and you need to see a doctor.

Seriously thought, you really think PC DS can't kill WBH?

Didn't see the Pre Crisis Darkseid. Minus him, WBH solos.

So now you are going around what the topic is about and making it DD vs Hulk. NICE!

So I say T1 wins because minus Thanos, Hulk is child's play

Exactly, how the hell do you take one half of the team out of the equation so you can still say WBH wins and get your rocks off lol?

Originally posted by God Butcher
-Pre-Crisis Darkseid

Solos.

Thanos wins.

Team Thanos wins

How do they beat Pre Crisis Darkseid? Silver Age Superman would solo too. And Darkseid was more ridiculous than he was.

Team 1

Thanos is pre everthing right now..
Marvel don't mess with Thanos like Dc with Darksied...
Thanos is what Darksied hoped to had been..

LOL what!

Originally posted by Supermex
Thanos is pre everthing right now..
Marvel don't mess with Thanos like Dc with Darksied...
Thanos is what Darksied hoped to had been..

Good story.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Exactly, how the hell do you take one half of the team out of the equation so you can still say WBH wins and get your rocks off lol?

Not what I'm doing. Look at the fight...its more than just a Pre Crisis Darkseid battle. There is one with a standard Darkseid as well and he would get crushed, just like Doomsday would.

Originally posted by carver9
Not what I'm doing. Look at the fight...its more than just a Pre Crisis Darkseid battle. There is one with a standard Darkseid as well and he would get crushed, just like Doomsday would.
Nope, you are back tracking. Clearly the TC said Pre-crisis DS and HP DD.

STOMP wbh destroys them both thanos doesnt need to get involved

Originally posted by Odekahn
How do they beat Pre Crisis Darkseid? Silver Age Superman would solo too. And Darkseid was more ridiculous than he was. Back your claims. If you cannot then you must rescind them.

Originally posted by Supermex
Thanos is pre everthing right now..
Marvel don't mess with Thanos like Dc with Darksied...
Thanos is what Darksied hoped to had been.. Agreed.

Originally posted by God Butcher
Rules:
-Win by death or knockout
-No BFR
-No Prep
-Bloodlust on
-Pre-Crisis Darkseid & Hunter/Prey Doomsday
-Standard 616 Thanos & World Breaker Hulk
Fight takes place on Planet Sakaar from Planet Hulk.
Who wins?
Pre Crisis DS? WTF?
I'm going with team 1.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Back your claims. If you cannot then you must rescind them.

I have to back common knowledge to you?

Lol good ole carv

It seems that Carver and Quanchi hasn't changed much since i last logged in about a month ago.

They never will. Well...people hardly change.

So expect more "Based on?" from Quan, "Hulk solos with farts" from Carv and "lol what? *Insert Random Gif*" from me.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I have to back common knowledge to you? Thanos and Hulk are both more impressive than Precrisis Darkseid.

Originally posted by SquallX
It seems that Carver and Quanchi hasn't changed much since i last logged in about a month ago. ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos and Hulk are both more impressive than Precrisis Darkseid.

You do know Pre Crisis Darkseid is also The Great Darkness Saga and the search for the Anti Life Entity right?

Either one of these Pre Crisis Darkseid would mop the floor with Thanos and Hulk while sleeping on the toilet.

DS wins.

Trap, it's a trap.

Originally posted by SquallX
You do know Pre Crisis Darkseid is also The Great Darkness Saga and the search for the Anti Life Entity right?

Either one of these Pre Crisis Darkseid would mop the floor with Thanos and Hulk while sleeping on the toilet. Gds wasn't that impressive. We see the same Seid destroyed in a later story by a zombified Orion.


Thanos puts the hurt on this team.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gds wasn't that impressive. We see the same Seid destroyed in a later story by a zombified Orion.


Thanos puts the hurt on this team.

Ever heard of PIS? or better yet the prophecy of Darkseid losing to his son?

Saying GDS Darkseid wasn't impressive proves how much of a fanboy you really are.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos and Hulk are both more impressive than Precrisis Darkseid.
Based on?

Originally posted by SquallX
Ever heard of PIS? or better yet the prophecy of Darkseid losing to his son?

Saying GDS Darkseid wasn't impressive proves how much of a fanboy you really are. He was weakened. That's the whole point of the story.

A weakened Darkseid is absolutely curbed by Lord Thanos.

Orion blew him away easily. Gds Seid is weaker than regular Seid.

Originally posted by Estacado
Based on? Foundations and the context of the story.

Originally posted by SquallX
Ever heard of PIS? or better yet the prophecy of Darkseid losing to his son?

Saying GDS Darkseid wasn't impressive proves how much of a fanboy you really are.
How can it be pis, its a single arc?

You can't take the feats you like, and trash the rest...
That's what happened to Serpent...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
How can it be pis, its a single arc?

You can't take the feats you like, and trash the rest...
That's what happened to Serpent... Great point. I've always said this too.

Pre Crisis DS makes this fight spite.

With the OE he can literally evaporate both Hulk and Thanos with ease.

Originally posted by h1a8
Pre Crisis DS makes this fight spite.

With the OE he can literally evaporate both Hulk and Thanos with ease. No, it can't. Prove it.

You're always wrong, Quan.

Try to stay out of arguments until you get over yourself and can accept the truth of the matter like a man would.

Originally posted by Dolos
You're always wrong, Quan.

Try to stay out of arguments until you get over yourself and can accept the truth of the matter like a man would. Orion killed Darkseid who was weaker in the future. That's a part of the arc. I'm right and support my argument. Major bashing and debate if you can.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it can't. Prove it.
The OE can erase anything it touches.
Prove that Thanos or WBH won't get erased from existence.

Originally posted by h1a8
The OE can erase anything it touches.
Prove that Thanos or WBH won't get erased from existence. No limits fallacy. Basically it can erase supreme beings, etc.

Prove it with an example. Baseless claim until you can back your case.

H1 isn't going to prove it because he is going by something he's heard online. You will never get a scan from him because his arguments are flawed.

H1 is right. I don't have the scans with me but the OE was a power prophesized to Darkseid only. It was a power other leadera of the old gods tried to attain and failed. It separated Darkseid from everyone else.

Originally posted by Diesldude
H1 is right. I don't have the scans with me but the OE was a power prophesized to Darkseid only. It was a power other leadera of the old gods tried to attain and failed. It separated Darkseid from everyone else. Clearly has limits. No limits fallacy. Prove it. Orion easily wrecked GDS. Thanos decimates him.

Quani is a genious troll, I have to give him that.

But I like him in a non gay way. I don't want him to get all flustered and chit.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Quani is a genious troll, I have to give him that.

But I like him in a non gay way. I don't want him to get all flustered and chit. I am a genius but if its one thing I'm not its a troll.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am a genius but if its one thing I'm not its a troll.

And HUMBLE on top of that!

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And HUMBLE on top of that! Just very confident in my abilities. All the great ones have an ego of some kind.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No limits fallacy. Basically it can erase supreme beings, etc.

Prove it with an example. Baseless claim until you can back your case.
What the hell is an supreme being?
It can erase any physical object in the universe.
This is common knowledge. There was no physical being that it failed to erase when DS tried.

Thanos is far from a supreme being (whatever that is)

Originally posted by h1a8
What the hell is an supreme being?
It can erase any physical object in the universe.
This is common knowledge. There was no physical being that it failed to erase when DS tried.

Thanos is far from a supreme being (whatever that is) That is a no limits fallacy and you haven't proven it. Post proof it can. You simply saying it doesn't mean anything.

Thanos is more powerful and immune to death. Orion one blasted him.

Foundations Darkseid isn't GDS Darkseid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Foundations Darkseid isn't GDS Darkseid. Yes, it is. No amped version anyways.

No it isn't. GDS darkseid was erased from the reality when Mon-el killed time-trapper.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No it isn't. GDS darkseid was erased from the reality when Mon-el killed time-trapper. Gds was in foundations. Same older weaker Ds. Read the story. Please.

No. They are two different versions.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. They are two different versions. You clearly didn't read the story. Same Seid. Older and weaker than his younger self.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. They are two different versions.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is a no limits fallacy and you haven't proven it. Post proof it can. You simply saying it doesn't mean anything.

Thanos is more powerful and immune to death. Orion one blasted him.

Using your logic you have to prove that DS can erase a tin can.
Thanos is not more powerful than Pre DS. Thanos got owned by arrows and taken to jail by the police. I can lowball too.

Death =/= being erased from existence.
The power of the OE comes from the source (GOD's power).
The source>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Death>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanos

Originally posted by h1a8
Using your logic you have to prove that DS can erase a tin can.
Thanos is not more powerful than Pre DS. Thanos got owned by arrows and taken to jail by the police. I can lowball too.

Death =/= being erased from existence.
The power of the OE comes from the source (GOD's power).
The source>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Death>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanos Darkseid has erased more powerful beings and objects than a tin can. You have to prove he can do so to Thanos.

Context. Was weakened and wasn't owned by arrows. That isn't canon,

Yes, that's what it means.

Wrong. The source isn't supreme and has finite power. Oe might come from the source but isn't equal to. Lol.

Back your claims.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I have already responded and countered. Continue to repeat yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Foundations and the context of the story.

Explain.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Explain. I already have.

using orion beat darkseid isn't an argument, since it's orion's destiny, for darkseid to defy that he must defy destiny itself (which happens to be one of the most powerful beings in DC).

that's just one example to how orion compares to PC darkseid, darkseid's gesture can easily put orion down (adventure comics #459):

http://i.imgur.com/ePXEWkP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TTA5XxP.jpg

on a side note, though PC darkseid is definitely more powerful than post crisis on average but post crisis darkseid does have insane showings as well.

in cosmic odyssey he was able to destroy an entire universe along 4 other beings:

http://i.imgur.com/Kigkxto.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nT5mAys.jpg

and an even more impressive one darkseid removes a younger version of himself from a timeline which casued all of creation and the entire timeline to be destroyed (legion #29)

http://i.imgur.com/DI7ILCE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CIBsshZ.jpg

here's darkseid explaining it:

http://i.imgur.com/IjWvkWc.jpg

also we see even pre crisis timelines destroyed (notice the anti monitor there)

http://i.imgur.com/0c8JwJj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zoZjQvJ.jpg

another important note i want to make is that darkseid was aped in GDS im not sure why hasn't anyone brought it up.
And PC darkseid's highest showings aren't beyond that of thanos who at one point managed to destroy an abstract (without any artifacts).

The point is the OB can't just erase whatever it wants with no limits is the point Quan is making and it s a valid one. Not only have the beams been deflected or outright resisted... we know it would do nothing to beings like Lucifer...COIE Monitor.. Mxy and the list goes on and on. Thus, you can't just say it will erase whatever it hits.

Originally posted by operator616
using orion beat darkseid isn't an argument, since it's orion's destiny, for darkseid to defy that he must defy destiny itself (which happens to be one of the most powerful beings in DC).

that's just one example to how orion compares to PC darkseid, darkseid's gesture can easily put orion down (adventure comics #459):

http://i.imgur.com/ePXEWkP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TTA5XxP.jpg

on a side note, though PC darkseid is definitely more powerful than post crisis on average but post crisis darkseid does have insane showings as well.

in cosmic odyssey he was able to destroy an entire universe along 4 other beings:

http://i.imgur.com/Kigkxto.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nT5mAys.jpg

and an even more impressive one darkseid removes a younger version of himself from a timeline which casued all of creation and the entire timeline to be destroyed (legion #29)

http://i.imgur.com/DI7ILCE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CIBsshZ.jpg

here's darkseid explaining it:

http://i.imgur.com/IjWvkWc.jpg

also we see even pre crisis timelines destroyed (notice the anti monitor there)

http://i.imgur.com/0c8JwJj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zoZjQvJ.jpg

another important note i want to make is that darkseid was aped in GDS im not sure why hasn't anyone brought it up.
And PC darkseid's highest showings aren't beyond that of thanos who at one point managed to destroy an abstract (without any artifacts). Orion has killed him more than once. Prophecy was already fulfilled. A weaker than normal Darkseid is wtf stomped by Thanos.

Thanos or Hulk solo.

yes i know that orion already killed him more than once, which is his destiny.

weaker than normal darkseid as in whom exactly? are you talking pre crisis or post crisis?

for the record i do agree that thanos should win against post crisis darkseid since he has better consistent feats.

but what feats does hulk have that allows him to solo darkseid and doomsday?

Originally posted by operator616
yes i know that orion already killed him more than once, which is his destiny.

weaker than normal darkseid as in whom exactly? are you talking pre crisis or post crisis?

for the record i do agree that thanos should win against post crisis darkseid since he has better consistent feats.

but what feats does hulk have that allows him to solo darkseid and doomsday? The crisis never affected Darkseid. Since he already killed him there goes your point.

HOTM feats.


Thanos or Hulk solo as a weaker Orion one pieced an older weaker Darkseid.

are you ignoring the fact that killing darkseid is his destiny?

that's not even mentoning that there is context behind their fights, like darkseid's defeat at the hands of orion inside the source was revealed to be intentional in new gods v4 #8:

http://i.imgur.com/eMMqy8c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O9rPpNr.jpg

though orion did put darkseid down in the first issue of countdown to final crisis.

and im pretty sure there is at least one other i can't seem to recall right now, could you tell me where orion stomped darkseid?

however all this does not matter, since it was orion's destiny after all.

HOTM feats which are what exactly? let us compare.

Originally posted by operator616
are you ignoring the fact that killing darkseid is his destiny?

that's not even mentoning that there is context behind their fights, like darkseid's defeat at the hands of orion inside the source was revealed to be intentional in new gods v4 #8:

http://i.imgur.com/eMMqy8c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O9rPpNr.jpg

though orion did put darkseid down in the first issue of countdown to final crisis.

and im pretty sure there is at least one other i can't seem to recall right now, could you tell me where orion stomped darkseid?

however all this does not matter, since it was orion's destiny after all.

HOTM feats which are what exactly? let us compare. Yes, it was so the destiny was fulfilled.

In foundations when Darksied used him against older weaker Darkseid. Orion doesn't stomp youthful Seid but has the power to oneshot older Seid.

Entire arc.

Operator...have you read HOTM?

^
here's the orion vs darkseid fight that later got retconned in new gods v4 #8:

http://i.imgur.com/8n8EpxV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CdX2VrU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JkPyLvm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JkPyLvm.jpg

darkseid did lose on purpose.

if you noticed foundation is the same arc from which i posted the scans where darkseid destroyed the timeline, and orion never oneshotted darkseid in that arc.

here's how darkseid died:

older darkseid:

http://i.imgur.com/UezV6in.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NUezkTj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nzdZC10.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NhBMdY9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rFX4PQD.jpg

younger darkseid:

http://i.imgur.com/oXjbmDs.jpg

orion wasn't even present there to begin with so im not sure where "orion oneshotting older darkseid" is coming from.

so can you point out what exactly did hulk do that is superior to darkseid destroying the timeline and destroying a universe along with 4 others?

Originally posted by carver9
Operator...have you read HOTM?

yes i have, thank you very much

the most impressive feat he had is in issue #634:

http://i.imgur.com/ZQ1KrVs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NESx7oF.jpg

also important thing to note that it has a retcon to hulk's previous appearances that he held back the entire time:

http://i.imgur.com/2cNtrea.jpg

and how does that compare to darkseid's highest showings?

also what's to stop darkseid mindraping him?

oh and btw im totally ignoring doomsday here.

Originally posted by operator616
^
here's the orion vs darkseid fight that later got retconned in new gods v4 #8:

http://i.imgur.com/8n8EpxV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CdX2VrU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JkPyLvm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JkPyLvm.jpg

darkseid did lose on purpose.

if you noticed foundation is the same arc from which i posted the scans where darkseid destroyed the timeline, and orion never oneshotted darkseid in that arc.

here's how darkseid died:

older darkseid:

http://i.imgur.com/UezV6in.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NUezkTj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nzdZC10.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NhBMdY9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rFX4PQD.jpg

younger darkseid:

http://i.imgur.com/oXjbmDs.jpg

orion wasn't even present there to begin with so im not sure where "orion oneshotting older darkseid" is coming from.

so can you point out what exactly did hulk do that is superior to darkseid destroying the timeline and destroying a universe along with 4 others? Orion killed older Darkseid and they went back in time and then Superman laid him out minus the experience for a thousand years. You back my case and clearly Didnt read the story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid has erased more powerful beings and objects than a tin can. You have to prove he can do so to Thanos.

Context. Was weakened and wasn't owned by arrows. That isn't canon,

Yes, that's what it means.

Wrong. The source isn't supreme and has finite power. Oe might come from the source but isn't equal to. Lol.

Back your claims.

Being more powerful doesn't make you immune to the OE. It erases, not destroys. So durability has nothing to do with it. The Omega Sanction can also trap in a series of alternate realities, each one worst than the previous. Basically the OE is a teleporter. It can teleport any being anywhere through time and space (including limbo which is why they are erased).

How was Thanos weakened? Arrows got his arse.
Why isn't it canon?

Originally posted by h1a8
Being more powerful doesn't make you immune to the OE. It erases, not destroys. So durability has nothing to do with it. The Omega Sanction can also trap in a series of alternate realities, each one worst than the previous. Basically the OE is a teleporter. It can teleport any being anywhere through time and space (including limbo which is why they are erased).

How was Thanos weakened? Arrows got his arse.
Why isn't it canon? Erasing is destroying. Lol. Yes, it does. DD clearly survived it.

Cc weakened him. Arrows pierced his armor. Read the comic.

It isn't in continuity.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion killed older Darkseid and they went back in time and then Superman laid him out minus the experience for a thousand years. You back my case and clearly Didnt read the story.

right, i didn't read the story yet im the one posting the scans. i showed you proof of how darkseid was killed and you respond that i didn't read the comic?

i see you ignored my other points.

Quan, you might as well start using Darkseid getting mugged in serious debates considering apparently something not even published by Marvel is canon.

Originally posted by operator616
right, i didn't read the story yet im the one posting the scans. i showed you proof of how darkseid was killed and you respond that i didn't read the comic?

i see you ignored my other points. No, you said this was how he was beaten ignoring earlier in the story a younger Darkseid used Orion to kill him. I forgot how an inexperienced Superman kod him for a thousand years. Been years since I read it. Thanks for reminding me.

Like I said Hulk of Thanos solo.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Quan, you might as well start using Darkseid getting mugged in serious debates considering apparently something not even published by Marvel is canon. Its h1. He dos the best he can and is really at the mercy of Wikipedia.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you said this was how he was beaten ignoring earlier in the story a younger Darkseid used Orion to kill him. I forgot how an inexperienced Superman kod him for a thousand years. Been years since I read it. Thanks for reminding me.



alright then, let's make it simpler, post the scans of orion oneshotting darkseid.

Originally posted by operator616
alright then, let's make it simpler, post the scans of orion oneshotting darkseid. I will make this really simple; no.

alright, and yet im the one who didn't read the story, seems legit.

Originally posted by operator616
alright, and yet im the one who didn't read the story, seems legit. Yes, clearly since you wanted to see proof of something that clearly happened in the story.

Gds was defeated twice in the story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, clearly since you wanted to see proof of something that clearly happened in the story.

Gds was defeated twice in the story.

or maybe you are just making things up? since im the one who's posting the scans and you're not?

what? you do realize we are talking about legion foundations right?

Originally posted by operator616
or maybe you are just making things up? since im the one who's posting the scans and you're not?

what? you do realize we are talking about legion foundations right? Yes. He was defeated twice. My guess is you used a respect thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes. He was defeated twice. My guess is you used a respect thread.

how about i post the first half issue, and you post the other half issue and we'll see who read it and who didn't, seems fair?

Originally posted by operator616
how about i post the first half issue, and you post the other half issue and we'll see who read it and who didn't, seems fair? You won't include Orion killing him. Lol. It happened.

hmm i see you evaded the question, i guess i can understand why......meh whatever.

Originally posted by operator616
hmm i see you evaded the question, i guess i can understand why......meh whatever. You didn't read it since you aren't aware of the Orion win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't read it since you aren't aware of the Orion win.

so what's stopping you from proving the evidence? i already posted scans to back mine.

Originally posted by operator616
so what's stopping you from proving the evidence? i already posted scans to back mine. I don't have to. I could care less to post the scans. Think what you want.

Team 1 stomps

Originally posted by iceman24567
Team 1 stomps Based on ?

^I think you trolled this thread enough

Originally posted by iceman24567
^I think you trolled this thread enough I have cited the story. If you can't back up your claims Thats fine.

If mindlessly trolling new posters = citing you are correct

Originally posted by iceman24567
If mindlessly trolling new posters = citing you are correct Darkseid was weaker than he is usually in GDS. Thats a fact.

^Nice team 1 stomps

Originally posted by iceman24567
^Nice team 1 stomps ^its a new page. Lol.

Based on ?

^ Nice spam

Originally posted by iceman24567
^ Nice spam I see Thanos beating a guy Superman(kid) laid out or Orion one pieced.

Darkseid's a bit too powerful for these guys.

Thanos could probably take a huge trashing from Doomsday, but if DS lets loose the OE, then it's over

Originally posted by curryman
Darkseid's a bit too powerful for these guys.

Thanos could probably take a huge trashing from Doomsday, but if DS lets loose the OE, then it's over Based on it killing or beating who ? Failed against Dd.

Don't pay curry any attention.

Dont pay carv any attention either

Originally posted by curryman
Darkseid's a bit too powerful for these guys.

Thanos could probably take a huge trashing from Doomsday, but if DS lets loose the OE, then it's over Based on ?

The oe failed to beat Doomsday. Thanos has withstood far more powerful characters than ether of these two.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

The oe failed to beat Doomsday. Thanos has withstood far more powerful characters than ether of these two.

OB remember
Also this is Pre Crisis DS. Different animal altogether.

Originally posted by h1a8
OB remember
Also this is Pre Crisis DS. Different animal altogether. You never proved it remember.


Crisis did not effect Seid. Not like it matters tbh.