DCnU Superman vs Gladiator

celeyhyga17

Probably would have said Gladz a few months ago, but DCnU Clark has been racking it up.. Enuff so that I can safely say he's pretty much pre-boot level..

Clark wins..

As Gladz is about to enter earth's atmosphere looking for a challenge, his teeth start to rattle from haymakers Clark is laying on Orion.

He thinks otherwise and high-tails out of there.. His last thought, "Fcuk, no!. I ain't gonna be on the receiving end of that!"

smokin'

Badabing

Originally posted by Badabing
Superman wins. Anybody saying different gets a 3 warning to a ban combo. sneer

Unless they kneel before liZod. biscuits

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by Badabing

Never gets old..

laughing

carver9

Gladiator flies 100 millionth miles through a gas giant.

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/1434/gladiatornuclearinferno2uc.jpg

Human torch Nova blast has been described as being hotter than the sun, Gladiator tanks it.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5296/gladiatorvsfantasticfour080sh.jpg

Gladiator flex and breaks Quasar bonds.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/676/gladq3kd8qp.png

This version of Superman has only shown mountain level punches (as stated on panel)...Gladiator crush planets with his fist.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8620/gladiatorvsplanet10tq.jpg

Enough strength to lay low a city.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4397/gladpower26gw.jpg

This doesn't include him combating at nano second speeds or tanking a blast with enough power to devistate a solar system.

celeyhyga17

abhilegend

Superman wins.Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator flies 100 millionth miles through a gas giant.

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/1434/gladiatornuclearinferno2uc.jpg

Human torch Nova blast has been described as being hotter than the sun, Gladiator tanks it.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5296/gladiatorvsfantasticfour080sh.jpg

Gladiator flex and breaks Quasar bonds.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/676/gladq3kd8qp.png

This version of Superman has only shown mountain level punches (as stated on panel)...Gladiator crush planets with his fist.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8620/gladiatorvsplanet10tq.jpg

Enough strength to lay low a city.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4397/gladpower26gw.jpg

This doesn't include him combating at nano second speeds or tanking a blast with enough power to devistate a solar system.
Don't make me post superman's feats.

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman wins.
Don't make me post superman's feats.

Post REBOOT Superman fts. I'm waiting.

carver9

Survives and TANKS a blast capable of destroying half of a solar system and CONTAINS the blast to the point that it created a star.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/370/wtfship2tj8.jpg/

Reed files states that Gladiator have near limitless strength.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/354/glad2jf0.jpg/

Powers through Binarys blast and one shot punch her.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/60603030cg2.jpg/

One shot Ben Grim..

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/123/95635323mg2.jpg/

Estacado

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman wins.
Don't make me post superman's feats.
Post it..just for the lulz..biscuits

abhilegend

Double post.

carver9

Again...post reboot Superman fts. I'm ready to see them.

JBL

Gladiator wins. Stronger, faster, far better fighter.

Branlor Swift

Originally posted by carver9
This version of Superman has only shown mountain level punches (as stated on panel)...Gladiator crush planets with his fist.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8620/gladiatorvsplanet10tq.jpg
This really says it all

psycho gundam

^ that reminds me: imo, gladiator 5 shotted that small planet (no atmosphere), not 3 shotted

1 - he slams into the planet, 2/3/4 all punches, then the 5th punch caused the onomatopoeia

-Pr-

Carver, that's a warning for your lowballing. Even Bada won't disagree with you being banned at this point, tbh.

I'm sure Abhi needs to be warned for coming on too strong, but I didn't read the whole thread.

psycho gundam

Originally posted by -Pr-
Carver, that's a warning for your lowballing. Even Bada won't disagree with you being banned at this point, tbh.

I'm sure Abhi needs to be warned for coming on too strong, but I didn't read the whole thread. wut? shouldn't someone just prove him wrong? not sure why a mod is needed to intervene (without even " the whole thread" for context)

Branlor Swift

You're a big meanie Paul

Nibedicus

What exactly did Carver "lowball"? Aside from him mentioning Superman's mountain-leveling punching (w/c isn't really much in terms of lowball).

I mean, the guy lowballs quite a bit, but I don't see im doing it NOW.

TheGodKiller

Originally posted by psycho gundam
wut? shouldn't someone just prove him wrong? not sure why a mod is needed to intervene (without " the whole thread" for context)
Raoul just wants an excuse to e-bully carter. sneer

-Pr-

Originally posted by psycho gundam
wut? shouldn't someone just prove him wrong? not sure why a mod is needed to intervene (without even " the whole thread" for context)

He's been flat out told and shown he's wrong, but this is carver. he thinks that things magically reset when the sun comes up.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You're a big meanie Paul

I know.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
What exactly did Carver "lowball"? Aside from him mentioning Superman's mountain-leveling punching (w/c isn't really much in terms of lowball).

I mean, the guy lowballs quite a bit, but I don't see im doing it NOW.

because he's applying "mountain level" as a maximum, when the comic blatantly shows that they weren't.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Raoul just wants an excuse to e-bully carter. sneer

HATE CRIME!

Glorificus

Gladiator.

Branlor Swift

it's a good way to build a basis, and quite frankly, his big shots usually have something about a mountain.

It's not like he focused on that either, he showed a ton of other scans

Poor carver.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by -Pr-
because he's applying "mountain level" as a maximum, when the comic blatantly shows that they weren't.

If so then it'd be a simple matter for someone to prove him wrong, tho? Should take like 5 seconds. I read the "feat" myself, as well and that's how I interpret it. /shrug

-Pr-

Originally posted by Nibedicus
If so then it'd be a simple matter for someone to prove him wrong, tho? Should take like 5 seconds. I read the "feat" myself, as well and that's how I interpret it. /shrug

Did you not read the first line of my post?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
it's a good way to build a basis, and quite frankly, his big shots usually have something about a mountain.

It's not like he focused on that either, he showed a ton of other scans

Poor carver.

sneer

JBL

Originally posted by Nibedicus
If so then it'd be a simple matter for someone to prove him wrong, tho? Should take like 5 seconds. I read the "feat" myself, as well and that's how I interpret it. /shrug True, if superman can do better, then why dont people show it? I am not trying to be funny or cause trouble, but superman himself should be banned from this forum because he has far too many supporters that think hes a God. IMO

psycho gundam

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's been flat out told and shown he's wrong, but this is carver. he thinks that things magically reset when the sun comes up. looks like someone reported him to you knowing you'd be more sympathetic to whatever irked them about superman "lowballing". could be wrong but that's what it looks like

"superman can only smash mountains with his punches"...... lowballing?

ares834

Originally posted by JBL
I am not trying to be funny or cause trouble, but superman himself should be banned from this forum because he has far too many supporters that think hes a God. IMO

laughing out loud

-Pr-

Originally posted by JBL
True, if superman can do better, then why dont people show it? I am not trying to be funny or cause trouble, but superman himself should be banned from this forum because he has far too many supporters that think hes a God. IMO

No.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
looks like someone reported him to you knowing you'd be more sympathetic to whatever irked them about superman "lowballing". could be wrong but that's what it looks like

"superman can only smash mountains with his punches"...... lowballing?

Nobody reported him, I just came across the post when I glanced at the thread.

Zack Fair

Gladiator.

carver9

Wow...just wow. Don't see where I lowballed but whatever. Don't see how Curry can get away with lowballing Hulk every day without a warning or H1 lowballing Thor along with tons of other characters every day without a warning. I state something that is shown in a comic and I get warned. Ain't that some crap. There are people here that needs more attention towards them than I do. I guess until I get banned, some light will shed on the other posters who lowballs every day. I guess it has something to do with superman. Could be the reason I tend to get warnings all of the time.

-Pr-

Originally posted by carver9
Wow...just wow. Don't see where I lowballed but whatever. Don't see how Curry can get away with lowballing Hulk every day without a warning or H1 lowballing Thor along with tons of other characters every day without a warning. I state something that is shown in a comic and I get warned. Ain't that some crap. There are people here that needs more attention towards them than I do. I guess until I get banned, some light will shed on the other posters who lowballs every day. I guess it has something to do with superman. Could be the reason I tend to get warnings all of the time.

Ok, now the joke warning is a real warning.

But sure, two wrongs make a right.

Branlor Swift

Carver should just go on a "report curry, abby, and H1" spree.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by carver9
Wow...just wow. Don't see where I lowballed but whatever. Don't see how Curry can get away with lowballing Hulk every day without a warning or H1 lowballing Thor along with tons of other characters every day without a warning. I state something that is shown in a comic and I get warned. Ain't that some crap. There are people here that needs more attention towards them than I do. I guess until I get banned, some light will shed on the other posters who lowballs every day. I guess it has something to do with superman. Could be the reason I tend to get warnings all of the time.
Don worry Carvster, I got ure back..

PR u bully!!

Clark still wins.

smokin'

CosmicComet

For now, I would still give it to Gladiator.

Clark hasn't really picked up awesome, quantifiable speed feats yet to match with Gladiator.

TheGodKiller

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ok, now the joke warning is a real warning.
When was the joke warning not a real warning?

carver9

I was just blowing off steam...not disputing the warning.

thumb up

-Pr-

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
When was the joke warning not a real warning?

Do you know how many times Bada and I "warn" people? If every warning was genuine, the forum would be empty by now.

Plus, I was mostly gone for a week. Have to make up for lost time.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by CosmicComet
For now, I would still give it to Gladiator.

Clark hasn't really picked up awesome, quantifiable speed feats yet to match with Gladiator.
Oh gawd no. Please don't turn this into a speed calculation fest..
mad

carver9

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver should just go on a "report curry, abby, and H1" spree.

laughing out loud

I didn't even include ABHI. I like the guy (no homo).

Zack Fair

Originally posted by -Pr-
Do you know how many times Bada and I "warn" people? If every warning was genuine, the forum would be empty by now.

Plus, I was mostly gone for a week. Have to make up for lost time. You people warning people left and right. Bullies.

CosmicComet

Originally posted by Zack Fair
You people warning people left and right. Bullies.

what do you mean 'you people'?

-Pr-

Originally posted by Zack Fair
You people warning people left and right. Bullies.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
what do you mean 'you people'?

psycho gundam

registered pedophiles

-Pr-

lol, "registered"

Zack Fair

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/212/240/ABANDON%20THREAD.gif

TheGodKiller

Originally posted by -Pr-
Do you know how many times Bada and I "warn" people? If every warning was genuine, the forum would be empty by now.

Plus, I was mostly gone for a week. Have to make up for lost time.
Joke post. Flew str8 over your head.

Btw, I know how to differentiate between a joke warning and a real warning, because Bada has given me both.

Zack Fair

Bada should ban you now for not kneeling uhuh

-Pr-

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Joke post. Flew str8 over your head.

Btw, I know how to differentiate between a joke warning and a real warning, because Bada has given me both.

sad

h1a8

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator flies 100 millionth miles through a gas giant.

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/1434/gladiatornuclearinferno2uc.jpg

Human torch Nova blast has been described as being hotter than the sun, Gladiator tanks it.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5296/gladiatorvsfantasticfour080sh.jpg

Gladiator flex and breaks Quasar bonds.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/676/gladq3kd8qp.png

This version of Superman has only shown mountain level punches (as stated on panel)...Gladiator crush planets with his fist.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8620/gladiatorvsplanet10tq.jpg

Enough strength to lay low a city.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4397/gladpower26gw.jpg

This doesn't include him combating at nano second speeds or tanking a blast with enough power to devistate a solar system.

LOL! I feel ashamed right now. I never really read that scan carefully of Gladiator busting the planet. The narration called it a lifeless ROCK that has WEATHERED the death of GALAXIES. So that means it was very small, with no atmosphere, and was probably more fragile than normal due to all the abuse it received from dying galaxies.

But it's still an impressive feat by far. Just not on the level I once thought it was.

Breaking the bonds is impressive too.

Resistance against heat is irrelevant in this fight.

Superman bench pressed the Earth. It takes more force to lift a planet against Earth like gravity than it takes to destroy it. That feat proved that Superman has the necessary strength to destroy Earth.

As far as this fight I can't say as I don't know much about DcNU Superman except the benchpressing feat. So Gladiator could possibly win here. Not sure yet.

Zack Fair

Gladiator wins simply because he has more history and a plethora of feats to draw upon.

52 Superman has the feats to make it a fight though.

TheGodKiller

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Bada should ban you now for not kneeling uhuh
I worship the cult of Christ's Raptor.

Ergo, that makes me immune to Bada's banment powers. thumb up

JBL

Originally posted by h1a8
LOL! I feel ashamed right now. I never really read that scan carefully of Gladiator busting the planet. The narration called it a lifeless ROCK that has WEATHERED the death of GALAXIES. So that means it was very small, with no atmosphere, and was probably more fragile than normal due to all the abuse it received from dying galaxies.

But it's still an impressive feat by far. Just not on the level I once thought it was.

Breaking the bonds is impressive too.

Resistance against heat is irrelevant in this fight.

Superman bench pressed the Earth. It takes more force to lift a planet against Earth like gravity than it takes to destroy it. That feat proved that Superman has the necessary strength to destroy Earth.

As far as this fight I can't say as I don't know much about DcNU Superman except the benchpressing feat. So Gladiator could possibly win here. Not sure yet. The narrator made it plain as day that the planet gladiator destroyed was large. When he said the term "rock" he was telling the readers that it was very durable, backed by the way it survived while others were destroyed. Now this is lowballing but its in supermans defense, soooooo.......

-Pr-

Lowballing is lowballing.

h1a8

Originally posted by JBL
The narrator made it plain as day that the planet gladiator destroyed was large. When he said the term "rock" he was telling the readers that it was very durable, backed by the way it survived while others were destroyed. Now this is lowballing but its in supermans defense, soooooo....... I'm not lowballing as I still don't feel Superman can beat Gladiator (or I'm not sure)

I swear I never saw "Lifeless Rock" before. This is my first time. The planet had no atmosphere (I didn't notice that either). That means its gravity was too small to sustain one. Low gravity = low mass.

Any heavenly body object is large. Who are you trying to fool? Hell if Glads destroyed the moon then that's still higher than any average high herald strength feat.

Other's were not destroyed as you see other planets in the same scan.

Regardless of the fact, weathering abuse makes you less durable (not more).

Branlor Swift

Can you give this guy a warning though?

psycho gundam

lol

Nibedicus

This is why no one takes h1 seriously.

I'm surprised he doesn't get a warning, tho.

ares834

I'm generally curious, why? How is he lowballing the feat? Admittedly, the less durable is sorta BS, but he is right about it potentially being a small planet. I certainly don't get the notion that it was large (for a planet) or even Earth sized.

h1a8

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Can you give this guy a warning though?

For what?
Point out what I said was incorrect.

IMO you should get a warning for backseat modding.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by Nibedicus
laughing

This is why no one takes h1 seriously.

I'm surprised he doesn't get a warning, tho.
Reported for back-seat modding.

-Pr-

Guys, who gets warned (like, real warnings) is up to the mods and the mods alone. discussing it is a form of backseat modding and isn't allowed.

Just to be clear, I never agreed that H1A8 was lowballing (this time); I just stated that lowballing is lowballing regardless of character.

h1a8

Originally posted by ares834
I'm generally curious, why? How is he lowballing the feat? Admittedly, the less durable is sorta BS, but he is right about it potentially being a small planet. I certainly don't get the notion that it was large (for a planet) or even Earth sized.

I agree less durable is somewhat BS but I'm thinking in terms of real science and not comic logic.

In comics, a character or object can have the same power level despite having used a lot or have taken much abuse.

They are like cartoons in a way. In one scene Tom (in Tom and Jerry) gets blasted by dynamite and in the next scene he is as good as new.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by ares834
I'm generally curious, why? How is he lowballing the feat? Admittedly, the less durable is sorta BS, but he is right about it potentially being a small planet. I certainly don't get the notion that it was large or even Earth sized.

Every planet in comics can be "potentially be a small planet" as much as it can "potentially be a huge planet". There is no definitive proof of either.

It IS however, somewhat an accepted consensus that planets SHOULD be larger than moons and from the looks of the art, it even looks like the damned planet was large enough to have several moons orbiting it.

carver9

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Can you give this guy a warning though?

laughing out loud

cdtm

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Gladiator wins simply because he has more history and a plethora of feats to draw upon.

52 Superman has the feats to make it a fight though.

True.

Superman started off strong, crushing Hal and tagging Flash. Clearly a rookie Hal, though.

I finally broke down and decided to catch up with DC, and I'm still not getting how all this fits together, considering Hal in Green Lantern is "current", experienced Hal, yet you see what looks like the same team from the JLA comics meeting Hal and Sinestro's replacement..

Branlor Swift

The scan also outright states that the planet supported life as well.

JBL

h1a8

ares834

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Every planet in comics can be "potentially be a small planet" as much as it can "potentially be a huge planet". There is no definitive proof of either.

It IS however, somewhat an accepted consensus that planets SHOULD be larger than moons and from the looks of the art, it even looks like the damned planet was large enough to have several moons orbiting it.

Except, he supports his notion that its a "small" planet with stuff from the narrative. It's not just a random assumption.

As for the so called "moons", in the first panel we see Gladiator flying past tons of objects floating in same. Quite simply those appear to be planets in the distance, not sure why the ones in the panel with Glads punching the planets couldnt be other planets as well.

Anyway, I'm not arguin that he is right. But I feel heis making a compelling case.

h1a8

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The scan also outright states that the planet supported life as well.

Correct! I didn't see that either til now. So two conclusions:

1. In comics an Earth sized planet can be without an atmosphere.
2. Races can live on planets with no atmosphere.
3. Or the artist incompetently drew the planet without an atmosphere.

-Pr-

Originally posted by JBL
True, but superman fans will always try and sell it as a little object in space. The thought of it being huge scares the heck out of them.

No, it really doesn't, and they no more try to discredit than Gladiator fans try to wank the shit out of it.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
It is a known scientific fact that very small planets cannot sustain an atmosphere.
The planet had no atmosphere. So it we should assume it had the largest mass possible that cannot support an atmosphere.

It has already been stated that the planet once supported life meaning that it once was most likely big enough to sustain an atmosphere.

Planets can lose their atmosphere thru outside forces (like getting sucked by a stronger gravitational pull or something extreme, like say, surviving a galaxy's destruction).

Instead of coming up with silly conclusions, maybe you should read the entire scan and use a little deductive reasoning first?

And where the hell did you come up with "no atmosphere" in the first place? I hope, not in the statement: "There is no sound in the airless void of space" because that is talking about "the airless void of space" and not the planet.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct! I didn't see that either til now. So two conclusions:

1. In comics an Earth sized planet can be without an atmosphere.
2. Races can live on planets with no atmosphere.
3. Or the artist incompetently drew the planet without an atmosphere.

1. Certainly possible.
2. Another possibility, but unlikely and shouldn't be concluded w/o something on-panel that aludes to this.
3. OR you don't look at the comics you like to BS about because if you based it on artist's drawing, 4th panel from the top certainly DOES look like it has a blue hue outline that may be interpreted as an atmosphere.

Edit. Didn't notice that I didn't finish one of my sentences.

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. Certainly possible.
2. Another possibility, but unlikely and shouldn't be concluded
3. OR you don't look at the comics you like to BS about because if you based it on artist's drawing, 4th panel from the top certainly DOES look like it has a blue hue outline that may be interpreted as an atmosphere.

1. agreed
2. we many times have seen beings on planets and moons without atmosphere in comics. They can talk and everything lol. But your assessment is correct. This is more unlikely here.
3. Well in the earlier panel we see ZERO atmosphere. So

a. The blue hue in the 4th panel was something else. Maybe reflected light or just art to highlight the planet.

b. it was an atmosphere. But the artist messed up and didn't draw it the first time.

confused

carver9

It really doesnt matter about the planet destroying punches...Gladiator containing a solar system destroying blast to the point that he created a star is>>>>>>>>planetary fts.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
1. agreed
2. we many times have seen beings on planets and moons without atmosphere in comics. They can talk and everything lol. But your assessment is correct. This is more unlikely here.
3. Well in the earlier panel we see ZERO atmosphere. So

a. The blue hue in the 4th panel was something else. Maybe reflected light or just art to highlight the planet.

b. it was an atmosphere. But the artist messed up and didn't draw it the first time.

confused

Yes, the art is vague. How does this in any way, prove your silly little theory that there is no atmosphere?

-Pr-

Originally posted by carver9
It really doesnt matter about the planet destroying punches...Gladiator containing a solar system destroying blast to the point that he created a star is>>>>>>>>planetary fts.

Yes, if he'd actually done that, it would be.

Nibedicus

Yeah carv, when the heck did that happen??

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, the art is vague. How does this in any way, prove your silly little theory that there is no atmosphere?
The theory wasn't really silly since you don't see an atmosphere in the first scene of the planet while at the SAME TIME the narration says "lifeless rock".

It doesn't prove it. Proof is not always an option in comics. That is why we use evidence and reasoning to convince (not prove). I didn't notice the talk about a race of beings nor did I notice the blue hue in the 4th panel that could possibly be an atmosphere.

Take those 2 things away and the evidence supporting the planet not having an atmosphere is indisputable, do you agree?

Branlor Swift

Originally posted by h1a8
Take those 2 things away and the evidence supporting the planet not having an atmosphere is indisputable, do you agree?

laughing out loud

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
The theory wasn't really silly since you don't see an atmosphere in the first scene of the planet while at the SAME TIME the narration says "lifeless rock".

It doesn't prove it. Proof is not always an option in comics. That is why we use evidence and reasoning to convince (not prove). I didn't notice the talk about a race of beings nor did I notice the blue hue in the 4th panel that could possibly be an atmosphere.

Take those 2 things away and the evidence supporting the planet not having an atmosphere is indisputable, do you agree?

Seriously, how does any of this crap even make sense in your head?

laughing

Zack Fair

Calculations, my friend.

Dem Calculations.

carver9

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yeah carv, when the heck did that happen??

When Gladiator strikes, a star is born next to pluto.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/GladiatorSolarSystem_zpsc0b32ca3.jpg.html

Branlor Swift

Carver you combined those two feats from memory didn't you?

carver9

Originally posted by carver9
When Gladiator strikes, a star is born next to pluto.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/GladiatorSolarSystem_zpsc0b32ca3.jpg.html

carver9

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver you combined those two feats from memory didn't you?

Nope, from the comic itself.

-Pr-

I love how the scan says something happened that wasn't what you said happened earlier.

Well, not "love"... There's another word...

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Seriously, how does any of this crap even make sense in your head?

laughing

What's funny? Anything wrong with what I said? If so then point it out.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
What's funny? Anything wrong with what I said? If so then point it out.

laughing

Read what you wrote a few times. You'll get it eventually. You can dooo eeet!

carver9

Originally posted by -Pr-
I love how the scan says something happened that wasn't what you said happened earlier.

Well, not "love"... There's another word...

The scan after that, Reed states the blast was contained and Gladiator contained it.

-Pr-

Originally posted by carver9
The scan after that, Reed states the blast was contained and Gladiator contained it.

I read the comic. And we've been through this before. Funny how you're still pulling the "maybe he's forgotten and I can get away with this argument" act.

carver9

Originally posted by -Pr-
I read the comic. And we've been through this before. Funny how you're still pulling the "maybe he's forgotten and I can get away with this argument" act.

Lol... you proved me wrong with Gladiator tanking it... after being hit by the blast, it fatigued him. Not what I'm disputing. What I am saying is...Gladiator contained the blast. The previous scan after Gladiator is being hit is... Gladiator strikes and a star is born. This scan from Reeds on mouth states "the blast is being contained", which it was being contained because Gladiator was containing it.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/370/wtfship2tj8.jpg/

-Pr-

And yet you still mentioned, in this very thread, the word "tanked".

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
laughing

Read what you wrote a few times. You'll get it eventually. You can dooo eeet! I've read it over and over. I see nothing wrong.

Are you pulling my leg?
Seriously, point out some shit.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
I've read it over and over. I see nothing wrong.

Are you pulling my leg?
Seriously, point out some shit.

laughing

Keep reading. You'll get it eventually.

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
laughing

Keep reading. You'll get it eventually.

Concession accepted. I'll take that as trolling on your part. You don't want to debate then fine. Just don't troll. Either point out incorrect reasoning or statements or just ignore.

I have no problems being wrong. I'm humble in the light of reasonable evidence and can accept it.

Branlor Swift

Originally posted by carver9
Nope, from the comic itself. You combined him flying and I believe containing the gas giant (been a while) with the scan you just posted.

or maybe I'm mistaken.

EDIT: Yeah, I thought you were talking about that 100 million light years gas giant feat

753

Originally posted by carver9
When Gladiator strikes, a star is born next to pluto.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/GladiatorSolarSystem_zpsc0b32ca3.jpg.html actually, we can safely conclude that was caused by whatever mechanism the skrulls activated just before gladiator hit the ship. it rigged the ship like a bomb.

753

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you proved me wrong with Gladiator tanking it... after being hit by the blast, it fatigued him. Not what I'm disputing. What I am saying is...Gladiator contained the blast. The previous scan after Gladiator is being hit is... Gladiator strikes and a star is born. This scan from Reeds on mouth states "the blast is being contained", which it was being contained because Gladiator was containing it.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/370/wtfship2tj8.jpg/ show us gladiator containing it. in fact, post the entire sequence that shows he contained the blast and that i was his pwoer output that led to starlike explosion near pluto and not the skrull's ship.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by ares834
Except, he supports his notion that its a "small" planet with stuff from the narrative. It's not just a random assumption.

As for the so called "moons", in the first panel we see Gladiator flying past tons of objects floating in same. Quite simply those appear to be planets in the distance, not sure why the ones in the panel with Glads punching the planets couldnt be other planets as well.

Anyway, I'm not arguin that he is right. But I feel heis making a compelling case.

Actually, if you've read the scan, you'll see that the narrative DOESN'T support his silly "too small to have an atmosphere" theory as the comic already states and I quote "The race w/c it spawned....", meaning that the planet was once inhabited.

Like I said, the art is vague, but it can be interpreted either way. You say distant planets, I say moon (IMO looks more like moons than distance planets to me, but w/e). H1'd like you to think of the planet as small but there is as much evidence of it being huge as there is evidence of it being small. W/c is my point. Art is vague and we should not base any conclusions on it but use narratives to support our theories/interpretations.

How can his argument is that "the planet has no atmosphere, thus it is small" be "compelling" when he has presented ZERO evidence to prove this theory?

carver9

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You combined him flying and I believe containing the gas giant (been a while) with the scan you just posted.

or maybe I'm mistaken.

EDIT: Yeah, I thought you were talking about that 100 million light years gas giant feat

Naah, that's an entirely different scene.

carver9

Originally posted by 753
show us gladiator containing it. in fact, post the entire sequence that shows he contained the blast and that i was his pwoer output that led to starlike explosion near pluto and not the skrull's ship.

It wasn't the skrulls that contained the blast and if it was their ship that exploded, then they would have died. Remember, the Xmen showed up to battle Gladiator in that same comic but it wasn't truly the Xmen, it was the same Skrulls Gladiator hawked down (that also hit him with that solar system destroying blast).

Why do I need to show you him containing it when we clearly see him in the heart of the blast and the narrator saying "Gladiator strikes and a star is born)? Clear as day.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
Concession accepted. I'll take that as trolling on your part. You don't want to debate then fine. Just don't troll. Either point out incorrect reasoning or statements or just ignore.

I have no problems being wrong. I'm humble in the light of reasonable evidence and can accept it.

laughing

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
laughing

There was so much wrong with your statement, that I just simply don't wanna waste time trying to correct you if you don't see what should be blatantly obvious. I just don't respect you enough to care.

Then fine, just don't troll. I think you are lying though. You can't find anything wrong with what i said. You just don't like what I said.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
Then fine, just don't troll. I think you are lying though. You can't find anything wrong with what i said. You just don't like what I said.

laughing

Keep telling yourself that.

Branlor saw it. I saw it. I'm sure everyone else who gives your posts 2 hoots (w/c is rare) saw it. Accusing ppl of lying, too. Lousy bait attempt. You're pathetic, h1.

carver9

I skip past H1 posts. Don't even waste my time reading it.

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, if you've read the scan, you'll see that the narrative DOESN'T support his silly "too small to have an atmosphere" theory as the comic already states and I quote "The race w/c it spawned....", meaning that the planet was once inhabited.

Like I said, the art is vague, but it can be interpreted either way. You say distant planets, I say moon (IMO looks more like moons than distance planets to me, but w/e). H1'd like you to think of the planet as small but there is as much evidence of it being huge as there is evidence of it being small. W/c is my point. Art is vague and we should not base any conclusions on it but use narratives to support our theories/interpretations.

How can his argument is that "the planet has no atmosphere, thus it is small" be "compelling" when he has presented ZERO evidence to prove this theory?

It wasn't silly in the light of not noticing the race of beings being spawned. I agree when it was pointed out.

The evidence to support the statement lies in the fact that small planets have no atmosphere while bigger planets do. So your statement, "he has presented ZERO evidence to prove this theory" is false.

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
laughing

Keep telling yourself that.

Branlor saw it. I saw it. I'm sure everyone else who gives your posts 2 hoots (w/c is rare) saw it. Accusing ppl of lying, too. Lousy bait attempt. You're pathetic, h1. It's not a bait attempt. If you thought you said something correct and another is saying no but not pointing it out then what would you think?

Branlor Swift

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
It wasn't silly in the light of not noticing the race of beings being spawned. I agree when it was pointed out.

The evidence to support the statement was small planets have no atmosphere while bigger planets do. So your statement, "he has presented ZERO evidence to prove this theory" is false.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

So, what you're saying is that what you said wasn't silly as long as we consider the fact that you didn't properly review all the facts in front of you before coming up with a conclusion?

laughing

753

Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't the skrulls that contained the blast and if it was their ship that exploded, then they would have died. Remember, the Xmen showed up to battle Gladiator in that same comic but it wasn't truly the Xmen, it was the same Skrulls Gladiator hawked down (that also hit him with that solar system destroying blast).

Why do I need to show you him containing it when we clearly see him in the heart of the blast and the narrator saying "Gladiator strikes and a star is born)? Clear as day. oh then what did the mechanism do?

they could have very simply directed the blast outward sparing the ship, they didn't have to die in it. by the same token, how would you explain them surviving Gladiator's star creating blast?

you seem to have the cronological order of this entirely messed up. i havent read the issue so I need it spelled out.

what caused the blast that threatened the solar system? where is it shown that gladiator was the one to contain it? did he hit the ship in the starlike explosion afterward? was he releasing the energy you think he contained?

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
It's not a bait attempt. If you thought you said something correct and another is saying no but not pointing it out then what would you think?

laughing

Really? "Lying" is the only thing that can possibly occur here? Not "he thinks it's so stupid he doesn't wanna waste time trying to correct you?"

753

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Gladiator is the only possible thing that could have contained it... if you say so, I never read that comic, which is I want the entire sequence intead of cropped scans to figure out the action

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
roll eyes (sarcastic)

So, what you're saying is that what you said wasn't silly as long as we consider the fact that you didn't properly review all the facts in front of you before coming up with a conclusion?

laughing

You're a silly boy.

You got proven wrong, just accept it and move on?

Read what I said again: "Zero evidence TO PROVE...". You presented a theory as "evidence" but in no ways does it prove anything. Thus, I was right. BAM!

That's correct. My reasoning is still sound (sound doesn't mean I'm correct though).
Silly means that you make a ludicrous claim while KNOWING all of the facts.

You said I provided zero evidence. This is clearly false since I stated a scientific fact supporting me. Are you saying that's a theory? If so then it has been proven the minimum mass a planet needs to sustain an atmosphere. I don't know the exact mass but it's certainly more than the moon but less than Earth.

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
laughing

Really? "Lying" is the only thing that can possibly occur here? Not "he thinks it's so stupid he doesn't wanna waste time trying to correct you?"

That doesn't not compute since I feel my reasoning is flawless and I feel you are smart enough to understand it. So you thinking it's silly AFTER I learned and admitted to the Race of beings thing is asinine.

carver9

Originally posted by 753
oh then what did the mechanism do?

they could have very simply directed the blast outward sparing the ship, they didn't have to die in it. by the same token, how would you explain them surviving Gladiator's star creating blast?

you seem to have the cronological order of this entirely messed up.

what caused the blast that threatened the solar system? where is it shown that gladiator was the one to contain it? did he hit the ship in the starlike explosion afterward? was he releasing the energy you think he contained?

The mechanism is what caused the blast.

By the time Gladiator left the blast (after containing it), the Skrulls was already on Earth.

They didn't need to survive it because they was on Earth during the time Gladiator flew out of the blast. That's why Gladiator attacked the Fantastic Four, he thought the Skrulls was posing as them.

He didn't hit the ship because again, the Skrulls was on Earth. Why would they have to show it when they quoted what happened during that instance: Gladiator strikes and a Star is born. A couple of scenes after this, Reed views the beam from outer space and states that the blast is being contained but again, by the time all of this happens, the Skrull is on Earth and Gladiator flew 100 times the speed of light to catch up to them (remember, their goal was to kill the fantastic four).

Your asking me to show you Gladiator containing the blast, how about you prove the Skrulls took place in containing said blast.

Branlor Swift

Originally posted by 753
if you say so, I never read that comic, which is I want the entire sequence intead of cropped scans to figure out the action
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_03.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_04.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_11.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_12.jpg

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
That's correct. My reasoning is still sound (sound doesn't mean I'm correct though).
Silly means that you make a ludicrous claim while KNOWING all of the facts.

You said I provided zero evidence. This is clearly false since I stated a scientific fact supporting me. Are you saying that's a theory? If so then it has been proven the minimum mass a planet needs to sustain an atmosphere. I don't know the exact mass but it's certainly more than the moon but less than Earth.

Nope, silly can be defined as foolish w/c can be defined as "resulting from stupidity or misinformation.." .

laughing

Are you desperate or what? You got proven wrong and now you're attempting to use semantics to at least get one thing right to make yourself feel better and still manage to fall flat on your face. READ: "Zero evidence TO PROVE..."

You stated a theory and tried to use a scientific phenomena that loosely applies to the situation, that proves nothing. Nice try cropping what I said to change its context, tho.

You got proven wrong. Move on, buddy. This is so sad...

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't not compute since I feel my reasoning is flawless and I feel you are smart enough to understand it. So you thinking it's silly AFTER I learned and admitted to the Race of beings thing is asinine.

laughing

I've already exposed flaws in your "reasoning" more than enough times today. I just don't feel like wasting anymore time with even more asinine stuff that you're spouting,

psycho gundam

Originally posted by h1a8
Proof is not always an option in comics.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
my reasoning is flawless

eek!

h1a8

Originally posted by Nibedicus
eek!

Good way to leave out "I feel" before the rest.

You purposely did that which makes me believe you don't see my reasoning as silly. You just want to make me look silly that's all.

753

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_03.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_04.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_11.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/FF249_12.jpg thanks

753

Originally posted by carver9
The mechanism is what caused the blast.

By the time Gladiator left the blast (after containing it), the Skrulls was already on Earth.

They didn't need to survive it because they was on Earth during the time Gladiator flew out of the blast. That's why Gladiator attacked the Fantastic Four, he thought the Skrulls was posing as them.

He didn't hit the ship because again, the Skrulls was on Earth. Why would they have to show it when they quoted what happened during that instance: Gladiator strikes and a Star is born. A couple of scenes after this, Reed views the beam from outer space and states that the blast is being contained but again, by the time all of this happens, the Skrull is on Earth and Gladiator flew 100 times the speed of light to catch up to them (remember, their goal was to kill the fantastic four).

Your asking me to show you Gladiator containing the blast, how about you prove the Skrulls took place in containing said blast. that clears up the chronology. gladiator did contain most of the blast. your previous posts implied he was the one that generated the starlike explosion near pluto.

Nibedicus

Originally posted by h1a8
Good way to leave out "I feel" before the rest.

You purposely did that which makes me believe you don't see my reasoning as silly. You just want to make me look silly that's all.

laughing

You believe a lot of funny things.

Branlor Swift

Originally posted by 753
that clears up the chronology. gladiator did contain most of the blast. your previous posts implied he was the one that generated the starlike explosion near pluto. That issue was crazy with Glads feats. And then the next issue shits on him almost entirely...

Although he did say he's moved worlds. Meh

leonidas

that issue also implied he had some form of tactile tk and pyrokinesis. maybe he was able to generate a forcefield too or some sort of psi shield or something. without any form of explanation, his containing that blast was just flat out dumb.

cdtm

Originally posted by leonidas
that issue also implied he had some form of tactile tk and pyrokinesis. maybe he was able to generate a forcefield too or some sort of psi shield or something. without any form of explanation, his containing that blast was just flat out dumb.

That's space cheese feats for you.

Original Drax apparently ripped apart a star with his bare hands, before his fight with Thanos, despite the fact Stars have nothing to grab onto..

carver9

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That issue was crazy with Glads feats. And then the next issue shits on him almost entirely...

Although he did say he's moved worlds. Meh

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8489/gladpower10ym.jpg

pym-ftw

Originally posted by cdtm
That's space cheese feats for you.

Original Drax apparently ripped apart a star with his bare hands, before his fight with Thanos, despite the fact Stars have nothing to grab onto..
Stars have a super compressed core, it theoretically is possible not sure how he could separate it in any meaningful way though...

h1a8

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Stars have a super compressed core, it theoretically is possible not sure how he could separate it in any meaningful way though...

It's not possible without some energy manipulation or telekinesis. The core is still fiery gases and plasma. Nothing in which to grab on to physically. It's almost like trying to pick up a lake and move it while grabbing on to some water. But at least water is closer to solid than gases or plasma is.