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Who wins

CIS PIS BFR OFF

Central City is where it takes place

I'm edging with despero

Black Adam wins.

Despero stomps. Adam is no superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Despero stomps. Adam is no superman. Youre right Black Adam is greater; more ruthless and no weaknesses.

Here is what happens to adam.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is what happens to adam. Nope.

Despero.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is what happens to adam.


That's captain marvel, Black Adam was already incapacitated at JSA headquarters by the other JSA being posses by the 7 sins.

Originally posted by the Darkone
That's captain marvel, Black Adam was already incapacitated at JSA headquarters by the other JSA being posses by the 7 sins.
I know. Anybody capable of knocking out cap so easily would do that to adam too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I know. Anybody capable of knocking out cap so easily would do that to adam too. Different characters and different mindsets.

That Despero owns Black Adam something fierce.

Yeah that version beats Adam easily

Its current despero and current BA

Well er...I dunno?

They are 2 near featless wonders.

Adam beat a newbie Cap Marvel and Despero got mind ****ed by Jonn.

Current Black Adam has jack all for feats.

Current Despero apparently was beating the Justice League + J'onn, but got solo'd by J'onn who turned him into a vegetable via mind rape.

I'm trying to think of a way to make this equal, adam wasn't anywere to be seen during the 60s/70s re-emerged through the 80's then everyone got retconned so there's not much pre crisis, I'm gonna make this post crisis versions

Black Adam wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Different characters and different mindsets.

also different powers. Courtesy of a deal Lady Blaze ( Shazam's demon daughter) made with the elder god set to pervert her fathers champion BA's powers come from different gods)

BA has greater durability than Cap because 2 of his gods give him that
he has greater strength for the same reason
he's no where near as fast because Heru ( the god that gives him speed) is not near light speed certainly not FTL
He also lacks Cap's endurance because no ine like Atlas in his make up.
using feats for Cap against Despero is false ABC logic

Adam has done what Despero has done with interest. Despero gets his face snatched off.

Originally posted by beatboks
also different powers. Courtesy of a deal Lady Blaze ( Shazam's demon daughter) made with the elder god set to pervert her fathers champion BA's powers come from different gods)

BA has greater durability than Cap because 2 of his gods give him that
he has greater strength for the same reason
he's no where near as fast because Heru ( the god that gives him speed) is not near light speed certainly not FTL
He also lacks Cap's endurance because no ine like Atlas in his make up.
using feats for Cap against Despero is false ABC logic So you agree that Adam wins.

Despero slaughters Black Adam, physically and mentally.

Originally posted by DTM
Despero slaughters Black Adam, physically and mentally. Based on ?

Despero.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Despero. How many out of ten do you think ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

God I hate when you say this......

Based on the fact that he was a match for basically 3 to 4 BA level opponents together, so 1 BA isnt going to take Despero down.

Originally posted by DTM
God I hate when you say this......

Based on the fact that he was a match for basically 3 to 4 BA level opponents together, so 1 BA isnt going to take Despero down. WW 3. It goes both ways. Teth wins.

Originally posted by DTM
God I hate when you say this......

Based on the fact that he was a match for basically 3 to 4 BA level opponents together, so 1 BA isnt going to take Despero down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW 3. It goes both ways. Teth wins.

WW3 wasnt an amped Black Adam, it was simply him not holding back and going all out (also, clearly his team wasnt dealing with him at full capacity, him being a teammate and all). Nothing he did there couldnt also have been done by Superman or Capt Marvel had they entered the same mental state. Despero a match for several equals to Black Adam at one time easily shows Adam alone stands little to no chance here.

Originally posted by DTM
WW3 wasnt an amped Black Adam, it was simply him not holding back and going all out (also, clearly his team wasnt dealing with him at full capacity, him being a teammate and all). Nothing he did there couldnt also have been done by Superman or Capt Marvel had they entered the same mental state. Despero a match for several equals to Black Adam at one time easily shows Adam alone stands little to no chance here. At the time he was not amped and there were more heroes against Adam as well.

Prove it.

Prove what? Since the beginning of BAs existence, hes basically had the same exact powers as Capt Marvel, hes basically been an evil Capt Marvel (different mindset, same physical abilities), yet Capt Marvel was one of 4 or 5 others (of equal power) that Despero was fighting together. I say you prove to me that BA all of a sudden can do something that Superman, Capt Marvel, Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Hourman combined were a match for.

Originally posted by DTM
Prove what? Since the beginning of BAs existence, hes basically had the same exact powers as Capt Marvel, hes basically been an evil Capt Marvel (different mindset, same physical abilities), yet Capt Marvel was one of 4 or 5 others (of equal power) that Despero was fighting together. I say you prove to me that BA all of a sudden can do something that Superman, Capt Marvel, Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Hourman combined were a match for. That is one showing and we've seen far less beat him. Cap. marvel is not Black Adam so quit trying to interchange the two. Black Adam wins.

Uh, physically YES, Capt Marvel and Black Adam are equals.

And yes, there have been several showings of Despero, pre and post him getting all Hulked out physically, though most of the post forms were Top Level JLA fighters, which I definately do not consider BA in that level.

Hes like Ultron that way, some Ultrons could fight and defeat entire Top Tier Avengers teams, other Ultrons lost to WCA or worse.

Originally posted by DTM
Uh, physically YES, Capt Marvel and Black Adam are equals.

And yes, there have been several showings of Despero, pre and post him getting all Hulked out physically, though most of the post forms were Top Level JLA fighters, which I definately do not consider BA in that level.

Hes like Ultron that way, some Ultrons could fight and defeat entire Top Tier Avengers teams, other Ultrons lost to WCA or worse. Skill, temperament. Not the same.

Ultron is different than Despero. I see Teth as beating the life from him. Too ruthless.

I said they had different mindsets, but physically CM and BA are the same.

As for BA vs Ultron, again depends on which version. Some yes sure, others Black Adam wouldnt even be able to dent.

Originally posted by DTM
I said they had different mindsets, but physically CM and BA are the same.

As for BA vs Ultron, again depends on which version. Some yes sure, others Black Adam wouldnt even be able to dent. You agree then by saying mindset is different that they are not the same.

Prove it.

Im pretty sure I said from the beginning that CM and BA were different mentally, but physically the same. Different attitudes and what not, but the same strength, speed, toughness, etc.

Originally posted by DTM
Im pretty sure I said from the beginning that CM and BA were different mentally, but physically the same. Different attitudes and what not, but the same strength, speed, toughness, etc. If you believe they aren't the same you concede the point.

Originally posted by DTM
I said they had different mindsets, but physically CM and BA are the same.

As for BA vs Ultron, again depends on which version. Some yes sure, others Black Adam wouldnt even be able to dent.

Plus mind rape.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you believe they aren't the same you concede the point.

Debating with you is like talking to a brick wall, my friend, and about as much point in doing so.

Originally posted by DTM
Debating with you is like talking to a brick wall, my friend, and about as much point in doing so. Trying to use anothe character with a different mindset and level of aggression as proof is ridiculous.

Originally posted by DTM
Debating with you is like talking to a brick wall, my friend, and about as much point in doing so.

You should stop. I have been ignoring him for a while now.

Considering this is about a physical fight, not a game of chess, yes I thought comparing physicalities to be quite relevant here. If you think Black Adam defeats a foe that was fighting essentially 3 to 4 of him, at the same time, Im wondering if you know how "ridiculous" that sounds in return. Also considering that CM beats BA more often than not in their respective careers, then I dont see BA different mindset making him leagues above CM, or above at all really.

Originally posted by Golgo13
You should stop. I have been ignoring him for a while now.

Eh, hes fun, like talking to a senile person who doesnt know what day it is, almost too easy really, but hey, if he insists......

Originally posted by DTM
Eh, hes fun, like talking to a senile person who doesnt know what day it is, almost too easy really, but hey, if he insists......

Originally posted by DTM
Eh, hes fun, like talking to a senile person who doesnt know what day it is, almost too easy really, but hey, if he insists...... Leave abhi alone. At least wait until Hes online to attack him.

Originally posted by Golgo13
You should stop. I have been ignoring him for a while now. Face me.

Originally posted by DTM
Considering this is about a physical fight, not a game of chess, yes I thought comparing physicalities to be quite relevant here. If you think Black Adam defeats a foe that was fighting essentially 3 to 4 of him, at the same time, Im wondering if you know how "ridiculous" that sounds in return. Also considering that CM beats BA more often than not in their respective careers, then I dont see BA different mindset making him leagues above CM, or above at all really.

Despero is much more than a brick, though.

Exactly my point, BA stands little chance against Despero by himself on a physical level, adding in mental attacks during this physical brawl, and BA is out in record time.

Originally posted by DTM
Exactly my point, BA stands little chance against Despero by himself on a physical level, adding in mental attacks during this physical brawl, and BA is out in record time. Based on ?

BASED ON the fact that Despero was already proven to be a match for 3 or 4 Black Adam level opponents combined (for the 5th time already).

Really, I know you get a dime for everytime you say "based on?" but really.

Originally posted by DTM
BASED ON the fact that Despero was already proven to be a match for 3 or 4 Black Adam level opponents combined (for the 5th time already).

Really, I know you get a dime for everytime you say "based on?" but really. Weve seen Black Adam fight multiple characters with great power before as well. Black Adam does not have the low showings which lower the average, greatly.

Tell me the last time Black Adam fought a force like Superman, Capt Marvel, Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Hourman TOGETHER, and was a match for them all. Not even in WW3 did he do so, which clearly youre using BA from here.

Originally posted by DTM
Tell me the last time Black Adam fought a force like Superman, Capt Marvel, Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Hourman TOGETHER, and was a match for them all. Not even in WW3 did he do so, which clearly youre using BA from here. He fought greater forces in WW3. You're basing your entire opinion on one showing for Despero.

Originally posted by DTM
Exactly my point, BA stands little chance against Despero by himself on a physical level, adding in mental attacks during this physical brawl, and BA is out in record time.

And it's not even close, IMO. Despero Vs the General. Who do you got?

As you are basing your entire argument on WW3 (and no, the JSA force that Black Adam fought in WW3 was not close to the level of Superman, Capt Marvel, Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Hourman - keeping in mind they didnt want to beat him, just stop him, Despero wanted those heroes dead, the JSA did not have the same mindset when trying to container BA in WW3).

Originally posted by Golgo13
And it's not even close, IMO. Despero Vs the General. Who do you got? Thats off topic.

Originally posted by DTM
As you are basing your entire argument on WW3 (and no, the JSA force that Black Adam fought in WW3 was not close to the level of Superman, Capt Marvel, Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Hourman - keeping in mind they didnt want to beat him, just stop him, Despero wanted those heroes dead, the JSA did not have the same mindset when trying to container BA in WW3).

Yeah, they were holding back.

Originally posted by Golgo13
And it's not even close, IMO. Despero Vs the General. Who do you got?

Physically its probably a match, slight edge to Eiling, though with mental bolts flying from Despero, in the end Id give him the win.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yeah, they were holding back. Still a greater sowing of heroes than what Despero faced.

Not even close IMO.

Originally posted by DTM
As you are basing your entire argument on WW3 (and no, the JSA force that Black Adam fought in WW3 was not close to the level of Superman, Capt Marvel, Wonder Woman, Power Girl and Hourman - keeping in mind they didnt want to beat him, just stop him, Despero wanted those heroes dead, the JSA did not have the same mindset when trying to container BA in WW3). That is one showing and one alone you are basing it off of. You can't ignore the lower showings. That is one showing I am countering your one showing with.

Originally posted by DTM
Not even close IMO.

Maybe if Adam had a small team with him.

Or a big team.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Maybe if Adam had a small team with him. Really ?

Originally posted by DTM
Or a big team.

Like the JLA.

Yeah, then Id vote for BA to win here.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Like the JLA. Do you really think he needs the entire Jla backing him here ?

Originally posted by DTM
Yeah, then Id vote for BA to win here. You can't be serious.

Originally posted by DTM
Yeah, then Id vote for BA to win here.

Adam
Billy
Superman
GL
Flash

Should be good to go.

Sure, with that lineup, Id probably go JLA as well (BA would help there, alittle bit, Im sure).

Originally posted by DTM
Sure, with that lineup, Id probably go JLA as well (BA would help there, alittle bit, Im sure). You are still flawed since you are just focusing on one showing.

Originally posted by DTM
Sure, with that lineup, Id probably go JLA as well (BA would help there, alittle bit, Im sure).

I think Superman will help the most, since he has pretty good willpower. But the JLA might need a strong TP to win the majority.

As I said, as are you, with BA in WW3. Also, Despero after VnV fought and almost took out a top level JLA again, with only Superman and Zatanna barely about to defeat him. Now we have 2 instances.

Originally posted by DTM
As I said, as are you, with BA in WW3. Also, Despero after VnV fought and almost took out a top level JLA again, with only Superman and Zatanna barely about to defeat him. Now we have 2 instances. They defeated him whereas Black Adam spared MM so there's that too. We also have many other showings while you even highlight another defeat.

Originally posted by DTM
As I said, as are you, with BA in WW3. Also, Despero after VnV fought and almost took out a top level JLA again, with only Superman and Zatanna barely about to defeat him. Now we have 2 instances.

Yep, yep. Didn't they need the assistance of Johnny Sorrow to take him out?

In VnV I think they did, in the JLA appearance afterwards, no I dont believe so.

Originally posted by DTM
In VnV I think they did, in the JLA appearance afterwards, no I dont believe so. You can't just focus on certain showings.

Originally posted by DTM
In VnV I think they did, in the JLA appearance afterwards, no I dont believe so.

MM needed to pull a one time mind power move to take out Despero back in the day. Only could be used once in a lifetime.

I have TWO showings now where Despero was a Top Level JLA threat, you have ONE instance (WW3). You think Black Adam could come close to doing what Despero did in VnV or that JLA appearance afterwards, think again.

Originally posted by Golgo13
MM needed to pull a one time mind power move to take out Despero back in the day. Only could be used once in a lifetime.

Ah, yes, thats another instance where Despero was a Huge JLA threat, so thats THREE instances, to BAs ONE.

Originally posted by DTM
I have TWO showings now where Despero was a Top Level JLA threat, you have ONE instance (WW3). You think Black Adam could come close to doing what Despero did in VnV or that JLA appearance afterwards, think again. He took on the jsa so that's two showings.

Originally posted by DTM
Ah, yes, thats another instance where Despero was a Huge JLA threat, so thats THREE instances, to BAs ONE.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I named 2.

Originally posted by DTM
Ah, yes, thats another instance where Despero was a Huge JLA threat, so thats THREE instances, to BAs ONE.

Don't forget his other abilities.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t438749.html

WW3 Adam was certainly amped. He was powered by seven gods and Isis' power.

hawkman beat the shit out of him with some help from Alan when he took on JSA. Poor teth. Firestorm also oneshotted him. Captain nazi was also choking him out.

Ouch, doesnt sound very good for BA, does it.

Originally posted by DTM
Ouch, doesnt sound very good for BA, does it.

There are other instances where Despero took on teams. Did you check it out? Also, lifting the ROE is pretty uber strength feat.

Eh, Im sure BA can do all of that in his sleep.

Originally posted by DTM
Eh, Im sure BA can do all of that in his sleep.

Dreams are a powerful thing.

Originally posted by DTM
Ouch, doesnt sound very good for BA, does it.
Behold the JSA beating Adam getting his shit pushed in by Hawkman untill Cap stops him.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16088798_adamlol.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16088799_adamlol2.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Behold the JSA beating Adam getting his shit pushed in by Hawkman untill Cap stops him.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16088798_adamlol.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16088799_adamlol2.jpg Quit ignoring the rest of the fight and the details. Simply untrue.

Originally posted by DTM
Ouch, doesnt sound very good for BA, does it. He is wrong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
WW3 Adam was certainly amped. He was powered by seven gods and Isis' power. When did I say he was not amped ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Behold the JSA beating Adam getting his shit pushed in by Hawkman untill Cap stops him.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16088798_adamlol.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16088799_adamlol2.jpg

Wasn't there help from Hector and Rex?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Wasn't there help from Hector and Rex?
No.