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Khan faces off with Wolverine in San Francisco just after the crash of the Vengence in Into Darkness.
Wolverine is working for starfleet in this time period and he is straight on Khan's trail when Khan escapes the ship.

Khan is armed with his strength, speed, his mind and other attributes from Star Trek VII he fights as is.

Wolverine fights as is, and he has knowledge of STera tech, even though he hates it..


Who wins on the showdown...?

Logan shreds him to pieces. Probably even more vicious once we see new feats from "The Wolverine"

Originally posted by KingD19
Logan shreds him to pieces. Probably even more vicious once we see new feats from "The Wolverine"

wolverine could whoop khan even before he started roiding.

also the clipping on that wolverine pic is atrocious.

Khan is stronger, faster, and more skilled than Wolverine. In a pure fist fight Khan should be able to whoop Wolverine for the first few minutes. Unfortunately, Logan's healing factor will become a factor before long. Plus if you include the claws, then Khan probably won't last very long.

It's not fair to make Khan fight barehanded whereas Wolverine is armed with claws. At least give Khan an unbreakable sword or something. He'll still lose in the end due to Wolverine's healing factor, but at least it will be a more even fight.

Even without his claws, Wolverine took hits from Blob(much stronger than Khan), and ko'd him with an Adamantium elbow drop. He's also blocking hits from Silver Samurai giant robo-san in Wolverine trailers, and blocked Cyclop's optic beams which had immense kinetic impact force behind them.

Can Kahn produce the same force as a bullet to the head?

Wolverine, even without his claws the guy can fight

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Wolverine is working for starfleet...he has knowledge of STera tech, even though he hates it...H'm. Would a transporter work on adamantium?

Originally posted by KingD19
Even without his claws, Wolverine took hits from Blob(much stronger than Khan), and ko'd him with an Adamantium elbow drop. He's also blocking hits from Silver Samurai giant robo-san in Wolverine trailers, and blocked Cyclop's optic beams which had immense kinetic impact force behind them.

I'm not sure we really know just how strong Blob is compared to Khan. Just because he's bigger doesn't mean he's stronger. Plus Khan is better trained. Blob was slow and didn't look like he knew how to throw a punch. He may have been taking blows from Blob but Mystique was beating the crap out of him till he finally managed to gut her.

Without his claws, Wolverine takes a beating. Heals from the beating and waits for Khan to get tired, then knocks him out.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Can Kahn produce the same force as a bullet to the head?

If given a weapon like a steel pipe or hammer, probably.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not sure we really know just how strong Blob is compared to Khan. Just because he's bigger doesn't mean he's stronger. Plus Khan is better trained. Blob was slow and didn't look like he knew how to throw a punch.

Without his claws, Wolverine takes a beating. Heals from the beating and waits for Khan to get tired, then knocks him out.

No. Blob is stronger. He put his fist into a tank barrel and caused the tank shell to back blast into the cabin, blowing the entire thing up with casual ease. He didn't even move from the impact. He was knocking Logan clear across the boxing ring and across the room in a comical fashion despite being an out of shape slob. He was quick enough to catch Logan with several hits, despite him outfighting Sabretooth. And despite that strength and durability shown, a single elbow drop to the noggin still put him on his ass.

Didn't Blob punch a tank shell back into the tank and later knock Wolverine across the gym just by running into him?

Edit: Looks like I spent to much time on the response screen

Yeah. He'd have been an uber badass if he stayed in shape.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Didn't Blob punch a tank shell back into the tank and later knock Wolverine across the gym just by running into him?

Edit: Looks like I spent to much time on the response screen

IIRC he put his hand in the tank's firing tube and stopped the shell there. It's part of his mutant powers. I'm not saying that Blob is not strong or not tough. Just that we don't know how strong Khan is exactly in comparison to blob. Blob is definitely tougher though, but Khan is faster and more skilled. An elbow drop to the head would definitely knock Khan out... IF wolverine can hit him. We saw what an unarmed Mystique can do to Wolverine.

Again, I'm not saying Khan wins this. Wolverine does win, but he only wins due to healing factor and an unfair advantage in that he has indestructible weapons whereas Khan is fighting unarmed.

Blob's mutant powers are superhuman strength and durability. Usually in the Class 90-100 range in the comics. And it's at least in the multiple tons to be able to stop a tank shell and cause it to back blast while he himself is totally unharmed, and slam Logan around like a rag doll.

We know that based on that, in comparison to Blob, Khan is a lot weaker. Probably weaker than Cap considering he doesn't have feats of knocking people 15+ feet and taking as long as he did to beat down Kirk.

Also, despite Blob's evident durability, he was not only frightened of Logan's claws, but was TKO'd by a single elbow drop to the head.(Also Logan jumped nearly 10 feet vertically to deliver the elbow which shows super strength as well) Even without his claws, Wolverine's hits are super hard due to his metal bones and his healing factor allowing his muscles to operate at a higher efficiency. And he's stronger than Kirk shown by his ability to block optic beams which punch through concrete and metal like paper, and blocking a giant robot swinging a sword down at him. He'll have Khan seeing stars with every hit.

Originally posted by FrothByte
IIRC he put his hand in the tank's firing tube and stopped the shell there. It's part of his mutant powers. I'm not saying that Blob is not strong or not tough. Just that we don't know how strong Khan is exactly in comparison to blob. Blob is definitely tougher though, but Khan is faster and more skilled. An elbow drop to the head would definitely knock Khan out... IF wolverine can hit him. We saw what an unarmed Mystique can do to Wolverine.

Again, I'm not saying Khan wins this. Wolverine does win, but he only wins due to healing factor and an unfair advantage in that he has indestructible weapons whereas Khan is fighting unarmed.

Can Khan send someone flying across a gym just by running into them?

XfStzLBOWGM It's around the 32 second mark

Originally posted by KingD19
Blob's mutant powers are superhuman strength and durability. Usually in the Class 90-100 range in the comics. And it's at least in the multiple tons to be able to stop a tank shell and cause it to back blast while he himself is totally unharmed, and slam Logan around like a rag doll.

We know that based on that, in comparison to Blob, Khan is a lot weaker. Probably weaker than Cap considering he doesn't have feats of knocking people 15+ feet and taking as long as he did to beat down Kirk.

Also, despite Blob's evident durability, he was not only frightened of Logan's claws, but was TKO'd by a single elbow drop to the head.(Also Logan jumped nearly 10 feet vertically to deliver the elbow which shows super strength as well) Even without his claws, Wolverine's hits are super hard due to his metal bones and his healing factor allowing his muscles to operate at a higher efficiency. And he's stronger than Kirk shown by his ability to block optic beams which punch through concrete and metal like paper, and blocking a giant robot swinging a sword down at him. He'll have Khan seeing stars with every hit.

The elbow was also after the Blob hurt himself by headbutting Logan.

I forgot about the headbutt. And Logan pretty much tanked that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Can Khan send someone flying across a gym just by running into them?

XfStzLBOWGM It's around the 32 second mark

Khan sent someone flying across the room with a punch, and a punch doesn't have quite the same momentum as bulldozing someone with your whole body.

Comicbook blob is in the 100 ton class. Not sure how strong he is in the movie.

Fact is, Khan is still stronger than Wolverine. And just about anyone who has decent h2h skills have beat up Wolverine, with his adamantium skeleton and HF the only things that enable him to win.

Wolverine has had difficulty beating people like Mystique and Gambit in h2h. He'll have a harder time beating Khan especially if he doesn't utilize his claws.

Blob although strong is extremely slow and didn't showcase any decent h2h skill.

Do you think Khan would have done any better against Gambit?

Wolverine.
Originally posted by Mindship
H'm. Would a transporter work on adamantium?
Why wouldn't it? It's matter same as anything else. It can be converted into energy. Does it emit a powerful radioactive field? That's the only way a transporter wouldn't work on it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you think Khan would have done any better against Gambit?

Yes. And definitely better against Mystique.

Originally posted by FrothByte
IIRC he put his hand in the tank's firing tube and stopped the shell there. It's part of his mutant powers. I'm not saying that Blob is not strong or not tough. Just that we don't know how strong Khan is exactly in comparison to blob. Blob is definitely tougher though, but Khan is faster and more skilled. An elbow drop to the head would definitely knock Khan out... IF wolverine can hit him. We saw what an unarmed Mystique can do to Wolverine.

Again, I'm not saying Khan wins this. Wolverine does win, but he only wins due to healing factor and an unfair advantage in that he has indestructible weapons whereas Khan is fighting unarmed.

aren't you forgetting Khan's superior skills??

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
aren't you forgetting Khan's superior skills??

I'm pretty sure I mentioned his superior h2h skills in an earlier post. But yeah like I said, Khan is stronger, faster, and a better fighter than Wolverine. But logan still wins in the end due to his HF and unfair advantage in having unbreakable claws whereas Khan is fighting here unarmed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm pretty sure I mentioned his superior h2h skills in an earlier post. But yeah like I said, Khan is stronger, faster, and a better fighter than Wolverine. But logan still wins in the end due to his HF and unfair advantage in having unbreakable claws whereas Khan is fighting here unarmed.


Even if Khan has a weapon it really wouldn't matter

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes. And definitely better against Mystique.

The fight started with Wolverine taking a charged card to the chest and then being blasted through a brick wall, I don't recall Khan being durable enough to tank that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fight started with Wolverine taking a charged card to the chest and then being blasted through a brick wall, I don't recall Khan being durable enough to tank that.

Yes agreed. Khan would have been KO'd or even killed by that charged shot. But then, I doubt he'd get hit anyway. Multiple Klingons were shooting at Khan while he was out in the open and he didn't get hit once. Not only do I believe that Gambit won't be able to hit him, I also think that Khan would have made the first move as soon as he thought Gambit was aggressive. Smashed Gambit in the face and broken his arm or something. Fight finished.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Even if Khan has a weapon it really wouldn't matter

At the very least, it would prolong the fight. At best, he could knock out Wolverine. Wolverine was knocked out by a gun to the head after all.

Logan was only knocked out by a pistol shot after Stryker shot him in the head with an Adamantium bullet and put a hole in his skull(because Fox is stupid that way).

Remember in Origins, Zero shot him in the head the moment he got out of the infusion tank with a higher caliber pistol than the cop had and all it did was ricochet and piss him off.

Mystique was beating the shit out of wolverine khan wins

Yet Wolverine beat the shit out of Sabretooth. Took on Deadpool. Dropped a dozen or so men in maybe a minute. KO'd Blob with ease. Took down Gambit, etc...

You can't just lowball him and ignore all his good feats, which vastly outnumber the bad, and remember Mystique almost got gutted for her troubles after Wolverine shook off the surprise of her being as good as she was.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes agreed. Khan would have been KO'd or even killed by that charged shot. But then, I doubt he'd get hit anyway. Multiple Klingons were shooting at Khan while he was out in the open and he didn't get hit once. Not only do I believe that Gambit won't be able to hit him, I also think that Khan would have made the first move as soon as he thought Gambit was aggressive. Smashed Gambit in the face and broken his arm or something. Fight finished.

Gambit was only a few feet from Wolverine when he threw the card, plus IIRC Wolverine was sitting down and unaware that Gambit could charge cards.

So, When did Khan show the speed needed to dodge such an attack.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yet Wolverine beat the shit out of Sabretooth. Took on Deadpool. Dropped a dozen or so men in maybe a minute. KO'd Blob with ease. Took down Gambit, etc...

You can't just lowball him and ignore all his good feats, which vastly outnumber the bad, and remember Mystique almost got gutted for her troubles after Wolverine shook off the surprise of her being as good as she was.

Wolverine did not beat the shit out of Sabertooth. It was the other way around. Sabertooth beat the crap out of Wolverine.

Look at Origins. Wolverine got his Adamantium and beat Sabretooth like he owed him money. And this was before a magical bullet in the head robbed him of his memory and all his skills and badassery.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Gambit was only a few feet from Wolverine when he threw the card, plus IIRC Wolverine was sitting down and unaware that Gambit could charge cards.

So, When did Khan show the speed needed to dodge such an attack.

Khan doesn't need to be fast enough to dodge that kind of attack. Khan is aggressive enough that he'll be the first one to attack.

Don't pull that. Do you think Khan would be fast enough to dodge the attack in the same position as Logan was in? Yes or no?

And Khan let Kirk wail on him for a while. He didn't attack him first. So that's a hole in your logic.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Khan doesn't need to be fast enough to dodge that kind of attack. Khan is aggressive enough that he'll be the first one to attack.

That isn't what happened in the Gambit vs Wolverine fight, which you said Khan would do better in....that fight started with Gambit throwing a charged card at an unsuspecting Wolverine.

Therefore that is the scenario for Gambit vs Khan....now please explain how Khan does better.

Quan you sat this out?

Originally posted by Supra
Quan you sat this out?

Probably because he knows Khan can't beat Wolverine.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Probably because he knows Khan can't beat Wolverine.

According to Khan Quan has yet to be beat by anyone.

That pretty much sums up everything about him.

Yup. Empty claims, empty head.

Massive post count, no actual content.

Always loud, and saying nothing.

Thats him/her.

As much as i dislike Wolverine i say he wins here.

Thats because you aren't yawnsomely biased like a certain unnamed troll lady boy* is.















*Who we will refer to only as 'Susan'