Does porn promote or prevent abuse to women?

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soopercavell
Some people says it objectifies women and promotes rape, others say it gives potential rapists an outlet. What do you think?

Mitch

Dolos
Promotes.

What happens when videos of depraved men getting them some isn't enough?

Darth Jello
Porn is like professional wrestling. It has both hardcore and casual fans and everybody is shocked when they find out how fake it actually is.

Dolos
It's virtual desensitization, real sexual relationships can be totally non-stimulating.

Darth Jello
It's also a business where a woman can exploit a customer and get paid for an optical illusion involving a close up of a penis while someone tosses cetaphil and margarita mix at her off camera.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Porn is like professional wrestling. It has both hardcore and casual fans and everybody is shocked when they find out how fake it actually is.

What all is fake out of curiosity?

NemeBro
Porn provokes abuse, not for women, but for my genitals.

Dolos
Originally posted by NemeBro
Porn provokes abuse, not for women, but for my genitals.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What all is fake out of curiosity? The ejaculations. It's all saline and rubber hosing.

Archaeopteryx
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What all is fake out of curiosity?

Sex in porn bears almost no resemblance to real life sex.

soopercavell
Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
Sex in porn bears almost no resemblance to real life sex.

For you perhaps....

-Mitch

Archaeopteryx
Originally posted by soopercavell
For you perhaps....

-Mitch

So you are a 40 to 50 year old man who always bangs early 20 somethings, no or very little kissing or foreplay, you get to shoot your load all over their face, you frequently have anal sex, you are often joined by one or more of your friends and/or she is also. You often have sex in positions that hardly exist and you both enjoy it. The list goes on and on. Porn is fantasy sex marketed primarily to males to use as masterbation fodder. You must have some sex life if it resembles a porno movie.

jaden101
I think what he means is black guys gangbang his wife while he's at work.

Darth Jello
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What all is fake out of curiosity?

There's actually a shocking amount of manipulation including speeding up of tape and overdubbing sound. Sloppy sex sounds a lot of times is a guy standing in front of a microphone plunging a pickle into a mayonnaise in an isolation booth. Cum is cetaphil and/or margarita mix, especially in photos. Poop is often a mix of cake, brownie batter, and ice cream, including in 2 girls, 1 cup. In some cases prop penises and sleight of hand.

C'mon, even in the seemingly cheep and seedy side of the industry, I'm sure a lot of the reality stars that look like they're in pleasure or in pain are actually just really good actors. Then some of the same actors and actresses give interviews about how great and horrible a director was in order to promote notoriety.

I'm not saying it's all fake but a lot of it is.

If you want to know how I know this, I listen to a lot of smodco podcasts and I was a music technology major for a semester.

Wei Phoenix
Originally posted by Darth Jello
There's actually a shocking amount of manipulation including speeding up of tape and overdubbing sound. Sloppy sex sounds a lot of times is a guy standing in front of a microphone plunging a pickle into a mayonnaise in an isolation booth. Cum is cetaphil and/or margarita mix, especially in photos. Poop is often a mix of cake, brownie batter, and ice cream, including in 2 girls, 1 cup. In some cases prop penises and sleight of hand.

C'mon, even in the seemingly cheep and seedy side of the industry, I'm sure a lot of the reality stars that look like they're in pleasure or in pain are actually just really good actors. Then some of the same actors and actresses give interviews about how great and horrible a director was in order to promote notoriety.

I'm not saying it's all fake but a lot of it is.

If you want to know how I know this, I listen to a lot of smodco podcasts and I was a music technology major for a semester.

Yeah I believe you, I wasn't doubting or questioning you, just wondering what were the fake parts of porn.

Omega Vision
Whirly thread.

Symmetric Chaos
The worst part of porn, by a wide margin, is the lack of skilled editors. Amateur porn has totally killed the artistry.

That's why I only watch armature porn.

siriuswriter
As long as no one's getting screwed financially or whatever, unless you're an addict or watching kiddie porn, it's healthy for everyone to be comfortable with all of the parts of themselves even - o my - their sexual selves. Since boys tend to be more on the horny alert than girls, using porn to help yourself is a much better option than.... well, I'm sure you all have healthy imaginations. Must be the porn.

BackFire
Originally posted by jaden101
I think what he means is black guys gangbang his wife while he's at work.

The American dream in action.

Robtard
Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
So you are a 40 to 50 year old man who always bangs early 20 somethings, no or very little kissing or foreplay, you get to shoot your load all over their face, you frequently have anal sex, you are often joined by one or more of your friends and/or she is also. You often have sex in positions that hardly exist and you both enjoy it. The list goes on and on. Porn is fantasy sex marketed primarily to males to use as masterbation fodder. You must have some sex life if it resembles a porno movie.

Of the 7 your listed, I'm 3 going on 4. Hoping for 5 some day thumb up

jinXed by JaNx
im more worried about whether or not porno promotes abuse towards midgets and amputees. The things those midgets and amputees do in pornos will leave gymnists scratching their heads

Lick_my_ego
Why do mucky movies have to either promote or prevent abuse? If people are gonna abuse other people it's because they are mentally unstable and they will do it no matter the amount of porn they may or may not have consumed. And I wouldn't attribute the lack of abuse to the vast array of porn available either, just that most people are normal, know right from wrong, not psychotic sociopath type folk. So no I wouldn't say porn either promotes or prevents the abuse of anyone. Unless of course it was me who did the abusing, after all, who wants to take responsibility for that sh.t? "The porn made me do it!!"

jinXed by JaNx
I really don't know what the poster was trying to ask or accomplish with this thread. Yes, there are genres of porno that are created to display degradation and physical abuse through sex. If you do any kind of research into the world of pornography you realize this within the first several minutes of your research. Just as there are different types of films that made to inspire certain thoughts and emotions there are different types of porno. The difference here is that when a porno is made with the focus to showcase physical and sexual abuse, it's done so to cater to a specific fantasy and expects no type of intellectual processing or radical self inferencing. Now, whether or not this promotes a degradation to personality or inspires negative actions is another question but, yes there is no question that there are pornos that promote abuse to woman and men alike. Porno in general, however is just like everything else. It's all in the eye of the beholder or should i say clicker. I think the question should be..,why does this appeal to certain people and what type of affects i can have on society. I suppose the question can be answered with simple psychology but i say, as long as people with fantasies of raping or graphically abusing others through sex can confront and contain these fantasies or urges through porno, then good.

Lick_my_ego
"any kind of research" made me laugh that one.
"what are you up to dear? Oh just some "ahem" research".

But yeah, what you said.

soopercavell
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I really don't know what the poster was trying to ask or accomplish with this thread.

Is it merely so simple that all porn perhaps leads to objectification and abuse or not.

-Micth

juggerman
Originally posted by Robtard
Of the 7 your listed, I'm 3 going on 4. Hoping for 5 some day thumb up

Do tell eek!

Oliver North
women are "abused" by porn as an extension of how they are abused more generally in society. ie: they are vulnerable to sexual exploitation by powerful men, they have issues with personal trauma, etc, etc, etc. Because women are put in positions where they have few other options or don't feel they have other options, they are put in a position where they can be exploited. In those instances, sure, porn is abusive, but so are most relationships between people that are formed on those exploitative foundations.

Is the existence of porn, broadly, abusive to women. no... In that same regard, porn isn't magical in any other way.

soopercavell
Originally posted by Oliver North
women are "abused" by porn as an extension of how they are abused more generally in society. ie: they are vulnerable to sexual exploitation by powerful men, they have issues with personal trauma, etc, etc, etc. Because women are put in positions where they have few other options or don't feel they have other options, they are put in a position where they can be exploited. In those instances, sure, porn is abusive, but so are most relationships between people that are formed on those exploitative foundations.

Is the existence of porn, broadly, abusive to women. no... In that same regard, porn isn't magical in any other way.

Doesn't porn objectify (is that the right word) womyn or wimmin is that how you spell it?

-Mitch

siriuswriter
Originally posted by soopercavell
Doesn't porn objectify (is that the right word) womyn or wimmin is that how you spell it?

-Mitch

Actually, it's "the wimminfolk." Also, instead of Mrs. you say "Goody Housewife" so you don't have to remember all of the girls' names. Cause they jes' don't matter that much ter the general health an' well-bein' of that there commune-ity.

Or you could say women or woman for singular and join the twenty first century.

Robtard
Originally posted by siriuswriter
As long as no one's getting screwed financially or whatever, unless you're an addict or watching kiddie porn, it's healthy for everyone to be comfortable with all of the parts of themselves even - o my - their sexual selves. Since boys tend to be more on the horny alert than girls, using porn to help yourself is a much better option than.... well, I'm sure you all have healthy imaginations. Must be the porn.

What kind of porn do you prefer to watch?

siriuswriter
Old musical Disney movies, where the girl wants to do something to change herself/the world, does so, and ends up with a sensitive, sexy he-man whose voice harmonizes perfectly with mine the heroine's.

Like Beauty and the Beast. Kinda have to check your brain at the bestiality and hallucenogenics that make the staff think they're household objects.

Damnit, how do you strike out something, anyway?!

Cyner
lol... the beast was also abusive emotionally and physically, Bell likely had stockholm syndrome or something...

soopercavell
Originally posted by siriuswriter
Actually, it's "the wimminfolk." Also, instead of Mrs. you say "Goody Housewife" so you don't have to remember all of the girls' names. Cause they jes' don't matter that much ter the general health an' well-bein' of that there commune-ity.

Or you could say women or woman for singular and join the twenty first century.

soz, I thought wimmin and womyn were pefurred by feminists as thay did not ave "men" in and were closer ta the "Ye olde English" root (whatever kind of plant that is).

-Mitch

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by soopercavell
soz, I thought wimmin and womyn were pefurred by feminists as thay did not ave "men" in and were closer ta the "Ye olde English" root (whatever kind of plant that is).

-Mitch

Those terms are "pefurred" only by the crazy ones.

soopercavell
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Those terms are "pefurred" only by the crazy ones.

Are Feminists claszed as "crazy" now? Harsh!

-Mitch

Darth Jello
The solution to this problem and perception of degradation or exploitation is simple.
1. Clearly legalize all pornography and prostitution that does not involve any living being legally incapable of giving consent.
2. Have all sex workers form a powerful union to negotiate fair pay for male and female actors, enforce mandatory and regular STD testing, educate workers about safe sex, meaning not just pregnancy and STD protection, but lessons in how to perform sex acts in a safe, entertaining and professional manner.
3. Shun any of the seedier, non-union operations via labeling, like the Union Label campaign did.
4. Enact legislation banning non-union prostitution.
5. Establish a government board in every major city for oversight of union operations such as making sure everyone is safe, of age, and tested.

I mean, let's not forget that in industry, unions were one of the biggest forces of training, quality assurance, and policing of illegal immigration before they lost power under Carter and Ronald McReagan.

focus4chumps
false dilemmas are fun

Michael643
The worst part of porn, by a wide margin, is the lack of skilled editors. Amateur porn has totally killed the artistry.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Darth Jello
1. Clearly legalize all pornography

The legal status of porn in the US is hilarious. No one will take pornographers to court because they know they'll lose. No one will take anti-porn laws off the books because no one ever brings it to the courts. It is effective only illegal because everyone knows its legal.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
2. Have all sex workers form a powerful union to negotiate fair pay for male and female actors, enforce mandatory and regular STD testing, educate workers about safe sex, meaning not just pregnancy and STD protection, but lessons in how to perform sex acts in a safe, entertaining and professional manner.

Use of condoms is apparently the only thing that is really needed in this arena. STD rates among porn stars are extremely low.

snowdragon
Originally posted by Darth Jello
The solution to this problem and perception of degradation or exploitation is simple.
1. Clearly legalize all pornography and prostitution that does not involve any living being legally incapable of giving consent.
2. Have all sex workers form a powerful union to negotiate fair pay for male and female actors, enforce mandatory and regular STD testing, educate workers about safe sex, meaning not just pregnancy and STD protection, but lessons in how to perform sex acts in a safe, entertaining and professional manner.
3. Shun any of the seedier, non-union operations via labeling, like the Union Label campaign did.
4. Enact legislation banning non-union prostitution.
5. Establish a government board in every major city for oversight of union operations such as making sure everyone is safe, of age, and tested.

I mean, let's not forget that in industry, unions were one of the biggest forces of training, quality assurance, and policing of illegal immigration before they lost power under Carter and Ronald McReagan.

You need someone to tie your shoes also?

Darth Jello
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Use of condoms is apparently the only thing that is really needed in this arena. STD rates among porn stars are extremely low.

Use of condoms will keep you safe from STD's (along with screening). They won't keep you safe if you break your penis slamming into chick's pubic bone at an awkward angle, injure your neck during a pile driver, or blowout your ass in number of ways. That's the other part of safe sex education I meant. If you pretty much have to learn how to perform your job safely in a class setting to be a stage actor, a clown, an acrobat, or a stuntman, why not sex worker?

Oliver North
I don't think there is mandatory licencing in any of those professions? maybe something union with stage actors, but I'm not aware of any specific classes they have to take

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by snowdragon
You need someone to tie your shoes also?

Oh, for the love of ****...

Darth Jello
Originally posted by Oliver North
I don't think there is mandatory licencing in any of those professions? maybe something union with stage actors, but I'm not aware of any specific classes they have to take

Well that's why my proposal functions within a union. Even without a union, lack of training could mean you lose work because no one wants to ensure someone more likely to get hurt than not.

teen escort
Porn is good fer us gals dude, take a chill pill.

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