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Yeah, it happened in Infinite Crisis. But did it happen right, going by feats?

Who wins?

I think Post Crisis Superman can compete, but he will lose every time.

Earth 2 superman is still the same guy from PC era. His feats and story are still intact. Just because superman stalemated him doesn't mean he was downgraded. He was still the guy who was throwing moons at Anti-Monitor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Earth 2 superman is still the same guy from PC era. His feats and story are still intact. Just because superman stalemated him doesn't mean he was downgraded. He was still the guy who was throwing moons at Anti-Monitor.
Seems logical.

http://www.treadstonemortgage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/approved.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Earth 2 superman is still the same guy from PC era. His feats and story are still intact. Just because superman stalemated him doesn't mean he was downgraded. He was still the guy who was throwing moons at Anti-Monitor.

Yeah, but that's contrasted by being hurt by a nuke (Even after Alan Scott and Wonder Woman contained it.)

I'm not nearly as versed on Earth 2 Superman as I am on Earth 1, but I don't remember too many feats that come close to the moon tossing one, making it a possible outlier..

Earth 2. Different level of power.

Nu superman wins.

Earth 2.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Earth 2. Different level of power. over 9000?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Earth 2. Why do you think so ?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Earth 2. Different level of power.

As another poster likes to say: Based on?

Besides COIE stuff.

Current Superman needs more time

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Current Superman needs more time Why ?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Current Superman needs more time

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by Golgo13
My thoughts exactly. What makes you think so ?

This is Pre-Flashpoint Superman. Not New 52.

facepalm

Originally posted by Zack Fair
This is Pre-Flashpoint Superman. Not New 52.

facepalm

He'd still lose.

Agreed.

He will lose but he will give Earth 2 a fight.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
This is Pre-Flashpoint Superman. Not New 52.

facepalm Either win.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He'd still lose. Based on ?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Agreed.

He will lose but he will give Earth 2 a fight.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
This is Pre-Flashpoint Superman. Not New 52.

facepalm ahah, forgot the Pre.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, but that's contrasted by being hurt by a nuke (Even after Alan Scott and Wonder Woman contained it.)

I'm not nearly as versed on Earth 2 Superman as I am on Earth 1, but I don't remember too many feats that come close to the moon tossing one, making it a possible outlier..
That was a young Kal-L. His best feat was fighting Earth-1 Superman to a double KO which is vastly superior to tossing moons.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/th_kal1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/th_kal2.jpg

Earth 2 Superman

Originally posted by iceman24567
Earth 2 Superman What makes you think so ?

We're talking galaxy-sneeze, lose to a chimp, power level all over the place Supes, right? Depends entirely on which feats you decide to choose. Pre-original-Crisis Supes still has the most logic-defying feats though, even by comic standards.

Originally posted by Digi
We're talking galaxy-sneeze, lose to a chimp, power level all over the place Supes, right? Depends entirely on which feats you decide to choose. Pre-original-Crisis Supes still has the most logic-defying feats though, even by comic standards. Do you happen to have scans of losing to a chimp ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you happen to have scans of losing to a chimp ?

Not personally. It was something I saw years ago on KMC in a thread about PC Supes. Even minus that, the fluctuations in power were pretty intense, even by overpowered comic character standards. He was the Superman from WAYYY back, when writers cared less for continuity and coherence and such. It's almost hard to compare him to anything more current because of that.

Originally posted by Digi
Not personally. It was something I saw years ago on KMC in a thread about PC Supes. Its a great weapon only someone as responsible as myself could wield when appropriate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its a great weapon only someone as responsible as myself could wield when appropriate.

Huh? If we're still talking about the same thing, I used it as a throwaway example, making a larger point. Current forum sensibilities don't apply easily to older characters.

Originally posted by Digi
Huh? If we're still talking about the same thing, I used it as a throwaway example, making a larger point. Current forum sensibilities don't apply easily to older characters. I got your point that these characters were all over the map but to make the galaxy sneezing feats level out a chimp counter would be quite effective.

I myself tend to not debate based off of feats as the bulk of my evidence anyways.

Some amusing examples of my point:
http://blog.paxholley.net/2011/07/04/1-of-supermans-most-absurd-pre-crisis-super-powers/

Do we count those in PC Supes threads? Or do we conveniently ignore them because they don't fit our model for the character, or hold up to the rigors of forum scrutiny?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I got your point that these characters were all over the map but to make the galaxy sneezing feats level out a chimp counter would be quite effective.

I myself tend to not debate based off of feats as the bulk of my evidence anyways.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Digi
We're talking galaxy-sneeze, lose to a chimp, power level all over the place Supes, right? Depends entirely on which feats you decide to choose. Pre-original-Crisis Supes still has the most logic-defying feats though, even by comic standards.
That chimp was Titano who radiated kryptonite. Superman wasn't that variable. Most of his low showings lack context.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That chimp was Titano who radiated kryptonite. Superman wasn't that variable. Most of his low showings lack context. Issue number ?

His strength was all over the place. At one point he can pull planets, then we have this...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/PreCrisisStrength_zps75cf56a6.png.html

Originally posted by carver9
His strength was all over the place. At one point he can pull planets, then we have this...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/PreCrisisStrength_zps75cf56a6.png.html yes, they were, then you have the average showing which is near sky father level

Originally posted by carver9
His strength was all over the place. At one point he can pull planets, then we have this...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/PreCrisisStrength_zps75cf56a6.png.html Still better than a getting strangled by a snake.




































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LOL...whateva Zack.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
yes, they were, then you have the average showing which is near sky father level

Whats his average showings?

Originally posted by Digi
We're talking galaxy-sneeze, lose to a chimp, power level all over the place Supes, right? Depends entirely on which feats you decide to choose. Pre-original-Crisis Supes still has the most logic-defying feats though, even by comic standards.

Depends on if you think Earth 2 Superman is Golden Age Superman or not.

There's some good arguments for why Earth 2 Supes and Golden Age/Original can't be the same character, due to history discrepancies and some other differences. (Earth 2 Supes never had Lex Luthor, for example,. but Alexi Luthor, while the Lex Luthor we know was born in the golden age era.).

Originally posted by carver9
His strength was all over the place. At one point he can pull planets, then we have this...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/PreCrisisStrength_zps75cf56a6.png.html
facepalm

I should report you now. For anybody interested here is the full scan. This rivals your hal/hulk fiasco.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Moves Earth across lightyears faster than teleportation

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15084182_movesearth.jpg

@ABHI...

You don't see the difference in easily pushing a planet and straining to do it. His strength was all over the place. At one point, they could carry numerous of planets with ease and at another point, they were struggling. You need to report yourself.

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

You don't see the difference in easily pushing a planet and straining to do it. His strength was all over the place. At one point, they could carry numerous of planets with ease and at another point, they were struggling. You need to report yourself.
He was depowered since those days. You cropped a scan indicating that superman was struggling while moving earth a few inches while he was moving it faster than light across lightyears. At least show some shame about caught red-handed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
At least show some shame about caught red-handed. Irony.

The point of my scan was to show STRAIN, nothing he showed before while moving planetary bodies. I don't care if he moved it or not, what I care about is him showing his struggle doing it. Where in my post did I say he didn't move it? It's freaking obvious he did, it was the purpose of the comic.

I think you should have posted a far lesser strength feat if you wanted to show his strength was all over the place.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I think you should have posted a far lesser strength feat if you wanted to show his strength was all over the place. Do you disagree with his message ?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I think you should have posted a far lesser strength feat if you wanted to show his strength was all over the place.


Why? You have one showing where they are carrying 100's of planets around the galaxy without strain, then you have another showing where Superman is having trouble moving Earth into a portals grab.

Because he was moving it at light speed? He was still moving a celestial body. Maybe if you had shown him struggling with a mountain or a building it would have driven the point home. To me him struggling moving the earth at light speed and towing 10 planets around are not that far apart.

When you said his strength was all over the place I didn't expect to see a scan of him still moving a planet. But that is just me I suppose.

Is this the same Supes that was getting rocked by Ali?

Originally posted by juggerman
Is this the same Supes that was getting rocked by Ali? Are you really going to cite that like it was a serious fight ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you really going to cite that like it was a serious fight ?

It was a boxing match and iirc Superman was getting hurt by Ali

No one wants to talk about Super Telepathy? My point, she is made.

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Originally posted by juggerman
It was a boxing match and iirc Superman was getting hurt by Ali Do you honestly think that represents Supermans entire history accurately ? You sicken me that I have to come to the aid of Superman while his fans just sit there.


Jake take control of this ship.

Originally posted by Digi
No one wants to talk about Super Telepathy? My point, she is made.

313 LoL. I am up to debate super weaving.

Originally posted by Digi
No one wants to talk about Super Telepathy? My point, she is made.

313

A shame I bungled the chimp thing. Had I known, I would've used a different example. Context is everything, of course. But anyway, I've said what I wanted to.

Originally posted by cdtm
Depends on if you think Earth 2 Superman is Golden Age Superman or not.

There's some good arguments for why Earth 2 Supes and Golden Age/Original can't be the same character, due to history discrepancies and some other differences. (Earth 2 Supes never had Lex Luthor, for example,. but Alexi Luthor, while the Lex Luthor we know was born in the golden age era.).

It's internally inconsistent, no doubt. I'm not sure I've ever heard this theory, though. If that's the case, things are even more convoluted, and either version of PC Supes would still have some wildly fluctuating showings.

Interesting theory, though, thanks for mentioning it.

Originally posted by carver9
The point of my scan was to show STRAIN, nothing he showed before while moving planetary bodies. I don't care if he moved it or not, what I care about is him showing his struggle doing it. Where in my post did I say he didn't move it? It's freaking obvious he did, it was the purpose of the comic.
He was depowered since those days. He was moving planets like ping pong balls in 60's, then he got depowered in 1971 and was reduced to moving a single planet with some strain.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was depowered since those days. He was moving planets like ping pong balls in 60's, then he got depowered in 1971 and was reduced to moving a single planet with some strain. If he was depowered then you can't pick and choose which feats to accept and which to ignore. Even by your on logic you can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was depowered since those days. He was moving planets like ping pong balls in 60's, then he got depowered in 1971 and was reduced to moving a single planet with some strain.

Didn't know that. I would ask you to post a scan proving it (since Rage has been ripping you apart) but I'm going to trust you on this one since I've heard this more than once.

Originally posted by Digi
No one wants to talk about Super Telepathy? My point, she is made.

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Shown across the whole pre-crisis comics. It was an official power of superman like T-vo.Originally posted by Zack Fair
LoL. I am up to debate super weaving.
Just an application of super-speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shown across the whole pre-crisis comics. It was an official power of superman like T-vo.
Just an application of super-speed.

Just like Super Shape Changing and Super Math. I agree.

Originally posted by Digi
Just like Super Shape Changing and Super Math. I agree.
Super shape changing was an application of muscle control which dates back to golden age superman. Super math was superman fooling some aliens.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jake take control of this ship.

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18100000/Angry-Superman-GIF-superman-the-movie-18139395-250-127.gif

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you honestly think that represents Supermans entire history accurately ? You sicken me that I have to come to the aid of Superman while his fans just sit there.


Jake take control of this ship.

Did i once say that? I just asked a question and look at you getting your panties in a twist

Originally posted by -Pr-
Earth 2. Different level of power.

gave PC Superman Earth 1 problems, and Earth 1 Superman was vastly stronger!!

Originally posted by juggerman
Did i once say that? I just asked a question and look at you getting your panties in a twist It is a silly question which has no bearing on this fight. I know you miss me but try not to make it so obvious in the future.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Because he was moving it at light speed? He was still moving a celestial body. Maybe if you had shown him struggling with a mountain or a building it would have driven the point home. To me him struggling moving the earth at light speed and towing 10 planets around are not that far apart.

When you said his strength was all over the place I didn't expect to see a scan of him still moving a planet. But that is just me I suppose.

It's not just you.

Contrasting an insane feat with another crazy high end feat isn't really the way to burst the PC hype bubble.

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