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Thor is in the Destroyer.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/SD_zpsb415633c.jpg

vs

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/DS_zpsbec9aa47.jpg

Destroyer wins.

Asgardian D

Originally posted by guy222
Asgardian D

Based on?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Based on? Comics.

S'ivaa wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
S'ivaa wins. How ?

So, any reasons on both sides?

Originally posted by Golgo13
So, any reasons on both sides? Destroyers more durable and more powerful.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Based on?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Comics.
Originally posted by Golgo13
So, any reasons on both sides?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Destroyers more durable and more powerful.

Quan--

If such non-answers are acceptable to your own question, you're going to find a lot of people responding to your own inquiries in kind.

As for this thread, I don't know. IIRC S'ivaa was loaded with hype. Honestly though, I can't really remember what happened in the end.

Originally posted by Cogito
Quan--

If such non-answers are acceptable to your own question, you're going to find a lot of people responding to your own inquiries in kind.

As for this thread, I don't know. IIRC S'ivaa was loaded with hype. Honestly though, I can't really remember what happened in the end. The Destroyer has greater power feats and durability feats. Nuff said.

Originally posted by Cogito
Quan--

If such non-answers are acceptable to your own question, you're going to find a lot of people responding to your own inquiries in kind.

As for this thread, I don't know. IIRC S'ivaa was loaded with hype. Honestly though, I can't really remember what happened in the end.

IIRC, they had to BFR him.

Originally posted by Golgo13
IIRC, they had to BFR him. What were his impressive feats according to you ?

S'ivaa was destroying planets with a touch of his fingers and was responsible for the destruction of the previous universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
S'ivaa was destroying planets with a touch of his fingers and was responsible for the destruction of the previous universe. Destroying planets doesn't mean much up against the Destroyer. Context.

Originally posted by abhilegend
S'ivaa was destroying planets with a touch of his fingers and was responsible for the destruction of the previous universe.

Didn't Siviaa treat Orion and Superman like annoyances? Can't remember.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Siviaa treat Orion and Superman like annoyances? Can't remember. What would that mean up against the Destroyer ?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Siviaa treat Orion and Superman like annoyances? Can't remember.

bump for Abih.

Originally posted by Golgo13
bump for Abih. ?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Siviaa treat Orion and Superman like annoyances? Can't remember.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Would that matter ?

BTW, does anyone have the scans of the Siviaa fight?

Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, does anyone have the scans of the Siviaa fight? New gods comic.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Siviaa treat Orion and Superman like annoyances? Can't remember.

I see Abhi is here.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I see Abhi is here. Just pm him.

Originally posted by Golgo13

Come on, Abhi.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Come on, Abhi. Just pm him.

Come out wherever you are.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Siviaa treat Orion and Superman like annoyances? Can't remember.
Yeah.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah. What does that prove here ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Do you feel it determines the victor here ?

I might have to say stalemate now.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I might have to say stalemate now. Based on what ?

Meh, I change my vote to Siviaa.

Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, does anyone have the scans of the Siviaa fight?

sivaa was a multiversal threat as far as im concerned, if not more.

follow me closely

first of all, shivaa is a threat to all existence:

http://i.imgur.com/10cEVsz.jpg

now the big question is what does 'all existence' mean according to context.

orion explains that all mortal universes (the multiverse) exists in bubbles in new genesis:

http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg

earlier in the issue, the new earth universe is referred to as a mortal universe

http://i.imgur.com/WvVIMzf.jpg

^which indeed indicates that the whole multiverse exists in bubbles in new genesis.

now shivaa attacks, and is beginning to destroy existence, and you will notice how insignificant entire planets are compared to even superman and orion, why is that? orion himself explains, as i said earlier that the whole multiverse exists in bubbles in new genesis, and since now that superman is in new genesis (and the motherbox altered his size as he traveled to new genesis) he himself can dwarf entire worlds

http://i.imgur.com/T2y3i6g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5JKVHyl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7vf6lqH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iWcIqs5.jpg


though he didn't treat orion and superman as merely annoyances, however he was defeated by his own power, when orion blasted him through the hole (which he created to destory all existence) sending him right to the source wall.

http://i.imgur.com/X8Od4mD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tRxFH7Y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KpWM44p.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wrVIhdn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5ij7YiB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JAuS9Ui.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O8ST6p6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TN5TEma.jpg

Thanks for the scans, been a while since I've read that story.

My conclusion? If the Destroyer faces S'ivaa in original size then it's a spite thread as any being from New Genesis simply operated on a higher level of existence in that story (This is not always the case).

If it's a neutral battle ground or the Destroyer enters through a Boomtube or teleports there etc. then the Destroyer would have the upper hand in combat. While we see S'ivaa hurt and affected or what have you, we're unclear as to what it would take to actually put him down. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but not to the point of no limit fallacy.

I wonder how well Asteroth would do against S'ivaa?

Originally posted by Stoic
I wonder how well Asteroth would do against S'ivaa? I for one think S'ivaa is being exaggerated.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks for the scans, been a while since I've read that story.

My conclusion? If the Destroyer faces S'ivaa in original size then it's a spite thread as any being from New Genesis simply operated on a higher level of existence in that story (This is not always the case).

If it's a neutral battle ground or the Destroyer enters through a Boomtube or teleports there etc. then the Destroyer would have the upper hand in combat. While we see S'ivaa hurt and affected or what have you, we're unclear as to what it would take to actually put him down. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but not to the point of no limit fallacy.
S'ivaa wasn't a new god and wasn't altered by boom tube. He was just that large. Superman and Orion had the benefit of being altered by boom tube, destroyer wouldn't have that luxury.

Originally posted by abhilegend
S'ivaa wasn't a new god and wasn't altered by boom tube. He was just that large. Superman and Orion had the benefit of being altered by boom tube, destroyer wouldn't have that luxury.

He wasn't altered by a boom tube because he was already in the 4th world. If he entered the 3rd world, he would indeed have been massive. If Superman or Orion had gone through the tear in space/time, they also would have been massive, so I'm not sure what your point is.

I think it should just be assumed that we're referring to a smaller S'ivaa in this thread as if he entered this battle through a boom tube, just as we'd assume Orion would be a smaller size entering a battle.

Originally posted by Cogito
He wasn't altered by a boom tube because he was already in the 4th world. If he entered the 3rd world, he would indeed have been massive. If Superman or Orion had gone through the tear in space/time, they also would have been massive, so I'm not sure what your point is.

I think it should just be assumed that we're referring to a smaller S'ivaa in this thread as if he entered this battle through a boom tube, just as we'd assume Orion would be a smaller size entering a battle.
He wasn't in 4th world IIRC. He was rising from beneath it where he was imprisoned.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't in 4th world IIRC. He was rising from beneath it where he was imprisoned.

You sure? I'm pretty sure that's where he awakened, but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Cogito
You sure? I'm pretty sure that's where he awakened, but I could be wrong.
I'm not sure either.

^sivaa was imprisoned beneath the eternal sea of new genesis :

http://i.imgur.com/lydtXnc.jpg

this is how how awakened:

http://i.imgur.com/wazALw9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pCh5yfy.jpg


though superman getting altered by a boom tube is contradictory to what appeared in a supergirl comic

supergirl goes through the boom tube:

http://i.imgur.com/KmpQkNw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WGmoio9.jpg

next issue we learn that she is dwarfed by the new gods:

http://i.imgur.com/zIOiRdr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TM0KUdF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kbH4R5a.jpg

granny goodness explains that only new gods automatically get altered when traveling through a boom tube:

http://i.imgur.com/usA1g3t.jpg

this concept however, was used on a smaller scale than in the new gods issues where sivaa appears.

Originally posted by abhilegend
S'ivaa wasn't a new god and wasn't altered by boom tube. He was just that large. Superman and Orion had the benefit of being altered by boom tube, destroyer wouldn't have that luxury. Why do you think size matters here with regards to the destroyer ?

Originally posted by operator616
sivaa was a multiversal threat as far as im concerned, if not more.

follow me closely

first of all, shivaa is a threat to all existence:

http://i.imgur.com/10cEVsz.jpg

now the big question is what does 'all existence' mean according to context.

orion explains that all mortal universes (the multiverse) exists in bubbles in new genesis:

http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg

earlier in the issue, the new earth universe is referred to as a mortal universe

http://i.imgur.com/WvVIMzf.jpg

^which indeed indicates that the whole multiverse exists in bubbles in new genesis.

now shivaa attacks, and is beginning to destroy existence, and you will notice how insignificant entire planets are compared to even superman and orion, why is that? orion himself explains, as i said earlier that the whole multiverse exists in bubbles in new genesis, and since now that superman is in new genesis (and the motherbox altered his size as he traveled to new genesis) he himself can dwarf entire worlds

http://i.imgur.com/T2y3i6g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5JKVHyl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7vf6lqH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iWcIqs5.jpg


though he didn't treat orion and superman as merely annoyances, however he was defeated by his own power, when orion blasted him through the hole (which he created to destory all existence) sending him right to the source wall.

http://i.imgur.com/X8Od4mD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tRxFH7Y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KpWM44p.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wrVIhdn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5ij7YiB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JAuS9Ui.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O8ST6p6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TN5TEma.jpg

Thanks for the scans. Who do you got in terms of the fight?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Thanks for the scans. Who do you got in terms of the fight? Who do you think wins ?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Thanks for the scans. Who do you got in terms of the fight?

no problem.

obviously, sivaa wins since he's operating on a much higher level than the destroyer, but if they are put on the same level (like rage said), it would be close but hard determine, the fact that orion and superman did give him a good fight definitely suggests that destroyer has a chance, still going with sivaa though, too much plot was involved in his demise.

Originally posted by operator616
no problem.

obviously, sivaa wins since he's operating on a much higher level than the destroyer, but if they are put on the same level (like rage said), it would be close but hard determine, the fact that orion and superman did give him a good fight definitely suggests that destroyer has a chance, still going with sivaa though, too much plot was involved in his demise. Based on what evidence does he operate on a higher level ?

^already explained it in my post which golgo quoted, and i provided evidence by posting scans.

Originally posted by operator616
^already explained it in my post which golgo quoted, and i provided evidence by posting scans. I didn't see any evidence which supported him operating on another level.

Originally posted by operator616
no problem.

obviously, sivaa wins since he's operating on a much higher level than the destroyer, but if they are put on the same level (like rage said), it would be close but hard determine, the fact that orion and superman did give him a good fight definitely suggests that destroyer has a chance, still going with sivaa though, too much plot was involved in his demise.

Thanks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't see any evidence which supported him operating on another level.

the evidence is right in front of you.

all universes (multiverse) exist inside bubbles in the fourth world:

http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg

and when superman arrives there, he can dwarf entire worlds/planets:

http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpg

sivaa is already in the fourth world thus he operates on a higher level of existence. Simple.

Originally posted by operator616
the evidence is right in front of you.

all universes (multiverse) exist inside bubbles in the fourth world:

http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg

and when superman arrives there, he can dwarf entire worlds/planets:

http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpg

sivaa is already in the fourth world thus he operates on a higher level of existence. Simple. No, since whoever goes to see him this then changes. It's also just size. Destroyer operates on a much higher level.

^i already commented on this, make sure you read the whole thread.

Originally posted by operator616

supergirl goes through the boom tube:

http://i.imgur.com/KmpQkNw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WGmoio9.jpg

next issue we learn that she is dwarfed by the new gods:

http://i.imgur.com/zIOiRdr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TM0KUdF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kbH4R5a.jpg

granny goodness explains that only new gods automatically get altered when traveling through a boom tube:

http://i.imgur.com/usA1g3t.jpg

this concept however, was used on a smaller scale than in the new gods issues where sivaa appears.

Originally posted by operator616
^i already commented on this, make sure you read the whole thread. Doomsday did not fight giants. Size won't deter the Destroyer here anyways.

Originally posted by operator616
the evidence is right in front of you.

all universes (multiverse) exist inside bubbles in the fourth world:

http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg

and when superman arrives there, he can dwarf entire worlds/planets:

http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpg

sivaa is already in the fourth world thus he operates on a higher level of existence. Simple.

Does being in that higher dimension makes you stronger/More powerful?

Originally posted by abhilegend
S'ivaa wasn't a new god and wasn't altered by boom tube. He was just that large. Superman and Orion had the benefit of being altered by boom tube, destroyer wouldn't have that luxury.

Is he not a creature from New God space? Then why would he need one?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Does being in that higher dimension makes you stronger/More powerful? I don't think so.

Originally posted by operator616
^i already commented on this, make sure you read the whole thread.

So, if Superman/Orion were to use the BT, they would be on equal footing with S'ivaa?

to answer your first question: no, when superman traveled to the fourth world, the only thing that changed was the scale, he had the same abilities but on a much bigger scale.

2nd question: orion already explained that superman was already altered by a boom tube, that's why he can dwarf planets in the first place.

http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg

take a careful look at this scan:

http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg

see those little balls engulfed in flames? as superman himself said, they are entire planets, so if boom tube hadn't altered superman's size, well, you get the idea how small he would be.

BUT this is contradicted in the supergirl comic:

when supergirl traveled through a boom tube into the fourth world, she didn't get altered, apparently, only new gods get altered:

http://i.imgur.com/usA1g3t.jpg

in short, it's a DC screw up.

I also believe characters have gotten to the New God worlds without Boom Tubes and have been the same stature. In short, like everything else, it's highly depended on the writer.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In short, like everything else, it's highly depended on the writer. Yep.

Originally posted by operator616
to answer your first question: no, when superman traveled to the fourth world, the only thing that changed was the scale, he had the same abilities but on a much bigger scale.

2nd question: orion already explained that superman was already altered by a boom tube, that's why he can dwarf planets in the first place.

http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg

take a careful look at this scan:

http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg

see those little balls engulfed in flames? as superman himself said, they are entire planets, so if boom tube hadn't altered superman's size, well, you get the idea how small he would be.

BUT this is contradicted in the supergirl comic:

when supergirl traveled through a boom tube into the fourth world, she didn't get altered, apparently, only new gods get altered:

http://i.imgur.com/usA1g3t.jpg

in short, it's a DC screw up.

Thanks.