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The original Earth-238 Fury
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Lindamcquillen_.jpg/250px-Lindamcquillen_.jpg

vs

The Exterminators(whole race)
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q487/TheGodKiller666/Exterminators_Multiverse_Consumers_zpscdd7ce98.jpg

Bfr is off. Battle to death. Who wins?

the exterminators were quite powerful, after all, their sole purpose is to destroy the whole multiverse, and even the celestials (who are their creators) couldn't kill them, only imprison them.

we should also take into consideration that the celestials were portrayed as shaping creation itself in that arc. We also know that bobby's ice-powers and the death seed are the only things shown to be effective against the exterminators, both of which the fury doesn't have access to. There's also the fact that imprisoning them in a universe won't solve the problem, you'll have to cut the universe from the entire multiverse to imprison them, not to mention that their numbers are in billions, so i think it would be a very tough fight.

On the other hand i don't see how the exterminators can put down fury either.

Neither Bobby's powers nor the Apocalypse power were actually capable of killing the Exterminators. Sage explicitly noted in X-Termination #2, that if these creatures could be destroyed, then the Celestials would have done it.

Also, bfr is off in the OP. Fury must kill them in order to win.

^i know that, and i said it in my post that the celestials couldn't kill them only imprison them, which was mentioned, as you said, in x termination issue 2 (and that's not the only issue in which it was mentioned)

http://i.imgur.com/jVrHGBK.jpg

2 pages after that ^ it's mentioned that bobby's powers were effective:

http://i.imgur.com/IzXxOrq.jpg

that's why i said 'effective' i never mentioned anything about killing them.

didn't pay attention that bfr is off, my apologies, im leaning toward a stalemate in this case.

Originally posted by operator616

didn't pay attention that bfr is off,
im leaning toward a stalemate in this case.
Hey there opr616, hope yur weekend's been good friend.

I just wanted to point out that 'bfr' is not Fury's primary means of attack,
it's actually its blaster canon, (which has killed the seemingly 'un-killable')
and then the plot friendly "supreme adaptation" ability.
Another asset is Fury's incredible durability which affords it time
to figure out a way to win. (if there is one of course)
Fury used bfr vs MJJ because it had no other alternative.
MJJ was basically "God" withIN his warp, so Fury would've never
been able to damage him effectively. So, the Fury, being immune to
MJJ's warp, was able to force bfr MJJ into the nullified 238 reality
while physically holding on to him, and the rest is history.

That said, this new saga isn't finished yet, so we don't know the
extent of the Exterminators powers/durability/etc or if they'll be stomped or killed later on.
But I find it interesting that Ice-Man can affect them, or hold them back.

^The X-Termination crossover ended with the Exterminators getting trapped in the AoA universe, which at that moment was quarantined off from the rest of the multiverse.

Plus, the Age of Apocalypse Books got cancelled recently(what with Pak going off to write Superman in DC and all that sh1t), so nobody's gonna bother with this event in the foreseeable future.

Edit: If you want, I can refer the books that spanned this event. It didn't have a single on-going, but was written across tie-ins.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Edit: If you want, I can refer the books that spanned this event. It didn't have a single on-going, but was written across tie-ins. Please do. I'm interested to read about them.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

^The X-Termination crossover ended with the Exterminators
getting trapped in the AoA universe, which at that moment was
quarantined off from the rest of the multiverse.
nobody's
gonna bother with this event in the foreseeable future.

Edit: If you want, I can refer the books that spanned this event. It
didn't have a single on-going, but was written across tie-ins.
I'd appreciate that.
I'm out the loop regarding all of this and have had to rely on indirect info
and scans here and there. I've noticed several changes seemingly
have been introduced into Marvel's cosmology concerning its origins
but the info I've seen is open to interpretation imo.

One quick ie. is according to that Pak story those Celestials surely
forced the Multiverse into creation by splitting the original lone Universe,
but he doesn't tells us they created the Universe they were looking at,
but rather creation within it if I'm not mistaken.
Which actually relates to original Celestial history,
cause they were the ones Eternity used to seed/create life across
the universe in several stories pre-Pak ideas.

But anyway,
I want to read every single issue that has anything to do with this,
Celestials, Exterminators, all of it.
So yea, let me get that list my friend.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey there opr616, hope yur weekend's been good friend.

I just wanted to point out that 'bfr' is not Fury's primary means of attack,
it's actually its blaster canon, (which has killed the seemingly 'un-killable')
and then the plot friendly "supreme adaptation" ability.
Another asset is Fury's incredible durability which affords it time
to figure out a way to win. (if there is one of course)
Fury used bfr vs MJJ because it had no other alternative.
MJJ was basically "God" withIN his warp, so Fury would've never
been able to damage him effectively. So, the Fury, being immune to
MJJ's warp, was able to force bfr MJJ into the nullified 238 reality
while physically holding on to him, and the rest is history.

That said, this new saga isn't finished yet, so we don't know the
extent of the Exterminators powers/durability/etc or if they'll be stomped or killed later on.
But I find it interesting that Ice-Man can affect them, or hold them back.

it was fine, thank you for asking.

im aware of fury's abilities, though its canon won't work, the exterminators would just absorb it and become stronger:

http://i.imgur.com/b0btatk.jpg?1

one of them drained the dreaming celestial:

http://i.imgur.com/oSoPWRF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KgLQShy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sy8o4ZF.jpg

they were unkillable, that much was clear, the celestials shaped creation itself, and then split it in to the multiverse with nothing but their will. And yet, the best they could do to the exterminators, is imprison them (which was the reason they split the universe into the multiverse in the first place)

http://i.imgur.com/FVMmNQP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HGr1gQd.jpg

you must understand, bobby's powers proved effective to a very limited degree:

http://i.imgur.com/dZbFVDY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PMumqXj.jpg

and again, the exterminators were imprisoned by disengaging the universe from the multiverse entirely:

http://i.imgur.com/u3mVXfr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1LhVKqx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H1VSfG0.jpg

hence why i resorted to bfr, nothing in fury's powerset will prove fatal to the exterminators.

also, we know for a fact that the fury can be destroyed which happened in the might world of marvel issue 12:

http://i.imgur.com/YJ1c75e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OBJ4RQ4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SvwZsuq.jpg

linda ripped it into pieces, it was weakened though, but still, it can be destroyed, the exterminators can't.

Not saying that the exterminators win this, because i don't believe that they could weaken it to a point like MJJ did.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'd appreciate that.
I'm out the loop regarding all of this and have had to rely on indirect info
and scans here and there. I've noticed several changes seemingly
have been introduced into Marvel's cosmology concerning its origins
but the info I've seen is open to interpretation imo.

One quick ie. is according to that Pak story those Celestials surely
forced the Multiverse into creation by splitting the original lone Universe,
but he doesn't tells us they created the Universe they were looking at,
but rather creation within it if I'm not mistaken.
Which actually relates to original Celestial history,
cause they were the ones Eternity used to seed/create life across
the universe in several stories pre-Pak ideas.

But anyway,
I want to read every single issue that has anything to do with this,
Celestials, Exterminators, all of it.
So yea, let me get that list my friend.
How do you know that Pak wasn't referring to the original universe itself when he wrote that the Celestials shaped "Creation"? How many times has the word "creation", in a cosmic context, not meant the universe in fiction in general and comics in specific? If you're still upset with this particular showing, then just look at it this way: apparently it took a whole race of universal-level reality shapers to design the multiverse, which should be logically consistent with the Celestials' theoretical power output. On-panel only a handful of Celestials were shown, but based on narrative it was implied that ALL of them were involved.

Anyways, as far as the books go, I have pmed them to you.

Given that the Celestials appeared to break/shatter the universe into a multiverse via physically striking some sort of tangible 'wall'(not unlike Superboy Prime):
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16134275_HGr1gQd.jpg

I'd use the word "design", lightly.

^The "walls" are actually the barriers that separate parallel universes from each other. Barriers between which the Exterminators were originally trapped:
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q487/TheGodKiller666/X-Termination%2001/th_Celestialsduplicatereality_zps1d264800.jpg

The premise of this event is that continued time-travel weakened these walls, and the jump that AoA Kurt and Dark Beast made using Tiamut as a teleporting stand was the final blow which shattered the barrier, thereby releasing the monsters.

On a sidenote, the inside of a Celestial is composed of reality warping energies that respond to thought/sentient will much the same way as the Miracle Machine or a cosmic cube would do, it seems:
http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q487/TheGodKiller666/X-Termination%2001/th_Inside_of_a_Celestial_01_zpsb1daceae.jpghttp://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q487/TheGodKiller666/X-Termination%2001/th_Inside_of_a_Celestial_02_zpsf3df8059.jpghttp://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q487/TheGodKiller666/X-Termination%2001/th_Inside_of_a_Celestial_03_zps3a0f0d3c.jpghttp://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q487/TheGodKiller666/X-Termination%2001/th_Inside_of_a_Celestial_04_zpsa3e74b3a.jpg

Lol, I was just commenting on the Celestial's physically pummeling the walls until they shattered into the multiverse.

Just didn't seem like they had any kind of formal design in mind.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, I was just commenting on the Celestial's physically pummeling the walls until they shattered into the multiverse.

Just didn't seem like they had any kind of formal design in mind.
They created(or at the very least, shaped) the original universe. The rest of the multiverse merely consists of an infinite cascade of duplicated realities.

Design was involved in the original project, the rest of the multiverse was merely a product of instantaneous "mass-manufacture".

Anyways, I am using the term "design" loosely here, as in the pseudoscientific idea of Intelligent Design. Familiar with it?

Edit: Also, for the last time, the Celestials didn't pummel any walls. They split the original universe into a multiverse. The walls were destabilized(and ultimately broken) 12 billion years later as a result of repeated time-travel across alternate realities.

Dude, I'm not trying to have a serious discussion. I posted that panel, because in that panel the Celestials are pummeling said walls, and it's funny to think of them "designing" the multiverse, by beating the shit out of the universe.

I'm not saying that's what they did, however. Humor is your friend.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dude, I'm not trying to have a serious discussion. I posted that panel, because in that panel the Celestials are pummeling said walls, and it's funny to think of them "designing" the multiverse, by beating the shit out of the universe.

I'm not saying that's what they did, however. Humor is your friend.
The Celestials aren't pummeling any walls though, because those walls were erected after the universe was redesigned as a multiverse. That's the universe itself that they are using as a punching bag in that scan of yours.

Your transparent attempt to insult my grasp of sarcastic comedy notwithstanding, you're still wrong in your interpretation of that scan.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying that's what they did, however. Humor is your friend.

Again: in lieu of context, that panel just strikes me as funny. I'm not trying to 'prove' anything. Your unwarranted anger toward me is amusing, though.

^Yeah, your "joke" interpretation(which I have clearly recognized for what it is) of that panel is still incorrect.

Your pretended humor at the imaginary fact that you've somehow managed to ruffle my feathers is pretty cute though.

Yeah, I know it's incorrect-- I've said as much several times now. I merely found humor in a panel's depiction of the event. Nothing more.

Hating just to hate seems to be your prerogative, though... So have fun with that.

imo, the celestials, did create the original universe.

it's stated that they were lonely, and that's why they brought creation into existence (imo), and it's shown on panel:

http://i.imgur.com/o7iq1RA.jpg?1

another important detail is that they simply willed the universe to split into the multiverse (that's an insane level of power)

http://i.imgur.com/6p8mYFX.jpg?1

(this is pretty much the same thing DC's krona did)

also ^^ interesting that you compare the celestials to the cosmic cubes, because there have been theories that the celestials come from the universe of the beyonders (fantastic four annual #26)

http://i.imgur.com/IVQHSeN.jpg

which is the same place from where cosmic cubes come from.

Originally posted by operator616
also ^^ interesting that you compare the celestials to the cosmic cubes,
I also compared them to the Miracle Machine. The reference to cosmic cubes and the MM is based on the fact that the interior of a Celestial is composed of reality warping energy which is susceptible to the thoughts/desires of sentient beings. Somewhat similar to how pure reality-altering artifacts like CCUs operate.