Curry's tourney Match 2; Digi vs Abhi

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curryman

curryman

Digi
Digi Post #1

It seems I get to offer the first rebuttal. Abhi, cheers, it's been a while since we've had a tourney. Let's enjoy it.

Wings of an Angel

Let's first nip this Dark Angel nonsense in the bud. Curry reviewed everything and explicitly allowed the Fabric of the Universe as gear. Twice. I can post them if needed, or probably bring him in here to make a ruling (again). It won't go well for you, and it will appear as though I've gained some momentum. Let me know if you want to continue to pursue it, and I'll respond accordingly.

But suffice it to say, I wouldn't have drafted her if I didn't have access to her powers, and if I hadn't confirmed that beforehand. Judges, I have access to the Fabric of the Universe and the armor that channels it. It was discussed, reviewed, and approved. End of story.

Here's a scan of refutation, if needed:
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5069/gymn.jpg
Wherein we learn that the Fabric has the "Power of Angels." DA has no inherent powers herself. After that whole debacle in the main discussion thread, where we specifically talked about gear and the Fabric as part of it, here's curry:
Originally posted by curryman
Aquaman and Dark Angel are a-ok.

...that was in direct reference to her full powers as gear. And again, I have another quote more explicitly referencing gear if needed. Abhi, just drop this. It's not debate, it's tedium that's already been decided.

Bringing a Bazooka to a Nerf Fight

Let's talk about Abhi's strategy here for a second.

He amalgamated Abom and Britain. I was expecting some sort of complimentary powers, a mesh or amp, anything, something. What we got is nothing. We have two base level bricks stacked on one another. Woo?

The other disappointment was Prometheus. His writeup contained exactly one scan of Prometheus, and it was...hypnotism? Against a phased, teleporting, telepathic character, who is also an alien robot that is hundreds of feet tall. Here's what Dark Angel thinks of this nonsense:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3743/kbub.jpg

As such, we have a flying brick, and some useless trickery from Prometheus. Ultimo might be able to take them on his own. And that's before amping his strength via Havok's power:
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5149/zsxy.jpg
or more specifically, this:
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1416/5ejq.jpg
And that's also before the incomprehensible upgrade I've given Havok via Angel's suit.

Seriously, I can behead his guy with a wave of my plasma-amped metallic pimp hand. I dominate his team in every phase of the game. Try harder.

Meet Armory...??

Hi Armory. You're not in the tournament. What the **** does that scan have to do with our match?

I can absorb energy, phase through it, teleport around it, overpower it, or straight-up tank anything you can dish out. Btw, here's an absorption feat that's going to silence any doubt:
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/644/20hv.jpg

But that whole Armory scan left a bad taste in my mouth. Here's some more feats of Ultimo tanking attacks that are > anything Abhi is bringing to bear in this fight:
http://imageshack.us/a/img28/622/6sxb.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/2844/mtce.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/9561/h9uf.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img834/9452/6ll5.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/7186/eo71.jpg

Compare & Contrast

Mach 10 is the speed cap for the tourney, and it's a bit of a joke. I don't have an exact flight speed for DA, but here's her flying from the X-Mansion to England in minutes:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5141/0rjg.jpg
So there's no edge there. I'm at or near the speed cap. Britain can eat it.

And here's Britain struggling vs. some Mystically enhanced demons:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7943/3hxf.jpg
And DA obliterating the same baddies:
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2087/l18e.jpg
And DA isn't even my main energy output, or greatest strength.

Go To Sleep

Just look at this feat:
http://imageshack.us/a/img594/112/opim.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img850/3650/v25b.jpg
...I doubt I need to explain the relevance. I don't even need to liquify him (though I could). Just target the brain and send him to oblivion. Enjoy your naptime.

happy

abhilegend

abhilegend

Digi

abhilegend
Abhilegend Post #2

Originally posted by Digi
Digi Post #2

There we go, Abhi!! I was worried after your lackluster writeup. Thought I wouldn't even be challenged. Nice bounce-back. Now, let's get to it. I am just getting warmed up.

Your strategy? Haha.

He said it would be used under the assumption that the suit would give her powers. That's not the case here

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304276/DarkAngel_006_MarvelUK_p18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16304277/DarkAngel_006_MarvelUK_p19.jpg.html

Where did he say that "her physical implants" are a part of the suit


Its not. You are ignoring straight on panel evidence that the suit doesn't amp or channel Dark Angel's powers. It inhibits her powers and it would inhibit Havok's powers too. Judges would see to it though.



WTF? He was saying that in response of cap touching him. He said outright that he was immaterial. Seriously?

You might not know this but Cap's magical nature gives him to perceive that can't be seen. Like a magical spell which he sees when others can't and then destroy it by grabbing it.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/post%20secret%20invasion/mi13_10a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/post%20secret%20invasion/mi13_11a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/post%20secret%20invasion/mi13_11b.jpg


Tell me, is your invisibility and intangibility more than a magical spell?


Not going to happen. Prometheus' suit is fast enough to inform about Starman firing his energy blast and then side-step it from behind.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16351884_Cry_for_Justice_06005-006.jpg

You are not fast enough.

Sorry bro, cap's force-field stops any such attack.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/king%20of%20otherworld%20onwards/durability/newexc06a.jpg

Nocturne turns intangible when she possesses somebody FYI.

You are talking like Prometheus' suit wouldn't be protected from Cap's force-field which has taken an attack as hot as sun from Pete Wisdom right in the eyes without any problem

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/king%20of%20otherworld%20onwards/durability/newexc08b.jpg

Or here

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/king%20of%20otherworld%20onwards/durability/newexc08b.jpg



First thing first, that wasn't 616 adamantium or even adamantium. It was an alternate reality alloy with no durability feat to speak of which Havok mistook as adamntium. If you're trying that as a proof that Havok can melt adamantium, a huge lulz @ that. Havok has unloaded everything he could at a weaker cap and cap no sold it completely to the point havok drained himself.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/original/battles/weirdwarIIIa.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/original/battles/weirdwarIIIb.jpg

I like how you conveniently forgot that. Also what is so impressive about an energy blast that creates a crater? Punches that create shockwaves able to destroy planets don't impress you?

You are in illusion if you think this fight is being fought at your term. This is my fight from start to finish. I've counters for everything you can bring.



Obviously he is beneath Armory then. Of course it does. Armory oneshotted Ultimo. Its the only time he was beaten by force. Nothing that refutes Armory oneshotting him. Havok's shields are a joke. Energy absorption has nothing to do with punches.

None of that would work as I explained already. Your phasing is useless, your teleportation is useless and your energy blasts are useless.

Slightly amped? He had the power of every Havok in multiverse at that point and defeated Goblyn Queen outright. When Johnny storm was amped in such manner he defeated MoD. Nothing at that level. Speculation at best, wishing at worst. Bring a proof of havok amping strength at normal level.

Continued..............

abhilegend
Continued................

You mean you posted scans of a weaker Ultimo shrugging off attacks from some featless Iron man armors to refute a stronger Ultimo getting oneshotted by a character who has no showings in relation with Iron man on the basis that Iron man is somehow automatically superior to her despite being shown as inferior by direct showings? How convenient?


I asked about Havok shielding from punches and you show me a nameless character carrying him? That's Mutant X havok again BTW who is more amped than you can amp him. Hahaha. Cap at a weaker level shattered Crimson bands of cyttorak.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/original/strength/quasar11b.jpg

Havok's shields would get shattered by a single punch. Don't get ridiculous.


Plasma attack which wouldn't even cross cap's force field then as shown here against Havok and then Pete wisdom and Dazzler.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/original/battles/weirdwarIIIa.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/original/battles/weirdwarIIIb.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/king%20of%20otherworld%20onwards/durability/newexc08b.jpg

Good luck.

Abom is stronger than a tired hulk and Cap is too.


Beating on vulcan doesn't impress me. Look what Gladiator did to him and my combo is VASTLY stronger than Gladiator.




Not true at all. He was improvising on the spot to deal with every kind of threat as shown in the dialogues. He had the files and protocols to beat every superhero on earth from his very first appearance.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16351966_Cry_for_Justice_06018.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16351967_JLA_017-02.jpg

Its not a specific prep and why would something which downed someone like Red Tornado wouldn't work on a far less sophisticated android such as ultimo?



No. Its his standard equipment. You are claiming that physical implants are standard equipment and now you're doubting Prometheus' suit being a standard equipment?

None of that would work bro. Try even harder.

I'm just going to destroy your every post like this. Again your combo is going to be destroyed by this maneuver.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16338442_Cry_for_Justice_06005-006.jpg

You have no counter to any of my attacks. I'm going to rip apart your suit after destroying Havok's puny shields, rip Ultimo apart limb by limb and then disable your android mind and then hypnotize your human mind into submission in less than a millisecond. Try to stop me.

Digi
Abhi, I don't want to be that guy, but I'm facing you so I kinda have to. One match post is exactly that, one post. You labeled your 3rd post at #2. I think that you're thinking you've only posted twice. But you're at 4 posts right now.

I'm pointing it out here so that it's seen and not buried in other discussion, but if you'd like to contend it, we might be able to segue to the main thread.

abhilegend
Unofficial post.

That's because my post was so big that I'd have to split it into two parts otherwise I couldn't even post it. That's why I wrote continued....... at the end of both posts. I posted only twice so I wrote it as post #2.

Digi
...continued in main discussion thread.

Digi
Digi Post #3

First of all, really?! REALLY?! No one's going to say anything about my music video at the beginning? Not here, and not in the main thread. Fine, I'll take my ball and go home. See if I release another video next match.

First Blood

Abhi tried to call me out on my invisibility. Ok, kudos on making me use this scan:
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7003/5bnl.jpg
That's Dark Angel invisible to friggin' Mephisto in his own realm. Good luck claiming I'm not invisible at this point.

It's also not magic-based. So you can stuff that argument about Britain seeing it.

So I initiate the fight, as it has always been. I teleport behind him, phase into him, and destroy him from the inside. Hell, I'm big enough to just merge his entire body (including brain) with metal. If he survives, he sure as hell won't be in fighting shape.

Even if one aspect of it doesn't go as planned, I get the first attack, can teleport away on a whim, and probably still have an insta-kill with amped Havok at point blank range.

He has no escape from this. No answer to it. The interpretation of this match doesn't need to go any further. And if I don't have the advantage I want, I teleport away and begin anew (see writeup for basic scans of all these abilities).

Venn Diagrams

There's a few common ways to approach tourney drafts. One is to be the best at something. Speed, telepathy, whatever, just overwhelm your opponent with one major advantage.

Another is amping via mesh, as evidenced in my amalgam, or Id's for another obvious example.

A third is prep mastery. Just go nuts with something using a brainiac or tech pimp.

Another is to cover a ton of bases and hope your opponent can't account for all of them. To a certain extent, I did this. Telepathy, phasing, teleporting, energy absorption and massive energy attacks, solid physical stats, etc. The Havok amp means I went for broke in one particular category, but I also tried to cover many different bases.

And then there's Abhi. Abom + Britain. Two powerful characters in their own right. But almost entirely overlapping. Do you think their strength stacks? How so? You can't have two bodies. I thought something else was going to come of this, but no. You have them at their base levels.

You've got some good scans, and they're solid players. But you're fighting uphill because you're one-dimensional. Or, rather, one-dimensional compared to most teams. Much like your idol, you just want to punch your way to victory. That doesn't cut it in tournaments.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not going to happen. Prometheus' suit is fast enough to inform about Starman firing his energy blast and then side-step it from behind.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16351884_Cry_for_Justice_06005-006.jpg

You are not fast enough.

Kinda inconclusive, yeah? He detected the blast before it came and just sidestepped. I will give no such warning, and my blast will be thousands of times more powerful and larger in radius. You're not dodging anything.

If you're basing your speed on your least superpowered pick, you're in trouble.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are talking like Prometheus' suit wouldn't be protected from Cap's force-field which has taken an attack as hot as sun from Pete Wisdom right in the eyes without any problem

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/king%20of%20otherworld%20onwards/durability/newexc08b.jpg

Or here

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/king%20of%20otherworld%20onwards/durability/newexc08b.jpg

Same scan both times. Also seems wildly inconclusive. I'm not even sure what I'm looking at or how it turned out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
First thing first, that wasn't 616 adamantium or even adamantium. It was an alternate reality alloy with no durability feat to speak of which Havok mistook as adamntium. If you're trying that as a proof that Havok can melt adamantium, a huge lulz @ that. Havok has unloaded everything he could at a weaker cap and cap no sold it completely to the point havok drained himself.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/original/battles/weirdwarIIIa.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Captain%20Britain%20respect/original/battles/weirdwarIIIb.jpg

I like how you conveniently forgot that. Also what is so impressive about an energy blast that creates a crater? Punches that create shockwaves able to destroy planets don't impress you?

http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7255/j8gl.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/8418/9qk4.jpg

As ever, that's pre-amp. I can do this all day.

And in my case, my Havok could perform that feat easily and continuously, since he has an endless power source to draw from.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Obviously he is beneath Armory then.

Ok, maybe? If he is, then it's meaningless. And if not, you found an outlier thread that I've been refuting (and will continue to do so).

Iron Man not enough for you? He's no-sold IM and War Machine at the same time. Multiple IM suits remotely controlled. Ms. Marvel. I don't want to pull the Thor feat. I have a gentleman's agreement that I won't use that in this tourney, because it's an outlier in the other direction. But it exists, and you're obviously not one-shotting anything, or even hurting me seriously. Overstatement isn't going to get you anywhere.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Havok's shields are a joke. Energy absorption has nothing to do with punches.

Where to begin? Energy shields can help against punches. So there's the first completely obvious point. The scan I posted was a shield, not absorption.

I could say more, but that's enough, I'll let it sink in.

Dark Angel (again)

And now, our field reporter, Steve. Steve, what's the word out there?

Steve: Well Jim, we have yet another confirmation from curry that Dark Angel is entirely legal, and that the Fabric of the Universe is included in that, and that Dark Angel gets access to all of her powers. Let's take a look at the tape...




And Jim, this is in addition to the earlier statement from curry, saying essentially the same thing:



I'll drop the act and be serious now. Abhi, the Fabric is a tricky thing, because it could be seen as either gear (mind pick) or body (body pick). It has been approved as gear several times now. I actually understand where you're coming from, because it's a bit ambiguous and required a ruling. But that ruling has come in. I know you know this by now.

You're not going to get her invalidated. If you want, I can annoy curry again and have another quote ready for my next post. But let's just move on. You think you win anyway, yeah? Beat me straight-up; don't try to get an already-approved pick invalidated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Beating on vulcan doesn't impress me. Look what Gladiator did to him and my combo is VASTLY stronger than Gladiator.

laughing out loud

Un-amped high meta picks are "VASTLY" stronger than Gladiator?

Keyboard cat, play him off:

J---aiyznGQ

abhilegend

Digi

Digi
CONTINUED...

So here's the ruling about post counts. Abhi isn't allowed to do what he did anymore, but his earlier posts where he counts 2 as 1 are being counted as 1.

In compensation, I'm allowed to make one "Continued..." post where we count 2 as 1, so that Abhi hasn't been granted more debate time than me. It's a decent compromise.

For judging purposes, it changes nothing, but this is just an FYI.

...

I'm using this as a summary of my take so far. Most of the scans needed are dotted throughout my earlier posts.

- His reliance on secondhand feats is staggering. Skrull = Hyperion. Ambiguously powerful PIS gun = Britain. Ruin = Prometheus. I actually have two feats of one of my picks (Havok) destroying a mid herald energy manipulator when amped. Hell, even Black Blot arguably fared worse against Vulcan. And it's all directly on panel. If he thinks he can come within a quarter mile of me without having to deal with herald-busting energies, he's deluding himself.

- I managed to amp Havok continuously with DA's Fabric-armor (all scans in my writeup). The Fabric of the Universe is made of the stuff that amps him, and it is an endless energy supply. This will amp Havok beyond anything we've ever seen. Abhi has stopped his crusade against DA's legality, so this is on in force.

- On the flip side, Abhi did nothing to amp anyone. So there's one of two ways to see this: Either A. Abhi drafted a Gladiator-busting character in a high meta tourney. Or B. he has unamped high metas. I think the answer is obvious.

- As outlined in my most recent post above, my invisibility remains in full force, and I will initiate conflict. This negates many of his potential advantages, and allows me to dictate the entire encounter.

- That Abhi refuses to understand how Havok can block punches astounds me. He can hold back a black hole, but a punch against a hundreds-foot tall robot is indefensible. Child, please. Same logic with strength-amping. Havok has done it before, and he'll be as amped as he's ever been in a comic. To pretend that it's impossible is to deny on-panel evidence. So I have amped my near-the-caps pick in durability, strength, energy, everything. He has not.

- Can't stress this enough, DA is legal and Abhi accepts this. Everything he's said about her legality can be safely discarded.

- Lastly, don't make the mistake of confusing tenacity for validity. Abhi and I have had probably the most intense back and forth debate of the tourney so far. I've seen a lot of "great match" notes from people. And that's great! But the potential trap is thinking this match is close simply on the merits of that intensity. I don't think it is, at all. I think Abhi came out flat with his writeup, failed spectacularly in getting my DA pick disqualified, didn't mesh his draft picks advantageously, is relying on suspect appearances by characters he didn't draft to make his point, and is severely behind in several key areas of power or versatility in this thread. Make the right call, vote for Digi!

fdog

abhilegend

leonidas
Originally posted by abhilegend
Abhilegend Post #4
Present the feats grandpa.


.....LMFAO......but seriously, i smell a ban coming for that crack. no expression

(pardon the interruption, carry on....)

abhilegend

Digi

curryman
That concludes the second match of the tournament.

Good job to both of you gentlemen, you can now enjoy a well earned rest.

The judges for this match are PR, Omega Vision and Galan.

leonidas
well done gents. made for some fun reading. thumb up

curryman

curryman

curryman

curryman
Digi wins with 3 to 0, great match gentlemen

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Digi
I look nothing like Jason Alexander.

Thanks judges, curry, and to Abhi for a good match.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Digi
I look nothing like Jason Alexander.

Thanks judges, curry, and to Abhi for a good match.
You're right, I'm sure he's much more handsome than you are. fdog

abhilegend
Well, it was fun.

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