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Technically speaking, Kal-L should win.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Technically speaking, Kal-L should win. Wrong. Kal-El wins.

Kal-L stomps.

But KC Supes is far more awesome.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Technically speaking, Kal-L should win.

This.

Originally posted by ares834
Kal-L stomps.

But KC Supes is far more awesome. How does he win let alone stomp ?

Originally posted by Digi
This.

I guess it's a wrap, huh?

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does he win let alone stomp ?

He doesn't stomp. That's dumb. But Kal-L had decades more chances to amass feats, many of those in the PC era. That's why he should likely win.

I don't think anyone would be surprised if it went another way in a comic. But based on what we have, I don't see another answer.

Originally posted by Digi
He doesn't stomp. That's dumb. But Kal-L had decades more chances to amass feats, many of those in the PC era. That's why he should likely win.

I don't think anyone would be surprised if it went another way in a comic. But based on what we have, I don't see another answer. We see him matched up against NE Superman and an equal. We see KC matched up and blows him out of the water. To me that sums it up nicely.

Kal L all things considered

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does he win let alone stomp ?

Let me amend my statement, he should stomp.

Basically, his feats specifically those from the PC era, are well beyond anything KC Superman has done.

Kal-L wins. He was matched by an all out superman who would beat KC superman too. Just look what he did to Gog once he went all out.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_ac825_js_25_zps4aa05131.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_ac825_js_26_zps2b2fa6c1.jpg

This is the same Gog who pushed KC superman's shit in BTW.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/0800.jpg

Based off their appearances in earth 1 not counting crisis on infinite worlds KC superman looks superior. Given how Kal-L fought with superman in infinite crisis and even as a black lantern which would of been the time to cut loose much like some other black lanterns eemed to be doing. he didn't seem to reach that level of superiority as KC supemran showed over superman in his JSA cross over.
Once you bring in Kal-L's anti monitor feat then it gets iffy. Outside of that I see nothing that says he is better than KC. The beating the anti monitor feat looks like recent hyprion surviving two universes collide. A feat not lived upto.

Superman (Kal-L)

Originally posted by Emi~Kiro
Based off their appearances in earth 1 not counting crisis on infinite worlds KC superman looks superior. Given how Kal-L fought with superman in infinite crisis and even as a black lantern which would of been the time to cut loose much like some other black lanterns eemed to be doing. he didn't seem to reach that level of superiority as KC supemran showed over superman in his JSA cross over.
Once you bring in Kal-L's anti monitor feat then it gets iffy. Outside of that I see nothing that says he is better than KC. The beating the anti monitor feat looks like recent hyprion surviving two universes collide. A feat not lived upto.
He also fough Earth-one superman (pre-crisis) to a double KO.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/th_kal1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/th_kal2.jpg

Also Kal-L showed superiority to Superman against Doomsday when he outright palmed doomsday's punch while superman was knocked away like a fly.

KC Superman wins.

Kal-L and mainstream Supes were depicted as rough equals during IC. KC Supes, on the other hand, was depicted as a notch-or-two above mainstream Supes.

Originally posted by Galan007
KC Superman wins.

Kal-L and mainstream Supes were depicted as rough equals during IC. KC Supes, on the other hand, was depicted as a notch-or-two above mainstream Supes.
That's what I'm thinking! The guy who posted above you made a point about Kal-L taking doomsday a bit better than mainstream superman but if Kal-L is a notch above mainstream superman then KC is two notches. KC was that more impressive overall while Kal-L was hanging more or less in supermans league.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He also fough Earth-one superman (pre-crisis) to a double KO.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/th_kal1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/th_kal2.jpg

Also Kal-L showed superiority to Superman against Doomsday when he outright palmed doomsday's punch while superman was knocked away like a fly.

Exactly. And before anyone says it, Kal-L was supposedly not affected by the crisis.

And PC Supes is several notches above pre-52 Supes.

Originally posted by Galan007
KC Superman wins.

Kal-L and mainstream Supes were depicted as rough equals during IC. KC Supes, on the other hand, was depicted as a notch-or-two above mainstream Supes.
Then explain this

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/?action=view&current=jsagog_jsa4.jpg
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/?action=view&current=jsagog_jsa5.jpg
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/?action=view&current=jsagog_jsa8.jpg
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Kal-L wins. He was matched by an all out superman who would beat KC superman too. Just look what he did to Gog once he went all out.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_ac825_js_25_zps4aa05131.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_ac825_js_26_zps2b2fa6c1.jpg

This is the same Gog who pushed KC superman's shit in BTW.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/0800.jpg

KC superman has one showing where he look superior to superman and one where he looks vastly inferior to Superman. Kal-L has a showing where he looked equal to superman and then he looked superior to superman too. Add his other showings like against PC superman, breaking the same barrier which SBP broke while weakened, oneshotting the whole injustice gang troubling PG and he looks comfortably above KC superman. Hell he ripped the whole JSA apart and treated Citizen Steel who is without any doubt stronger than KC Superman like a child.

Here is Kal-L ripping the whole JSA apart

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3004005.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3006.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3010011.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3012013.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3014015.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3016017.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3018019.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/th_BlackestNightJSA3020021.jpg

I don't see KC superman capable of doing so.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then explain this Different origins.

Yes, I know JSA Gog was supposedly retconned into the same Gog Superman had encountered before(William Matthews), but that doesn't change the fact that their origins are still MUCH different.

Gog's origin in AC #825:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360828/ac825_js_02.jpg.html

Gog's origin in JSA:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360826/16-17.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360827/18.jpg.html

Tack on the fact that Superman alone was able to one-shot the former, while the latter tooled the entire JSA, and the difference between their depicted powers becomes clear.

...Unless you believe Supes can one-shot a guy who was owning a JSA roster that included: KC Supes+Alan Scott+Obsidian+Power Girl+Amazing Man+Citizen Steel+Starman+Lightning+Jessi Quick. etc. etc..? Point: DC may have intended for them to be the same character, but they did a piss-poor job depicting them the same... Shit, they didn't even give them the same origin. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
Different origins.

Yes, I know JSA Gog was supposedly retconned into the same Gog Superman had encountered before(William Matthews), but that doesn't change the fact that their origins are still MUCH different.

Gog's origin in AC #825:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360828/ac825_js_02.jpg.html

Gog's origin in JSA:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360826/16-17.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360827/18.jpg.html

Tack on the fact that Superman alone was able to one-shot the former, while the latter tooled the entire JSA, and the difference between their depicted powers becomes clear.

...Unless you believe Supes can one-shot a guy who was owning a JSA roster that included: KC Supes+Alan Scott+Obsidian+Power Girl+Amazing Man+Citizen Steel+Starman+Lightning+Jessi Quick. etc. etc..? Point: DC may have intended for them to be the same character, but they did a piss-poor job depicting them the same... Shit, they didn't even give them the same origin. srsly
That was explained as Gog hallucinating that origin of AC 825 as told in your own scans.

Well Kal-L did solo that whole team minus Amazing man plus Dr. Fate. Also Citizen steel owned Gog.

Superman oneshotted Earth-man with the power of whole Legion. He has done some ridiculous shit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was explained as Gog hallucinating that origin of AC 825 as told in your own scans. Where is this stated?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360827/18.jpg.html

Second last panel is what I think he's referring to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman oneshotted Earth-man with the power of whole Legion.

Are you allergic to context or does it just offend you?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360827/18.jpg.html

Second last panel is what I think he's referring to.
http://www.coffee-monster.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/inconceivable.jpg

ie. That scan/panel does not translate into Gog "hallucinating" his previously-established origin.

^Yeah. That appears to feel more flashbacky than hallucinatory.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus



Are you allergic to context or does it just offend you?

I'll just post the scans so everyone can see the fight for themselves:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16361011_action_862-25.jpghttp://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16360997_action_862-27.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16360998_action_862-29.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16360999_action_862-31.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361000_action_863-01.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361002_action_863-02.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361003_action_863-04.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361004_action_863-11.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361005_action_863-13.jpg

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For the first half, Superman was powerless except for a Legion flight ring and regained his abilities when the Sun turned yellow. I have no idea how a simple flight ring allowed him to tussle with Earth Man like that but whatever.

Anyways, saying Superman just one shot Earth Man is very deceiving. Not that his durability was exactly spectacular without relying on Ultra Boys invulnerability.

Wwwwwoooowwwwww....ABHI lied about that all this time.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Technically speaking, Kal-L should win.

Bang on.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16360827/18.jpg.html

Second last panel is what I think he's referring to.



Are you allergic to context or does it just offend you?
Yeah, you are the one to talk about it.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361006_action_863-15.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361010_action_863-1617.jpghttp://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361007_action_863-18.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361008_action_863-19.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16361009_action_863-21.jpg

For the first half, Superman was powerless except for a Legion flight ring and regained his abilities when the Sun turned yellow. I have no idea how a simple flight ring allowed him to tussle with Earth Man like that but whatever.

Anyways, saying Superman just one shot Earth Man is very deceiving. Not that his durability was exactly spectacular without relying on Ultra Boys invulnerability.
Earth-Man had a very potent healing factor thanks to Chameleon girl. That coupled with durability from Ultra Boy and Blok (surprise, you forgot about him again) was the reason he was shrugging off everything. Superman did oneshot him or do you see only what you want to see.Originally posted by carver9
Wwwwwoooowwwwww....ABHI lied about that all this time.
Lulz.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, you are the one to talk about it.
Earth-Man had a very potent healing factor thanks to Chameleon girl. That coupled with durability from Ultra Boy and Blok (surprise, you forgot about him again) was the reason he was shrugging off everything. Superman did oneshot him or do you see only what you want to see.
Lulz.

Shrugging off everything? He was getting beat up and the only time he shrugged off anything was with intangibility. Even powerless Superman was able to tussle with him. I'm not sure how Earth Man's powers stack but the only time he referenced invulnerability was when he used Ultra Boy's one power at a time only ability.

This is why I posted the scans. I'm not going to argue Superman one shotting Earth Man because anyone who knows what that term means already disagrees with you.

Originally posted by ares834
Kal-L stomps.
I don't know about stomps but yeah he should win.

Hell no! Kal-L all the way!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Shrugging off everything? He was getting beat up and the only time he shrugged off anything was with intangibility. Even powerless Superman was able to tussle with him. I'm not sure how Earth Man's powers stack but the only time he referenced invulnerability was when he used Ultra Boy's one power at a time only ability.

This is why I posted the scans. I'm not going to argue Superman one shotting Earth Man because anyone who knows what that term means already disagrees with you.
Yes, shrugging off and knocking everybody out with one blast. That's the definition of team-buster. You mean when Superman had the legion ring and broke his hand punching Earth-man while Earth-man was manhandling him like a baby? Lulz.

Posting scans isn't everything.

Geez supes wins