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The battle will have two rounds.

1st round:

- Cyborg Superman can use his yellow power rings fully charged

2nd round:

- Cyborg Superman can not use his yellow power rings

- The battle will take place in a galaxy empty


Who win both rounds?

Cyborg, both times.

Surfer, both times.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Surfer, both times.
Nah.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Surfer, both times. They also both solo Superman 10/10.

1. Cyborg
2. Surfer

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Surfer, both times. Originally posted by Mindset
They also both solo Superman 10/10. /thread

Originally posted by ares834
1. Cyborg
2. Surfer

This.

Surfer stomps.

smh...

Originally posted by -Pr-
smh...
Superman! Heeeeeeelp!?

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer stomps.

By no means. Cyborg Superman is more stronger, more durable and more resistant than Silver Surfer. For its part, the herald of Galactus is more faster and has better power handling capabilities.

Also, you should know that Silver Surfer can and has been damaged by physical force before and has even been murdered in the past by such. If Silver Surfer does not fight intelligently, could be overwhelmed and massacred by Cyborg Superman.

From my point of view, is an excellent versus it could go either way. For me, Cyborg Superman would most victories

^ You referring to Thanos?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
^ You referring to Thanos?
I think he's referring to Iron man.

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vin

Cyborg is completely capable of draining Surfer which has been done like a bajillion times now via tech.

Surfer.

It can be a tough fight for Surfer, really though...but I just can't get over the fact Sperman has owned him quite a few times. Granter Surfer doesn't have Kal's knowledge, but still...

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Surfer.

It can be a tough fight for Surfer, really though...but I just can't get over the fact Sperman has owned him quite a few times. Granter Surfer doesn't have Kal's knowledge, but still...
Two times actually. Just after that one time Cyborg oneshotted him. I can use direct fight between surfer and cyborg too which is canon for cyborg.

Originally posted by Mindset
They also both solo Superman 10/10.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Two times actually. Just after that one time Cyborg oneshotted him. I can use direct fight between surfer and cyborg too which is canon for cyborg.

And what would you say about that fight other than that Surfer toying with him? Henshaw couldn't even touch him.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
And what would you say about that fight other than that Surfer toying with him? Henshaw couldn't even touch him.
You mean when surfer was dancing like a ballerina because henshaw was staggering him while hank laughed off surfer's attacks?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean when surfer was dancing like a ballerina because henshaw was staggering him while hank laughed off surfer's attacks?

Surfer hit him with energy only once. Henshaw asked if this was the extent of his power. Answer: No.


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The entire time Surfer was in philosopher mode while Henshaw was in a rage. Surfer wasn't close to opening a can and you know it.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet

Surfer hit him with energy only once. Henshaw asked if this was the extent of his power. Answer: No.


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The entire time Surfer was in philosopher mode while Henshaw was in a rage. Surfer wasn't close to opening a can and you know it.

Oh, and when a guy with super speed can't manage to tag someone else with their own EP, that's called a nice showing of super speed by the other guy. Super speed, you know, the thing that D.C. characters live off of on vs. boards.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Surfer hit him with energy only once. Henshaw asked if this was the extent of his power. Answer: No.


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The entire time Surfer was in philosopher mode while Henshaw was in a rage. Surfer wasn't close to opening a can and you know it.
That's what laughing off an attack means. Surfer wasn't in philosopher mode, he was enraged at Cyborg at destroying a planet.

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By that showing we know that surfer can dance like a ballerina pretty well and avoid attacks from a superior being when he isn't known for super-speed much (even mullet superman blitzed him pretty easily). That doesn't mean he was using super-speed, its called agility.

Guys, not canon, not usable.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, not canon, not usable.
Parallax says otherwise.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16351454_2464360-6.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
I think he's referring to Iron man.

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vin

Cyborg is completely capable of draining Surfer which has been done like a bajillion times now via tech.

Well you may as well dig up the scan with the Mexicans if were just starting the lowballing already.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't mean he was using super-speed, its called agility.



Is that a fact? Do you have a concious that tells you not to say some of the things you say before you say them? So let me get this straight:

Cyborg Superman who has Superman attributes is capable of repeatedly missing with his EP blasts due to Silver Surfers...agility? That agility much be at least light speed!

Did you even realize the irony in your statement? You said he isn't known for super speed, so it must be super agility, which he is known for, not.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Well you may as well dig up the scan with the Mexicans if were just starting the lowballing already.

Abi is a lowball specialist. Seriously, he is talented in that area, like he has a nose for the stuff.

Surfer both times

Only reason people say Henshaw wins is because he has super in his name

How much damage does henshaw have to suffer for it to count as a forum win?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Abi is a lowball specialist. Seriously, he is talented in that area, like he has a nose for the stuff.

How would you know, you've been here a week.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Well you may as well dig up the scan with the Mexicans if were just starting the lowballing already.
That scene with mexicans is non-canon. I didn't know every time surfer gets knocked out is lowballing.Originally posted by Blue Area Vet


Is that a fact? Do you have a concious that tells you not to say some of the things you say before you say them? So let me get this straight:

Cyborg Superman who has Superman attributes is capable of repeatedly missing with his EP blasts due to Silver Surfers...agility? That agility much be at least light speed!

Did you even realize the irony in your statement? You said he isn't known for super speed, so it must be super agility, which he is known for, not.
Henshaw isn't as adept in speed as superman and he has attributes of a far weaker superman as in Byrne superman. But if you think dancing on his board means surfer has super-speed, go ahead. I would just laugh at you.Originally posted by curryman
How much damage does henshaw have to suffer for it to count as a forum win?



How would you know, you've been here a week.
Knocked out as in the case of all characters.

He's strangely familiar.

the surfer wank is ridiculous, with rings hank stomps, without its a close fight with surfer barely winning

and unholy alliance is canon

Every time Surfer fails to defeat/instantly own someone gets a free pass because of him being a pacifist.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Every time Surfer fails to defeat/instantly own someone gets a free pass because of him being a pacifist.
Or its lowbaling.

lol surfer blood lusted got pwned by drax

Out of curiosity, what "feats" did Henshaw have with the rings that makes ppl think he'd stomp the Surfer?

Implied power I guess. He didn't really do shit iirc.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Implied power I guess. He didn't really do shit iirc.

Not really the best argumentation.

Kinda like the argument:

Hulk would give Thor hell.

Hulk plus Agardian hammer stomps Thor.

Not really the best line of logic.

Originally posted by zenzazer
lol surfer blood lusted got pwned by drax

When did this happen? Scans pls.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Out of curiosity, what "feats" did Henshaw have with the rings that makes ppl think he'd stomp the Surfer?
He threeshotted Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend

He's strangely familiar.

LOL!!! Do you really want to go down that road again after being embarassed with your first round of baseless accusations? Put up or shut up this time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He threeshotted Superman.

Scans?

Plus 3 shotting Superman doesn't make one trans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He threeshotted Superman.

Really? Even though he doesn't have speed near the level of Superman according to some people? I wonder how he did that!! Maybe Superman's super agility wasn't turned on.

All that, and Superman also beat Yellow ring Henshaw. Surfer >> Superman; Surfer >>>>>Henshaw.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Really? Even though he doesn't have speed near the level of Superman according to some people? I wonder how he did that!! Maybe Superman's super agility wasn't turned on.

All that, and Superman also beat Yellow ring Henshaw. Surfer >> Superman; Surfer >>>>>Henshaw. Surfer could probably give Henshaw what Superman and no one else can, and that's a permanent death. They should do a crossover.

Originally posted by curryman
How much damage does henshaw have to suffer for it to count as a forum win?



How would you know, you've been here a week.

I know he lowballs characters because he did all week just like I know you attacked me out of the blue twice this week and suggested I be banned, because you did.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Not really the best argumentation.

Kinda like the argument:

Hulk would give Thor hell.

Hulk plus Agardian hammer stomps Thor.

Not really the best line of logic.



When did this happen? Scans pls.
The closest to that was when Drax nearly choked Surfer out.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
The closest to that was when Drax nearly choked Surfer out.

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Edit. Ah, you're posting with regards to my request for proof of his Drax twoshot bloodlusted Surfer allegation.

That isn't bloodlusted Surfer and that isn't a twoshot, tho,

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Scans?

Plus 3 shotting Superman doesn't make one trans.
http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2467052-1.png
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Please list all the characters who've threeshotted superman.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Drax isn't trans either, so that really doen't help your argument at all unless you're suggesting Drax = trans = Henshaw with rings?
That isn't even PG drax. Also who said someone has to be trans to beat surfer?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Really? Even though he doesn't have speed near the level of Superman according to some people? I wonder how he did that!! Maybe Superman's super agility wasn't turned on.

All that, and Superman also beat Yellow ring Henshaw. Surfer >> Superman; Surfer >>>>>Henshaw.
What are you babbling about now? Superman wasn't using super-speed there.

That was an all out superman. He would do the same to surfer. Who said surfer>superman or henshaw? Surfer fought henshaw directly and henshaw laughed at his puny attacks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That isn't even PG drax. Also who said someone has to be trans to beat surfer?

Edited my post. Was thinking you were replying to my post to you and not the post targetted at zenzAzer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Please list all the characters who've threeshotted superman.

From the scans, that's actually a FIVE shot.

So is your argument: anyone who can beat Superman in five or less shots can stomp the Surfer?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Edited my post. Was thinking you were replying to my post to you and not the post targetted at zenzAzer.



From the scans, that's actually a FIVE shot.

So is your argument: anyone who can beat Superman in five or less shots can stomp the Surfer?
Ok.

Superman pretty much shrugged off the first two shots. It was the last three shots that knocked him out.

I never said hank would stomp surfer with rings, I said he would beat him with or without rings as he can drain surfer pretty easily of his PC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok.

Superman pretty much shrugged off the first two shots. It was the last three shots that knocked him out.

I never said hank would stomp surfer with rings, I said he would beat him with or without rings as he can drain surfer pretty easily of his PC.

You can't exclude the first few hits just cuz a character looked ok at first. If I'm not mistaken with your comment, the first 2 hits that were "shrugged off" (cuz I really didn't know what the big yellow pillar of energy was) happened in the first scan? Then the FOUR shots that KO'd Superman happened in the second scan, am I right?

You replied to my question about: "What does Hank with rings' Have in terms of "feats" that would suggest him stomping the Surfer?" with the "Superman threeshot" comment, one would assume you meant that this "feat" was proof of him stomping the Surfer. If not, then I hope you can forgive ppl misconstruing your reply as such. So you're saying Henshaw's (edit. Forgot to put "with rings" sole "feat" of "threeshotting Superman (actually a 5-6 shot)" does, in no way, prove anything?

So are you saying that Hank would be able to easily drain the Surfer? Does he have "feats" that prove that his energy manipulation > Surfer?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You can't exclude the first few hits just cuz a character looked ok at first. If I'm not mistaken with your comment, the first 2 hits that were "shrugged off" (cuz I really didn't know what the big yellow pillar of energy was) happened in the first scan? Then the FOUR shots that KO'd Superman happened in the second scan, am I right?

You replied to my question about: "What does Hank with rings' Have in terms of "feats" that would suggest him stomping the Surfer?" with the "Superman threeshot" comment, one would assume you meant that this "feat" was proof of him stomping the Surfer. If not, then I hope you can forgive ppl misconstruing your reply as such. So you're saying Henshaw's (edit. Forgot to put "with rings" sole "feat" of "threeshotting Superman (actually a 5-6 shot)" does, in no way, prove anything?

So are you saying that Hank would be able to easily drain the Surfer? Does he have "feats" that prove that his energy manipulation > Surfer?
Of course I can. Who said otherwise?

I said hank would beat surfer, not that he would stomp surfer. I don't care if somebody mistakes me saying that means "hank stomps surfer". That's their problem, not mine. It proves that Henshaw would beat surfer's ass.

You don't have to be above surfer in energy manipulation to drain his energies. Random characters with no energy manipulation have drained him with tech. If you're aiming for feats, he drained Ganthet's ring. Not that punching surfer wouldn't work for henshaw.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I can. Who said otherwise?

I said hank would beat surfer, not that he would stomp surfer. I don't care if somebody mistakes me saying that means "hank stomps surfer". That's their problem, not mine. It proves that Henshaw would beat surfer's ass.

You don't have to be above surfer in energy manipulation to drain his energies. Random characters with no energy manipulation have drained him with tech. If you're aiming for feats, he drained Ganthet's ring. Not that punching surfer wouldn't work for henshaw.

You can't excuide the first few hits of a battle just because you think a character didn't get so hurt by them and then only count the hits where you think the character got hurt in. That is blatantly exaggerating the relevance of the "feat". Damage is cumulative in combat. Just because a character looks ok within the first few hits, doesn't mean it didn't do any damage.

You replied to my post requesting such. So you're saying anyone who can 6-shot (or below) Superman would beat the Surfer's ass? Also, didn't Superman beat Henshaw after?

So you're saying that anyone with tech that can drain a target of energy would be able to drain the Surfer? Just need clarification of your position.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You can't excuide the first few hits of a battle just because you think a character didn't get so hurt by them and then only count the hits where you think the character got hurt in. That is blatantly exaggerating the relevance of the "feat". Damage is cumulative in combat. Just because a character looks ok within the first few hits, doesn't mean it didn't do any damage.

You replied to my post requesting such. So you're saying anyone who can 6-shot (or below) Superman would beat the Surfer's ass? Also, didn't Superman beat Henshaw after?

So you're saying that anyone with tech that can drain a target of energy would be able to drain the Surfer? Just need clarification of your position.
If a character shrugs off an attack which didn't hurt him, it can be excluded from the hits which KOED him. Cyborg at his normal power level couldn't hurt superman but then he had amp his strikes by yellow rings and knocked superman out in four punches. Pretty straight-forward I would say. BTW that yellow pillar was Henshaw tackling superman out of watchtower which superman pretty much shrugged off.

It was not the matter of 6 shots, Cyborg completely outclassed superman there and I don't think surfer can contend with that level of power. Yes, an all out superman nearly killed henshaw off-panel but that's nothing surprising. Superman going all out does shit like that on regular. Probe busting anyone?

That's what surfer's showings tell us against tech draining. Its pretty pathetic actually to the point that some random pirates have drained him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If a character shrugs off an attack which didn't hurt him, it can be excluded from the hits which KOED him. Cyborg at his normal power level couldn't hurt superman but then he had amp his strikes by yellow rings and knocked superman out in four punches. Pretty straight-forward I would say. BTW that yellow pillar was Henshaw tackling superman out of watchtower which superman pretty much shrugged off.

It is your opinion that Superman "shrugged off" the attack. To me, it looked like Superman got rocked by the hits but then managed to counterattack like any character in a comic book would. Admittedly, the amped yellow ring punches were much more effective.

Regardless of the "damage" suffered or not by a character, you can't go around claiming "three shot" when the actual required hits prior to KO was 6. A lot of people define a "three shot" as "requiring 3 shots to achieve a win" which didn't happen here as it took 6 shots and apparently, this wasn't really the end of the fight (if the off panel loss of Henshaw happened right after).

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was not the matter of 6 shots, Cyborg completely outclassed superman there and I don't think surfer can contend with that level of power. Yes, an all out superman nearly killed henshaw off-panel but that's nothing surprising. Superman going all out does shit like that on regular. Probe busting anyone?

It was 6 shots.

All it looks to me is that Henshaw hit Superman multiple times before Superman could recover. You don't need to "completely outclass" someone to temporarily KO someone with several hits.

And the fact that Superman managed to recover from this KO/stun and then own Henshaw off panel kinda makes Henshaw even less impressive.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what surfer's showings tell us against tech draining. Its pretty pathetic actually to the point that some random pirates have drained him.

Scans of "random pirate" draining the Surfer?

So you're saying that anyone with tech that can drain energy would be easily be able to drain the Surfer and that Henshaw would somehow know of this tactic and be able to implement this while being in a battle situation (and somehow not be resisted by the Surfer)?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It is your opinion that Superman "shrugged off" the attack. To me, it looked like Superman got rocked by the hits but then managed to counterattack like any character in a comic book would. And that's your opinion. Good.

Superman was knocked out. That was the end of that fight.


In which he only landed 4 amped strikes on superman and that KTFO superman. I don't think surfer can take those 4 shots and remain conscious.

It wasn't a temporary KO. Superman was KTFO. You haven't even read the story. Go read the story before you start spewing random nonsense like "temporary KO".

That was an admittedly all out superman. All out superman nearly killing Cyborg isn't a bad showing when he had some help from Supergirl and Powergirl.





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Some examples of him getting drained by random tech. There are a lot more showings like that. I'm afraid that I would be labelled as a lowballer if I posted all those showings though.

Essentially yes. Why would this be random anyway? Cyborg can create weapons to counter energy beings. Iron man has drained Surfer by just an EMP device.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
And that's your opinion. Good.

And your opinion, too. Let's just let other people decide based on the evidence provided.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was knocked out. That was the end of that fight.

Please point me out to the issue that continued thus fight. I read GL#24 and the fight wasn't really continued there.


Originally posted by abhilegend
In which he only landed 4 amped strikes on superman and that KTFO superman. I don't think surfer can take those 4 shots and remain conscious.

Post Annihilation upgrade (regardless of whether or not you think it was simply "mindset" or actual "power", Surfer has been able to tank some pretty impressive hits without getting KO'd so I'll go ahead and disagree with that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It wasn't a temporary KO. Superman was KTFO. You haven't even read the story. Go read the story before you start spewing random nonsense like "temporary KO".

I actually read the stories after that, they didn't show Superman KO'd. Didn't really show Superman at all. If you'd be so kond as to point me to the issue which shows Superman KO'd for an extended period of time after this fight, I'll go ahead and read it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was an admittedly all out superman. All out superman nearly killing Cyborg isn't a bad showing when he had some help from Supergirl and Powergirl.

See above. I'll judge for myself how "all out" Superman was.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Some examples of him getting drained by random tech. There are a lot more showings like that. I'm afraid that I would be labelled as a lowballer if I posted all those showings though.

Essentially yes. Why would this be random anyway? Cyborg can create weapons to counter energy beings. Iron man has drained Surfer by just an EMP device.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_norad35bd.jpg

So you've got one scan with a captured (and obviously weakened) Surfer being continuously drained by a ship's engine. One where someone used the same exact tech that blocked him in the past gained by his opponents via prep which failed and which he resisted then overloaded, one scan that shows an energy drain hurting him (also gained via prep) but failing to drain him completely and one where Iron man siphoned some of his energies where he was up just one panel after.

And then somehow extrapolate that Henshaw can duplicate the specifics of these attacks without prep, to a prepared and healthy Surfer (who has, via your scans, been able to adapt from past experiences and resist draining, even those that have been able to work on him in the past) in a battle scenario wherein he knows little of the opponent he's facing other than public knowledge? And you're saying he'll do this while fighting in character?

Also, Surfer isn't an energy being.

Surfer should pray he doesn't get the Lunatik-treatment again.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And your opinion, too. Let's just let other people decide based on the evidence provided. So its now decided by who votes who? I'll pass.


It was a totally off panel fight after which Superman, Power Girl and Supergirl threw Henshaw at SBP while Cyborg said that superman nearly killed him. Its in Tales of sinestro corps: Superman prime.


There was no upgrade in annihilation and that doesn't mean his previous showings don't count. They absolutely do. Caiera oneshotted him on Sakaar IIRC.



Because he was actually KTFO in that story as seen when Cyborg had him hang limply in his construct. You don't have to read any other story. Superman was KTFO and it was explicitly shown here.

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Enough all out to nearly kill a guy who previously curbstomped him? How about that?



Surfer was captured because he was drained. Not because he was weakened before that. WTF are you talking about? If you are talking about his experience with Dynamo city, that was a different tech and surfer was completely drained there.


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Drax who is powered by cosmic energies, completely no sold this draining. Make sure you've actually read the comic before start spewing nonsense.

That was the first time that alien tech was used on surfer and it wasn't with prep. Not to mention he didn't resist shit there, he was completely drained there. He just used a diversion to fire all his energy in the weapon which caused a feedback. It was also some random alien tech, nothing to brag about. Have you even read the story or just making shit up like usual? Because he tore them from his skin and Iron man let go of him because he had enough energy.

Your excuses for surfer are really laughable. Where did he resist or adapt at anything?

He's an energy being in a shell.

Originally posted by curryman
Surfer should pray he doesn't get the Lunatik-treatment again.
That's just classic.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15978270_MCP173-09.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15978271_MCP174-02.jpg

Of course this is all lowballing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you babbling about now? Superman wasn't using super-speed there.

That was an all out superman. He would do the same to surfer. Who said surfer>superman or henshaw? Surfer fought henshaw directly and henshaw laughed at his puny attacks.

ONCE AGAIN, it was one blast of an unknown magnitude. Henshaw wanted to know if that was the extent of his power and obviously Surfer was not hitting him with an all out blast. There was no laughing anything off, for the second time. There are rules that prohibit what you are doing with respect to misrepresenting showings. Stop spinning, you are making yourself dizzy.

Oh, and how is it that you know he wasn't using super speed being that it would be patently stupid for him not to? I love how you and fans like you translate showings completely to your favor. Logically, it would make all kinds of sense for him to be using super speed against this formidible opponent as it would give him and advantage; however, if he didn't, then it's simply evidence that he doesn't use super speed in situations where he should. Thanks.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
ONCE AGAIN, it was one blast of an unknown magnitude. Henshaw wanted to know if that was the extent of his power and obviously Surfer was not hitting him with an all out blast. There was no laughing anything off. Stop spinning, you are making yourself dizzy.

Oh, and how is it that you know he wasn't using super speed being that it would be patently stupid for him not to? I love how you and fans like you translate showings completely to your favor. Logically, it would make all kinds of sense for him to be using super speed against this formidible opponent as it would give him and advantage; however, if he didn't, then it's simply evidence that he doesn't use super speed in situations where he should. Thanks.
It was surfer's standard "mine is power cosmic" all out blast which he did several times under Marz. Go home kid.

Because he never used super-speed in that fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The closest to that was when Drax nearly choked Surfer out.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16374729_SS_v3_044_12a.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16374734_SS_v3_044_13a.jpg

May I ask you why you think this is impressive? An artificially blood lusted super powerful Dumb Drax goes after and unsuspecting ally in Surfer as if he were Thanos, the person he was created to kill? This means what exactly?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was surfer's standard "mine is power cosmic" all out blast which he did several times under Marz. Go home kid.

Because he never used super-speed in that fight.

You don't believe that is an all out blast because it obviously isn't and you need to stop being dishonest during debates. There is no more evidence that is an all out blast than Henshaw's blast was all out. Shameful.

You say he didn't use super speed, but it's baseless. If he was trying to win the fight and the other guy has super speed, why the hell would he not use super speed? Do you have an explanation or not this time around or do I have to ask a third time?

Finally, l'll tell you this once: I'm not a kid so stop referring to me as such.

Flight's boarding before I cud post my reply. BRB in 12 hrs :-/

Abhi's downplaying is disgusting

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
May I ask you why you think this is impressive? An artificially blood lusted super powerful Dumb Drax goes after and unsuspecting ally in Surfer as if he were Thanos, the person he was created to kill? This means what exactly?
Nothing actually. I was merely answering a question.Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You don't believe that is an all out blast because it obviously isn't and you need to stop being dishonest during debates. There is no more evidence that is an all out blast than Henshaw's blast was all out. Shameful.

You say he didn't use super speed, but it's baseless. If he was trying to win the fight and the other guy has super speed, why the hell would he not use super speed? Do you have an explanation or not this time around or do I have to ask a third time?

Finally, l'll tell you this once: I'm not a kid so stop referring to me as such.
Do I have to post scans of surfer going all out after saying those same words?

I said he didn't use super-speed because he never did. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.

You are acting like a child for sure.Originally posted by Endless Mike
Abhi's downplaying is disgusting
Forgive me for not using calculator for every feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing actually. I was merely answering a question.
Do I have to post scans of surfer going all out after saying those same words?

I said he didn't use super-speed because he never did. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.

You are acting like a child for sure.
Forgive me for not using calculator for every feat.

Except that the question was not asked of you and what you posted did not answer the question asked. Yet you refuse to answer my question as I predicted you wouldn't. Last shot, why would Superman not utilize a speed advantage against an otherwise formidible opponent? And remember, Superman has super smarts. The ball is in your court and insults don't count as answers.

"Do I have to post scans of surfer going all out after saying those same words?"

I don't know, do I have to post scans of Superman saying he is currently using super speed?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Except that the question was not asked of you and what you posted did not answer the question asked. Yet you refuse to answer my question as I predicted you wouldn't. Last shot, why would Superman not utilize a speed advantage against an otherwise formidible opponent? And remember, Superman has super smarts. The ball is in your court and insults don't count as answers.

"Do I have to post scans of surfer going all out after saying those same words?"

I don't know, do I have to post scans of Superman saying he is currently using super speed?
Ok. Because he didn't know about henshaw's upgrade.

In your case, yes.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Well you may as well dig up the scan with the Mexicans if were just starting the lowballing already.

The most interesting post in the entire thread and another incredible insight to the "Silver Surfer Battleboard" epidemic.

Surfer, easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. Because he didn't know about henshaw's upgrade.

In your case, yes.




Thanks for answering the question.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet



Thanks for answering the question.
Ok?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So its now decided by who votes who? I'll pass.

No. You misunderstand my point. What I meant was that people here should look at the actual scans rather than believe anything either one of us says and just judge from there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was a totally off panel fight after which Superman, Power Girl and Supergirl threw Henshaw at SBP while Cyborg said that superman nearly killed him. Its in Tales of sinestro corps: Superman prime.

Then you'll have no problem pointing out the issue number where the fight was either concluded or referenced in?

Originally posted by abhilegend
There was no upgrade in annihilation

Really?

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9894/newpower.jpg

As Galactus readies the Surfer with new power.

Soooo are we just gonna disregard the whole "new power" thing as indicated by the synopsis of the previous issue?

Or is there some sort of unique "interpretation" of that whole synopsis that we're all missing here?

Originally posted by abhilegend
and that doesn't mean his previous showings don't count. They absolutely do. Caiera oneshotted him on Sakaar IIRC.

I disagree, if Hulk is upgraded, we can no longer use his Mr Fixit days when demonstrating his low showings.

An upgrade doesn't exclude all a character's showings. IT DOES, however, mean that we need to determine what his new "average" is from within the upgrade period and contrast that with his old showings to see how far up he's gone.

So far, post-Annihilation upgrade Surfer has had very little low showings and many good ones.

When did Caiera one shot him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he was actually KTFO in that story as seen when Cyborg had him hang limply in his construct. You don't have to read any other story. Superman was KTFO and it was explicitly shown here.

http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2467054-3.png

Not the first time a character has been shown as "KO'd" at the end of an issue. What's important is the issue after that showcases what happens next.

Like I said, I'm sure you won't mind giving me the issue number where what happened after the aftermath and rematch after this fight with Henshaw was referenced so that I can take a look at it myself?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Enough all out to nearly kill a guy who previously curbstomped him? How about that?

This is comics. Superheroes get KTFO'd and come back right after all the time. This happens with Thor a lot, this happens with Superman and this happens with the Surfer, too. Ironically, this happens to Surfer in the very Lunatik scan you just provided in this very thread. It occurs when characters underestimate their enemies or when they fight a character who is a peer but get hit with a swarm of hits first.

It DOES NOT, however, prove that they were in any way vastly outclassed or that the enemy was far stronger than them without some specific written-in context. Which wasn't present in the Superman vs Henshaw fight in the scan you provided. Especially IF Superman came back and "nearly killed him" after.

Which is why the issue where the second fight they had took place is so important and which is why I am asking where the issue number is so I can take a look at it myself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer was captured because he was drained.

I actually read this comic before. This was back in the time where I actually collected Surfer comics. I don't remember Surfer "getting drained" at the end of the comic prior to his capture. Admittedly, I could be wrong (as it has been literally decades), so it would be nice if you provide the scan at the end of Silver Surfer vol. 3 No.11 so people can judge for themselves what happened?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not because he was weakened before that. WTF are you talking about? If you are talking about his experience with Dynamo city, that was a different tech and surfer was completely drained there.

Different tech, but by the Surfer's own words it felt similar to how he was drained before:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_06.jpg

"Haven't felt like this since Dynamo City..."

Originally posted by abhilegend
Drax who is powered by cosmic energies, completely no sold this draining. Make sure you've actually read the comic before start spewing nonsense.

As I'm not exactly sure which instance of "draining" you're referencing here, I would like to request a clarification of this and a scan of what you're referencing to. And it would be nice if we kept name-calling out of this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was the first time that alien tech was used on surfer and it wasn't with prep.

OF COURSE it was with prep. They knew exactly who they were facing and prepared a specific attack that they KNEW would work against him. Anyone who read the scans you provided would actually determine that right away. They came in specifically knowing WHO their target was and HOW to disable him.

Unless you're suggesting that these 3 opponents suddenly just decided to use a specific coordinated tactic with specific tech out of some random guess that it could work against a specific opponent?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention he didn't resist shit there, he was completely drained there. He just used a diversion to fire all his energy in the weapon which caused a feedback. It was also some random alien tech, nothing to brag about.

Where did he resist or adapt at anything?

None of that happened the way you're saying it did. In fact, here's a scan of the whole scene that YOU have (that you must have forgotten to include):

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_08.jpg

He was being drained, he powered thru (aka resisted it) the drain (as anyone would notice the "drain aura" that kept him down broke PRIOR to him deflecting the weapon) long enough to deflect the weapon which in turn, hit one of the mercs (or whatever they are) which gave him a small opening and he used that small opening to neutralize the drain completely (aka adapting to it) by overloading their devices.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Have you even read the story or just making shit up like usual?

You know as well as I that I DO NOT make shit up and I very well read all the evidence provided with a high level of scrutiny.

Now, we've always been cool Abhi. And in all our debates we've managed to kept personal attacks and antagonistic behavior outside of our debates. Would it be ok if we continued this behavior?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he tore them from his skin and Iron man let go of him because he had enough energy.

Which means what exactly? The drain did little to slow him down for long and my point was that this is bad evidence in arguing for a "Henshaw wins via draining" victory.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your excuses for surfer are really laughable.

What you call "excuses", I call "context". Context being the important parts of the story that actually explains what happens that we don't ignore just so we can come up with conclusions that we want.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He's an energy being in a shell.

An energy being is normally defined as "a being composed entirely of energy". The fact that it has been referenced countless times that the "silver glaze" actually coats his once-human body and that he's actually managed to remove the glaze before (his little scene with Alicia for example) and that he's been drawn more like "liquid metal" on more than a few occasions (Annihilation, In thy Name) seem to point to him being a "physical being with an energy bloodstream".

But this is really just semantics, if you want to call him an energy being, hey go on ahead. But how exactly does this help your argument?

Edit. ...and that he's been drawn more like "liquid metal" on more than a few occasions (Annihilators, In thy Name) seem to point to him being...

Originally posted by Nibedicus
No. You misunderstand my point. What I meant was that people here should look at the actual scans rather than believe anything either one of us says and just judge from there. I don't believe in "majority fallacy", neither should you.


That was the conclusion to that fight. There was a rematch where Superman nearly killed Cyborg off panel.

Respect threads are bad for health and that's just a bio. Here is the actual scene where Surfer denied the power and was only "restored". "I can undo what was done in anger. I can restore you". "I can heal you. Renew your will. Grant you new power. Take away the remorse". To which surfer told him a big fat NO and Galactus just restored him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/38919/1244715-annihilation_silver_surfer__3.jpg

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383016_noupgrade2jr6.jpg

which was confirmed here

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/719/noupgrade3mb3.jpg

You will ask what was taken away from surfer by galactus? None of his powers.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15764043_30.jpg

Just his ability to roam space/time.

It wasn't a power up in any sense or form.

A bio is dismissed when it contradicts the actual issue.


You are talking about a different version of hulk here. Fixit's showings can't be applied to savage hulk because its a different hulk altogether.

It wasn't an upgrade in the first place.

How about panther armbar? Or in one of his best showings against BRB, he was driven away by some random ships?

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15903002_brbgh_02_010.jpg

When he was turned into Silver Savage by Skaar I believe.


In this scene superman was totally KTFO. There is no follow up of this fight on panel. Some time after that superman recovers and nearly kills Cyborg, all off panel.

Tales of sinestro corps: Superman prime 1.


And then they nearly kill the guy who curbstomped them? It happened rarely. Surfer bluffed Lunatik when he found him evenly matched that he would die if he ever leaves the planet. After that we saw Lunatik on a space ship just fine. Superman knew just how dangerous Henshaw is.

In this case there is no context. All out superman is a different beast. He can oneshot KO people like Despero who previously KOED superman and captain marvel together.

I can't find that scan for some reason. Ah well.



Here is the end of the last issue. Surfer was drained and defeated off panel.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16382996_SS_v3_011_17a.jpg

Draining feels similar.

It was from a random space ship with no relation to dynamo city where those drainers came from.

The same dynamo city. I'm just calling what your reasoning actually is. Nothing name calling here.


No they were not prepped at all. All they knew was that somebody else was going there and they packed their gears without even knowing who he was.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383006_SS_v3_061_12a.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383010_SS_v3_061_13a.jpg


This is why I said that read the comic before running your mouth.

Yes. They were doing it for everyone else too. That was their MO.



I uploaded it for a reason and no I didn't forgot it.

He didn't do any of that. He used a small distraction to shoot all of his energies when they thought he was completely drained and took away all the weapons which were draining him here which gave him a chance to recover and overload the weapon of a single mercenary which could siphon only an increment of his power. Its the fault of the siphoning machine, not adapting by surfer.


And that's what your problem is. You scrutinize too much.

Only if you read the comics before commenting and making baseless theories.



Oh really?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/StarMasters3017.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/StarMasters3019.jpg

Its just an excuse.



The scene with alicia has been misrepresented many times. It was just mimicking a human form. Surfer never removed his glaze. That's not what surfer is. He is pure energy under the glaze and when Clea pierced him with a magic dagger he bleed energy and nothing else.

Because Cyborg has adapted to such a being before and oneshotted him. Eradicator.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't believe in "majority fallacy", neither should you.

How is:

"What I meant was that people here should look at the actual scans rather than believe anything either one of us says and just judge from there"

Seen as some form of appeal to numbers when all it means is that since it is obvious that there is no way to convince you of anything that would look bad for you debate for regardless of logic presented (which isn't really a bad thing as a lot of character fans tend to behave that way), the whole point of why we argue in a public forum is to have others view our points and to judge for themselves who is right or wrong. Otherwise, we should just PM each other and debate in an infinite loop til we're both blue in the face.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was the conclusion to that fight. There was a rematch where Superman nearly killed Cyborg off panel.

In this scene superman was totally KTFO. There is no follow up of this fight on panel. Some time after that superman recovers and nearly kills Cyborg, all off panel.

Tales of sinestro corps: Superman prime 1.

I read the issue you pointed to. There is absolutely no way you can say that Superman was completely KTFO here. All that happened here is that there is a scene that Superman was KO'd momentarily and then the next reference of the fight is Cyborg getting tooled into SBP nearly KOd and saying that "Almost... he almost... did it...". There was never any indication of Superman getting KO'd for any time period of time.

And the fact that Henshaw was aiming to "Have the satisfaction of destroying" or "annihilating" Superman and didn't have the time to do either seems to point away to Superman being KOd for any amount of time.

At this point, all you're doing is guessing what happened in between.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Respect threads are bad for health and that's just a bio. Here is the actual scene where Surfer denied the power and was only "restored". "I can undo what was done in anger. I can restore you". "I can heal you. Renew your will. Grant you new power. Take away the remorse". To which surfer told him a big fat NO and Galactus just restored him.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/3/38919/1244715-annihilation_silver_surfer__3.jpg

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383016_noupgrade2jr6.jpg

which was confirmed here

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/719/noupgrade3mb3.jpg

You will ask what was taken away from surfer by galactus? None of his powers.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15764043_30.jpg

Just his ability to roam space/time.

It wasn't a power up in any sense or form.

A bio is dismissed when it contradicts the actual issue.

Wow. That is a complete and utter butchering of what the scene is saying. I'm sorry, but that is just... wow.

Firstly, when Galactus says:

"I can heal you, renew your will, grant you new power, take away your remorse..."

And the Surfer interrupting him as he says "take away your remorse.." with:

"No. Give me the will to do what must be done. Let my remorse define me."

Was the Surfer saying NO to Galactus taking away his remorse. That's it. He did not say no to everything except the will part, otherwise, he'd have said no to the healing part as well (which btw happened).

Your interpretation of the whole scene is almost nonsensical. You're putting up a scan from the classic era where Galactus erected a barrier to keep the Surfer stuck on Earth, a barrier he has long since managed to breach and escape, as the scene referenced by "the power" that is restored to the Surfer. That would make the mention of the term "power" as well as the entire scene meaningless, pointless and senseless. And would make the whole sequence of Galactus needing him to be "restored" in order to stop the threat before them completely pointless.

My interpretation is that the scene is a soft "retcon" of the classic era notion that the Surfer's power wasn't diminished in his banishment to Earth. That in Annihilation, his full power and will pre-betrayal was restored in order to "deal with an upcoming threat" by Galactus.

This is then corroborated by the scans you and I provided about the "restoring" as well as "granting" of new power. Common sense would allow one to choose the correct interpretation from the ones we provided. Again, I'll have the unbiased readers of this forum come up with whose version makes more sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are talking about a different version of hulk here. Fixit's showings can't be applied to savage hulk because its a different hulk altogether.

An "upgraded" character IS a different version of a character. Spiderman when he got the black symbiote armor was also "upgraded" and we do not use Classic 5-ton strength Thing to determine what his lowest showings are now that he is 75+-Cl100 in strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How about panther armbar? Or in one of his best showings against BRB, he was driven away by some random ships?

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15903002_brbgh_02_010.jpg

There was context to the BP scene. As confirmed by the writer. Just because you refuse to acknowledge what the writer says and want to have your version of how things happen overrule what the actual writer intended doesn't change this.

How is getting momentarily stunned when ambushed by Skuttlebutt right after he beat up on BRB a low showing? Or are you referring to him getting chased away by literally an armada of ships?

Originally posted by abhilegend
When he was turned into Silver Savage by Skaar I believe.

Scans? I don't recall him ever getting one shotted there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And then they nearly kill the guy who curbstomped them? It happened rarely. Surfer bluffed Lunatik when he found him evenly matched that he would die if he ever leaves the planet. After that we saw Lunatik on a space ship just fine. Superman knew just how dangerous Henshaw is.

In this case there is no context. All out superman is a different beast. He can oneshot KO people like Despero who previously KOED superman and captain marvel together.

My point was that the hero getting KO'd then coming back on the next issue happens in comics all the time. It's a common storytelling tool. And how do you even know that Lunatik was bluffed? Do you have a scan proving that? A lot of things can happen off panel.

Of course there was context. I read the issue you pointed me to, there was never any indication that Superman went "all out", there was never any indication that Superman was KOd for any period of time. You are literally just guessing what happened in between.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is the end of the last issue. Surfer was drained and defeated off panel.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16382996_SS_v3_011_17a.jpg

He wasn't ever shown to be drained/defeated the way you make it sound. He was ambushed and defeated off panel, however, but since it's never shown, you're just guessing again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Draining feels similar.

It was from a random space ship with no relation to dynamo city where those drainers came from.

Which is my point. Different tech, but draining still "felt the same" to the Surfer. Draining he was able to power thru and resist.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm just calling what your reasoning actually is. Nothing name calling here.

Actually, "make shit up" is an accusatory post and implies that I lied about what I say, pretty much name calling. Even when I referenced everything I said using your own scans. Perhaps you didn't realize it at the time so I'm willing to let it go. But let's just keep this debate purely logical shall we?

Again, we can play the whole accusation game but, like I said, I always approach you with respect and would like the same treatment.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No they were not prepped at all. All they knew was that somebody else was going there and they packed their gears without even knowing who he was.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383006_SS_v3_061_12a.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383010_SS_v3_061_13a.jpg

This is why I said that read the comic before running your mouth.

Where does it say that they weren't prepared for the Surfer? They were given a target and told that the target would have someone with them. Then they walk off and had the time to do whatever they wanted off panel w/c includes prepping for their enemy like any smart merc would.

Tho, I will concede that no such proof exist to prove one or the other.

Regardless to whether they were prepped or not, however, it is shown is that the 3 approached the Surfer with the exact attack needed to weaken him (which can be chalked up to dumb luck or prep) and the Surfer managed to bust out just fine.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. They were doing it for everyone else too. That was their MO.

Scans?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I uploaded it for a reason and no I didn't forgot it.

So you didn't forget to NOT include it? Ok then...

Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't do any of that. He used a small distraction to shoot all of his energies when they thought he was completely drained and took away all the weapons which were draining him here which gave him a chance to recover and overload the weapon of a single mercenary which could siphon only an increment of his power. Its the fault of the siphoning machine, not adapting by surfer.

There was never an indication on panel that they took away the draining from him. I mean, why would they even do that? They have to be the most incompetent mercs of all to WILLINGLY take away the weapons that was keeping their target helpless?

Hell, look at the art:

http://i.imgur.com/3Q1Ivkq.jpg

He's about to shoot the Surfer in the head and the drain-aura was still there the whole time. As soon as Surfer says "No!", the aura dissipates. And you would have me believe that the mercs somehow in between him about to shoot the Surfer, turned off their draining weapons??

No, the art and common sense would tell us that they didn't take the draining weapons from him at all. Surfer broke free on his own and deflected the weapon from him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And that's what your problem is. You scrutinize too much.

There is no such thing as too much scrutiny. If we want to be completely accurate, we need to make sure we look at all the information provided. The alternative is to simply guess on what the right interpretation is and allow biases to cloud our perceptions.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only if you read the comics before commenting and making baseless theories.

How can I scrutinize too much and be baseless at the same time? To be baseless, one has to have no foundation and opted to not scrutinize the information provided. It's either one or the other.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh really?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/StarMasters3017.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/StarMasters3019.jpg

What does this have to do with anything? My whole reply was about the Iron Man scan being provided did nothing to prove a "Henshaw wins via draining" argument.

This new scene just shows that any character can be beaten if caught by surprise. The fact that the same team seems to have captured BRB, Thor and Gladiator as well kinda makes all this kinda pointless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its just an excuse.

Understanding context is not an excuse. You can keep repeating "excuse" til your face is blue but won't make it the case.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The scene with alicia has been misrepresented many times. It was just mimicking a human form. Surfer never removed his glaze. That's not what surfer is. He is pure energy under the glaze and when Clea pierced him with a magic dagger he bleed energy and nothing else.

You have anything that proves he was simply mimicing a human form and not shifting his molecules take human form or to remove the glaze?

The Surfer has been portrayed many different ways, liquid metal, metal glaze powered by energy, etc. but what has been consistent is that the glaze that covers him is what primarily defines how he is as a "being". He is NOT composed entirely of energy as what an "energy being" is. As even if he is pure energy inside the glaze, for the purposes of this entire debate, the glaze is what's important as the glaze itself is what he uses primarily to interact with his surroundings physically (to touch and feel), is what protects him from attacks and what needs to be breached before any harm is inflicted to the Surfer. And the glaze itself is still physical in nature and not energy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Cyborg has adapted to such a being before and oneshotted him. Eradicator.

Are you talking about the time Henshaw attacked Eradicator from behind? If not, scans pls to know context.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Where does it say that they weren't prepared for the Surfer? You want me to prove a negative? They were given a task of obtaining a baby. they were never told who would be there much less silver surfer would be there. You would be wrong again. These were not Merc of that category. All of their weapons came from a space ship and they carried them ever since. It wasn't a prep situation.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384254_SS_v3_062_10b.jpg

Yes there is. There was no prep involved.

Because their weapons were flawed, not due to surfer being adaptive or something.

Posted above.

I accidentally edited it after including it and when I realized, it was over time limit.


Because he wasn't their primary target and the baby was? Surfer wasn't their target and he was pretty helpless there.

Essentially yes. Surfer wasn't resisting shit there. He was as helpless as in dynamo city and look what happened there.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-11.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-12.jpg

Completely powerless both times.

So a powerless surfer by his own admission who had no power to siphon from broke from a siphon field? What's good about that?



In comics there is. Writers and artists don't pay that much attention as battle boarders do.



Because you haven't actually read the comic and making theories out of nothing?


Ok, would you concede if I show you EM manipulation draining surfer completely?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_FantasticFourv105715.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_FantasticFourv105716.jpg

Inductors draining surfer completely. Just look how much adaptive surfer is against that kind of draining

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384290_2602544-2289007_p1_zps747a69d9.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384291_2602546-2289006_img0190_zps51e13102.jpg

I can show many such showings.


Glad you asked about capturing those guys. Dampyre, the guy who drained surfer couldn't do anything to Quasar.



And you can find excuses till cows come home. Wouldn't change anything.



He mentioned that he was just mimicking the human form.

The glaze has been utterly ineffectual in resisting energy drain by tech, so I don't see what the problem is.



http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384482_Superman_v2_107_-_20.jpg

Lets look at some of other draining instances

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384479_SS_v3_144_16a.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384481_SS_v3_144_17a.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/Defendersv2008-08.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/FantasticFour072-19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/FantasticFour072-20.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-17.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3027-12.jpg

How many you can find an excuse for? Also Henshaw is completely capable of harnessing energy with his powers, greater than Saint Walker and Starman combined

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Henshaw1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Henshaw2.jpg

Originally posted by Nibedicus
How is:

"What I meant was that people here should look at the actual scans rather than believe anything either one of us says and just judge from there"

Seen as some form of appeal to numbers when all it means is that since it is obvious that there is no way to convince you of anything that would look bad for you debate for regardless of logic presented (which isn't really a bad thing as a lot of character fans tend to behave that way), the whole point of why we argue in a public forum is to have others view our points and to judge for themselves who is right or wrong. Otherwise, we should just PM each other and debate in an infinite loop til we're both blue in the face. This means nothing at all save you giving an excuse to type away.



Post all the scans that show that superman was only momentarily KOED. I would be waiting.

Really? Killing superman is A LOT tougher than knocking him out. Ask doomsday.

And you are doing what exactly?



Lulz, just lulz.

LOLWUT? Surfer said that to granting him new power. Notice how he addressed every part in a different sentence and NO was in response to giving him new power.

It was meant to make a badass out of a pacifist character, not give him new powers. Galactus never removed any power from surfer but his ability to roam space/time.

http://i.imgur.com/KTMRqZW.jpg

No it wasn't. Nope. He was made a cold-blooded planet seeker again and that's it.

You are wrong again. Its agreed on several forums that surfer wasn't upgraded in Annihilation not just on KMC.



If only surfer was upgraded! Meaningless. Surfer wasn't upgraded. Your interpretation is yours only.


Mcduffie was apologizing. Writer say those all the time.

I posted the wrong scan but that works too. That's the scan which I don't have atm.


Again not available atm.



List all the examples for surfer. Lunatik appeared in Drax's series ON EARTH later. You mean Lunatik with no power other than strength somehow freed his life force bonded with the planet without any explanation? Haha.

You are doing a fine job yourself. At least I have some basis presented by the issue. Superman himself said that he never killed Henshaw because he never tried really. That meant he tried this time and went all out, nearly killing him. Your whole argument is "Wah, cyborg only momentarily KOED superman. That proves he was so weak that superman in return killed him".


So he was just there ready to be drained? He wasn't ambushed, Reptyl attacked him after announcing himself and surfer went down by draining seeing how he curbstomped an evolved and more powerful Reptyl.



He didn't resist shit. You are just throwing excuses left and right.



Not untill you read the things before commenting on it.

Respect must be earned and you're doing nothing to earn it atm. I respect your opinion but if you wouldn't read the source material, I can't respect your opinion about it. Its nothing personal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This means nothing at all save you giving an excuse to type away.

Well, if you choose not to understand what I meant by what I said and simply make up whatever you want about my intentions, then go on ahead.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post all the scans that show that superman was only momentarily KOED. I would be waiting.

And you are doing what exactly?

Glad you agree that neither one of us has the evidence to prove either of our stances here.



Now if only that stopped you from claiming that "Superman was totally KO'd" over and over again.....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Killing superman is A LOT tougher than knocking him out. Ask doomsday.

Killing a "totally KO'd Superman" (as you say) who is at your mercy? Sure, I believe you.

Not really.

Unless you're saying Henshaw completely sucks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz, just lulz.

LOLWUT? Surfer said that to granting him new power. Notice how he addressed every part in a different sentence and NO was in response to giving him new power.

I thought you said that Galactus restored the Surfer's "power" to travel time/space?

How come you suddenly have TWO completely different interpretations of the incident? Where one has Surfer's power being restored and the other being that Surfer refused to get new power in the first place. It's either one or the other. Make up your mind.

If Surfer said no to the new power, then he said no to the new power. Having 2 completely different and conflicting interpretation of the scene only proves one thing:

Your story isn't straight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was meant to make a badass out of a pacifist character, not give him new powers. Galactus never removed any power from surfer but his ability to roam space/time.

By erecting an invisible barrier that only affected the Surfer, which he has since breached/escaped. Thus, this line of reasoning makes the entire dramatization of the scene and the repeated mentioning of "power" which is new/restored absolutely pointless.

Not buying it.

That whole line of reasoning is simply the way some people try to discredit what has happened in Annihilation due to them being desperate to believe that no upgrade happened.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i.imgur.com/KTMRqZW.jpg

SMH.

This is the same instance where Galactus trapped the Surfer within the Earth. You're just using different instances of it being mentioned. Again, Surfer has since escaped the planet and breached the shield.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No it wasn't. Nope. He was made a cold-blooded planet seeker again and that's it.

So, the whole "new/restored" power thing would be completely irrelevant in the whole process?

Again. Not buying it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are wrong again. Its agreed on several forums that surfer wasn't upgraded in Annihilation not just on KMC.

NOW who's doing the whole "appeal to numbers" route?

Originally posted by abhilegend
If only surfer was upgraded! Meaningless. Surfer wasn't upgraded. Your interpretation is yours only.

And your interpretation is yours.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mcduffie was apologizing. Writer say those all the time.

You can keep denying what he said, doesn't make you right.

Even he thinks the whole armbar thing people keep throwing around is stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted the wrong scan but that works too. That's the scan which I don't have atm.

Since when does getting chased away by a whole damned armada of an unknown tech-level alien race (one confident enough in their own tech to try and take down Galactus) a bad showing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again not available atm.

Well, then, I guess we'll just have to throw away that claim of yours then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
List all the examples for surfer.

Why is it relevant to Surfer when the instance we're debating about is Superman coming back and kicking Henshaw's butt after being temporarily KOd?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lunatik appeared in Drax's series ON EARTH later. You mean Lunatik with no power other than strength somehow freed his life force bonded with the planet without any explanation? Haha.

Hey it happens in comics. They brought back T&A without any explanations. However, YOU made the assertion that "Lunatik was bluffed", YOU need to post proof of this. Burden of proof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are doing a fine job yourself. At least I have some basis presented by the issue. Superman himself said that he never killed Henshaw because he never tried really. That meant he tried this time and went all out, nearly killing him. Your whole argument is "Wah, cyborg only momentarily KOED superman. That proves he was so weak that superman in return killed him".

No. MY point is that you have no proof to support the statement you keep asserting to. You say "totally KO'd" and that without proof. You say he "went all out" and that without proof.

The fact that Superman CAME BACK and beat up on Henshaw POINTS to him being momentarily KOd or at least awakened before Henshaw (who intended to kill him) was able to finish the job.

And no, I didn't say that "he was so weak that Superman in return killed him", I said that momentarily KOing Superman in 6 hits doesn't make him as uber as you're trying to make him sound.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So he was just there ready to be drained? He wasn't ambushed, Reptyl attacked him after announcing himself and surfer went down by draining seeing how he curbstomped an evolved and more powerful Reptyl.

He was ambushed and taken down off panel. Everything else you say is a complete guess.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't resist shit. You are just throwing excuses left and right.

I already shown the evidence that support my case.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not untill you read the things before commenting on it.

Which I do. I do not "make shit up" because I base ALL my assertions on the scans that either you or I provide. If something is not available via scan, all I will say is "there is insufficient evidence to prove X".

While I admit that some of my interpretations of events could be wrong (mostly due to a a lack of evidence being made available), but what I do NOT do, is lie or "make shit up".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Respect must be earned and you're doing nothing to earn it atm. I respect your opinion but if you wouldn't read the source material, I can't respect your opinion about it. Its nothing personal.

Actually, mutual respect is best given freely in a forum where mutual good conduct is expected amongst strangers. You don't need to respect my opinion, but accusing people of lying is not exactly targeted at one's opinion. We can just start insulting each other, but all that is going to accomplish is get both of us warned. That is why I tend to offer my respect freely even to people everyone treats with disdain, save perhaps those I strongly feel are intentionally trolling myself/other posters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You want me to prove a negative? They were given a task of obtaining a baby. they were never told who would be there much less silver surfer would be there. You would be wrong again. These were not Merc of that category. All of their weapons came from a space ship and they carried them ever since. It wasn't a prep situation.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384254_SS_v3_062_10b.jpg

You claimed that they jumped right in as soon as they got the job. I merely asserted that they must have prepared for the Surfer if they somehow figured out the one specific tactic needed to actually be effective against the Surfer.

That or plot induced dumb luck.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes there is. There was no prep involved.

/shrug

Dumb luck then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because their weapons were flawed, not due to surfer being adaptive or something.

Posted above.

There was never an indication of any "flaw" in their weapons being the case of Surfer powering out of them.

And you say I make excuses? Come on, man!

Originally posted by abhilegend
I accidentally edited it after including it and when I realized, it was over time limit.

Ok then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he wasn't their primary target and the baby was? Surfer wasn't their target and he was pretty helpless there.

So what you're saying is that they let him out (even though he is dangeroues and killing him would double their pay) of their energy drain because he wasn't their primary target?

That doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Essentially yes. Surfer wasn't resisting shit there. He was as helpless as in dynamo city and look what happened there.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-11.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3040-12.jpg

Completely powerless both times.

Um, that doesn't really disprove the point I made about the sequence and artwork pointing to Surfer powering out of the energy drain... I mean what's your point in posting a scan that I already knew about happened?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So a powerless surfer by his own admission who had no power to siphon from broke from a siphon field? What's good about that?

He broke out of it and then overloaded their instruments. Proves that he can break out of and adapt to draining. Which was my point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In comics there is. Writers and artists don't pay that much attention as battle boarders do.

Not really. If we do not scrutinize the words and gather the correct intention of the writer, we end up with wildly different interpretation of the same scene.

Many of which are biased towards the character each person wants to win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because you haven't actually read the comic and making theories out of nothing?

And where exactly did I do that? Please quote where I made a theory without pointing out the evidence provided.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, would you concede if I show you EM manipulation draining surfer completely?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_FantasticFourv105715.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/th_FantasticFourv105716.jpg

Inductors draining surfer completely. Just look how much adaptive surfer is against that kind of draining

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384290_2602544-2289007_p1_zps747a69d9.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384291_2602546-2289006_img0190_zps51e13102.jpg

I can show many such showings.



So Dr. Doom's tech that was made via prep to specifically drain the Surfer worked? Wow. Really? One of comics' highest end prepper using tech to specifically do something via prep (and a harness based on that tech) achieving something that he's managed to do to far more powerful beings in comics? What a surprise!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Glad you asked about capturing those guys. Dampyre, the guy who drained surfer couldn't do anything to Quasar.

Scans for context please.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And you can find excuses till cows come home. Wouldn't change anything.

I post arguments, not "excuses". I agree that it wouldn't change your mind though, I don't think anything can.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He mentioned that he was just mimicking the human form.

Scans?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The glaze has been utterly ineffectual in resisting energy drain by tech, so I don't see what the problem is.

The problem is that, being a physical being, it would be rather presumptuous to assume that anyone would go the "drain energy" route as soon as the fight begins when there is someone he can just punch/shoot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384482_Superman_v2_107_-_20.jpg

So how does Henshaw shooting and KOing Eradicator (a being he's encountered in the past) with a beam (tailor made for him) prove anything?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lets look at some of other draining instances

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384479_SS_v3_144_16a.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384481_SS_v3_144_17a.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/Defendersv2008-08.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/FantasticFour072-19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/FantasticFour072-20.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3024-17.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Marvel/SilverSurferv3027-12.jpg

-Need prior page to get context but it looks like he was attacked from behind.
-Ambushed while his guard was down.
-Looks like prep was involved (wasn't this the missle that was based on Reed's tech to neutralize the Surfer?).
-Losing energy =/= getting drained as it was stated that the all the energy in the area was controlled by the computer, he still had enough power to not die from getting sliced up, tho.
-Annnd getting sealed off from his power by the Stranger is not tech and is not really a good example.

Context. Please stop ignoring it.

My point has always been:

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And then somehow extrapolate that Henshaw can duplicate the specifics of these attacks without prep, to a prepared and healthy Surfer (who has, via your scans, been able to adapt from past experiences and resist draining, even those that have been able to work on him in the past) in a battle scenario wherein he knows little of the opponent he's facing other than public knowledge? And you're saying he'll do this while fighting in character?

This is a forum battle where there is NO PREP and that one opponent only gets basic knowledge of the other and where one character DOESN'T get to ambush the other and where the other character starts off at full strength. Posting scans where a character got ambushed, had prior knowledge, had prep used against him or was in a weakened position doesn't help your entire "Henshaw wins via draining" argument.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How many you can find an excuse for? Also Henshaw is completely capable of harnessing energy with his powers, greater than Saint Walker and Starman combined

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Henshaw1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Henshaw2.jpg

How does this scan prove that Henshaw would:

1) Be able to analyze/figure out Surfer's so-called "tech-based weakness to draining"? An opponent he knows only public knowledge about (powerful being that flies on a surfboard)?
2) Use draining as a tactic against an opponent that (from the outside) really isn't made out of energy (while fighting in character) instead of y'know, punching/shooting/blasting him.
3) Be able to figure out the exact tech needed to drain the Surfer during a battle scenario where the Surfer would no doubt be flying around and blasting him.

You'll really need to explain the relevance of that scan there.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, if you choose not to understand what I meant by what I said and simply make up whatever you want about my intentions, then go on ahead.


Glad you agree that neither one of us has the evidence to prove either of our stances here.



Now if only that stopped you from claiming that "Superman was totally KO'd" over and over again.....



Killing a "totally KO'd Superman" (as you say) who is at your mercy? Sure, I believe you.

Not really.

Unless you're saying Henshaw completely sucks.



I thought you said that Galactus restored the Surfer's "power" to travel time/space?

How come you suddenly have TWO completely different interpretations of the incident? Where one has Surfer's power being restored and the other being that Surfer refused to get new power in the first place. It's either one or the other. Make up your mind.

If Surfer said no to the new power, then he said no to the new power. Having 2 completely different and conflicting interpretation of the scene only proves one thing:

Your story isn't straight.



By erecting an invisible barrier that only affected the Surfer, which he has since breached/escaped. Thus, this line of reasoning makes the entire dramatization of the scene and the repeated mentioning of "power" which is new/restored absolutely pointless.

Not buying it.

That whole line of reasoning is simply the way some people try to discredit what has happened in Annihilation due to them being desperate to believe that no upgrade happened.



SMH.

This is the same instance where Galactus trapped the Surfer within the Earth. You're just using different instances of it being mentioned. Again, Surfer has since escaped the planet and breached the shield.



So, the whole "new/restored" power thing would be completely irrelevant in the whole process?

Again. Not buying it.



NOW who's doing the whole "appeal to numbers" route?



And your interpretation is yours.



You can keep denying what he said, doesn't make you right.

Even he thinks the whole armbar thing people keep throwing around is stupid.



Since when does getting chased away by a whole damned armada of an unknown tech-level alien race (one confident enough in their own tech to try and take down Galactus) a bad showing?



Well, then, I guess we'll just have to throw away that claim of yours then.



Why is it relevant to Surfer when the instance we're debating about is Superman coming back and kicking Henshaw's butt after being temporarily KOd?



Hey it happens in comics. They brought back T&A without any explanations. However, YOU made the assertion that "Lunatik was bluffed", YOU need to post proof of this. Burden of proof.



No. MY point is that you have no proof to support the statement you keep asserting to. You say "totally KO'd" and that without proof. You say he "went all out" and that without proof.

The fact that Superman CAME BACK and beat up on Henshaw POINTS to him being momentarily KOd or at least awakened before Henshaw (who intended to kill him) was able to finish the job.

And no, I didn't say that "he was so weak that Superman in return killed him", I said that momentarily KOing Superman in 6 hits doesn't make him as uber as you're trying to make him sound.



He was ambushed and taken down off panel. Everything else you say is a complete guess.



I already shown the evidence that support my case.



Which I do. I do not "make shit up" because I base ALL my assertions on the scans that either you or I provide. If something is not available via scan, all I will say is "there is insufficient evidence to prove X".

While I admit that some of my interpretations of events could be wrong (mostly due to a a lack of evidence being made available), but what I do NOT do, is lie or "make shit up".



Actually, mutual respect is best given freely in a forum where mutual good conduct is expected amongst strangers. You don't need to respect my opinion, but accusing people of lying is not exactly targeted at one's opinion. We can just start insulting each other, but all that is going to accomplish is get both of us warned. That is why I tend to offer my respect freely even to people everyone treats with disdain, save perhaps those I strongly feel are intentionally trolling myself/other posters. I'm too tired at this point (just finished a very large document at my computer for office), so I would just agree to disagree.

The only thing Surfer said no to when Galactus was naming everything was "taking away his remorse". Surfer even explains that he doesn't want his remorse taken away and why. Everything else, Galactus gave it to him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm too tired at this point (just finished a very large document at my computer for office), so I would just agree to disagree. Then you concede to his points.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you concede to his points.

Me and Abhi actually have an understanding about our debates: we keep going for as long ad both parties are having fun. Guy had a long day and must be tired. I don't see this as anything more than a guy who did a lot of work getting tired and deciding to take a break.

Not a concession at any level but simply an agreement to simply disagree with no hard feelings.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Me and Abhi actually have an understanding about our debates: we keep going for as long ad both parties are having fun. Guy had a long day and must be tired. I don't see this as anything more than a guy who did a lot of work getting tired and deciding to take a break.

Not a concession at any level but simply an agreement to simply disagree with no hard feelings. I see it differently and to me its usually when one poster breaks. But feel free to disagree.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Me and Abhi actually have an understanding about our debates: we keep going for as long ad both parties are having fun. Guy had a long day and must be tired. I don't see this as anything more than a guy who did a lot of work getting tired and deciding to take a break.

Not a concession at any level but simply an agreement to simply disagree with no hard feelings.

Well, sir, you are quite familar with the high road I see. Kudos to you.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Well, sir, you are quite familar with the high road I see. Kudos to you.

Arrangement is really just between me and Abhi as he was pretty cool with me back when I was new (YOU'RE the new guy now! Bwaha!). Don't expect the same treatment when it's you and me, tho.

uhuh

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Arrangement is really just between me and Abhi as he was pretty cool with me back when I was new (YOU'RE the new guy now! Bwaha!). Don't expect the same treatment when it's you and me, tho.

uhuh




Yeah, okay. And Babyface Nelson was an antisocial bloodthirstyl luntic. I'm onto your reverse psychology, but don't worry, I won't tell Abby.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yeah, okay. And Babyface Nelson was an antisocial bloodthirstyl luntic. I'm onto your reverse psychology, but don't worry, I won't tell Abby.

I'm actually being honest. Abhi was cool to me when I was new. Even helped me with research into some Surfer "feats". :-/

I was a bit joking about being mean to you, tho.