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Rules:

- Thanos gets THOTU

- Michael Demiurgos at a full power

- The battle takes place in an empty universe


Who win?

By the very nature of tHotU, Thanos stomps Michael into the ground.

Originally posted by zopzop
By the very nature of tHotU, Thanos stomps Michael into the ground.

Michael owns and can use the power of God.

Thanos wins.

Originally posted by backup
Michael owns and can use the power of God.

Theoretically they have the same power, but Michael has no control over his (or Thanos')

^ He does have control over it-- universal control, in fact.

Thanos still wins, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ He does have control over it-- universal control, in fact.

What are you referring to?

Originally posted by Cogito
What are you referring to?
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Originally posted by Galan007
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Ah, a somewhat ambiguous feat. There are obviously complicating circumstances, and exactly what was happening was only speculated on.

It may be true though, who knows.

You're right. The power itself may have worked naturally in that fashion w/o any sort of conscious control from Michael, or Michael could have directed it to do so. Dunno.

Either way, Thanos wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're right. Seems like he, personally, was the one rewriting Yahweh's name on every atom of creation. However, the power itself may have worked naturally in that fashion w/o any sort of conscious control from Michael.

Either way, Thanos wins.

Is it a stomp? If so, why, if they wield the same power.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Is it a stomp? If so, why, if they wield the same power. I believe they wield the same overall power(the power of God), but Thanos could manipulate that power to his whim-- Michael could not(which is why Lucifer's will was required.) Heck, even if you credit Michael alone with the universal showing I posted above, it is still not a 'offensive' showing, thus doesn't matter in this battle either way.

HOTU

Originally posted by Golgo13
Is it a stomp? If so, why, if they wield the same power. Wrong. Thanos is more powerful and has a greater will. Thanos stomps.

There's no "beating" the HOTU.

Originally posted by curryman
There's no "beating" Thanos.

michael doesn't have the feats to suggest he's even above LT, whom thanos absorbed along with everything and everyone else.

michael also has 2 low showings, thanos had none (unless you consider, the universal flaw which he was unable to fix, a low showing).

thanos definitely wins, imo.

Necro bump.

Scans of thanos absorbing the living tribunal

Michael easily.

Michael a omnIversal being versus Thanos who is an entire universe and has control of himself.

I'm going with Michael for the 10/10, who's power is the infinite creation of all DC comics. Michael is one who created all of what you see on every page of every DC comic, the ink, the color, every molecule that makes up every character is from Michael. The infinite spark, the endless ocean with no shore.

Lucifer than used his will to shape all of that raw color, ink, penciling into the shapes we understand and recognize.

Originally posted by operator616
michael doesn't have the feats to suggest he's even above LT, whom thanos absorbed along with everything and everyone else.

This times 100000000.

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Originally posted by zopzop
By the very nature of tHotU, Thanos stomps Michael into the ground.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Originally posted by curryman
There's no "beating" the HOTU.

Originally posted by Galan007
I believe they wield the same overall power(the power of God), but Thanos could manipulate that power to his whim-- Michael could not(which is why Lucifer's will was required.) Heck, even if you credit Michael alone with the universal showing I posted above, it is still not a 'offensive' showing, thus doesn't matter in this battle either way.

Okay. Before stating a winner we need to understand the weapon held by Thanos.

The HOTU is a weapon that allows its weilder to become everyone and anything in the "MULTIVERSE". It is considered the power of God, because it basically makes the owner be on top of the Power Hierchy! As seen in the comic, Thanos killed the LT who is second to TOAA. So it means that the HOTU grants it's weilder power over any being in the MULTIVERSE.

The HOTU acts as a server in a way, in where the algorithms of all the beings within the MULTIVERSE/UNIVERSE is written, and in where THANOS/WIELDER is able to interact/modify/erase these algorithms. Like we saw in the comic, Thanos became everyone (Interacted) in the Multiverse, then he could Erase them (Modify/Erase) including the LT.

Now this makes perfect sence. Since TOAA created the Multiverse, and along it the LT. This means again that the HOTU affects every MULTIVERSAL being e.g (LT, Cosmic beings, sentient life, etc). Any form of life that exists within the Universe.

Now going back to the main topic. We need to ask ourselves if Michael is a MULTIVERSAL being? The answer is no! If am not mistaken The Presence created Michael and Lucifer before the Multiverse and therefore in this case the HOTU would have no effect on these organisms. In the same way, when Thanos grabbed the HOTU, it doesn't mean that he had power over beings that existed before or away from the MULTIVERSE. For instance, the Beyonders, i believe weren't affected by the HOTU since they form no part of the multiverse. TOAA is another example, Thanos didn't became TOAA when he grabbed the Heart, since TOAA isn't a multiversal being. Any other form of life alien to the Multiverse wouldn't be affected by the HOTU. \

E.G. Thanos HOTU vs The Beyonders: Beyonders win, since they aren't affected by the Heart. So HOTU is useless in this battle.

In another thread (Thanos HOTU vs Superman Armor) then yes Thanos would win, since when merging both universes (MARVEL nad DC), superman would fall at a Universal scale, since he was born within the universe/mulltiverse, and then no matter his power level would be affected by the HOTU.

In conclusion, the HOTU is so powerful because if affects any form of life within the universe/multiverse, but by it's own way of working is useless against any being who doesn't belong to that Multiverse/Universe. Michael wins this one.

(This doesn't mean that Michael is more powerful than other beings the Heart of the Universe erased like the Living Tribunal, but only means that he isn't affected by the HOTU and therefore can win this one).

Originally posted by zopzop
This times 100000000.

Michael isn't at the level of the Tribunal, but wins this one because of his origins.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Michael a omnIversal being versus Thanos who is an entire universe and has control of himself.

I'm going with Michael for the 10/10, who's power is the infinite creation of all DC comics. Michael is one who created all of what you see on every page of every DC comic, the ink, the color, every molecule that makes up every character is from Michael. The infinite spark, the endless ocean with no shore.

Lucifer than used his will to shape all of that raw color, ink, penciling into the shapes we understand and recognize.

You are quite right my friend.

Love reading older topics and post to see people's opinion completely flip flop

Originally posted by abhilegend
Michael easily.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Scans of thanos absorbing the living tribunal
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/35827855_Marvel_Universe_-_The_End_006-007.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/35827856_Marvel_Universe_-_The_End_006-009.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/35827857_Marvel_Universe_-_The_End_006-010.jpg
-Marvel: The End #6



Anywho... Since this thread was made it has been revealed that a.) THOTI only represented a mere fraction of TOAA's powers, and b.) LT, like all other abstract beings in Marvel, is a universal entity.

Conversely, Michael's status/purpose/role has not changed: he still contains the totality of God's Demiurgic power... So take that for what it's worth. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/35827855_Marvel_Universe_-_The_End_006-007.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/35827856_Marvel_Universe_-_The_End_006-009.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/35827857_Marvel_Universe_-_The_End_006-010.jpg
-Marvel: The End #6



Anywho... Since this thread was made it has been revealed that a.) THOTI only represented a mere fraction of TOAA's powers, and b.) LT, like all other abstract beings in Marvel, is a universal entity.

Conversely, Michael's status/purpose/role has not changed: he still contains the totality of God's Demiurgic power... So take that for what it's worth. /shrug

The living tribunal isn't a universal being...All the other entities are.

Living Tribunal is universal, one per universe which culminate into its totality that is the multiversal version of it.

When the beyonders killed the multiversal LT it simultaneously killed every universal aspect of it.

Thanos in the What If? The End took over and became exactly one universe, he absorbed that and only that universes LT.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Living Tribunal is universal, one per universe which culminate into its totality that is the multiversal version of it.

When the beyonders killed the multiversal LT it simultaneously killed every universal aspect of it.

Thanos in the What If? The End took over and became exactly one universe, he absorbed that and only that universes LT.

You do know however that the Power of a "universal" Living Tribunal is the same of that of the Multiverses right? Doesn't matter, the LT's power is the same no matter where. LT is a multiversal being. No matter where, it is the same tribunal everywhere. Not as Eternity or other cosmic beings which change depending on the Universe.

Here I was all ready to say Thanos gets the shit slapped out of him and then I notice he has THOTU...

Originally posted by Board Walker
Living Tribunal is universal, one per universe which culminate into its totality that is the multiversal version of it.

When the beyonders killed the multiversal LT it simultaneously killed every universal aspect of it.

Thanos in the What If? The End took over and became exactly one universe, he absorbed that and only that universes LT. Yes indeed.

Starlin himself has recently emphasized that there is a different LT in each and every universe in the multiverse. Ergo universal.


Anyone who doubts this should read "Infinity Revelation", "Infinity Relativity", and "Infinity Finale".

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes indeed.

Starlin himself has recently emphasized that there is a different LT in each and every universe in the multiverse. Ergo universal.


Anyone who doubts this should read "Infinity Revelation", "Infinity Relativity", and "Infinity Finale".

Regarding Starlin's comics then yes. Regarding the Marvel Continuity then no.

Starlin's comics are Marvel continuity.



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Originally posted by Galan007
Starlin's comics are Marvel continuity.



https://media.tenor.com/images/f55341239bb31d2d9969a6667ee3699c/tenor.gif I think the Marvel Universe has changed since it became iteration 8 if Ultimates is anything to go by. It seems we have only one LT now and he is dead.

Michael wins easily even if thanos is completely scaled through all of Multiversal abstracts lvl .

Micheal alongside lucifer birthed the DC universe in to existence from void ( with abstracts such as endless being the side effect of them warping the creation ) .
They are even superior to endless parents like Night and Time who predates all versions of creations .

Dream plays similar role to Eternity ( since his death created a cosmic storm which would've erased all of realities in the DC ) and he was extremely terrfied of lucifer .
And you can even count the Source who is created alongside with the universe and whose powers greatly empowers all the cosmic entities in DC .

Swamp thing amped by the power of yggdrasil and green stomped a void embodiment pralaya who destroyed all of creation including spatial and temporal dimensions which is also a side effect of micheal and lucifer warping the creation .

So I think Micheal wins even if Thanos is completely scaled from abstracts . He can renew the gods creation by just existing and weilds the power of creating stuff from nothingness

Originally posted by Galan007
Starlin's comics are Marvel continuity.



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Originally posted by Galan007
Yes indeed.

Starlin himself has recently emphasized that there is a different LT in each and every universe in the multiverse. Ergo universal.


Anyone who doubts this should read "Infinity Revelation", "Infinity Relativity", and "Infinity Finale".

Michael utterly stomps

Thanos wins

Michael stomps Thanos in a paste.