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Who wins?

Originally posted by byrdgang21
Who wins?

Depends on momentum, and whoever gets it first. My money's on BM for the majority.

Kyle.

In a straight up fight

Its Blue Marvel all the way

Blue Marvel probably

Kyle as the WL would destroy BM. He's on another level and possibly near trans.

BM completely stomped out Sentry who is a High Herald himself, I have no problem with Kyle winning but imo the only thing that stops people from calling BM an elite herald or better is lack of feats

He's in total control of all the emotional spectrum. He has more varied attacks and ways to take down BM than Sentry.

Kyle Rayner

BM 8/10

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Kyle Rayner

GL Kyle would be a good fight. Current would be a massacre.

Originally posted by Golgo13
GL Kyle would be a good fight. Current would be a massacre.

Since the OP did not indicate which version of Kyle this is, I'd have to completely agree with you. Kyle as a WL or Kyle using all of the rings at once is certainly well within the Low - Mid Trans grouping. As a GL Adam would smash him though.

Kyle, by way of feats.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
BM completely stomped out Sentry who is a High Herald himself, I have no problem with Kyle winning but imo the only thing that stops people from calling BM an elite herald or better is lack of feats

Yeah I agree BM needs more feats and hopefully he'll get some good ones in this upcoming avengers series.

White Lantern Kyle has done absolutely nothing to warrant a higher ranking than GL Kyle.

That said, GL Kyle has a huge history of extremely impressive feats. Moreso than BM

Kyle wins.

Yeah, GL Kyle has some pretty impressive feats

Wl Kyle is a stomp GL Kyle wins 7\10. Blue marvel is underrated needs more feats he should be the prominent black superhero

Kyle.

Ok, you WL Kyle stomp fanatics need to cite some examples. But I already know you guys won't, because you can't, because he hasn't done jack shit.

Blue Marvel wins.

Originally posted by Cogito
Ok, you WL Kyle stomp fanatics need to cite some examples. But I already know you guys won't, because you can't, because he hasn't done jack shit.

He made a Guardian shit his pants. Kyle (as a regular GL) can win on his own. Adding the power of a Red, Yellow, etc... just makes it lopsided, IMO. Plus, he can always BFR through the Indigo tribe if need be.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He made a Guardian shit his pants. Kyle (as a regular GL) can win on his own. Adding the power of a Red, Yellow, etc... just makes it lopsided, IMO. Plus, he can always BFR through the Indigo tribe if need be.

Who said anything about white lantern? BM mud stomps Kyle who you all continually overrate. BM doesn't have feats? He basically beat Sentry and King Hyperion. He's an antimatter producer and wielder.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Who said anything about white lantern? BM mud stomps Kyle who you all continually overrate. BM doesn't have feats? He basically beat Sentry and King Hyperion. He's an antimatter producer and wielder.

We use current incarnations unless the OP doesn't want to.

Originally posted by Golgo13
We use current incarnations unless the OP doesn't want to.

I understand that, butt this WL thing does not appear to be permanent, does it?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I understand that, butt this WL thing does not appear to be permanent, does it?

I believe it is. Unless Kyle gets his memories erased and forgets how to use the other emotional spectrum. That's the focus of New Guardians book. Kyle rather than the other lanterns like Indigo, Larfleeze, Saint Walker, etc... It's Kyle and it will also explore his power more.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I believe it is. Unless Kyle gets his memories erased and forgets how to use the other emotional spectrum. That's the focus of New Guardians book. Kyle rather than the other lanterns like Indigo, Larfleeze, Saint Walker, etc... It's Kyle and it will also explore his power more.

Okay, so he is more versatile. That doesn't mean he is more powerful. Is he? If not, BM still curb stomps him. You need to understand this guy is Superman with the ability to control and produce antimatter. He defeated Antiman who was walloping a powerful Avengers team. He really got the best of Sentry until he was distracted by the other Avengers who were also opposing him and he beat King Hyperion who gained power by killing Hyperions of other universes.

Wait a minute, I forget. You only vote along the lines of Marvel/DC. Nevermind....

Originally posted by Cogito
Ok, you WL Kyle stomp fanatics need to cite some examples. But I already know you guys won't, because you can't, because he hasn't done jack shit. Fight me irl, I swear I'll wreck you.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Okay, so he is more versatile. That doesn't mean he is more powerful. Is he? If not, BM still curb stomps him. You need to understand this guy is Superman with the ability to control and produce antimatter. He defeated Antiman who was walloping a powerful Avengers team. He really got the best of Sentry until he was distracted by the other Avengers who were also opposing him and he beat King Hyperion who gained power by killing Hyperions of other universes.

Wait a minute, I forget. You only vote along the lines of Marvel/DC. Nevermind....

I'd give a competent GL over a flying brick like Superman. They have too many options.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I'd give a competent GL over a flying brick like Superman. They have too many options.

Maybe you missed the part about antimatter, again. He can make blasts and strong shields which can encase opponents.

The ring makes him intangible. Problem solved. Or he burns marvels face with rage. Or he simply bfr him frim the.field.

Originally posted by Golgo13
The ring makes him intangible. Problem solved. Or he burns marvels face with rage. Or he simply bfr him frim the.field.

He likely can't use his powers when he is intangible like every other character than can go intangible. Burns his face? Did you miss the part about the antimatter shields? BM puts an antimatter bubble on his head and speed blitzes him to hell.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He likely can't use his powers when he is intangible like every other character than can go intangible. Burns his face? Did you miss the part about the antimatter shields? BM puts an antimatter bubble on his head and speed blitzes him to hell.

Atrocitus with the same power ripped a hole through time/space. I think it will do a number on his shields. Nothing BM can do if Kyle goes intangible.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Atrocitus with the same power ripped a hole through time/space. I think it will do a number on his shields. Nothing BM can do if Kyle goes intangible.

Sure, if the great White Lantern Kyle wants to play chicken indefinitely while producing no offense. Antimatter. You should look up what happens when it makes contact with matter.

Kyle tanked an antimatter wave that destroyed a whole solar system. He would laugh at blue marvel's puny antimatter attacks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kyle tanked an antimatter wave that destroyed a whole solar system. He would laugh at blue marvel's puny antimatter attacks.

Prove it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kyle tanked an antimatter wave that destroyed a whole solar system. He would laugh at blue marvel's puny antimatter attacks.

Originally posted by Golgo13


Question. What exactly would give him the power to do that? Strong emotions?

HOPE!

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Prove it.
http://i.imgur.com/545gdkr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m57aPYf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dZIroO8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u8lN4Xy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/86CDpL8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u2Cpr5D.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i.imgur.com/545gdkr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m57aPYf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dZIroO8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u8lN4Xy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/86CDpL8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u2Cpr5D.jpg

Dafuc does it say anything about an "antimatter wave?"

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i.imgur.com/545gdkr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m57aPYf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dZIroO8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u8lN4Xy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/86CDpL8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u2Cpr5D.jpg

Originally posted by Golgo13
HOPE!

HOPE is what you experienced when you co-signed with Abi. There is no antimatter wave, only a cosmic storm.

Originally posted by carver9


Wanna see a magic trick? I know this guy who can turn a cosmic storm into an antimatter wave.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
HOPE is what you experienced when you co-signed with Abi. There is no antimatter wave, only a cosmic storm.

I meant HOPE is what is going to give Kyle the win. The blue spectrum gives them the extra boost.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wanna see a magic trick? I know this guy who can turn a cosmic storm into an antimatter wave.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I meant HOPE is what is going to give Kyle the win. The blue spectrum gives them the extra boost.

I know that, but Blue Marvel will leave him and emotional wreck. Please don't act like Kyle is somehow unbeatable. He has a human body and you D. C. guys are ALWAYS talking about how Superman and his clones would power through EP wielders. Well this is Superman wielding EP against an EP wielder only. The math says BM wins.

PS- Abi doesn't have any scans of Kyler overcoming and antimatter wave. Being that you gave him the big thumbs up, do you have any scans that would prove the claims you co-signed?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Dafuc does it say anything about an "antimatter wave?"
That was an antimatter wave. GL shields have stopped antimatter blasts long before that. Kilowog's ring protected him from the antimatter wave of COIE itself. That's a post crisis showing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlanterncorps218-15ocdhorus.jpg

Even some random GL has turned himself into antimatter in a nanosecond.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Green%20Lantern/glmatterinversion.jpg

Nothing marvel can do here would make Kyle blink if we go by his feats.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I know that, but Blue Marvel will leave him and emotional wreck. Please don't act like Kyle is somehow unbeatable. He has a human body and you D. C. guys are ALWAYS talking about how Superman and his clones would power through EP wielders. Well this is Superman wielding EP against an EP wielder only. The math says BM wins.

PS- Abi doesn't have any scans of Kyler overcoming and antimatter wave. Being that you gave him the big thumbs up, do you have any scans that would prove the claims you co-signed?
Blue Marvel isn't superman. What kind of logic is that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Blue Marvel isn't superman. What kind of logic is that?

You are right, he's so much more.

Now where the hell is that antimatter wave you promised me?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was an antimatter wave. GL shields have stopped antimatter blasts long before that. Kilowog's ring protected him from the antimatter wave of COIE itself. That's a post crisis showing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlanterncorps218-15ocdhorus.jpg

Even some random GL has turned himself into antimatter in a nanosecond.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Green%20Lantern/glmatterinversion.jpg

Nothing marvel can do here would make Kyle blink if we go by his feats.

Try to pay attention. You made the claim that Kyler overcame and antimatter wave that destroyed whatever. I asked you to prove it. YOU responded by proving scans that showed him overcome a cosmic storm, not an antimatter wave. Now you are showing me some tiny scans from the 70s that I can't even read. Just admit you either lied or f'ed up and stop being arrogant.

Oh, and by the way, surviving an antimatter storm is not the same as talking on antimatter concentrated blasts. And don't tell me he would laugh them off when he didn't even laugh off the antimatter wav.....oh wait, I forget it's wasn't and antimatter wave, it was a cosmic storm.

Oh, and ONCE AGAIN, you make a claim you can't back up. The GL was damaged by the antimatter!! Know why? Because he could not "reverse the polarity of his atoms" in a nanosecond. It says that in the scans, Abi. How can you see there and lie like this? Furthermore, in the scans I see, nothing is being laughed off and a GL would NOT be laughing off BMs antimatter attacks....not that he even needs it.

LOL at BM being better than Superman. He's not even better than Power Girl.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You are right, he's so much more.

Now where the hell is that antimatter wave you promised me?
Hahaha.Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Try to pay attention. You made the claim that Kyler overcame and antimatter wave that destroyed whatever. I asked you to prove it. YOU responded by proving scans that showed him overcome a cosmic storm, not an antimatter wave. Now you are showing me some tiny scans from the 70s that I can't even read. Just admit you either lied or f'ed up and stop being arrogant.

That's an antimatter wave which had destroyed entire solar systems.



glcorps.dcuwiki.net/w/Magaan_(Magaan_Van'n_Intraktus)

I don't have the scans atm which explain it but that should be enough to shut you up. Also lulz @ adam's puny antimatter attacks being more powerful than a solar system destroying antimatter wave.

Now you're complaining about tiny scans? Hahahaha. STFU already.

Hahaha. Now I know you're just a troll.


facepalm
He couldn't turn his whole body and that's why he was damaged. He turned most of his body into antimatter and that's how he survived.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha.
That's an antimatter wave which had destroyed entire solar systems.



glcorps.dcuwiki.net/w/Magaan_(Magaan_Van'n_Intraktus)‎

I don't have the scans atm which explain it but that should be enough to shut you up. Also lulz @ adam's puny antimatter attacks being more powerful than a solar system destroying antimatter wave.

Now you're complaining about tiny scans? Hahahaha. STFU already.

So you've got NOTHING but a cosmic storm of bullshit. Thanks.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So you've got NOTHING but a cosmic storm of bullshit. Thanks.
Hahaha. Troll someone else.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha. Troll someone else.

When you make claims and then can't back them up by the content of the comic, I don't then magically turn into a troll. Name calling is no different than throwing up a white flag.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
When you make claims and then can't back them up by the content of the comic, I don't then magically turn into a troll. Name calling is no different than throwing up a white flag.
I backed them all up. Its not my fault that you can't read properly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I backed them all up. Its not my fault that you can't read properly.

Oh, I read C-O-S-M-I-C S-T-O-R-M perfectly. Live with it, or do we need a mod ruling?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Oh, I read C-O-S-M-I-C S-T-O-R-M perfectly. Live with it, or do we need a mod ruling?
It was an antimatter cosmic storm.

http://www.dcuguide.com/glcorps/profile.php?name=garlrathbone
http://greenlantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magaan

Can you read properly? I don't have the scans of it atm but they should be suffice. Every source of information says it was an antimatter storm but of course you're the only guy who's right, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was an antimatter cosmic storm.

http://www.dcuguide.com/glcorps/profile.php?name=garlrathbone
http://greenlantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magaan

Can you read properly? I don't have the scans of it atm but they should be suffice. Every source of information says it was an antimatter storm but of course you're the only guy who's right, right?

LOL!! I'm sorry, but when did some write up suffice for the actual comic? And were is the issue cited? You already showed me two scans from two different comic book eras.

Oh, and even if was the same story, the same source says he survived it by making a shield. The expression on Kyle face does not support your claim that he is capable of laughing off BM antimatter attacks. Looks like was straining with every bit of his being in fact. So I ask you, can YOU read properly??

Ever think what would happen if BM knocks him the f^ck out and then hits him with and antimatter shower?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL!! I'm sorry, but when did some write up suffice for the actual comic? And were is the issue cited? You already showed me two scans from two different comic book eras.

Oh, and even if was the same story, the same source says he survived it by making a shield. The expression on Kyle face does not support your claim that he is capable of laughing off BM antimatter attacks. Looks like was straining with every bit of his being in fact. So I ask you, can YOU read properly??

Ever think what would happen if BM knocks him the f^ck out and then hits him with and antimatter shower?
Since the actual story supports the writing.

So blue marvel can destroy solar systems with his antimatter blasts? You are riding him so hard your butt hurts at this point.

Nah, Kyle blasts him to pieces before that happens.