Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/PAN_zpse67ee56b.jpg

vs

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MORD_zps268aa276.jpg

Mordru until I see better combat feats from Pandora

Why does Pandora's coat have more buttons in the reflection?



(the chick is Pandora, right?...)

i think the reflection reveals bullet holes. look like blood flowing out lol.

i don't know too much about pandora but Mordru's the most powerful of the Lord of Chaos, i believe which are a collective of pretty powerful characters so i will go with Mordru.

the only one of the trinity of sin that there's enough feats for to properly guage is PS. too damn early to make a ruling other than Mordru stomps

Pandora has the highest of the feats though and is skilled in fighting.

The highest of feats? Definitely wouldn't say that. Mordru owned a 5d imp, after all.

Originally posted by Galan007
The highest of feats? Definitely wouldn't say that. Mordru owned a 5d imp, after all.

I'm talking about altering reality. She had help, but still above anything Mordru has done.

That was discussed in another thread... We should really wait until we get more info on that feat before we assume it's a standard level of power for Pandora in a vs. thread. To date, she certainly doesn't appear to be capable of whimsically altering reality to her whim.

Originally posted by Galan007
That was discussed in another thread... We should really wait until we get more info on that feat before we assume it's a standard level of power for Pandora in a vs. thread. To date, she certainly doesn't appear to be capable of whimsically altering reality to her whim.

Agreed. She really hasn't had any reason to alter reality again, though and from the interviews, Fawkes has stated that she's an insanely powerful character.

I'm sure she is insanely powerful(look how powerful Phantom Stranger is for crying out loud), but until she does more on panel it's really hard to gauge her.

PS nearly destroyed creation (which is an omniverse) in his fight with spectre, didn't he?

Originally posted by abhilegend
PS nearly destroyed creation (which is an omniverse) in his fight with spectre, didn't he? God alluded to the notion that a prolonged battle between Spectre and Phantom Stranger might ultimately destroy creation. The actual scuffle between them wasn't nearly as encompassing, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
God alluded to the notion that a prolonged battle between Spectre and Phantom Stranger might ultimately destroy creation. The actual scuffle between them wasn't nearly as encompassing, though.
That's still a huge push in power. It makes both Spectre and Phantom Stranger omniversal beings, doesn't it?

Not at all.

Especially since you need evidence for the Omniverse to be the scale intended. Creation/Reality etc. very often are references for the Universe. Pretty sure I've seen it even associated with planetary level.

God said, "ALL of creation." Seeing as Pandroa (W/ help of Barry) altered reality on a multiversal scale, I think it would mean more than one universe, since PS/Pandora/Spectre have huge cosmic roles.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Seeing as Pandroa (W/ help of Barry) altered reality on a multiversal scale

more than on a multiversal scale. what she merged was DC, vertigo and wildstorm, each of those are separate multiverses.

DC contains 52 universes (i trust i shouldn't post the proof because i think all people know that)

VERTIGO: it contains countless universes:

lucifer #37

http://i.imgur.com/qYnOJ1z.jpg

each mirror resembles a universe, and there are countless mirrors

http://i.imgur.com/H7UopQl.jpg

this is also confirmed when we see an alternate version of cal, lucifer #39

http://i.imgur.com/95E4goS.jpg


WILDSTORM: it contains 196833 universes, planatery #1:

http://i.imgur.com/bZt6BET.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VwmWNPj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3pan7df.jpg

^this is confirmed multiple times.

Interview confirmation that pandora merged DC, wildstorm and vertigo:

http://comicsalliance.com/faq-dc-comics-new-52/

see 7th question

so she merged 3 multiverses of course that doesn't take away from the fact that she had help.


also "all of creation" only = omniverse, if the context supports this (like in HoM wanda's case), otherwise it's generally referred to the universe or multiverse at most.

Originally posted by operator616
WILDSTORM: it contains 196833 universes, planatery #1:

http://i.imgur.com/bZt6BET.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VwmWNPj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3pan7df.jpg You might want to read the description on the 2nd page again - the number is astronomically higher. The "snowflake" exists in 196,833 space - but the actual number of alternate universes is ridiculously higher; the snowflake rotates, each of its elements rotating, and each rotation makes a number of universes equal to the number of atoms in the world (which a quick google search puts it in the 133,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0,000,000,000,000 range), with each rotation making a new earth.

Suffice to say, it becomes unfathomable.

Rage is wrong, can we all agree to that? I doubt God would refer a universe as a creation when there are several mentions of DCnU being an omniverse. This is not a small god like Odin we're talking about.Originally posted by operator616
more than on a multiversal scale. what she merged was DC, vertigo and wildstorm, each of those are separate multiverses.

DC contains 52 universes (i trust i shouldn't post the proof because i think all people know that)

VERTIGO: it contains countless universes:

lucifer #37

http://i.imgur.com/qYnOJ1z.jpg

each mirror resembles a universe, and there are countless mirrors

http://i.imgur.com/H7UopQl.jpg

this is also confirmed when we see an alternate version of cal, lucifer #39

http://i.imgur.com/95E4goS.jpg


WILDSTORM: it contains 196833 universes, planatery #1:

http://i.imgur.com/bZt6BET.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VwmWNPj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3pan7df.jpg

^this is confirmed multiple times.

Interview confirmation that pandora merged DC, wildstorm and vertigo:

http://comicsalliance.com/faq-dc-comics-new-52/

see 7th question

so she merged 3 multiverses of course that doesn't take away from the fact that she had help.


also "all of creation" only = omniverse, if the context supports this (like in HoM wanda's case), otherwise it's generally referred to the universe or multiverse at most.
DCnU has been referenced as an omniverse in several titles like Hawkman, Superman and others.

Originally posted by abhilegend

DCnU has been referenced as an omniverse in several titles like Hawkman, Superman and others.


that's irrelevant, not to mention luthor stated that he could have scattered superboy's consciousness to the farthest reaches of the omniverse.

We don't even know what the omniverse in DC means, is it multiple multiverses? probably not since DC has never even referenced multiple multiverses to my knowledge, marvel on the other hand has many references to the existence of multiple (even infinite) multiverses.

so even if you choose to believe that phantom stranger is omniversal (which he isn't, because i can give you various examples in which "all of creation" = 1 universe according to context) this doesn't mean anything as long as it doesn't have a definition.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rage is wrong, can we all agree to that? I doubt God would refer a universe as a creation when there are several mentions of DCnU being an omniverse. Well, in Phantom Stranger's solo title it was specifically noted that there are "several million" universes in existence:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16401790/1.jpg.html

...So I would think that God's "all of creation" comment(also made during Stranger's solo title) equated to millions of universes. /shrug

Originally posted by operator616
that's irrelevant, not to mention luthor stated that he could have scattered superboy's consciousness to the farthest reaches of the omniverse.

We don't even know what the omniverse in DC means, is it multiple multiverses? probably not since DC has never even referenced multiple multiverses to my knowledge, marvel on the other hand has many references to the existence of multiple (even infinite) multiverses.

so even if you choose to believe that phantom stranger is omniversal (which he isn't, because i can give you various examples in which "all of creation" = 1 universe according to context) this doesn't mean anything as long as it doesn't have a definition. Originally posted by Galan007
Well, in Phantom Stranger's solo title it was specifically noted that there are "several million" universes in existence:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16401790/1.jpg.html

...So I would think that God's "all of creation" comment(also made during Stranger's solo title) equated to millions of universes. /shrug

...........which doesn't exactly support your argument of phantom stranger being omniversal.

Originally posted by operator616
...........which doesn't exactly support your argument of phantom stranger being omniversal.
I asked a question.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, in Phantom Stranger's solo title it was specifically noted that there are "several million" universes in existence:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16401790/1.jpg.html

...So I would think that God's "all of creation" comment(also made during Stranger's solo title) equated to millions of universes. /shrug

There could still be more. Belial is merely saying that there are several million colliding around them not that that there are several million in existence.

Still, when God says they could threaten all of creation he could have meant something beyond collateral damage like the effects of the death of either PS or Spectre.

Originally posted by ares834
There could still be more. Trigon's son (forgot the name) is merely saying that there are several million colliding around them not that that there are several million in existence.

Still, when God says they could threaten all of creation he could have meant something beyond collateral damage like the effects of the death of either PS or Spectre. I agree that there is almost certainly more than "millions" of universes that comprise the entirety of DC. I just didn't comment on that possibility, because I didn't want to give the naysayers any ammo.

Could be. My only point is that I believe it is logical to assume that God was referencing more than just a singular universe with his "all of creation" comment, given some of the info(pertaining to the amount of universes in DC) that was noted in the very same series.