Who is the Ultime Brawler???

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wolverinos
i think its time we make up our mind, who is the ultimate brawler in the comics universe?
i wont make a list because maybe you guys know someone i dont know.
pick up anyone from any comics, but remember its only brawling no powers.
guys like Hulk(any version)
superman (any version)
Thor(any version) atc atc...
so lets see now who is the comics universe Ultimate Brawler!!!

Branlor Swift
Galactus and In-Betweener can throw down

wolverinos
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Galactus and In-Betweener can throw down

can you imagine galactus brawling? i think even galactus will go down to top notch brawlers if he doesnt use his powers but just a slug it out fest.

Digi
I think we'd have to give this to Hulk, because it's pretty much all he does. He's basically the upper limit on the one-trick-pony brawler archetype. Even if some others routinely brawl (Thor, for example), he has way too many powers to only be considered a brawler.

If we limit it to only brawling, then yes, some abstract wins and this thread loses meaning.

abhilegend
Validus.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by wolverinos
can you imagine galactus brawling? i think even galactus will go down to top notch brawlers if he doesnt use his powers but just a slug it out fest. yes

No

wolverinos
Originally posted by Digi
I think we'd have to give this to Hulk, because it's pretty much all he does. He's basically the upper limit on the one-trick-pony brawler archetype. Even if some others routinely brawl (Thor, for example), he has way too many powers to only be considered a brawler.

If we limit it to only brawling, then yes, some abstract wins and this thread loses meaning.

well what i meant to create was a thread only about brawling, now the thing is guys like thor that have other powers can participate as well, however its only brawling and no powers which means no amping as well.
i mean even guys like odin cant dominate this, because odin without his odin force Amp cant compete with the top notch brawlers.

wolverinos
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
yes

No

maybe i am not the ultimate source for comics, and i dont know everything there is about comics or characters.
but i do believe that guys such as Trion juggernaut, GA SBP, or WBH will preety much rape galactus hard in a brawl.
galactus without his shields and energy blasting is no all that, only physically? thing was able to put galactus on his ass.
in an only physical brawl galactus cant stand to the high caliber guys

the Darkone
Lobo, Hulk, Thor, Hercules, Validus, Superman, Orion, Kalibak, Beta Ray Bill, Juggernaut...these are the premier brawlers in comics

wolverinos
Originally posted by the Darkone
Lobo, Hulk, Thor, Hercules, Validus, Superman, Orion, Kalibak, Beta Ray Bill, Juggernaut...these are the premier brawlers in comics

yeah and there are many more and many versions of them.
however who do you think is the ultimate one? the toughest and strongest brawler of them all? you can use any version of anyone, even from different storylines, what ever you want.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by wolverinos
maybe i am not the ultimate source for comics, and i dont know everything there is about comics or characters.
but i do believe that guys such as Trion juggernaut, GA SBP, or WBH will preety much rape galactus hard in a brawl.
galactus without his shields and energy blasting is no all that, only physically? thing was able to put galactus on his ass.
in an only physical brawl galactus cant stand to the high caliber guys your first sentence was true

You should have stuck with that. Although funny how you state Galactus can't amp (because he ever amps besides when he eats...), but you only name characters who achieved their level via massive amping

Galactus tore a Celestial in half physically. None of those characters come close

wolverinos
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
your first sentence was true

You should have stuck with that. Although funny how you state Galactus can't amp (because he ever amps besides when he eats...), but you only name characters who achieved their level via massive amping

Galactus tore a Celestial in half physically. None of those characters come close

i stated galactus cant use his other powers aside opf his physical ones.

i named characters who achieved their power via amp but they dont need keep amping in order to keep it.
superboy prime got the guardian amp however that created a whole new character which is GA SBP.
that character is a character on his own and doesnt need further amping to keep himself that way.

galactus physically is strong, but if he goes up against lets say WBH he will get his sh** pushed in physically.
even if physically he is stronger than WBH hypothetically, WBH will be faster than him and WBH has more than enough strength to break his head off with his punches.
its not about who is stronger, its about who is the best brawler and who can beat everybody else in a brawl.
only physically brawling, galactus easily falls to guy such as WBH, GA Prime, Trion Juggernaut, PC Superman, Pc darkeid, PC validus, and i am sure there are more

the Darkone
Galactus is physically stronger and more powerful than WBHulk, cosmic beings are on another level physically,your saying WBH can beat being who tore a Celestial in half, but you think that Galactus cant beat WBH blink, weird?!

wolverinos
Originally posted by the Darkone
Galactus is physically stronger and more powerful than WBHulk, cosmic beings are on another level physically,your saying WBH can beat being who tore a Celestial in half, but you think that Galactus cant beat WBH blink, weird?!

as i explained there are many factors comming into this.
lets say galactus is physically stronger.
we both agree WBH can damage him? good.
we both agree WBH is faster than galactus and galactus will have some trouble hitting WBH because of his size? good.
galactus is a one huge target for WBH, i honestly see hulk busting his knee cap, galactus fall on his other knee trying to hit hulk with no success, even if he is able to hit WBH so what? hulk will be right back tearing galactus apart, blasting him with punches.
as you can see there are many factors comming into a fight, strength alone is a minor factor.

the Darkone
Originally posted by wolverinos
well what i meant to create was a thread only about brawling, now the thing is guys like thor that have other powers can participate as well, however its only brawling and no powers which means no amping as well.
i mean even guys like odin cant dominate this, because odin without his odin force Amp cant compete with the top notch brawlers.

A poison Odin one shot KO Ulik who always brawls with Thor, Odin has b***h slap Thor with the greatest of ease, when Odin amps it has to be serious fighting like Surtur who is amp or using artifactss he doesn't do it when he fights beings of Thor class tier. Zeus in teach the Avengers a lesson was rage stomping them, and nearly killed Hercules in the process and he wasn't amping. Only time we saw a sky father amping against a herald level character it was against Hulk, and Zeus was teaching him lesson/proving a point. It has to be taken in context




Sky Fathers are on anther level of power

janus77
1) Galactus isn't a physical being as such, he's more like sentient energy.

2) Galactus has absolute control over his energies and can appear whatever size/shape/density he wants.

There's no conceivable way WBH could "hurt" a healthy Galactus. The only way he could hurt Galactus at all would be with 1) Galactus being extremely hungry and weak and 2) PIS of the highest order - almost as bad as Thor's godblast hurting a hungry Galactus.

If you limit it to non-cosmics, I do think Hulk would prove the "ultimate brawler", just limitless energy, stamina, strength and a healing factor that makes him immortal.

wolverinos
Originally posted by the Darkone
A poison Odin one shot KO Ulik who always brawls with Thor, Odin has b***h slap Thor with the greatest of ease, when Odin amps it has to be serious fighting like Surtur who is amp or using artifactss he doesn't do it when he fights beings of Thor class tier. Zeus in teach the Avengers a lesson was rage stomping them, and nearly killed Hercules in the process and he wasn't amping. Only time we saw a sky father amping against a herald level character it was against Hulk, and Zeus was teaching him lesson/proving a point. It has to be taken in context




Sky Fathers are on anther level of power

base level thor is a nobody to the big guns of brawling.

as to be honest lets not forget thor putting his dady on his ass with a strike.
and if you are bringing zeus into this, lets remind she hulk and namor putting him on his ass.
skyfathers without amping themselves with their magic are not all that, they get a competition from heralds easily.
odin when fighting thanos couldnt free his trident with both his hands while thanos was holding it with only one.
and thanos is not too well known for his physical strength.

if you are even trying to imply that guys like odin or zeus can take it without amping you are deadly wrong.

the Darkone
Originally posted by wolverinos
as i explained there are many factors comming into this.
lets say galactus is physically stronger.
we both agree WBH can damage him? good.
we both agree WBH is faster than galactus and galactus will have some trouble hitting WBH because of his size? good.
galactus is a one huge target for WBH, i honestly see hulk busting his knee cap, galactus fall on his other knee trying to hit hulk with no success, even if he is able to hit WBH so what? hulk will be right back tearing galactus apart, blasting him with punches.
as you can see there are many factors comming into a fight, strength alone is a minor factor.


I wasn't agreeing with you about WBH harming Galactus have you lost your mind, and you are speculating. Last time Galactus was in brawl before the Celestial, it was against Inbetweener and they were hitting each other that they we were colliding into planets. Galactus fought Odin, and Odin had to amp and he head butted Galactus KO himself in the process while Galactus restored himself.

WBH is no where near high end sky father level low maybe in strength, that doesn't mean he can fight a being like Galactus who has tag Silver Surfer, Thor physically if he so chooses. Galactus would hit WBH so hard that he scatters WBH atoms.

wolverinos
Originally posted by janus77
1) Galactus isn't a physical being as such, he's more like sentient energy.

2) Galactus has absolute control over his energies and can appear whatever size/shape/density he wants.

There's no conceivable way WBH could "hurt" a healthy Galactus. The only way he could hurt Galactus at all would be with 1) Galactus being extremely hungry and weak and 2) PIS of the highest order - almost as bad as Thor's godblast hurting a hungry Galactus.

If you limit it to non-cosmics, I do think Hulk would prove the "ultimate brawler", just limitless energy, stamina, strength and a healing factor that makes him immortal.

you think hulk can take on GA SBP? or Trion juggernaut? or PC Superman?

the Darkone
Originally posted by wolverinos
base level thor is a nobody to the big guns of brawling.

as to be honest lets not forget thor putting his dady on his ass with a strike.
and if you are bringing zeus into this, lets remind she hulk and namor putting him on his ass.
skyfathers without amping themselves with their magic are not all that, they get a competition from heralds easily.
odin when fighting thanos couldnt free his trident with both his hands while thanos was holding it with only one.
and thanos is not too well known for his physical strength.

if you are even trying to imply that guys like odin or zeus can take it without amping you are deadly wrong.


Context and they still got their a$$ kicked by Zeus, your point is what?? Thor has put Odin on his a$$ couple times does that mean he can beat his father...hell phucking no!? If Sky father of Odin and Zeus level wants to get really serious it wont end well.


Like what Janus said:

1) Galactus isn't a physical being as such, he's more like sentient energy.

2) Galactus has absolute control over his energies and can appear whatever size/shape/density he wants.

There's no conceivable way WBH could "hurt" a healthy Galactus. The only way he could hurt Galactus at all would be with 1) Galactus being extremely hungry and weak and 2) PIS of the highest order - almost as bad as Thor's godblast hurting a hungry Galactus.

the Darkone
Originally posted by wolverinos
you think hulk can take on GA SBP? or Trion juggernaut? or PC Superman?


At their best phuck no!!

janus77
Savage Hulk already flexed Pre-C Superman into space wink

Don't know much about GA SBP, other than some dubious context-free scans.

Trion Juggernaut never did anything even remotely comparable to WBH levels. I'd say Green Scar would be able to take Trion Juggernaut.

the Darkone
Originally posted by janus77
Savage Hulk already flexed Pre-C Superman into space wink

Don't know much about GA SBP, other than some dubious context-free scans.

Trion Juggernaut never did anything even remotely comparable to WBH levels. I'd say Green Scar would be able to take Trion Juggernaut.

That wasn't PC Superman, and I said at their best. Trion Juggernaut is overhyped that I agree, but SBP and PC Superman and Pc levels no!!

Even SA Mangog and PC Validus would beat the phuck out of WBH

janus77
I think SBP without the armour would die, quickly. With the armour, not sure but don't think it would be quick either way.

I doubt anyone under Abstract, is beating "the phuck out" of WBH, even if a high-end Skyfather fought him, it would be a hard and long fight before WBH lost.

-Pr-
Hulk.

the Darkone
Originally posted by -Pr-
Hulk.

thumb up within his tier yes!! But Lobo is right there tho

dmills
Hulk or Lobo. Flip a coin.

Special nods to Namor and Black Adam.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by wolverinos
i stated galactus cant use his other powers aside opf his physical ones.

i named characters who achieved their power via amp but they dont need keep amping in order to keep it.
superboy prime got the guardian amp however that created a whole new character which is GA SBP.
that character is a character on his own and doesnt need further amping to keep himself that way.

galactus physically is strong, but if he goes up against lets say WBH he will get his sh** pushed in physically.
even if physically he is stronger than WBH hypothetically, WBH will be faster than him and WBH has more than enough strength to break his head off with his punches.
its not about who is stronger, its about who is the best brawler and who can beat everybody else in a brawl.
only physically brawling, galactus easily falls to guy such as WBH, GA Prime, Trion Juggernaut, PC Superman, Pc darkeid, PC validus, and i am sure there are more What, you really want to do this then? Alright

And Galactus doesn't need farther amping after he eats a planet. In fact, I challenge you to actually find a scan that says Galactus is amping.

Um, no. The human level speed is far below Galacta who is a fraction of Galactus' power. She also did the same thing to Wolverine who is a much faster fighter than Hulk.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/Galacta-pg-26.jpg

Then you have Galactus tagging a Surfer who really does not want to get hit:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/007-SSv375.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/008-SSv375.jpg

Catches Surfer before he can react:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/silversurferv306714ms0.jpg

WBH in no way has enough strength to break his head off... the mere fact that I have to even say that is just terrible in the first place.

Here he tanks a planet/moon being thrown at him when he isn't paying attention along with two abstract level beings in a fight that was destroying at the least the universe:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual033.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual034.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual035.jpg

Tanks a powered up Godblast:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual037.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpg

Among other feats.

But since we've neutralized Hulk's "advantages", I'll move onto strength

Like I said:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpg

Which pretty much beats anything that anyone on your list have done. For some reason I found Darkseid beating Galactus in h2h the funniest. I bet Mongul can take Galactus too...

But since the main focus seems to be on Hulk, I'll bring up something funny about that. Two WB Hulk levels being collide and destroy a couple class 100s, and the Mindless Ones. Obviously the shockwaves alone would take down Galactus, right?
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk07.jpg
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk08.jpg.html

But the problem with that is that Umar was right there tanking every shockwave. Who I shouldn't have to say isn't Galactus level, but what the hell, I'm feeling whimsical.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ThorAnnual09-31.jpg

Obviously shockwaves aren't the extent of his powers, but it's hard to put him above 'Skyfather' strength when the same thing people think puts him above it, also goes entirely against it. Plus the part where amped Fin Fang Foom was able to take both of their attacks which was even more amped than WB was.

But, GA Prime had a lot of problems with Monarch. Trion Juggs was getting dragged down by a random giant octopus. PC Superman got beaten a couple times by Mongul. I'd like to see the argument for Darkseid's strength.

Validus is the only legit one you posted. And I doubt it to say the least.

I brought up Galactus and IB as a joke. I didn't think anyone actually thought a Hulk could beat him... ugh.

dmills
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What, you really want to do this then? Alright

And Galactus doesn't need farther amping after he eats a planet. In fact, I challenge you to actually find a scan that says Galactus is amping.

Um, no. The human level speed is far below Galacta who is a fraction of Galactus' power. She also did the same thing to Wolverine who is a much faster fighter than Hulk.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/Galacta-pg-26.jpg

Then you have Galactus tagging a Surfer who really does not want to get hit:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/007-SSv375.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/008-SSv375.jpg

Catches Surfer before he can react:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/silversurferv306714ms0.jpg

WBH in no way has enough strength to break his head off... the mere fact that I have to even say that is just terrible in the first place.

Here he tanks a planet/moon being thrown at him when he isn't paying attention along with two abstract level beings in a fight that was destroying at the least the universe:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual033.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual034.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual035.jpg

Tanks a powered up Godblast:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual037.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpg

Among other feats.

But since we've neutralized Hulk's "advantages", I'll move onto strength

Like I said:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpg

Which pretty much beats anything that anyone on your list have done. For some reason I found Darkseid beating Galactus in h2h the funniest. I bet Mongul can take Galactus too...

But since the main focus seems to be on Hulk, I'll bring up something funny about that. Two WB Hulk levels being collide and destroy a couple class 100s, and the Mindless Ones. Obviously the shockwaves alone would take down Galactus, right?
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk07.jpg
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk08.jpg.html

But the problem with that is that Umar was right there tanking every shockwave. Who I shouldn't have to say isn't Galactus level, but what the hell, I'm feeling whimsical.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ThorAnnual09-31.jpg

Obviously shockwaves aren't the extent of his powers, but it's hard to put him above 'Skyfather' strength when the same thing people think puts him above it, also goes entirely against it. Plus the part where amped Fin Fang Foom was able to take both of their attacks which was even more amped than WB was.

But, GA Prime had a lot of problems with Monarch. Trion Juggs was getting dragged down by a random giant octopus. PC Superman got beaten a couple times by Mongul. I'd like to see the argument for Darkseid's strength.

Validus is the only legit one you posted. And I doubt it to say the least.

I brought up Galactus and IB as a joke. I didn't think anyone actually thought a Hulk could beat him... ugh.

LOL. I can't believe that you actually devoted time and effort (however minute) to this...

Supermex
I think Hulk got this

Supermex
Originally posted by dmills
Hulk or Lobo. Flip a coin.

Special nods to Namor and Black Adam.




All are baddass picks

Zack Fair
Originally posted by wolverinos
i think its time we make up our mind, who is the ultimate brawler in the comics universe?
i wont make a list because maybe you guys know someone i dont know.
pick up anyone from any comics, but remember its only brawling no powers.
guys like Hulk(any version)
superman (any version)
Thor(any version) atc atc...
so lets see now who is the comics universe Ultimate Brawler!!!

Superman and Hulk.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by dmills
LOL. I can't believe that you actually devoted time and effort (however minute) to this... Meh. The only thing I had to look for was the Umar/Thor scan.

LordofBrooklyn
Validus!

You know I'm right.

BullwinkleMoose
Omega

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by BullwinkleMoose
Omega

Omega fears Validus!

wolverinos
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What, you really want to do this then? Alright

And Galactus doesn't need farther amping after he eats a planet. In fact, I challenge you to actually find a scan that says Galactus is amping.

Um, no. The human level speed is far below Galacta who is a fraction of Galactus' power. She also did the same thing to Wolverine who is a much faster fighter than Hulk.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/Galacta-pg-26.jpg

Then you have Galactus tagging a Surfer who really does not want to get hit:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/007-SSv375.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/008-SSv375.jpg

Catches Surfer before he can react:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/silversurferv306714ms0.jpg

WBH in no way has enough strength to break his head off... the mere fact that I have to even say that is just terrible in the first place.

Here he tanks a planet/moon being thrown at him when he isn't paying attention along with two abstract level beings in a fight that was destroying at the least the universe:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual033.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual034.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual035.jpg

Tanks a powered up Godblast:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual037.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpg

Among other feats.

But since we've neutralized Hulk's "advantages", I'll move onto strength

Like I said:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpg

Which pretty much beats anything that anyone on your list have done. For some reason I found Darkseid beating Galactus in h2h the funniest. I bet Mongul can take Galactus too...

But since the main focus seems to be on Hulk, I'll bring up something funny about that. Two WB Hulk levels being collide and destroy a couple class 100s, and the Mindless Ones. Obviously the shockwaves alone would take down Galactus, right?
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk07.jpg
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk08.jpg.html

But the problem with that is that Umar was right there tanking every shockwave. Who I shouldn't have to say isn't Galactus level, but what the hell, I'm feeling whimsical.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ThorAnnual09-31.jpg

Obviously shockwaves aren't the extent of his powers, but it's hard to put him above 'Skyfather' strength when the same thing people think puts him above it, also goes entirely against it. Plus the part where amped Fin Fang Foom was able to take both of their attacks which was even more amped than WB was.

But, GA Prime had a lot of problems with Monarch. Trion Juggs was getting dragged down by a random giant octopus. PC Superman got beaten a couple times by Mongul. I'd like to see the argument for Darkseid's strength.

Validus is the only legit one you posted. And I doubt it to say the least.

I brought up Galactus and IB as a joke. I didn't think anyone actually thought a Hulk could beat him... ugh.

reading comprehension? i never said galactus amp himself, i said he cant use his powers aside of his physical ones and he cant amp them.
this means galactus on average not after he is well feed, galactus after well feed is the same galactus only amped, because eating a planet amps him, therefor its an amp.

human level speed is faaarrrr below suprboy prime, superman, black adam, even hulk... so whats you point?

sorry it doesnt work that way, you bring me some chick that has some degree of galactus powers and then you claim everything she does is <<<<< galactus because of that fact? wtf? wolverine has 0.000001% of galactus power, that means that galactus is 10000000% faster than him? not a bright logic.

galactus being able to tag surfer who was physically very close to him and wasnt moving is not impressive.
on average when ever the f4 or others fought galactus he couldnt tag them and was a giant slow poke to them, of course he was able to suprisingly tag surfer with that huge hand while being extremely close to him and surfer was standing still Lol.

thats only a speculation from your side.
WBH came to such power levels an impact of his punches destroyed a dimension, planet, and herald level beings.
galactus was put on his ass by thing and zeus so...
you like to speculate galactus cant be hurt by those punches? i will argue he will.

getting a moon thrown at him <<<< hulks punch that can destroy planets, dimensions, and heralds with only the shockwaves of the impact.

godblast? how strong is a godblast anyway? the godblast comes with different levels of power, once it gets shrugged and laghed at by juggernaut, other time it hurts a hungry galactus.
the goblast cant be a real factor because its not steady.

as i explained again galactus tearing a celestial in half shows a good amount of physical power, does it mean he is fast enough to tag guys like GA SBP? ANY version of superman? even hulk? i doubt that.
does his physical strength means those guys cant physically hurt him? doubt that.

so Umar tanked shockwaves comming from a good distance of hulks punch? that means she can tank his punch? and where is the feats that show us a comparison between her own durability and galactus? i am not bying this "galactus is more powerful so he is by far more durable", remember galactus is using his shields and energies to amp his durability, strength, speed, anything he wants.
but at base level with no amping it doesnt work that way.

GA SBP didnt have problems with monarch, monarch at that point was > average galactus with no amping abilities.
and sbp without the guardian amp took a universal blast so...

Trion juggernaut with a single punch broke thru several dimensions so that tells us a lot about his punching power.

all the PC characters were not stable, but their high end feats are loonitic crazy.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by wolverinos
Lots of stuff I don't agree with

So you're of the opinion that we should be using Hulk, Prime, and Trion Juggernaut, who are severely amped, but we should use Galactus when he is literally weaker?
How does that make any sense to you?

Galactus isn't amped when he eats, that's ridiculous. Galactus is operating at his normal or full power when he eats. Per forum rules even, which I'm guessing you've been on the receiving end a couple times of those pesky rules...
But what you're saying is so illogical and nonsensical that there's no way you could expect anyone to follow you.

"Hulk should be amped, but Galactus being fed counts as an amp so he can't eat"

Like I said and you ignored, Wolverine's speed however isn't. Well to Hulk anyway. If she can perceive Wolverine in a way that he's a statue, then Hulk isn't moving much faster.

Well yeah, Galactus is that much faster than Wolverine... but anyway...
She is Galactus' daughter. Everything she did in that series she said she only could do at a fraction of Galactus' power.
And you ignored the part where she stated "Human cognitive level clockspeed", and "Their grindingly slow timescale". Unless you think Galacta operates in a higher timescale than her father who is way more powerful than her.

And you ignored the section where Surfer was moving. Galactus tagged him while Surfer was actively trying to get out of the way of him. I can see why you'd ignore this because well... it destroys everything you said.

As for the second part. Galactus hit Surfer before Surfer could react or do anything. Who I shouldn't have to say is much faster than Hulk.

And Hulk will just be jumping in one direction at far slower speeds than Surfer anyway. Something like this:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/SecretWars09-20.jpg

You'll notice that Hulk was way too fast for Galactus there.

And have you ever actually seen the Galactus/F4 fights? Here's some funny ones with Torch who I presume is the one he has problems with:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-05.jpg

(Surfer)
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_04.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_11.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_21.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_22.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/fantasticfour51919zt4.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/fantasticfour51920oa7.jpg
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Heralds/fantasticfour51921nk9.jpg.html

It's mere speculation that WBH can't break Galactus' head off on my part? OK. I only just showed Galactus taking shots from two abstract level beings in a fight that Oblivion thought was going to end everything that the Chaos King couldn't.

He has never been hurt by Thing. He's only been dragged down by him. And he took two punches from Zeus before a Thunderbolt, and he took those two punches way better than Hulk did.
But of course, Galactus was weak everytime he's ever fought Thing, and he was weak when he fought Zeus too. By weak, I mean he didn't eat. As well as Chaos King was amping Zeus and CK's entire army was in Zeus at the time.

And WBH did not in any way destroy a dimension. Stop lying. And none of the characters he destroyed were herald level.

Like I said, the moon bounced off him to no effect. Although I'd like to see Hulk simply tank a moon being thrown at him by an abstract level being.

It can't be a factor because it's not steady? You mean like... PC characters?
But the Juggernaut feat was its lowest feat, and that was at a time when Thor would experience a sickness that made him weaker although he still stopped Juggernaut... Other than that, it took down a hungry Galactus, blew through Exitar's inner shell which was more durable than his outer, and blew through Zelia who was empowered by Odin and all of the Dark Gods, and she on her own was Odin level.
And the one he fired against Galactus like I said, was an amped one. Which weaker ones have been proven to be far above Hulk's damage output... unless you believe WBH can rip through a being with Odin's level of power, Odin's actual power, and an entire race of Dark Gods inside her. Which you probably do, so stupid question on my part.

What I find funny is that you think Galactus can tear a Celestial in half, yet you think WBH should be able to punch his head off. What kind of logical conclusion is that?
Considering I just showed him tanking a Godblast along with him also tanking two abstracts...
I mean, I could also show the In-Betweener fight I guess where he shows immense durability...
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/library/Fights/In-Betweener?sort=6&page=1

But really, you think he's just a glass canon who can rip Celestials in half but get his head torn off by Hulk. So what's the point?

I realize she did this from a "safe" distance, but considering Hulk's shockwaves are the thing that's always brought up (even by you in this exact post), it seems like a neat thing to bring up. Also lol at you for thinking he destroyed a dimension, but Umar was at a safe distance. She was on the planet.

But I just showed you Galactus taking a Godblast while Umar collapses from a hammer hit. Do you not figure there's a correlation there? Here, let's go with the exact same thing then. Here Galactus tanks a hammer hit to the face:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual036.jpg

There you go with the amping shit again. Here is two at ends points in the very same post:
Originally posted by wolverinos
reading comprehension? i never said galactus amp himself, i said he cant use his powers aside of his physical ones and he cant amp them.

...

remember galactus is using his shields and energies to amp his durability, strength, speed, anything he wants.
but at base level with no amping it doesnt work that way.

Reading comprehension indeed. But anyway, like I said before. I challenge you to find a scan that says Galactus is amping himself.

Originally posted by wolverinos
GA SBP didnt have problems with monarch, monarch at that point was > average galactus with no amping abilities.
and sbp without the guardian amp took a universal blast so...

Trion juggernaut with a single punch broke thru several dimensions so that tells us a lot about his punching power.

all the PC characters were not stable, but their high end feats are loonitic crazy. He sure as the hell did have problems with Monarch. He was losing that fight until he ripped his armor open.
And Monarch was not over average Galactus either. Although I think your version of average Galactus is weakened Galactus... so I should probably ignore that because that's plain nonsensical. Especially when I brought up Galactus and I wasn't using some weakened version. Plus everything else.

The blast was a big chain reaction with no real feats of destroying anything, or anyone important. Hell, it didn't even destroy the actual universe, or even the planet the fight happened on apparently...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996626/Countdown13p02.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996542/Superman_Beyond_01_Page_017.jpg.html

And SBP without the Guardian Amp got knocked out by the Teen Titants. And even the Thor level Hyperion took two actual universes blowing up entirely.
Because it's a good thing you brought up Thing "beating up" Galactus isn't it. smile

And he was getting wrestled down by a giant octopus.
But didn't Red She Hulk punch through dimensions in Fall of Hulks? Thor and Herc collapsed a dimensional portal by punching each other as well.
Besides, Galactus just ripped a dimensional tear from 616 to Ultimate wide open.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Hunger001-015.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Hunger001-016.jpg

Well you sure convinced me with those sexy facts about the PC Verse. I guess I just can't deny how balls off the walls they are.

the Darkone
Complete own age by Branlor Swift!

the Darkone
Originally posted by the Darkone
Complete own age by Branlor Swift!
It's been stated that Galactus move at light speed under his own power, just saying

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