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The Leaguer or the Avenger?

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vs

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MM_zpsd11ac5a9.jpg

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How strong is this hyperions heat vision?

Not that he will know his weakness but its a goto tactic so eventually he will use it and see the Martian lose his shit and pour it on.

Hyperion whoops ass

Originally posted by SevenShackles
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How strong is this hyperions heat vision?

Not that he will know his weakness but its a goto tactic so eventually he will use it and see the Martian lose his shit and pour it on.

Intangibility will come in handy.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Intangibility will come in handy.
How exactly does his intangibility work with fire? I can't remember him using it to avoid fire or high heat attacks, he just gets hit. My memory is majorly iffy on this so I'd appreciate any info you have. (Something I usually wonder about when I read MM)

Originally posted by Golgo13
Intangibility will come in handy.

One of the most staunch Superman propagandists said that his heat vision can hurt intangible characters. True or untrue?

Originally posted by SevenShackles
How exactly does his intangibility work with fire? I can't remember him using it to avoid fire or high heat attacks, he just gets hit. My memory is majorly iffy on this so I'd appreciate any info you have. (Something I usually wonder about when I read MM)

Fire is a psychological thing. He's resisted fire before. But this is DCnU MM we're talking about. Didn't he just get out of fire last issue?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
One of the most staunch Superman propagandists said that his heat vision can hurt intangible characters. True or untrue?

I hate Superman sometimes. He shouldn't have, because MM shifts his body into another dimension. MM should own Superman more times than not, but he doesn't. Unless he goes Fernus mode.

Tp wins it.

Hyperion is too much.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
One of the most staunch Superman propagandists said that his heat vision can hurt intangible characters. True or untrue?
Hyperion isn't superman and he has no showings of affecting intangible beings. Also your hate is amusing.

Originally posted by carver9
Hyperion is too much.

What are his best TP resisting feats?

Originally posted by Golgo13
What are his best TP resisting feats?
None really.

Closest thing was the Carrion virus taking over Hyperion.. It wasn't really a tp situation.

J'onn wins.

J'onn cleans up.
barry also looks p!ssed off in the MM pic

MM wins through TP

without proof of hype's ability to resist tp, we can't just say he WOULD do so against a tp the level of jonn. pretty sure hype would be a mewling, frothing puddle if jonn wanted him to be....

Originally posted by leonidas
without proof of hype's ability to resist tp, we can't just say he WOULD do so against a tp the level of jonn. pretty sure hype would be a mewling, frothing puddle if jonn wanted him to be....
Pretty much.

Even if this was N52 J'onn, he should still be able to take a majority by using tp.

He's already built a small, but impressive showing of tp feats.

Tbh imtangibility wont work to defend against heat vision, it may be a physical attack but its still heating up the air on the sub atomic level, so if it goes through MM its gonna burn him up big time

Most Avengers have tp shielding or shield scrubbers, but I will concede this point for now.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Most Avengers have tp shielding or shield scrubbers, but I will concede this point for now.
Wut do u mean? Like an Avengers issue equipment we're talking bout here?

Originally posted by carver9
Hyperion is too much.

MM has intangibility and TP
Both can prove incredible useful.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Tbh imtangibility wont work to defend against heat vision, it may be a physical attack but its still heating up the air on the sub atomic level, so if it goes through MM its gonna burn him up big time

And why doesn't a knife or sharp weapon cut MM when he is intangible?
Or why can MM walk through walls and stuff?
That's because while intangible, nothing can causate with him.

Originally posted by h1a8
And why doesn't a knife or sharp weapon cut MM when he is intangible?
Or why can MM walk through walls and stuff?
That's because while intangible, nothing can causate with him.
Only have one question..

What is "causate"?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Only have one question..

What is "causate"?

Shame on you celey.

uhuh

Originally posted by h1a8
And why doesn't a knife or sharp weapon cut MM when he is intangible?
Or why can MM walk through walls and stuff?
That's because while intangible, nothing can causate with him. try stabbing someone on a sub atomic level, because he can pass through the gaps between the walls molecular structure, he'll get burnt up big time, but he will still win

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shame on you celey.

uhuh
It was an honest question.

I'm too lazy to search it..

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wut do u mean? Like an Avengers issue equipment we're talking bout here?
Shield scrubbers are equipment

Tp shields are mental blocks put in by telepaths as part of Avengers training

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Only have one question..

What is "causate"?

Don't feel bad its Latin, and he used it wrong

Casate refers to probability not the act of interaction.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Shield scrubbers are equipment

Tp shields are mental blocks put in by telepaths as part of Avengers training similar to magneto's helmet

Kinda

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Shield scrubbers are equipment
TP shields are mental blocks put in by telepaths as part of Avengers training
Really? News to me. Pretty shoddy training seeing as Avengers members get tp'd just like anybody else who don't have the power set to defend from them.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Don't feel bad its Latin, and he used it wrong

Casate refers to probability not the act of interaction.
Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Only have one question..

What is "causate"?


It is italian. It is the verb tense of causation (a noun that means the act of causing as in 'cause and effect').

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
try stabbing someone on a sub atomic level, because he can pass through the gaps between the walls molecular structure, he'll get burnt up big time, but he will still win His intangibility doesn't necessarily work that way. It's possible he can simply be phased out of the dimension or in a quantum state of flux. Nonetheless, we go by proof and evidence, not speculation.

HV was shown to not touch him in phased form before in comics.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is italian. It is the verb tense of causation (a noun that means the act of causing as in 'cause and effect').

His intangibility doesn't necessarily work that way. It's possible he can simply be phased out of the dimension or in a quantum state of flux. Nonetheless, we go by proof and evidence, not speculation.

HV was shown to not touch him in phased form before in comics. yes we go by proof and evidence, yet you say 'its possible' show me evidence of j'onn phasing to another dimension or quantum state of flux, and show me proof of it not affecting him while he is intangible

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
yes we go by proof and evidence, yet you say 'its possible' show me evidence of j'onn phasing to another dimension or quantum state of flux, and show me proof of it not affecting him while he is intangible

Im not claiming that is the way Jonn's ability works. I said it is a possible explanation. So what's to prove?

Ask Abhi, or Galan, or Philo. They should have scans showing HV going right through Jonn. The reason why I know this is because I was arguing against Jonn with your very same argument (lol) but I used the evidence of the Jonn Preus Fight. I was told and shown that MM has phased through HV. So I conceded the point..

Hm, tbh until i see scans i stand by what i say, and then ill believe it

There's a reasonable amount of trust we need for some of these debates. Some feats are common knowledge. Some you know firsthand. Others have been posted on the forums.

It's rarely in a member's interest to lie about the existence of a feat. They might interpret it differently, sure, but something like "I've seen J'onn phase through HV" is pretty closed to debate. Either he did or didn't.

If you want a scan any time anyone says anything, you're going to have a hard time. Some things can be taken at a person's word.

We saw John phase through Superboy Prime's heat vision:
http://brad-ricca.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1381879-scan00236ny_super.jpg

Originally posted by Digi
There's a reasonable amount of trust we need for some of these debates. Some feats are common knowledge. Some you know firsthand. Others have been posted on the forums.

It's rarely in a member's interest to lie about the existence of a feat. They might interpret it differently, sure, but something like "I've seen J'onn phase through HV" is pretty closed to debate. Either he did or didn't.

If you want a scan any time anyone says anything, you're going to have a hard time. Some things can be taken at a person's word. no, i do believe you, i would just like to see the scans is all

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
no, i do believe you...
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Hm, tbh until i see scans i stand by what i say, and then ill believe it



It kinds hurts your argument when I don't even have to scroll up to see you contradict yourself.

Is DCnu MM going to go intangible & using his TP at the same time?

Originally posted by Digi


It kinds hurts your argument when I don't even have to scroll up to see you contradict yourself. lol i do believe you lets just leave it at that

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
lol i do believe you lets just leave it at that

Don't know if this would work on this Hyperion but Vision once defeated the original Hyperion by phasing his hand into Hyperion's chest.

DCnU MM is not really defined yet. Marvel Now! Hyperion is not really defined yet. Let's come back to this thread in a few years shall we?