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Since we're obsessed with "the B team", for some reason, I was going to have them fight Revan and co, but...overuse, ya know? Gosh, I'm tired.

A no bullshit battle. The following Jedi assemble a last chance strike team to thwart a sith galactic takeover.

--FotJ Luke Skywalker, duel wielding lightsabers, in the same mental state as he is when Ben describes him as fighting harder than he's ever seen him fight (ie., battles vs. Abeloth), or when he was facing the Vong in TUF, or when he was facing Unuthul...you get the picture.
--"in teh zone" RotS Anakin
--A redeemed Jacen/Caedus
--RotS Yoda
--Satele Shan (prime)
--Galen Marek
--Revan
--Kyp Durron

vs.

--The entire Dark Council at the beginning of TOR
--Lord Scourge
--Darth Nyriss
--Darth Malgus
--The Sith Emperor (no mental games)
--Tulak Hord
--RoT Bane
--RotS Sidious

The battle takes place in the Senate Rotunda. The Jedi arrive where Yoda confronted Palpatine, but the sith are already dispersed along the top of the chamber in senate pods. They are expecting the attack, but neither side has had prep time beyond basic tactical planning.

Who wins in this epic battle to the death?

Read the rules. 3 vs 3 battles max is allowed.

Light side 7/10

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Read the rules. 3 vs 3 battles max is allowed.
Indeed.

Team TOR. Not easily, but adding the entire Dark Council was a bit much. The fight is something like 19 vs 8 in their favor in terms of numbers.

^^^

Agreed.

Also, Nyriss was a member of the Dark Council in her time.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
^^^

Agreed.

Also, Nyriss was a member of the Dark Council in her time.

Right, but not during TOR.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Team TOR. Not easily, but adding the entire Dark Council was a bit much. The fight is something like 19 vs 8 in their favor in terms of numbers.

Playing devil's advocate, you could argue that most of the Jedi team can take at least two of the weaker members of the sith team on at the same time...

Yeah, but you also have Sidious, Bane, Vitiate, Malgus and Tulak Hord there, who are a good fight for any of team 1. The Jedi are ridiculously outgunned.

Luke, Yoda and Anakin could take out the Council in mere minutes. It depends on what the other Sith Lords do but they aren't the types to stick their necks out for weaker members.

Just...NO

The Sith have a lot of fodder sure, but they still have some heavy hitters. The teams are fairly even and there are just too many characters for me to make a proper judgement.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Team TOR. Not easily, but adding the entire Dark Council was a bit much. The fight is something like 19 vs 8 in their favor in terms of numbers.

Agreed buddy.

Originally posted by Based
Luke, Yoda and Anakin could take out the Council in mere minutes. It depends on what the other Sith Lords do but they aren't the types to stick their necks out for weaker members.

Even those 3 would have trouble against 12 highly powerful Sith Lords. Those are 4 on 1 fights. And while they do that their allies get massacred even faster.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Even those 3 would have trouble against 12 highly powerful Sith Lords.

Would they? Some of the dark council members are legit; others are chumps. Do you imagine an "in teh zone" legacy era Luke struggling against four random council-level sith?

Yeah.

Does Luke have morals in this or no?

Originally posted by Master Han
Would they? Some of the dark council members are legit; others are chumps. Do you imagine an "in teh zone" legacy era Luke struggling against four random council-level sith?

Nah. We already know what happens when a very top tier takes on a few upper middle tiers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah.

We see how well Windu's posse does against Palpatine. Is it now that you're going to claim that TOR has retconned Lucas's whole "golden age of the Jedi" speech?

No, I just don't think Luke is that kind of a dominating combatant. He's never really been portrayed as one imo.

Originally posted by Master Han
We see how well Windu's posse does against Palpatine. Is it now that you're going to claim that TOR has retconned Lucas's whole "golden age of the Jedi" speech?

Agreed. PT Era>All but maybe NJO no clue about NJO.

Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Agreed. PT Era>All but maybe NJO no clue about NJO.

Yoda's Jedi would definitely have a considerable advantage over Luke's in terms of numbers, education, formal training and technique.

Luke's Jedi probably have an advantage of flexibility of mind and function, not to mention a more diverse worldview due to their interactions with other Force cults.

Also, no Sidious ****ing with their ability to use the Force and without the Force being tipped to the darkside.

That too.

lol coudn't Sid just use a wormhole while the dark council act as cannon fodder?

And the Jedi could just cut him off.

I'm not as well versed in the star wars lore as many, but how long would cutting him off take? because if they lose focus on the battle, some of the other sith may kill them

Originally posted by Master Han
We see how well Windu's posse does against Palpatine. Is it now that you're going to claim that TOR has retconned Lucas's whole "golden age of the Jedi" speech?

Agree there's nothing suggesting that Luke is going to struggle against random Sith Lords just because of numbers when someone in his tier casually murdered 3 Masters easily. And that's someone who's not in constant practice of his abilities unlike Luke.. If you outskill anyone in Star Wars but a good amount you get stomped in minutes.

That also means all C-canon material doesn't exist at all.
So the remaining characters involved becomes a 3 vs 1.
RotJ Luke + RotS Anakin + RotS Yoda vs RotS Palpatine

Team 1 wins by sheer numbers.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Excuse me?

Dark Council members are not fodder material.


Against Palpatine, upper tier council-level Masters lasted a matter of mere seconds. Against an in-teh-zone Legacy era Luke, or Yoda, I don't imagine the dark council members doing very well either.

Your opinion that TOR duelists > RotS duelists is overriden not only by Lucas and Gillard, but also by a variety of statements throughout the RotS novelization that make it clear that there exists a ridiculously large concentration of prodigious Jedi, with Yoda explicitly being the most powerful light sider to ever live up to his time.

And canon debates aside, Lucas's personal view that the EU is a parallel universe is overridden by his official, company stance that the EU exists as a part of canon or "official" material. This is clarified by Leland Chee in one of his statements. In comparison, Lucas is referring specifically to lightsaber dueling when he refers to the Jedi being in their prime. Basically, unless if you can provide a massive quantity of evidence to override both various narrator statements and out of universe fiats, the PT era Jedi are in their combative prime.

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Hence why I gave the sith the advantage in numbers and tactical position. I put together some of the most powerful Jedi in the mythos, and an in-teh-zone Luke that has shit over Abeloth's face before.

if lord vitiate slew 9 dark council members with seeming ease, who isnt as strong as palpatine, who's half as strong as luke, who's to say that luke can't handle 3-4 dark council members in a minute or 2, arguably less?

A dark sider is draining Abeloth while Luke is keeping her from killing them both. Her other avatars are dying elsewhere in the galaxy. This also makes her powers go down a notch.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Excuse me?

Dark Council members are not fodder material.



What's you point? Neither is the Jedi Council yet Malgus killed Ven Zallow with ease. And guys like Luke, Yoda and Anakin are outclass Malgus too.

Originally posted by Based
What's you point? Neither is the Jedi Council yet Malgus killed Ven Zallow with ease.

To be fair, he hardly kills the Jedi Master with "ease".

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
if lord vitiate slew 9 dark council members with seeming ease,
Did he kill them in direct combat? If so, it's some pretty sick feat for lord Vitiate right there