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Pure slugfest. Preboot versions of characters.

a) Normal versions.

b) All out Superman (OWAW) VS All out Wonder Woman & All out Martian Manhunter.

Who wins?

J'onn would destroy him, diana isnt needed
curbstomp on clark

lol no.

That said, I don't see Superman winning a majority.

J'onn is going to destroy superman in a slugfest? Hahahaha. Best joke I heard all day long.

You need to define an all out Wonder Woman/J'onn, please.

Oh a slugfest? Sorry didnt see that, its not a curbstomp, but the team take the majority

Team

Originally posted by -Pr-
You need to define an all out Wonder Woman/J'onn, please.
The only time I recall of an all out wonder woman was against Bizarro where she was using her whole strength to hold him back and couldn't. An all out J'onn is a myth most probably.

What was the Bizarro instance? And please, don't say Trinity.

So not fernus, then.

Originally posted by -Pr-
What was the Bizarro instance? And please, don't say Trinity.

So not fernus, then.
In trinity, yes.

Fernus isn't j'onn. He is a separate entity which was stated several times. Fernus wasn't so great strength wise either way. All he did was telepathy, J'onn was manhandling him at the end.

Guess we disagree on both those points, or at least the interpretation/validity of them.

Has Trinity been referenced somewhere as being canon?
Or maybe at least a character in continuity referring to those events?

As for the thread... Prolly all out Supes edges the team.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guess we disagree on both those points, or at least the interpretation/validity of them.
About Fernus and J'onn? There is no different interpretation, they are two separate beings. Here Monitou reveals Fernus and J'onn are two different souls

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16476218_JLA88-09.jpg

Fernus reveals to J'onn that he doesn't has the ability to draw power from fire after he was separate from his body.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16476176_JLA_89_pg15.JPG

And then Superman seals the deal when he says J'onn and Fernus are two genetically unique beings.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16476198_JLA_89_pg21.JPG

Fernus was born out of J'onn, he wasn't J'onn however. Just like say Carnage and Venom.

Team wins.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Has Trinity been referenced somewhere as being canon?
Or maybe at least a character in continuity referring to those events?

As for the thread... Prolly all out Supes edges the team.
It has referenced several continuity elements. Going by that route a lot of minis would be considered non canon which retcon previously mentioned continuity elements like Superman/Shazam: First Thunder and all that shit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
About Fernus and J'onn? There is no different interpretation, they are two separate beings. Here Monitou reveals Fernus and J'onn are two different souls

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16476218_JLA88-09.jpg

Fernus reveals to J'onn that he doesn't has the ability to draw power from fire after he was separate from his body.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16476176_JLA_89_pg15.JPG

And then Superman seals the deal when he says J'onn and Fernus are two genetically unique beings.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16476198_JLA_89_pg21.JPG

Fernus was born out of J'onn, he wasn't J'onn however. Just like say Carnage and Venom.

Not so much what I was talking about.

Just because you and I know Fernus isn't J'onn, doesn't mean everyone else does, hence me asking you to be clearer.

Also, to me Trinity isn't canon, but that's beside the point.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not so much what I was talking about.

Just because you and I know Fernus isn't J'onn, doesn't mean everyone else does, hence me asking you to be clearer.

Also, to me Trinity isn't canon, but that's beside the point.
That's because Bruce kissed Diana, isn't it? She has referenced that Bruce kissed her on the paradise island later.

~hasom~

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's because Bruce kissed Diana, isn't it? She has referenced that Bruce kissed her on the paradise island later.

~hasom~



I don't think there's a woman in DC that Bruce HASN'T kissed.

God only knows what he and Lois used to get up to...

Originally posted by -Pr-


I don't think there's a woman in DC that Bruce HASN'T kissed.

God only knows what he and Lois used to get up to...
Yeah, there is one. His mom.

Lois never kissed Bruce.

I know why you say this is non canon.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16476578_BSWWTrinity-003-06.jpg

Not the best first impression, I might say.

Hey, that scene there would be one of my reasons for wanting it to be canon, if anything.

A) Team
B) Superman

Team in both. ABHI must have some scans he wants to post.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hey, that scene there would be one of my reasons for wanting it to be canon, if anything.
I know that too.

Originally posted by carver9
Team in both. ABHI must have some scans he wants to post.
Lulz.

Oh.. Didn't notice 2 scenarios.

Team
Supes

Originally posted by abhilegend
I know that too.

Think about it: She slaps Bruce but gets wet at the sight of Superman.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Think about it: She slaps Bruce but gets wet at the sight of Superman.
Nah, that was Artemis. Diana was too busy feeling bat-muscles.

ha-som

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, that was Artemis. Diana was too busy feeling bat-muscles.

ha-som



You want me to make a mod ruling, do you?

Originally posted by -Pr-


You want me to make a mod ruling, do you?
You want me to post Blackest Night: Wonder Woman here?

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
J'onn would destroy him, diana isnt needed
curbstomp on clark crylaugh

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, there is one. His mom.

Lois never kissed Bruce.

I know why you say this is non canon.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16476578_BSWWTrinity-003-06.jpg

Not the best first impression, I might say. LoL

Superman isn't any better than Bruce y'know.

Artemis got wet at the sight of Supes?

Post it.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Artemis got wet at the sight of Supes?

Post it.
She might as well have been. She was fourteen BTW.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You want me to post Blackest Night: Wonder Woman here?

Please; we all know that was a piece of shit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She might as well have been. She was fourteen BTW.

lol, faster than speeding consent.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She might as well have been. She was fourteen BTW. What did she say?

Team in both.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Please; we all know that was a piece of shit.



lol, faster than speeding consent.
We both know you loved it.

uhuhOriginally posted by Zack Fair
What did she say?
Check it out for yourself.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16477220_BSWWTrinity-003-53.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16477221_BSWWTrinity-003-54.jpgOriginally posted by TheGodKiller
Team in both.
Why? Superman has overpowered J'onn amped by blackrock along with power girl.

Wonder Woman with all her strength couldn't restrain Bizarro's one arm. J'onn amped on blackrock along with nearly every alien on earth couldn't restrain Superman for ten minutes.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004712_supesvseveryone.JPG http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004723_supesvseveryone2.JPG http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004724_supesvseveryone3.JPG

How much Blackrock amps someone? It amps a normal human to the point that superman hurts his hand punching him

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16004648/blackrock1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16004649/blackrock2.jpg.html

Or allows Batman to go toe to toe with superman

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004650_blackrockbats.JPG http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004672_blackrockbats2.JPG http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004679_blackrockbats3.JPG http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004682_blackrockbats4.JPG http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004683_blackrockbats5.JPG http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004684_blackrockbats6.JPG http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16004688_blackrockbats7.JPG

Suffice to say Superman>These two chumps.

Gonna be closing this soon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We both know you loved it.

uhuh
Check it out for yourself.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16477220_BSWWTrinity-003-53.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16477221_BSWWTrinity-003-54.jpg
Why? Superman has overpowered J'onn amped by blackrock along with power girl.

I forgot what happened during the Bizzaro scene. Do you have the rest of that ABHI?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Gonna be closing this soon.
You are just angry that I didn't post BN: WW, aren't you? Also its a fun fight, why would you close it?Originally posted by carver9
I forgot what happened during the Bizzaro scene. Do you have the rest of that ABHI?
That's a different fight. Superman then blitzed Bizarro and knocked him out.

Because we really don't need another scan-heavy Superman respect thread, is why.

Wonder Woman has faced down this so-called all out superman and was holding back. Team wins in both.

Shut up.

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1. Team
2. OWAW Superman destroys.

Originally posted by JBL
Wonder Woman has faced down this so-called all out superman and was holding back. Team wins in both.

No she didn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No she didn't. Superman was bloodlusted while facing WW thinking she was Doomsday.

He was also mentally compromised. That by default means he can't be taken as being fighting to the best of his ability.

It's not the same as OWAW. Not even remotely.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was also mentally compromised. That by default means he can't be taken as being fighting to the best of his ability.

It's not the same as OWAW. Not even remotely.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was also mentally compromised. That by default means he can't be taken as being fighting to the best of his ability.

It's not the same as OWAW. Not even remotely.

Nitpicking, but I don't think going all at is necessarily the same thing as fighting to the best of one's ability. It depends on the context in which the expression is used.

That being said, I agree that those two versions of Superman are not the same. And I agree with you 110% on everything you said about Trinity and Blackest Night: WW!

Also, Batman needs to get punched more. A lot more.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was also mentally compromised. That by default means he can't be taken as being fighting to the best of his ability.

It's not the same as OWAW. Not even remotely. So an all out superman makes no mistakes while fighting? He cannot outfight WW. But answer this. OWAW superman we know, but what is WW and MM best?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The only time I recall of an all out wonder woman was against Bizarro where she was using her whole strength to hold him back and couldn't. An all out J'onn is a myth most probably. In other words, superman gets a boost in power while you limit the other two? I forgot who made this thread. Superman for the handicap win.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Gonna be closing this soon.
Nooo!

This popcorn I just microwaved will go to waste.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Nitpicking, but I don't think going all at is necessarily the same thing as fighting to the best of one's ability. It depends on the context in which the expression is used.

That being said, I agree that those two versions of Superman are not the same. And I agree with you 110% on everything you said about Trinity and Blackest Night: WW!

Also, Batman needs to get punched more. A lot more.

I would agree, tbh, and I think a lot of people equate "not holding back" with "fighting at your best". They're not the same thing at all.

Originally posted by JBL
So an all out superman makes no mistakes while fighting? He cannot outfight WW. But answer this. OWAW superman we know, but what is WW and MM best?

I never said he makes no mistakes. He just doesn't fight like he did in Sacrifice.

I don't really know what their uber versions would be, tbh.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nooo!

This popcorn I just microwaved will go to waste.

Shush!

Martian Manhunter solos with his 2 arms tied behind his back.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because we really don't need another scan-heavy Superman respect thread, is why.
Originally posted by JBL
Wonder Woman has faced down this so-called all out superman and was holding back. Team wins in both.
Haha. He punched her only once in that fight while affected by kryptonite and KTFO her.Originally posted by JBL
In other words, superman gets a boost in power while you limit the other two? I forgot who made this thread. Superman for the handicap win.
Why are they handicapped? I made all three go all out, didn't I? Quit whining because you had to give superman wins.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was also mentally compromised. That by default means he can't be taken as being fighting to the best of his ability.


He was fighting overly-aggressively, but we saw him use his powers in well in combination, and they were at full power.


He was mentally compromise in the sense of thinking Diane was an enemy and being very angry, but that doesn't mean he was fighting badly in any sense.

Originally posted by Q99
He was fighting overly-aggressively, but we saw him use his powers in well in combination, and they were at full power.


He was mentally compromise in the sense of thinking Diane was an enemy and being very angry, but that doesn't mean he was fighting badly in any sense.

He was out of his mind with rage and grief; Rucka said so.

It can't be construed as being usable for Superman based on that alone. It doesn't mean he was holding back his strength, but it does mean that he can't be considered as fighting with all of his faculties.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was out of his mind with rage and grief; Rucka said so.

It can't be construed as being usable for Superman based on that alone. It doesn't mean he was holding back his strength, but it does mean that he can't be considered as fighting with all of his faculties.

He was still doing advanced stuff like rapid-fire heatvision while at Super speed and such, using the environment like trying to throw her into the sun, actively avoiding her weapons, etc.. He didn't lose his intelligence just because he was full of rage, and we saw him use his powers and tactics on a good level during the fight.


Like I said, the grief made him fight overly aggressively, he would've normally been more defensive in stance, but he still very much was fighting well.

Originally posted by Q99
He was still doing advanced stuff like rapid-fire heatvision while at Super speed and such, using the environment like trying to throw her into the sun, actively avoiding her weapons, etc.. He didn't lose his intelligence just because he was full of rage, and we saw him use his powers and tactics on a good level during the fight.


Like I said, the grief made him fight overly aggressively, he would've normally been more defensive in stance, but he still very much was fighting well.

Rucka said Superman was out of his mind with rage and grief. Maxwell Lord had been in his mind plenty already, making him see things and influencing his mental state.

He was mentally compromised. Yes, he showed a varied use of his powers, but the fact remains that his attitude and his demeanour were almost completely contrary to his long-established behaviour in combat.

You want to argue that Superman wasn't restraining his strength? Sure, go ahead.

It isn't, however, usable as an example of Superman operating at peak efficiency, or even close to it.

Originally posted by Q99
He was fighting overly-aggressively, but we saw him use his powers in well in combination, and they were at full power.


He was mentally compromise in the sense of thinking Diane was an enemy and being very angry, but that doesn't mean he was fighting badly in any sense.
Yes, he was fighting badly. At one point he was HVing clouds while she was in front of him. Max lord instructing him to fire HV and avoid lasso doesn't mean he was fighting intelligently. Not to mention he can't use his full powers when mindcontrolled as stated in canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its like nobody knows how superman's powers work. It was established from start that Superman needs his brain in his control to fully use his powers.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16479425_activebrain.jpg

Its not the matter of being hindered by mindcontrol as most characters, he literally can't access his full powers if he is mindcontrolled.

Lol precrisis scan.

Team 8/10

Superman 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
Lol precrisis scan.
crylaugh

Oh carver, its from Action Comics 586.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha. He punched her only once in that fight while affected by kryptonite and KTFO her.
Why are they handicapped? I made all three go all out, didn't I? Quit whining because you had to give superman wins. You made a thread in which you handicapped two fighters so that superman can win, first you say that WW used all her strength and lost while saying that superman blitzed the same person and koed him in an attempt to show superman as the better, then you say that an all out MM is a myth?? Your purpose from the start is that superman wins, so why create the thread when you want superman to win no matter what. People can vote for the team, but you who starts the thread wants superman to win, thats why hes OWAW and you lowball WW and MM in a thread you created. Exposed yet again dude. You say that MM goes all out then turn around and say that an all out MM is a myth?????? REALLY DUDE? WOW!

how did he handicap them?

JBL why don't you get over abhi?

Originally posted by JBL
You made a thread in which you handicapped two fighters so that superman can win, first you say that WW used all her strength and lost while saying that superman blitzed the same person and koed him in an attempt to show superman as the better, then you say that an all out MM is a myth?? Your purpose from the start is that superman wins, so why create the thread when you want superman to win no matter what. People can vote for the team, but you who starts the thread wants superman to win, thats why hes OWAW and you lowball WW and MM in a thread you created. Exposed yet again dude. You say that MM goes all out then turn around and say that an all out MM is a myth?????? REALLY DUDE? WOW!
How did I handicap them in the first place? This is what happened in the comic, I don't need to give you an explanation to why and how it happened. If you are so upset that Superman trumped wonder woman, go cry to someone who cares.

I said all out J'onn is a myth as a joke. You get pretty upset that superman wins against any character, I get it. Need a shoulder to cry on?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
how did he handicap them?

JBL why don't you get over abhi? Put your love for superman aside and you will see. He calls me names and tells me to go back to CBR, yet you say nothing then because you defend superman also. He wants superman to win, he lies about scans and gets corrected by others. Yet you defend him? I wonder why?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How did I handicap them in the first place? This is what happened in the comic, I don't need to give you an explanation to why and how it happened. If you are so upset that Superman trumped wonder woman, go cry to someone who cares.

I said all out J'onn is a myth as a joke. You get pretty upset that superman wins against any character, I get it. Need a shoulder to cry on? Superman wins against any character? You tell on yourself. Answer this, Who do you think wins? Is OWAW superman above WW and MM? If so, then why use him against these two if you know he would stomp both??

I don't need to put any love for Superman aside to see Abhi is insane. I did give the team the win in the first scenario, so I don't see the whole 'you defend Supes so you don't see it." I am not defending Abhi. I however think you're a little too invested in this whole thing. Having said that I still don't see how he handicapped the team in scenario 2.

This is superman against Bizarro after Diana fails to restrain one of his arms.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16479874_BSWWTrinity-003-57.jpg

A heck of a blitz.

Did abhi have an agenda when he made the thread? He sure did.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't need to put any love for Superman aside to see Abhi is insane. I did give the team the win in the first scenario, so I don't see the whole 'you defend Supes so you don't see it." I am not defending Abhi. I however think you're a little too invested in this whole thing. Having said that I still don't see how he handicapped the team in scenario 2. So you think an OWAW superman against a WW that he said got beat by a person that regular superman koed and a MM going all out is a myth is not a handicapped match? He is on purpose using a superman with a very high showing against a WW with a low showing and a MM that he himself states is a myth. Now he claims hes joking when exposed. You dont see that?

Originally posted by JBL
Superman wins against any character? You tell on yourself. Answer this, Who do you think wins? Is OWAW superman above WW and MM? If so, then why use him against these two if you know he would stomp both??
Haha, that's just too easy. I haven't given any side wins here.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't need to put any love for Superman aside to see Abhi is insane. You wound me zack.

crying2

Originally posted by JBL
So you think an OWAW superman against a WW that he said got beat by a person that regular superman koed and a MM going all out is a myth is not a handicapped match? He is on purpose using a superman with a very high showing against a WW with a low showing and a MM that he himself states is a myth. Now he claims hes joking when exposed. You dont see that? No its not. Putting stipulations like "no lasso/tiara/bracers" and "no telepathy/intangibility" is handicapping the team. Or having their normal selves fight OWAW Superman. What you're describing sounds more like spite.

He is using a high end showing for Superman and showing low showings for Diana. People do that shit all the time here.

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So who wins this fight iyo, abhi?

Originally posted by JBL
So you think an OWAW superman against a WW that he said got beat by a person that regular superman koed and a MM going all out is a myth is not a handicapped match? He is on purpose using a superman with a very high showing against a WW with a low showing and a MM that he himself states is a myth. Now he claims hes joking when exposed. You dont see that?


Why don't you post an all out wonder woman and all out J'onn's feats here. I've posted wonder woman's feat at full strength, I don't know so much about J'onn so I didn't. You are pretty sure that the team curbstomps superman as usual, so you must've some feats that prove so. Right? So lets see those feats. Or are you just here to bash superman fans?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Did abhi have an agenda when he made the thread? He sure did.
I don't know what you're talking about here.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
No its not. Putting stipulations like "no lasso/tiara/bracers" and "no telepathy/intangibility" is handicapping the team. Or having their normal selves fight OWAW Superman. What you're describing sounds more like spite.

He is using a high end showing for Superman and showing low showings for Diana. People do that shit all the time here.

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So who wins this fight iyo, abhi?

I don't see how outperforming someone is using high end showing. It would be like using Superman vs Doomsday and then using Wonder Woman vs Deathstroke. That's what high showing vs low showing look like.

I'm not going to answer my own thread. That's rude.

uhuh

I agree. I was getting carried away. It wasn't really a low showing for Diana. Superman himself has stated/implied Bizarro is even stronger than him., did he not?

Originally posted by abhilegend


Why don't you post an all out wonder woman and all out J'onn's feats here. I've posted wonder woman's feat at full strength, I don't know so much about J'onn so I didn't. You are pretty sure that the team curbstomps superman as usual, so you must've some feats that prove so. Right? So lets see those feats. Or are you just here to bash superman fans? You made the thread. You tell us. Or else you expose yourself. Why didnt you put up a scan where WW won? No, you put one up where she lost and then said MM is going all out, yet now state you know nothing about him going all out???? Easy puzzle to put together dude.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I agree. I was getting carried away. It wasn't really a low showing for Diana. Superman himself has stated/implied Bizarro is even stronger than him., did he not? He already answered it, read between the lines dude.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I agree. I was getting carried away. It wasn't really a low showing for Diana. Superman himself has stated/implied Bizarro is even stronger than him., did he not?
Yes but that's a different bizarro.Originally posted by JBL
You made the thread. You tell us. Or else you expose yourself. Why didnt you put up a scan where WW won? No, you put one up where she lost and then said MM is going all out, yet now state you know nothing about him going all out???? Easy puzzle to put together dude.
Why would I tell you anything just because I created the thread? I posted the scan where she says that she was using her full strength as I knew about it. If you have any other instance where she was using her full strength or J'onn was using his full strength, tell me. I would post those instances too.

I was joking dude. Are you really this dense?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes but that's a different bizarro.
Why would I tell you anything just because I created the thread? I posted the scan where she says that she was using her full strength as I knew about it. If you have any other instance where she was using her full strength or J'onn was using his full strength, tell me. I would post those instances too.

I was joking dude. Are you really this dense? Using ABC logic is not the way to go. You use WW losing and superman winning against the same character?????. You were not joking about MM. You create a thread, claim that you will not choose a winner, turn around and claim that superman win in so many words ( i will show you if you need me to ) and then ask for proof of MM and WW all out abilities?? You damn show put up supermans abilities by using Mr OWAW HUH? WOW.

Originally posted by JBL
Using ABC logic is not the way to go. You use WW losing and superman winning against the same character?????. You were not joking about MM. You create a thread, claim that you will not choose a winner, turn around and claim that superman win in so many words ( i will show you if you need me to ) and then ask for proof of MM and WW all out abilities?? You damn show put up supermans abilities by using Mr OWAW HUH? WOW.
Outperforming someone in the same fight isn't ABC logic.

I wasn't joking? Pray tell how you figured that out.

I didn't declare a winner here.

I used the most famous scene of superman going all out. Its not my fault that it chafes your butt.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Outperforming someone in the same fight isn't ABC logic.

I wasn't joking? Pray tell how you figured that out.

I didn't declare a winner here.

I used the most famous scene of superman going all out. Its not my fault that it chafes your butt. LOL

Originally posted by JBL
LOL
So nothing as usual? Good.

JBL is delusional

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is superman against Bizarro after Diana fails to restrain one of his arms.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16479874_BSWWTrinity-003-57.jpg

A heck of a blitz.

I knew it. He surprised attacked him. Of course he would have an advantage against Bizarro in situation like that. He even states he isn't going to give him time to recover. That's not a sign of strength, that's a sign of fighting tactically.

Originally posted by carver9
I knew it. He surprised attacked him. Of course he would have an advantage against Bizarro in situation like that. He even states he isn't going to give him time to recover. That's not a sign of strength, that's a sign of fighting tactically.
This is the whole fight carter.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16482344_BSWWTrinity-003-55.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16482350_BSWWTrinity-003-56.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16479874_BSWWTrinity-003-57.jpg

The fact that you think what happened amuses me. Tell us again how Superman surprised bizarro there please. Also in blitz you don't give opponent the time to recover, that's the definition of blitz.

He sliced his hand off while his attention was towards Batman. Then he pounded on him. Its a surprised attack.

Originally posted by carver9
He sliced his hand off while his attention was towards Batman. Then he pounded on him. Its a surprised attack.
While he was in front of Bizarro and then punched him in the face. He followed it with a blitz that KTFO Bizarro. How's that a surprise blitz?

Originally posted by abhilegend
While he was in front of Bizarro and then punched him in the face. He followed it with a blitz that KTFO Bizarro. How's that a surprise blitz?

Batman is in front of him getting choked out, Wonder Woman is holding him, then Superman shows up, burns his hand and chops it off. Surprise attack.

If me and dmills was fighting and you interrupted me stomping mills to sleep by torching my hand and samurai swording it off, I will most def scream out loud (like Bizzaro was doing), look at my hand in pain (like Bizarro was doing) and focus my attention on the pain (like Bizarro was doing). Superman took advantage of this by pressing his attack (just like he said in the comic) and koing Bizzaro. Surprise attack.

Originally posted by carver9
Batman is in front of him getting choked out, Wonder Woman is holding him, then Superman shows up, burns his hand and chops it off. Surprise attack.

If me and dmills was fighting and you interrupted me stomping mills to sleep by torching my hand and samurai swording it off, I will most def scream out loud (like Bizzaro was doing), look at my hand in pain (like Bizarro was doing) and focus my attention on the pain (like Bizarro was doing). Superman took advantage of this by pressing his attack (just like he said in the comic) and koing Bizzaro. Surprise attack.
Chopping his hand might've been a surprise attack. Punching him in the face after that wasn't.

Dmills would beat the shit out of you, lets not get carried away.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Chopping his hand might've been a surprise attack. Punching him in the face after that wasn't.

Dmills would beat the shit out of you, lets not get carried away.

He was still screaming in pain when Superman "chopped his hand off" (I don't think you know how major that is). It was a surprise attack.

Mills is like family, a fight between us would never happen. Now you on the other hand.

Originally posted by carver9
He was still screaming in pain when Superman "chopped his hand off" (I don't think you know how major that is). It was a surprise attack.

Mills is like family, a fight between us would never happen. Now you on the other hand.
He was screaming and then Superman punched him in the face. How's that a surprise attack. Do you know what a surprise means?

You don't stand a chance against that italian lizard, much less me.

Abhi be drunk.

Carver is like a drunken black Hulk. Dmills got no chance.

I don't drink after my accident.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was screaming and then Superman punched him in the face. How's that a surprise attack. Do you know what a surprise means?

You don't stand a chance against that italian lizard, much less me.

Like I said, he was paying attention to the pain from his lopped off hand (like any sane person would). Then Superman proceeded at pounded in his face in. That's not a good example you posted proving Superman>Wonder Woman. Bizzaro is stronger than Superman anyways.

My name is CARVE'r9 for a reason. If you fight anywhere close to the way Superman fight, then you need to hang up the cape bro.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Abhi be drunk.

Carver is like a drunken black Hulk. Dmills got no chance.

Preach it bro.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I said, he was paying attention to the pain from his lopped off hand (like any sane person would). Then Superman proceeded at pounded in his face in. That's not a good example you posted proving Superman>Wonder Woman. Bizzaro is stronger than Superman anyways.

My name is CARVE'r9 for a reason. If you fight anywhere close to the way Superman fight, then you need to hang up the cape bro.
I ask again, do you know what a surprise means? Its an attack which a character doesn't expect in comics. Superman chopped his hand off and then punched him in the face. That's not a surprise attack, the chopping of his hand was one.

That's not the same bizarro and Superman speculated Bizarro might've been stronger than him. He later straight up caught his punch and then oneshotted him. This isn't the same version of Bizarro as that one. Quit while you have some dignity left.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I ask again, do you know what a surprise means? Its an attack which a character doesn't expect in comics. Superman chopped his hand off and then punched him in the face. That's not a surprise attack, the chopping of his hand was one.

That's not the same bizarro and Superman speculated Bizarro might've been stronger than him. He later straight up caught his punch and then oneshotted him. This isn't the same version of Bizarro as that one. Quit while you have some dignity left.

Like I said, Superman caught him off guard by slicing his hand off and THEN punching him in the face. The fight would have went different if they were face to face.

Superman admitted Bizzaro was stronger than him. Lol at catching a punch proving anything. One shorting him is a test of durability, not strength. Grundy has humiliated Bizzaro as well. Its just in character for him to get slapped around.

Lol...so you have dignity? Please provide a scan proving this.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I said, Superman caught him off guard by slicing his hand off and THEN punching him in the face. The fight would have went different if they were face to face.

Superman admitted Bizzaro was stronger than him. Lol at catching a punch proving anything. One shorting him is a test of durability, not strength. Grundy has humiliated Bizzaro as well. Its just in character for him to get slapped around.

Lol...so you have dignity? Please provide a scan proving this.
Your saying doesn't means shit. You don't even know what a surprise attack is. How is Superman punching Bizarro in the face after chopping off his hand is a surprise attack? Much less the blitz that was after he punched Bizarro away?

This is NOT the same bizarro which Superman was speculating that he might be stronger. Catching a punch isn't a test of strength? Oneshotting someone isn't a sign of strength but durability?



I'd report you for trolling if I didn't know that it was you.

Grundy was powered up and he fluctuates wildly depending upon his incarnation. He has ripped amazo's head off FFS.

Scans of what Carter?

Why are you getting so personal buddy? We are just debating, right? If you can't handle a reasonable debate, we can stop if you want? Don't need you rupturing a blood vessel.

Originally posted by carver9
Why are you getting so personal buddy? We are just debating, right? If you can't handle a reasonable debate, we can stop if you want? Don't need you rupturing a blood vessel.
I'm just annoyed at your inability to comprehend something obvious when it comes to superman. I mean claiming oneshotting someone is a test of durability?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pure slugfest. Preboot versions of characters.

a) Normal versions.

b) All out Superman (OWAW) VS All out Wonder Woman & All out Martian Manhunter.

Who wins?
Is a slugfest just punching with no defensive maneuvers (blocking, ducking, dodging, etc) or no supespeed?

If so then

a) split
b) Superman

If defensive maneuvers can be used (as defined above) then

team in both because of WW

No blocking.

If Diana can't defend herself she's done in maybe 2 or 3 shots. At the end of the day she's not on par with Kal, he has broken her bones with little effort.

J'onn is kind of a toss up, a lot of writers like to say he's as strong as Superman, but he's done little to prove it.

no blocking?
a) split
b) superman

Originally posted by iceman24567
JBL is delusional Are you important to our debate? Thought not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No blocking. Then Kal ****s them up in both scenarios.

Team
Superman

Bump.

An example of the strength difference between Superman and Martian Manhunter.

John Stewart pretty easily restrains Martian Manhunter in a construct, doesn't even stick around.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Lanterns/Green/John/Miscellaneous/th_COSMIC_ODYSSEY_2-PG30.jpg

How does it work out when he tires, seemingly with more effort, against Superman?

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Teams/Sacrifice/th_AOS642-PG18-19.jpg

Not very well.

Ultraman usually gives Superman a run for his money. How does he do against Martian Manhunter?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/65659/1268099-jla_e2.jpg

He gets treated like fodder (let's see how many people reply to this post).

Basically, you're trying to make a bait post. You even say you're trying to entice posters.

Which is against the rules.

Originally posted by carver9
Ultraman usually gives Superman a run for his money. How does he do against Martian Manhunter?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/65659/1268099-jla_e2.jpg

He gets treated like fodder (let's see how many people reply to this post).

Typical carter, omitting context. Have you ever participated in a topic without lying? Ultraman was weakening due to lack of Anti-Kryptonite. Very next page after your scan.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/JLA_EARTH2-PG73.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Basically, you're trying to make a bait post. You even say you're trying to entice posters.

Which is against the rules.

He's actually got a plan in mind? Missed that. Wonder where he's going with this.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Typical carter, omitting context. Have you ever participated in a topic without lying? Ultraman was weakening due to lack of Anti-Kryptonite. Very next page after your scan.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/JLA_EARTH2-PG73.jpg

Read your own scan. Her statement is talking about the present, not the past.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Basically, you're trying to make a bait post. You even say you're trying to entice posters.

Which is against the rules.

Nope, I knew Delta post would get ignored while my post would get attention from the fans.

Well yes, because yours ignores context and is wrong, and his isn't.

Originally posted by carver9
Read your own scan. Her statement is talking about the present, not the past.

Are you arguing he only started losing his powers after the fight with J'onn?

Team, easily.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Are you arguing he only started losing his powers after the fight with J'onn?

Yes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Team, easily.



Wonder Woman is enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes.

So, prove he only was weakening after.

Originally posted by carver9


Wonder Woman is enough.

lol Like that helps your credibility. Birds of a feather and all.

Originally posted by carver9


Wonder Woman is enough. WW 219 really stings the Superman fanatical base.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So, prove he only was weakening after.



lol Like that helps your credibility. Birds of a feather and all.

Her statement wasn't past tense.

She does solo though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW 219 really stings the Superman fanatical base.

It does. Especially considering this was him going all out while she was barely holding back.

Originally posted by carver9
Her statement wasn't past tense.

She does solo though.

Except unless you're straight-up lying, you have poor reading comprehension to think that despite she said every single second he's away from it. He'd been away for quite a while.

Originally posted by carver9
It does. Especially considering this was him going all out while she was barely holding back.

If you're so confident, why not accept my BZ challenge? Don't want judges to make it official you lose?

Originally posted by carver9
It does. Especially considering this was him going all out while she was barely holding back. Watch the Superman fanbase lash out. Her cutting his throat causes them real physical anguish.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Except unless you're straight-up lying, you have poor reading comprehension to think that despite she said every single second he's away from it. He'd been away for quite a while.



After this post, this topic is done. Wonder Woman solos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Watch the Superman fanbase lash out. Her cutting his throat causes them real physical anguish.

Originally posted by carver9
After this post, this topic is done. Wonder Woman solos.

So you're afraid to BZ the topic. I understand.

Originally posted by carver9


Birds of a feather.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW 219 really stings the Superman fanatical base.

They must burn every copy they find lol

It didn't happen! It didn't happen!

Oh the pain delta is experiencing at this moment. Too much to bear.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They must burn every copy they find lol

It didn't happen! It didn't happen!

Originally posted by carver9


Wonder Woman is enough.

you have been proven wrong on your ignorance and I called you out on my Superman vs WW thread on the Superman forums in which btw you never showed up again and ran like you always do.

Oh and a SINGLE instance is meaningless vs their whole history so I laugh at those clinging and trolling just because of a single showing trying to ignore their whole history. I said trying because that is all they can do, try.

This thread is hilarious

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
you have been proven wrong on your ignorance and I called you out on my Superman vs WW thread on the Superman forums in which btw you never showed up again and ran like you always do.

Oh and a SINGLE instance is meaningless vs their whole history so I laugh at those clinging and trolling just because of a single showing trying to ignore their whole history. I said trying because that is all they can do, try.

They don't just cling to one example, they omit all context and ignore all the stuff showing that Superman was still superior to her, but she was saved by the context.

Originally posted by Delta1938
They don't just cling to one example, they omit all context and ignore all the stuff showing that Superman was still superior to her, but she was saved by the context.

Exactly, what do you expect?

Is the Superman hate/troll squad

Truth is, they are just butt hurt.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Exactly, what do you expect?

Is the Superman hate/troll squad

Truth is, they are just butt hurt.

We know the real reason carter ignores my Battlezone is because he FEEEEEARS MEEEEE.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pure slugfest. Preboot versions of characters.

a) Normal versions.

b) All out Superman (OWAW) VS All out Wonder Woman & All out Martian Manhunter.

Who wins?

a). Superman 7/10.
b). Superman 10/10

Originally posted by carver9


Wonder Woman is enough.

So, Wonder Woman, who got embarrassed by Parasite, suffering from the Kryptonite poisoning that Superman did as a result of draining him, after he'd been fighting Supes and she got the drop on him, is going to beat Superman in a slugfest(no skill, no gear, no avoiding anything) on her own. mhmm

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Parasite/KryptonitePoisoning1/th_SUPERMAN_V2_156-PG10.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Parasite/KryptonitePoisoning1/th_SUPERMAN_V2_156-PG13.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Parasite/KryptonitePoisoning1/th_SUPERMAN_V2_156-PG14-15.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Parasite/KryptonitePoisoning1/th_SUPERMAN_V2_156-PG16.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Parasite/KryptonitePoisoning1/th_SUPERMAN_V2_156-PG17.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Parasite/KryptonitePoisoning1/th_SUPERMAN_V2_156-PG18.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Parasite/KryptonitePoisoning1/th_SUPERMAN_V2_156-PG19.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/SupermanVS/Villains/Parasite/KryptonitePoisoning1/th_SUPERMAN_V2_156-PG20.jpg

No wonder carter had to lie about the Ultraman/Martian Manhunter fight.

Originally posted by carver9
I think Diana is more powerful now than ever imo but I do think Superman, Pre Superman is more powerful all around. Hal sucks.

So you think that Post-FLASHPOINT Wonder Woman is more powerful than ever, that Pre-FLASHPOINT Superman is still more powerful overall, but the weaker Wonder Woman alone wins a slugfest. Carter-Logic. mhmm

Originally posted by TheDude666
J'onn would destroy him, diana isnt needed
curbstomp on clark

Thread should have ended with this.

Martian Manhunter's been stated numerous times to be more powerful then Supernan.

Originally posted by cdtm
Thread should have ended with this.

Martian Manhunter's been stated numerous times to be more powerful then Supernan.
Superman has been stated to be the most powerful being on Earth like 30 times.

And he has got the feats. J'onn is all hype and nothing else.

Originally posted by cdtm
Thread should have ended with this.

Martian Manhunter's been stated numerous times to be more powerful then Supernan.

1: Even if that's what mattered, there's more times Superman>J'onn than the other way around. 2: What matters more is that J'onn usually gets out-performed. 3: It's a slugfest. Unless you think those statements mean he's stronger too?

Superman has been stated to be the most powerful being on Earth far more than MM.

MM has a couple of times he is referred to as top dog and typical of the anti-Superman crowd that means he is more powerful no matter what.

Comicvine MM is not in this thread.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/32292952_image.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/32292953_image.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/32292955_image.jpg

Visually, it's hard to get much sense of "humiliation" here.
Even in comics, or perhaps especially in comics, the following (excerpt below is from Wikipedia) is reasonably common knowledge:


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Manhole covers are often made out of cast iron, concrete or a combination of the two. This makes them inexpensive, strong, and heavy, usually weighing more than 50 kilograms (110 lb). The weight helps to keep them in place when traffic passes over them, and makes it difficult for unauthorised people not having suitable tools to remove them ...
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhole_cover



Gotta be honest, first thought at seeing Diana smiling and supportive after a villain with Superman's strength and speed hurls something like that at her, only to achieve a desperate getaway, was:

"Wow. They gave her some impressive ab strength there. Especially considering Diana's not particularly well-known, pre-2005 at least, for extreme durability. I've read comics where similar maneuvers nearly cut their target in two ..."


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I'd be interested in knowing when this storyline takes place.

'Cause if what you say is true, I'm wondering why all this supposed kryptonite is lying around.

If this is when I think it was, Loeb would use the idea of an asteroid broken off from Krypton to reintroduce Supergirl roundabout 2004 of course, but I've read where that was actually an afterthought.


I'm curious what the original reason for it might have been.