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Team SWTOR:

-Hero of Tython
-Darth Nox
-Barsen'thor


vs


Team Movies:

-RotS Anakin Skywalker
-RotS Obi-Wan Kenobi
-RotS Count Dooku


They fight on Nar Shaddaa, next to that huge golden Hutt statue.


Note: If Team 1 is too powerful, consider replacing Kenobi with Windu.

How is Dooku a Protagonist?

I wanted a Sith. http://japan-legend.com/emoticons/simple/shrugs.gif

Team SWTOR comfortably

I'm going to agree.

^just because this is an obvious bait thread, I'm going to demand some actual justification.

Its not a bait thread, I copied it from RotJ Vaders forum, lol. I'll copy their justification too.

The Hero of Tython while mainly a lightsaber specialist, has shown capability to collapse thick ceilings without need of much concentration or effort, and has one-shotted Sith Lords on occasion in lightsaber combat. By the end of the first act he had defeated Darth Angral and his four apprentices--All of which were powerful Sith Lords, especially the former, who even Vitiate considered useful. He has also shown capability to stalemate Scourge prior to his Prime, which in itself is a considerable feat. He has also, at the end of his story arc, defeated Vitiate himself. Admittedly, it was a severely weakened Vitiate, however, they were also fighting on a powerful Dark Nexus which Empowers Dark Side Force Users which makes this feat still very impressive, considering that Vitiate at full power has defeated Revan rather quickly prior to draining his power and getting an amp from Sel-Makor, and defeated a strike team of 4 of the most powerful Jedi in the Order in seconds. The HoT defeated a guy who was siphoning the powers of thousands of Sith Lords--That's a pretty epic feat man. I'll be damned if he's not on the level of Vader/Anakin/Dooku.

The Barsen'thor is a Force User of considerable power as well, and as I have shown above has ripped open a Blast Door the size of a 2 story building via Force Push. She's also levitated rather large hunks of metal and tossed them away easily relatively early in her career. At the end of Act 1, before her prime, while weakened--She was able to defeat Lord Vivicar, who was siphoning power from over a hundred Jedi Masters across the Galaxy. That's pretty beastly--Not to mention she defeated the First Son, who was considerably powerful himself and quite possibly the second strongest Sith of the time sans Vitiate. She was also able to use the Force Shielding technique to save Jedi Masters from Vivicar's Plague without large amount of difficulty, while the creator of the technique had large repercussions while using it. And while her only real feats were as a Force User, she still had to be a capable swordsmen to defeat some of the foes she did. I'd also be damned if she's not on their level as well.

Darth Nox also delivered one of the most thorough beatdowns on Thanaton that we've seen in the mythos, utterly dominating him and stopping his lightsaber blade with the Force. She's amped by the power of 5 Force Ghosts when even before then she could shatter rock with her lightning and was a hugely powerful prodigy.


Basically I'd give the win to anyone on Team 1 over anyone on Team 2. Nox and the Barsen'thor dominate with the Force. With their ability to flat-out stop lightsabers with the Force protecting them from lightsaber combat and their amazing Force powers taking out Team 2. And the Hero of Tython is, well, the Hero of Tython.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Hero of Tython while mainly a lightsaber specialist, has shown capability to collapse thick ceilings without need of much concentration or effort,

Everyone on the both sides has casually crushed thick durasteel.



Good for him/her/it. I'm sure none of those sith lords were on any of the trio's level. One-shotting mooks, even if these "mooks" are on the level of Jedi Masters, is only relevant to a certain tier level.



Dooku would have defeated Obi Wan and Anakin together had the latter not gone in-teh-zone. That sure beats defeating one sith lord and four apprentices (LOL wut), given that Obi Wan and Anakin can individually take out magnaguards with casual efficiency, the same magnaguards that can kill Jedi Masters. You had earlier stated without much hesitation that Ventress can stomp two Jedi Masters; Obi Wan and Anakin have individually far surpassed her by RotS.



Dooku has fought Yoda and not died. He was also superior to Mace Windu as late as Dark Rendezvous.



Vitiate was weakened, as you pointed out. We have no idea how weakened he was, except that he was in the midst of pulling off perhaps the most ambitious ritual ever conceived of.



Fortunate for you that hell doesn't exist, but whilst he may be capable of taking on any of them individually, he certainly isn't compensating for the weak links on his team.



Please post this.



Aside from "she still had to be a capable swordsman", what are her lightsaber feats, exactly?



Amping aside (which I'm pretty sure doesn't count here), everyone on the RotS team can beat-down council members (and Dooku has humiliated Ventress with casual ease), and shattering rock isn't impressive at all compared to sides that can rip durasteel without much effort.

Also, no. Lightsaber. Feats. What. Are. They.



In a lightsaber duel, the RotS team has this in spades. In an all-out confrontation, Dooku can hold off the HoT, Kenobi can defeat Nox and Anakin can defeat Barsen'thor.

Only with one of your three combatants do you mention lightsaber mastery of any note.

Originally posted by Master Han
Everyone on the both sides has casually crushed thick durasteel.

Even Kenobi?

Originally posted by Master Han
Good for him/her/it. I'm sure none of those sith lords were on any of the trio's level. One-shotting mooks, even if these "mooks" are on the level of Jedi Masters, is only relevant to a certain tier level.

Lolwut, one-shotting Jedi Masters is relevant no matter what your level. Besides those Sith had just defeated a Jedi Council Member who resisted the growing quakes of the Shock Drum for a long period of time with the Force. The Shock Drum which could destroy a planet btw.

Originally posted by Master Han
Dooku would have defeated Obi Wan and Anakin together had the latter not gone in-teh-zone. That sure beats defeating one sith lord and four apprentices (LOL wut), given that Obi Wan and Anakin can individually take out magnaguards with casual efficiency, the same magnaguards that can kill Jedi Masters. You had earlier stated without much hesitation that Ventress can stomp two Jedi Masters; Obi Wan and Anakin have individually far surpassed her by RotS.

Erm those apprentices are all Sith Lords in their own right. In Swtor you can be an apprentice no matter your rank. Baras is Vengeans apprentice and he's one of the best Darths there is.

Originally posted by Master Han
Dooku has fought Yoda and not died. He was also superior to Mace Windu as late as Dark Rendezvous.

I know.

Originally posted by Master Han
Vitiate was weakened, as you pointed out. We have no idea how weakened he was, except that he was in the midst of pulling off perhaps the most ambitious ritual ever conceived of.

According to Scourge and Vitiate he had recovered his power in the time in took for you to get to him. And it was on an immensely powerful nexus.

Originally posted by Master Han
Fortunate for you that hell doesn't exist, but whilst he may be capable of taking on any of them individually, he certainly isn't compensating for the weak links on his team.

Lolut. His team doesn't have any weak links. Barsen'thor and Nox are ****ing beasts.

Originally posted by Master Han
Please post this.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/30f33c05a03920427cccee1290d51490/tumblr_mnu9ayeG0s1rbwuv5o1_500.png

http://25.media.tumblr.com/987fe392f1ff526beec47ae6dbc1d448/tumblr_mnu9ayeG0s1rbwuv5o2_500.png

Look ma, one hand!

Originally posted by Master Han
Aside from "she still had to be a capable swordsman", what are her lightsaber feats, exactly?

I'm pretty sure she doesn't have any. She's really Force-focused and all her feats are like that.

Originally posted by Master Han
Amping aside (which I'm pretty sure doesn't count here), everyone on the RotS team can beat-down council members (and Dooku has humiliated Ventress with casual ease), and shattering rock isn't impressive at all compared to sides that can rip durasteel without much effort.

Also, no. Lightsaber. Feats. What. Are. They.

The amping does count, since Nox has permanently bound 5 Sith Spirits to himself and can call on their power. This ability also makes him impossible to kill as long as the Spirits are bound to him.

Anyway, you should watch the fight, its amazingly impressive imo:

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The fight between Nox and Thanaton is at 22.20. Also interestingly Nox is the one person I've ever seen block lightning with a Force Shield at 11.56.

And they can't rip durasteel that with lightning. In AotC Dookus lightning is also shown to be able to break rock (a bit), but the difference is that Nox did that in Act 1, before having the power of 5 Sith Spirits bound to him.

Lightsaber feats? Silly rabbit, who needs lightsaber feats?

Originally posted by Master Han
In a lightsaber duel, the RotS team has this in spades. In an all-out confrontation, Dooku can hold off the HoT, Kenobi can defeat Nox and Anakin can defeat Barsen'thor.

Only with one of your three combatants do you mention lightsaber mastery of any note.

Yes I agree that Team 2 is superior in terms of lightsabers. But Nox and the Barsen'thor are easily the most powerful players on the field and can wreck Team 2 if they can use their Force attacks on them. Which I'm not really seeing as difficult for them to do.

Thats because two of the Swtor team are explicitly Force-based.

Yoda has stopped a lightsaber with the Force in the TCW before.

Really? Who was he fighting?

Probably talking about the Ventress episode.

He was.

Also, Dooku and Anakin and Obi-Wan are powerful Jedi.


/legendary

Obi-Wan is a noob

No! Obi-Wan has been described as "a Powerful Jedi" and "The Master of Soresu." Get with the program!

I think pencilcrayon's referring to Yoda's humiliating Ventress.

EDIT: damn you ninjas

Obi-Wan sounds overpowered

Pfft, Nox is described as having 'overwhelming power', so he'll overwhelm even a powerful jedi. :P

Wrong! Obi-Wan has been described as "a Powerful Jedi" and "The Master of Soresu."

You DO KNOW THAT NOX IS better than obi-wan right... obi-wan has done literely nothing that puts him on nox's level...

Nox possess 'a fearsome talent for the dark side.' See that, even the omniscient narrator is afraid of Nox. I am a little overwhelmed myself at Noxes power. It also say 'he would beat Kenobi in a fight. Tempest stop being a dildo and join the TOR-side.' Wow!

Omniscient narrator lol.

LOL, that's nothing. Obi Wan is a "vessel of the Force", and that's before he became "more powerful than you could possibly imagine". So, we can reasonably conclude that Obi Wan can output energies beyond the upper limits of the human imagination - presumably, greater than the highest number you could theoretically write on paper with the most rapid large-number-writing methods. So ghost-Kenobi could conceivably vaporize the universe with a quintillion-quintillion^quintillionth percent of his power.

Indeed! Obi-Wan have many combat feats and is described as a "Powerful Jedi" and "The Master of Soresu."

No u.

Although Lord Scourge is a "master swordsman" and has literally infinitely more lightsaber feats than Tulak Hord.

Yes! Continue to read below.

Hint #1: I will!

Nobody can compare to Marka Ragnos, though.

Dying of laughter over here.

That was a popular assertion some time ago, but no longer! You should roll with the updating continuity!

You take me for a fool?

Caedus has three arms though, so he's almost as strong as Grievous.

Ragnos was "The most powerful of the most powerful" after all. Also, did you see how big his body is? Try and imagine how much power he has within ad how strong he is here is his body:

http://www.customstarwars.freeweb.hu/ja/marka%20ragnos.jpg

Also his scepter can drain the Force from WHOLE AREAS. Do you understand now?

No! Mr. Karpyshanc confirmed to me that Vitiate is the strongest character in the mythos; in the big scale, Marka Ragnos isn't the big thing anymore.

Continue to read below!

I'm pretty sure the Heart of the Force is a lot bigger than that.

Marka Ragnos lost to a padawan ?

Yes.

Dem graphics

Ragnos would get crushed by that other sith in the picture.

You mean the big round one on the right? Yeah, he looks ****ing beastly imo.

Ragnos looks even more ridiculous than Loki. Who would ever think those antlers were cool?

Hey, the ladies like the horns okay? Gives them something to HOLD ONTO! WOOF!

But they'd never be able to reach them! Ragnos was like 20 feet tall.

Oh yeah. I guess I didn't really think the sexiness through.....

Nox solos because of unlimited power.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/2434a0bc663eae6a1da8844cf414148e/tumblr_msgbfyhIFR1rcjr4vo1_400.gif

UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAH!

wrath would kick his ass