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Well?

Yoda.

yoda would definitely beat kas'im. kas'im lacks something called feats

Lets be honest here: Even I don't think PoD Bane is even close to Yoda. And PoD Bane was beating Kas'im through sheer power advantage. Yoda would beat Kas'im fairly hard.

But...Kas'im is "maybe the greatest swordsman ever", and this takes place after TOR, which has the HoT and Malgus, who we all know would crush Yoda. And this isn't even factoring in the deity that is Tulak Hord.

I am just keeping it real here Han, even though Kas'im probably rivals or is a better swordsman than Yoda he is still woefully outmatched by Yoda's power and can't keep up with him, so his skill as a swordsman is obsolete.

Yoda simply outclasses Kas'im.
Yoda 10/10.

Yoda stomps

Originally posted by Master Han
But...Kas'im is "maybe the greatest swordsman ever", and this takes place after TOR, which has the HoT and Malgus, who we all know would crush Yoda. And this isn't even factoring in the deity that is Tulak Hord.

seems reasonable

Kas'im > HoT > Malgus >>>>>> some mooks like Yoda or Sidious

lmao

Yoda wtfpwns.

Yoda obliterates.

Bane (who at the time already had the better speed and general Force use feats to his name, as well as being physically far bigger and stronger than Yoda) had such a significant advantage over Kas'im largely because he basically knew his techniques inside out (as Kas'im did his) where it basically rendered their respective technique irrelevant and became a contest of their strength in the Force and physical abilities alone. Yoda would not have those same advantages.

Bane faster than Yoda? Has to be trolling.

LMAO

Yoda's really not that fast; he's fast and he's small and he's agile and he performs lots of fancy acrobatic manoeuvres that alltogether create the illusion that he's faster than he actually is. Bane has at times moved so quickly that he appears practically invisible to the eyes of trained Force Users. He was able to down Sirak with a rather elaborate combination and it took all of the Sith in attendance time to register what had even happened. This was still around halfway through his training by the point of his fight with Kas'im. All this for a monster of a man who's primary physical attributes were his strength and size no less.

???

Yoda is faster than an enhanced Dooku who, without an enhancement, can product multiple afterimages, fight in blurring motions, fight faster than Kenobi (who is faster than Qui-Gon Jinn, who can move in blurs). He's faster than Anakin who has moved limbs faster than thought without any training in the force and who almost encased himself with blurring light. He's faster than Maul who can produce ''webs'' out of his lightsabers blurrings and run invisibly fast. He's faster than Mace who can generate afterimages infront of Kar Vastor.

Yoda's equal to Sidious who blitzed 3 of the greatest swordsman in history blah blah.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
???

Yoda is faster than an enhanced Dooku who, without an enhancement, can product multiple afterimages, fight in blurring motions, fight faster than Kenobi (who is faster than Qui-Gon Jinn, who can move in blurs). He's faster than Anakin who has moved limbs faster than thought without any training in the force and who almost encased himself with blurring light. He's faster than Maul who can produce ''webs'' out of his lightsabers blurrings and run invisibly fast. He's faster than Mace who can generate afterimages infront of Kar Vastor.

lol

Originally posted by Intrepid37
???

Yoda is faster than an enhanced Dooku who, without an enhancement, can product multiple afterimages, fight in blurring motions, fight faster than Kenobi (who is faster than Qui-Gon Jinn, who can move in blurs). He's faster than Anakin who has moved limbs faster than thought without any training in the force and who almost encased himself with blurring light. He's faster than Maul who can produce ''webs'' out of his lightsabers blurrings and run invisibly fast. He's faster than Mace who can generate afterimages infront of Kar Vastor.
Wow...now that you bring this up, I think the fight may last only a few milliseconds before Yoda mauls Kas'im.

IDK if "?YLLAER" is serious or not, but I don't really give a f*ck either way.

Originally posted by ?YLLAER
Bane (who at the time already had the better speed and general Force use feats to his name, as well as being physically far bigger and stronger than Yoda)

Greater speed feats? Has he ever matched blades with a guy who blitzed and dropped three of the greatest swordsmen in history within seconds?

Greater Force feats? Has he ever caught the lightning of the most powerful sith lord to have ever lived? His only remarkable feats in the Force are destroying the foundations of a thousands-year-old temple with a charged Force wave, and ripping through the defenses of some weakling sith (Yoda did the latter to a far, far more powerful Ventress).



Thanks for bringing that up; Kas'im would have no experience fighting an opponent of Yoda's size and stature.

Originally posted by ?YLLAER
Yoda's really not that fast; he's fast and he's small and he's agile and he performs lots of fancy acrobatic manoeuvres that alltogether create the illusion that he's faster than he actually is.

Tell that to Sidious, who dropped three legendary blade masters within seconds, and then tried to run from Yoda.



This hyperbole/description/whatever is frequently used to describe practically every combatant at one point or another. It's not really exclusive.



Sirak at this point is just an apprentice. Big deal. And Kas'im was losing to Bane before he whipped out his dual blades. Bane in PoD progressed in power perhaps faster than any person in the mythos...but from an absolute standpoint, he isn't shit compared to Yoda.

Meh, there are plenty of people who progressed faster than Bane as I recall. Kyle Katarn for one.

Originally posted by Master Han
Greater speed feats? Has he ever matched blades with a guy who blitzed and dropped three of the greatest swordsmen in history within seconds?

Greater Force feats? Has he ever caught the lightning of the most powerful sith lord to have ever lived? His only remarkable feats in the Force are destroying the foundations of a thousands-year-old temple with a charged Force wave, and ripping through the defenses of some weakling sith (Yoda did the latter to a far, far more powerful Ventress).

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
In DoE, his speed was such that we was able to block rain drops. Bane was a master swordsmen and surpassed every other student in mere months. He can desintegrate opponents with a flick of his wrist. His lightning is so powerful he reduced a Drexl to 'smoking husk'.

Really, Bane with or without Orbalisks, is quite impressive.

...Unless you were referring to PoD Bane.




Legendary? There is a huge gap between 'celebrated swordsmen' and 'legendary swordsmen'. Those three, although greatly skilled combatants, were not of legendary skill, as you put it.

Kolar or Tiin wold take Kas'im.

I disagree, but the 3 are certainly on the same level.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
...Unless you were referring to PoD Bane.


Which I was.




We can debate semantics till high noon, but Windu and Kenobi both describe the swordsmen as among "the greatest...ever produced". It's certainly a more impressive speed feat than...taking out a powerful apprentice.

This was only Bane's Windu and Kenobi's opinion, and unless Bane Windu and Kenobi's knows the absolute ability of every swordsman before them, it's useless.

Let's be clear about one thing here... yes Yoda wins imo... but Kit, Kolar or Tin would not take Kas'im... That is a complete load of crap. In a pure saber fight I feel like Kas'im would do pretty good against yoda... still lose.. but it would be after a long difficult fight. Yoda' force powers are what make it a non fight all out.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This was only Bane's Windu and Kenobi's opinion, and unless Bane Windu and Kenobi's knows the absolute ability of every swordsman before them, it's useless.

Irony overload aside, Windu and Kenobi are experienced, credentialed, well connected observers with no reason to lie. Their opinions hold heavy merit, if not infallibility, and certainly do not deserve the designation "useless".

If thats the case, would you be willing to accept Kreia's opinion that Tulak Hord was "the greatest lightsaber duelist of the Sith Lords whose skill was considered remarkable even for his time, when many true lightsaber masters lived" and that "we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters." based on the fact that Kreia's an actual Historian with access to vast stores of knowledge such as Korriban and Malachor V plus whatever she had access to in her time as a Jedi Master (historian)?

Furthermore, Bane actually supports the reason he suspects Kas'im of being perhaps the greatest swordsman ever, describing how he mastered all forms of lightsaber combat before spending decades refining and perfecting all aspects of the art. It isn't like he's making a ridiculous statement, it seems highly likely to be true based on the fact that we know no-one to have developed their skills that much prior to Kas'im or anyone with the evidence to rival him.

In contrast, Windu and Kenobi are not scholars whose opinions we'd be able to trust on such a matter, nor do they actually give reasons for why those guys are so great when by all accounts, outside of those quotes their skills are not particularly notable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If thats the case, would you be willing to accept Kreia's opinion that Tulak Hord was "the greatest lightsaber duelist of the Sith Lords whose skill was considered remarkable even for his time, when many true lightsaber masters lived" and that "we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters." based on the fact that Kreia's an actual Historian with access to vast stores of knowledge such as Korriban and Malachor V plus whatever she had access to in her time as a Jedi Master (historian)?


Not really.

1. Kreia is a pathological liar.
2. Historian or no, Kreia is referring to people who lived thousands of years before her time.
3. I don't see how this is relevant. Nobody denied that Tulak Hord was a remarkable lightsaber duelist.



I agree that Kas'im > Agen Kolar, but it should be noted that Bane, at this point, hardly has the experience or understanding to make as educated a judgment as Kenobi or Windu, and may be referring primarily to technical ability.



LOL, wut?

Both are renowned swordsmen who would not talk out of their asses when dealing in context with the issue of taking down Sidious.



Talking out of your ass, Neph? The Jedi in question have pretty remarkable feats; Kit Fisto absolutely destroys Obi Wan soon after AotC, and hands a similar beatdown to Grievous.

Originally posted by Master Han
Not really.

1. Kreia is a pathological liar.
2. Historian or no, Kreia is referring to people who lived thousands of years before her time.
3. I don't see how this is relevant. Nobody denied that Tulak Hord was a remarkable lightsaber duelist.

1. No she isn't. She lies at times to further her agenda but most of what she tells you is true. When she lies its purely for her or her plans benefit. She has no reason to lie about Hord. Besides, its been supported by the info confirming that Hord was a legendary swordman.
2. Whereas Windu and Kenobi are talking about all of history. Kreia has better credentials to make such statements since shes highly knowledgeable about history, being an historian and all.
3. Its an example. I was just curious if you'd give Kreia the same benefit of the doubt that you do the Jedi.

Originally posted by Master Han
I agree that Kas'im > Agen Kolar, but it should be noted that Bane, at this point, hardly has the experience or understanding to make as educated a judgment as Kenobi or Windu, and may be referring primarily to technical ability.

I'm referring primarily to technical ability. If the info he gives is accurate, his experience and understanding is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Master Han
LOL, wut?

Both are renowned swordsmen who would not talk out of their asses when dealing in context with the issue of taking down Sidious.

Eh, did you miss the word 'scholar?' Fine swordsman they may be, but since they're not noted to be very knowledgeable in terms of history, they hardly have reliable credentials to be making statements about Kolar, Tiin and Fisto in relation to every swordman in history.

Originally posted by Master Han
Talking out of your ass, Neph? The Jedi in question have pretty remarkable feats; Kit Fisto absolutely destroys Obi Wan soon after AotC, and hands a similar beatdown to Grievous.

That he's a good fighters is not in question. That he's one of the greatest swordsman in history is. Besides, those feats needn't be indications of skill per say.

Originally posted by Master Han
Greater speed feats? Has he ever matched blades with a guy who blitzed and dropped three of the greatest swordsmen in history within seconds?

You should really try substantiating what that quote even means before you continuously throw it out like that. I submit that Sirak was even more impressive than the masters you listed, he was the greatest of the students at the academy aside from Bane, and Kopecz later remarked that the students of the Academy were the most powerful warriors the BoD had, so it's likely he was one of the strongest warriors of the order, and the manner in which Bane blitzed him was far more impressive, doing it while Sirak was fully immersed in tehir battle and with such a speed that all the other students around them were completely oblivious to what had happened.



He has caught the lightning of around 30 Sith Lords at once and done so continuously until the power he was containing had reached planetary levels.



In the same way that Yoda would have no experience against a guy with as comprehensive a mastery of all seven forms as Kas'im has, who constantly switches them up in combat.



This wasn't hyperbole; the participants reacted in a manner that would necessitate a literal interpretation of the quote.



he was the top student, and the students were declared the most powerful members of the order.



Largely because Bane was perfectly familiar with his tehniques, where it became a contest of who was the more powerful.



He was both by the end of PoD, the fastest learner and one of the most powerful, grounded enitities in SW history. His feats have far surpassed Yoda's in sheer scale, and that's if we ignore Yoda's G-Canon limitations.

Sirak was thought to be the Sith'ari he was so powerful and the 'weakness' in his form was that he wasn't used to long battles because he wins every fight too quickly. The man has some props.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Meh, there are plenty of people who progressed faster than Bane as I recall. Kyle Katarn for one.

Kyle Katarn? Really? Aside from Nomi Sunrider and Exar Kun I can't really think of anyone who was comparable, if we're looking at it from the perspectives of both lightsabers and the Force.

kyle katarn defeated 6 powerful dark jedi, and one extremely powerful one, with little training.

honestly, with that recent revelation, i may have to place katarn somewhat high in the pantheon of great jedi.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sirak was thought to be the Sith'ari he was so powerful and the 'weakness' in his form was that he wasn't used to long battles because he wins every fight too quickly. The man has some props.

Been awhile since I read those novels but wasn't it a very big plot point that the Sith of the Brotherhood were weak?

Anyway, Sirak was merely a very talented Sith apprentice. Plenty of the lords such as Kas'im and Kaan seemed to be well above his level.

Originally posted by ?YLLAER
You should really try substantiating what that quote even means before you continuously throw it out like that. I submit that Sirak was even more impressive than the masters you listed,



Sirak couldn't even generate more than a few sparks of lightning.

He's extremely powerful for his position - an academy apprentice. The trio taken down by Palpatine were among the greatest duelists in the order's 25,000 year long history.



He was a student. These three were legendary Jedi masters.



No, he didn't. He remarked that they were their strongest students, and more capable than "half" of the "so-called" dark lords on Ruusan. Note that the "so-called" turn of phrase implies that Kopez is denigrating the sith masters as much as he's praising the apprentices.

Indeed, Bane himself has made it clear his belief that the Brotherhood of Sith were weak, not only in belief but also in power, due to spreading the dark side "thin" or whatever. Whether or not he correctly identified the mechanism, his point stands; of this era's sith, only Bane and Kas'im are remotely intimidating.



LOL, so what? Sidious did this to three high level masters while fighting off Mace Windu. Unless if you're to argue that Sirak is more powerful than the three Jedi Masters combined, your point is utterly useless.



This doesn't suggest analogous combative Force ability, bud. Otherwise, I could point out that Plagueis and Palpatine unbalanced the Force itself, and that Yoda was individually actually more powerful then either of them at this point.



LOL, wut? Nick Gillard states that Sidious had mastered all lightsaber forms, and the Clone Wars Character Encyclopedia confirms that Yoda has similarly achieved a high level mastery of the entirety of the dueling arts.

Did you really think 8 centuries would not help Yoda in the slightest?

Now, is he on Kas'im level in sheer technical ability? That's debatable. But note that Bane was certainly not even close, given his not even knowing how to deal with jar'kai. Yoda's technical knowledge strips Bane's by lightyears; it possibly outstrips even Dooku's; and his Force abilities are on par with canonically (key word there) the most powerful sith lord to have ever lived.




...you do realize that I have read the novel, right? Multiple times? Nowhere is it necessary that they interpreted it literally (that is, time literally stopping), but rather that they were shocked by Bane's speed. Big whoop. I would also point out that Bane had saved up months of pent up rage and frustration to unleash in a massive burst of dark side energy; you seem to assume that he fights like this all the time.

So, what you've established is that Kas'im is more powerful than the Bane (who did admit he was not yet a match for the blademaster) who could shock a bunch of apprentices with his speed, and take out an incredibly powerful student.

...how does this lead to "Kas'im > Yoda"?

Yoda has jumped around Dooku and Sidious; do you think Sirak compares to them? Unarmed, he has evaded attacks from three council masters; do you think Sirak is greater than them?



Yoda was the top Jedi throughout the Old Order's entire history.



Right. And as Yoda is perfectly familiar with all seven lightsaber forms, it will come down to the same here, except that Yoda has the advantage of an unfamiliar stature, and the far larger advantage of strength in the Force virtually unmatched in the mythos.



Nope. Bane is a fast learner, I'll give you that; but I'd quickly take away that this is irrelevant, since we're debating power, not potential. Kas'im may be a skilled warrior, but we've seen what happens when he encounters a warrior familiar with his movements and superior in the Force (Bane). And there's no jar'kai trick to pull on Yoda.

Originally posted by ares834
Been awhile since I read those novels but wasn't it a very big plot point that the Sith of the Brotherhood were weak?

Anyway, Sirak was merely a very talented Sith apprentice. Plenty of the lords such as Kas'im and Kaan seemed to be well above his level.

The only implication of that I could see was: '"There are too many Sith Lords in the Brotherhood," he went on. "Too many who are weak in the dark side. Kaan doesn't understand this."

And that they weren't paying attention to the Ancient Sith's examples anymore.

They seem good enough in terms of combat skills to me though.

how can you POSSIBLY argue that kas'im > yoda? my god...

you are a fool to dismiss canon and say that yoda isnt most powerful jedi besides luke. you're also a complete fool to, yet again, dismiss canon by saying the masters brought with windu were not some of the best in the order's history

LOL @ ?YLLAER's responding to explicit G canon sources with a simple "no".

LOL @ ?YLLAER's dismissing Nick Gillard, the chief lightsaber choreographer and the "inventor" of said seven forms, being an unreliable source.

Really, it's infuriating to debate someone who can't muster a rebuttal to outright statements of canon fact with anything more substantive than:

It's stuff I've already provided rebuttals for. It's infuriating that you continuously repeat them, and the last "No." was accompanied by a quote in italics and everything.

yoda is infinitely better with the blade than kas'im could possibly imagine (and that's barely even hyperbole)

Eh.

Kas'im might be more skilled than Yoda imo.

i cant see kas'im ever beating yoda in a blade battle

Might? MIGHT? MIGHt? MIGHT?

Well Yoda was a full master of all lightsaber forms.

Originally posted by ?YLLAER
It's stuff I've already provided rebuttals for. It's infuriating that you continuously repeat them, and the last "No." was accompanied by a quote in italics and everything.

LOL, you "countered" the trio's accolades by designating them as too vague. The answer "no" suggests that said accolades are flat out wrong, or do not exist. Especially since I was stating them as facts and not directly drawing conclusions in the relevant text.

The fact is that Yoda:

1. Has a greater command of the Force than Kas'im.
2. Has an unorthodox stature.
3. Has mastered all seven lightsaber forms to a greater degree than PoD Bane.

Bane had only superior Force skills and faintly comparable technical mastery, and he was driving the blademaster back. Yoda has the edge in practically every conceivable category. I might give Kas'im better technical knowledge; but it won't be enough, any more than it would be enough against Bane.

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Your primary counter-arguments:

1. Bane has greater speed feats than Yoda - again, you're assuming that Sirak > the trio, based on literally nothing but dismissing accolades you find inconvenient and parroting even vaguer ones in Sirak's favor. As powerful as he may be,

he had just learned Force lightning and could only generate a few sparks.

He's an apprentice. That he is more powerful than many (weak) sith masters is irrelevant; AotC Anakin is more powerful than many Jedi Masters, but he would get tooled effortlessly by Kit Fisto.

2. Kasi'm has greater technical mastery than Yoda - even if this were true, it's to a significantly smaller degree than he had against Bane...and he needed to pull out jar'kai to get the advantage. You're trumpeting a very minor technical edge over Yoda's massive advantage in the Force.

3. ...that's it.

Originally posted by Master Han
LOL, you "countered" the trio's accolades by designating them as too vague. The answer "no" suggests that said accolades are flat out wrong, or do not exist. Especially since I was stating them as facts and not directly drawing conclusions in the relevant text.

The fact is that Yoda:

1. Has a greater command of the Force than Kas'im.
2. Has an unorthodox stature.
3. Has mastered all seven lightsaber forms to a greater degree than PoD Bane.

Bane had only superior Force skills and faintly comparable technical mastery, and he was driving the blademaster back. Yoda has the edge in practically every conceivable category. I might give Kas'im better technical knowledge; but it won't be enough, any more than it would be enough against Bane.

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Your primary counter-arguments:

1. Bane has greater speed feats than Yoda - again, you're assuming that Sirak > the trio, based on literally nothing but dismissing accolades you find inconvenient and parroting even vaguer ones in Sirak's favor. As powerful as he may be,

he had just learned Force lightning and could only generate a few sparks.

He's an apprentice. That he is more powerful than many (weak) sith masters is irrelevant; AotC Anakin is more powerful than many Jedi Masters, but he would get tooled effortlessly by Kit Fisto.

2. Kasi'm has greater technical mastery than Yoda - even if this were true, it's to a significantly smaller degree than he had against Bane...and he needed to pull out jar'kai to get the advantage. You're trumpeting a very minor technical edge over Yoda's massive advantage in the Force.

3. ...that's it.

The "No."s were in response to the implicit point you were making, not the existence of the quote.

Right. Because being a powerful apprentice puts you above three extraordinarily powerful Jedi Masters...because you say so?

He had just learned lightning, for f*ck's sake!

Note that Ploo Koon impulsively generated electric judgment out of his arse. These masters are out of his league here, just like how they're out of even AotC Anakin's league. He had enormous potential - too bad he picked the wrong guy to mess with.

No..

damn, the ignorance to believe sirak > agen kolar/saesee tiin/kit fisto

Is Kas'im near light speed?
Is Bane near light speed?
Is Sirak near light speed?

No-one is near lightspeed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No-one is near lightspeed.

Mace's fight with Palpatine had "lightspeed ricochets"
Mace appeared to hold over "dozens" of blades to a Jedi who can see sublight ships (respectable fraction of the speed of light ) in slow motion.
Appears as a blur to Anakin.
Has swung his blade faster than Jedi can see.

Ian is also consistently faster than Samuel on screen.

The lightspeed ricochets refers to the Force. 'The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent.'

No it didn't since Anakin wasn't in the room to watch the fight, and he can't watch sublight speed ship in slow motion.

Well, it's stated that even the worst student at the Korriban Academy is better than an average Sith Lord in the brotherhood. Siraak was by far the best student and could end most other students in seconds.

Bane by PoD could have ended his battle with Siraak within the first volley of blades, but decided to drag out the battle. Kas'im is still quite the better duelist than Bane at this point. He's good.

But he's still no match for Yoda. Da-da-da!

Yoda was given the highest saber ranking of 9. He dominates Kas'im 10/10.

Originally posted by ?YLLAER
No..

Concession accepted.

Yoda would kick Kas'im's ass for sure. Yoda is superior to POD Bane by a very large margin, and Bane in turn was beating Kas'im until he popped out the other saber which, by the way, Kas'im purposely didn't teach Bane how to counter. Chances are if he had taught him that, even the dual sabers wouldn't have been enough to have the edge over Bane. Kas'im's good, but he's definitely not even close to Yoda.

Yoda mastered Ataru to its highest levels. Yoda moves faster than any jedi besides Luke. His force potential rivals Darth Vader's and we know Vader has done some INSANE TK. He had Sidious TRYING TO RUN from him. Kasim is good with sabers, but gets WTFpwned in the Force. Yoda shouldn't even need to draw his saber when dueling Kasim. Yoda can just rip through Kasims force shield. If Yoda can rip through Sidious' Force Shield and blast a Push at him, he can surely do the same to a far weaker, slower Kasim.

Sidious> Kasim
Dooku>Kasim
ROTS Anakin>Kasim
Kenobi>Kasim
Windu>Kasim
Maul>Kasim
Exar Kun>Kasim

And Yoda is a better duelist than all of these candidates, save for Sidious, who he is roughly equal to.

Could Yoda rip through his force shield? Kas'im was able to block an attack 'had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid.'

Originally posted by Nephthys
Could Yoda rip through his force shield? Kas'im was able to block an attack 'had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid.'


Are you saying that Yoda is weaker than Bane in the Force?

Yoda beats Bane in the Force. Its not a WTFpwn, but Bane does not have what Yoda has. Yoda has absorbed more powerful lightning and fought better duelists (Sidious and Dooku). And Kasim is a blade master. Bane likely didn't work on his Force abilities because he was working on his blade work. Correct me if i'm wrong though. Haven't read the Bane novels, but I have read his Wookiepedia page.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Could Yoda rip through his force shield? Kas'im was able to block an attack 'had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid.'

Weren't they on a dark side nexus?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Could Yoda rip through his force shield? Kas'im was able to block an attack 'had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid.'

Yoda throws around multi-ton objects. So I'd say it's a safe bet to say he could.

Never in the movies. Never has it been shown that Yoda has been able to hold a candle to the things Kas'im has done.

Kas'im blocked a ATTACK STRONG ENOUGH TO DESTROY A TEMPLE AND SHATTER SOMEONES BONES!. Yoda could BARLEY LIFT UP A PILLAR OR THROW AROUND A POD!.

Kas'im is also a better duelist and won't get tired as easy.

Why the movies only and not include all the other material from the EU?

mmm

Kas'im 10/10, unless he stands in the archway.