Havok vs Cyclops Who has the stronger blasts

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golem370
Who wins?

LeonBuco666
Cyclops

Digi
Havok and how is this even a question?

guy222
=

golem370
Because people believe they close equal or even Cyclops can win.

guy222
Evil Cyke yes

Uriel005
= if not for cykes mental hangups. But overall I'd take havok over cyclops because he can multidirectional fire.

Sixth_Winged
Cyke has better blasting feats. Havok has better versatility.

BlackWind
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Cyke has better blasting feats. Havok has better versatility.

I side with this guy with no opinion of my own.

Mshinu
IIRC Sinister said Havok is more powerful but Cyke got beter control.

golem370
Which makes sense

golem370
Havok absorbs energy to make him more power does Cyclops?

LeonBuco666
Cyke is more accurate and is close to havok, but havok has the potential to have far more powerful

Sixth_Winged
Sinister might be an expert on genetics but in this case Feats>>> Narration/Monologue. Havok simply doesnt have feats to match Cyke's assortment of feats displaying his blasts potency since whedon's astonishing.

Sure he can absorb a star or so but that amp isnt readily available.

golem370
Well where he looks is where he should hit so he should be more accurate

abhilegend
Havok, easily.

-Pr-
Cyclops, because Havok is shit.

wolverinos
Cyclops easily, more powerful blasts and overall better control of his powers.

LeonBuco666
Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops, because Havok is shit.
Thought mods were against such answers? Or have you just overruled it simply because you can?



Also, untill Scott relieves himself of those mental blocks so he cant use his powers to the fullest he can, we really cant say, but its fair to say Scott is more effective in battle.
Quickness, accuracy and great power not far of havoks >>> poor accuracy compared to scott, poor speed(charging up energy) and not being that far ahead in terms of feats in power
All in all, Scott is Havoks superior IMHO

wolverinos
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Thought mods were against such answers? Or have you just overruled it simply because you can?



Also, untill Scott relieves himself of those mental blocks so he cant use his powers to the fullest he can, we really cant say, but its fair to say Scott is more effective in battle.
Quickness, accuracy and great power not far of havoks >>> poor accuracy compared to scott, poor speed(charging up energy) and not being that far ahead in terms of feats in power
All in all, Scott is Havoks superior IMHO

Cyclops doesnt need to discover his fullest potential to supress havok.
he does it with his average portrayal.

-Pr-
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Thought mods were against such answers? Or have you just overruled it simply because you can?



Also, untill Scott relieves himself of those mental blocks so he cant use his powers to the fullest he can, we really cant say, but its fair to say Scott is more effective in battle.
Quickness, accuracy and great power not far of havoks >>> poor accuracy compared to scott, poor speed(charging up energy) and not being that far ahead in terms of feats in power
All in all, Scott is Havoks superior IMHO

It's not a mod ruling, just my opinion.

LeonBuco666
Fair enough.

golem370
Cyclops is going to show to be stronger because he is a leader while Havok is a follower but I do believe is more powerful.

LeonBuco666
In an actual fight Scott would beat Havok very fast and very easy.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
In an actual fight Scott would beat Havok very fast and very easy. In h2h?

golem370
Scott is lucky he can't feel Havok powers because he would be burned alive

LeonBuco666
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
In h2h? yeah, thats the only way they could fight, IIRC there powers cancel each others out, scott is the better at H2H, strategist and mental stability

golem370
But this isn't a fight its a thread to determine who has the more powerful blast

-Pr-
Cyclops has better h2h skills and tactical/strategic thinking in general, tbh.

LeonBuco666
I was just stating that scott would win in actual fight regardless of the more powerful blasts

wolverinos
Cyclops also has insane damage soak, one of my favorite scenes is in X factor he is trying to calm wolverine and rationally talking to him, then wolverine takes a swing at him and punch him in the face, you see cyclops with bruised face doesnt even flinch and keeps talking with the same tone like nothing happened.... thats whats up with the man.

LeonBuco666
There have been times were Scott has only has human level durability, on average he only has human level stats, the brains and OB's are which make him so tough.

wolverinos
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
There have been times were Scott has only has human level durability, on average he only has human level stats, the brains and OB's are which make him so tough.

Cyclops always took things a human cant.
he was hurt but he kept fighting, he took blasts, he took shots, he even went H2H with wolverine and he actually sent wolverine flying with a punch.
can you imagine a human fist colliding into an adamantium skull? and he knocked wolverine backwards.
Cyclops while being hurt from all the things stated can endure them and keep going, his will power and damage soak are insane for any human being.

LeonBuco666
But it still stands physically he's not say, Caps level who is peak human.

LeonBuco666
Although he's not far behind, he's still a few levels behind him.

wolverinos
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
But it still stands physically he's not say, Caps level who is peak human.

Cap is not peak human, the things Cap has done are well above what a human can ever dream of achieving.

Cyclops is a tough one, strength wise? he is athleticly strong.
speed and reflex? judging by his performance in the danger room and overall fights he is a high athletic caliber.
but damage soak? i think he makes it to the peak human category, the things this guy can endure and keep going are insane.
what works for him very well also are his skills, he is very skilled H2H fighter, hang with wolverine, defeated a superhumanly strong mutant in first class, defeated 5 guys attacking him, there was a situation when bishop went crazy and knocked off beast, cyclops took him down and restrained him.
i think if we put all his physical abilities combined, he is not far behind a peak human.

LeonBuco666
Ive just said that, and you do realize cap has a lot of pis in his issues,
But its clearly stated he's as fast, strong, durable etc as a top athlete.
Ie as fast as the fastest human, as strong as the strongest human, he's peak human street leveler.

wolverinos
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Ive just said that, and you do realize cap has a lot of pis in his issues,
But its clearly stated he's as fast, strong, durable etc as a top athlete.
Ie as fast as the fastest human, as strong as the strongest human, he's peak human street leveler.

Lol only thing with Cap is, 90% of his performance put him above a peak human and portray him as super human so how can all that be a PIS?
if i have to choose between 90% of his showings or some bio? i think i will go with the showings.
isnt it just easier to believe in the majority of the showings than some BIO?

Ambient
Havok no contest.

And whoever said that Havok has poor accuracy, I call BS.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/297/xf100in7.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/462/xf100bys9.jpg/

Let see Cyke do that.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Ambient
Havok no contest.

And whoever said that Havok has poor accuracy, I call BS.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/297/xf100in7.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/462/xf100bys9.jpg/

Let see Cyke do that.
thumb up

Havok has beaten people like Hulk and Vulcan. Cyclops has beaten.......umm?

wolverinos
cyclops never goes full power and fancy with his powers. he is too responsible and uses only the amount he needs,
precisely and accurately.
however when he goes GOML i truly believe his power output to be greater.
he took out the santinal with a huge portion of the forest.
he broke that huge krakan in half, made wolverine himself be like "wtf".
he also overloaded bishop the guy who took blasts from nimrod, and anyone he faced to this day without getting overloaded.
also recently when he shot Captain America with a not full powered optic blast, Cap was defending with the shield and he actually made Cap fly back, i dont need to tell you what are the abilities of Caps shield and why its an awesome feat.

as i pointed out the difference between havok and cyce is the fact havok more arrogant and willing to show off.
cyke is more responsible and only used greater portions of his powers when needed.

Also i would like to remind the case with WWH, Cyclops was concentrating his blast on WWH and actually pilling his skin off and it took some time until WWH was able to overcome the blast and reach cyclops.
why is it so great? we all know that WWH had an even greater healing factor than usually.
and with all that Scott's blast was damaging him faster than he could heal himself because his skin was going off.

anyone who keeps a closer eye on those 2 will realise Cyclops is just overall the more powerful between the 2 brothers.

LeonBuco666
Originally posted by wolverinos
Lol only thing with Cap is, 90% of his performance put him above a peak human and portray him as super human so how can all that be a PIS?
if i have to choose between 90% of his showings or some bio? i think i will go with the showings.
isnt it just easier to believe in the majority of the showings than some BIO? A biomessed it is clearly stated in his early issues.
And the same with batman? He's a human street leveler, caos his peak human albeit yes edging onto superhuman but all due to PiS

wolverinos
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
A biomessed it is clearly stated in his early issues.
And the same with batman? He's a human street leveler, caos his peak human albeit yes edging onto superhuman but all due to PiS

there is a very clear difference between captain america feats and batman feats.
Cap is obviously above human and anything a human can ever achieve.
batman does not have many feats that put him above peak human at all.

the complete majority of Caps feats easily put him at super human levels as far as strength.
i know that at the beginning of his career Cap was suppose to be a super human.
however it was changed consistently thruought the years and for the past 20 years already Cap is a clear super human by feats.

if you want to call someone PIS just because it contredicts what initially was planned than most characters are PIS.
hell juggernaut at first was portrayed as someone who loses his powers once his helmet is off.
batman was just a detective... things evolve with time.
Cap is a clear super human.
Batman is Peak human at best, sometimes he gets outmatched by very strong thugs so sometimes its hard to even call him peak human.
Cap on the other hand consistently way above any human.

Ambient
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Sinister might be an expert on genetics but in this case Feats>>> Narration/Monologue. Havok simply doesnt have feats to match Cyke's assortment of feats displaying his blasts potency since whedon's astonishing.
Ahm! Have to say u're very wrong on that. If u read Xfactor series, there's plenty evidence in there + recent appearance.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Quickness, accuracy and great power not far of havoks >>> poor accuracy compared to scott, poor speed(charging up energy) and not being that far ahead in terms of feats in power
All in all, Scott is Havoks superior IMHO
Again what's up with this poor accuracy??? Have u guys been reading anything of related to Havok or are u just guess speculating??

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/120/xmen180bcc0.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/297/xf100in7.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/462/xf100bys9.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/83/precisionld5.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/83/precisionld5.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/precision3is6.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/469/theincrediblehulkv21501bk5.jpg/

This are precision/accurate energy projecting proficiency skills of Havok from diff version/era, which means this is norm showing for him. heck I don't think Scott's blasting accuracy can top those. So really I don't see where u got the idea of Alex "poor accuracy".

Poor Speed (charging) --- Really??.... Can u post some evidence in regard to this findings???

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/101/vswerewolf6lw1.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/vswerewolf5xk0.jpg/

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Uncanny_X-Men_218-02.jpg
http://s78.photobucket.com/user/Rewmac/media/Scans/Havok/Uncanny_X-Men_218-03.jpg.html

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/uxm59pg16.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/136/vswerewolf2em6.jpg/

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/Uncanny_X-Men_476_004.jpg

http://imageshack.us/f/216/uncannyx478xv4.jpg/

If you take a look at the scan I posted, those where almost near instant/quick reflex which require him to activate his power instantly but no hint of charging or to be precise poor charging unlike you pointed out. There is even a multi directional blast ex. In there. So like I said where u'd get the idea that he needs to charge or be more technical poor charging?
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
In an actual fight Scott would beat Havok very fast and very easy.
Lol! How. Specially when at times Havok has been shown to actually able to hurt Cyke with his powers.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Havok/__hr_Page15.jpg

Also Havok pretty much always gets the upper hand every time they fight. Again how do u conclude that it'd be a fast and easy match for Cyke?? And Havok has one advantage, he can eternalized his energy manipulation ability amphing in the process..

StiltmanFTW
Havok, easily.

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