Dante v.s. Sangiunius

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Takes place on the bridge of a battlebarge, basic knowledge is on.

NemeBro
lol

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I'm not sure I understand your stance.

NemeBro
Laugh out loud.

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What has caused you such mirth?

NemeBro
Your mother.

Charlotte DeBel
That's the vs I wanted to see sooo often.
But that is not the best idea I have.

Like Bring Here A Couple of Big Khorne Favored Bloodthristers and see who of those two blonde divas is faster in dispatching one. Straight up fight is a waste of Primarch/demon/human/whatever resources.

Oh. And Sanguinius is maybe third or second best Primarch in HTH. What weaponry is permitted here, cause Sanguinius may carry around a vortex grenade or two if that's the case?
Or is it "Rebellion and guns vs a sword of the Angel of Emperor"?

NemeBro
Sanguinius' standard gear seems to be nothing more than one of the most advanced suits of Artificier armor in the setting (Rivaled only by his brothers of course) and a master-crafted Force Sword he uses to channel his psychic power through.

Charlotte DeBel
Yamato works on the same principle as Yiriel's spear or Dorn's artifact Vortex spear but it's not "standard gear" so it's off picture here.

Let's presume "Standard gear for both", DMC2 Dante incarnation with "composite" feats.
The game breaker here is that DMC2 incarnation showed to be able to freeze single objects in time (Time Heart) as opposed to DMC3/DMC1 slowing time down in the particular area.
That would be akin to Necron stasis fields, and I'm afraid Sanguinius never faced that in his career).
Dante also has the advantage of being smaller and more agile combatant (unless he goes Majin where he becomes the same height or taller than Sanguinius) and in relatively limited space of Battle Barge bridge this is a great advantage.
Rebellion can cut through regenerating concrete like paper:
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But will it be enough to cut through Warhammer-grade adamantium? That's doubtful.

And I still demand this vs be turned into Bloodthrister punching/slicing contest with Eldar farseer porn as a prize to the contestants?

NemeBro
I'm frankly not sure how Dante really intends to do any significant damage to Sanguinius.

Charlotte DeBel
See my doubts about cutting Artificier armour also. Also - see retarded durability feats of Konrad Curze - who is among physically weakest ones (while Sanguinius is one of physically strongest).
I don't see "standard equipment on standard equipment" Dante's chances as particularly good. Rebellion is just another fancy Force Sword here. Guns? The Primarchs LOL at point blank meltas to head.

Also - see what Fulgrim did to the Avatar, then replicate on smaller more agile target. Sanguinius has more chances simply because I don't see how Dante's standard equipment does anything to his adamantium armor.

NemeBro
Konrad Curze is actually pretty physically strong.

In a brawl, he overpowered Lion El'Jonson and was threatening to strangle him. He also overpowers Corax in a direct contest of strength, who had just overpowered and dominated Lorgar in combat. He of course also nearly murdered Dorn with his bare hands. He seems to have lunatic strength. He's probably not on the level of the larger and more physically powerful Primarchs, like Vulkan, Ferrus Manus, Magnus, Leman Russ, or Angron, but he's no weakling.

Compounding the sheer physical advantage Sanguinius has is a not insubstantial healing factor. Fulgrim once had his bare foot melted to the bone, and it healed in a few moments good as new. Fulgrim also ripped his own dick off. This is relevant.

Sanguinius also appears to be the third or fourth mightiest psyker among the Primarchs, under Magnus, Lorgar, and arguably Fulgrim after his fall. Along with his precognitive dreams, he of course can power a force sword, but more than that demonstrated enough psychic strength to slow a massive, like 11 kilometer starship and hold it together when it plummeted through the atmosphere of a world and crash landed. It was intact enough to be repaired later. He can also amplify his prowess in combat in martial combat, shining with a golden light that enhances all of his physical abilities (He put this power to great use against Ka'Bhanda and Kyriss, impaling the latter with a sword throw, and wrapping the former up with its own whip before breaking its wing and throwing it through a portal into the Warp).

Charlotte DeBel
That's why I think that combat thread is slightly spitey (even if Time Heart works, Dante still has to cut through Primarch's armor which I don't view as easy) and thus the Bloodthrister punching contest is the best and funniest way to kill time for noble warriors.

Sanguinius was always regarded to be second or third best Primarch in combat. By ANYONE of his brothers.
Konrad is relatively impressive ("weakling" by Primarch standards, called that by Vulcan who said that he and many others jobbed to Konrad in sparrings so that not to make him even more emo), and speakin' of weaklings... Personally I consider Lorgar to be one of the weakest ones (pre-Heresy stats, no Daemon-Princehood and other amps).

StealthRanger
Sanguinius snaps Dante in half

Any Primarch could pretty much sodomise any named DMC character

Nobody there stacks up to the Primarchs in strength, durability, DC and reactions and other such fun stuff

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At first I thought it was this Dante.


Anyway, Sangiunius stomps.

ArtificialGlory
The durability of Primarchs is in a bit of a nebulous realm to me. Sure, Mistah Kurtz demonstrated insane durability even as a baby, but he was later decapitated by a mere human. Sanguinius was threatened by mere humans as a baby, Angron was on the verge of being killed by humans when he was saved by the Emperor. The token black Primarch's life was seriously threatened by the prospect of falling into a volcano.

There are probably more examples, but these are from the top of my head.

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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The durability of Primarchs is in a bit of a nebulous realm to me. Sure, Mistah Kurtz demonstrated insane durability even as a baby, but he was later decapitated by a mere human. Sanguinius was threatened by mere humans as a baby, Angron was on the verge of being killed by humans when he was saved by the Emperor. The token black Primarch's life was seriously threatened by the prospect of falling into a volcano.

There are probably more examples, but these are from the top of my head. M Shen had a C'tan phase blade.

StealthRanger
Said human was an assassin wielding a C'Tan phase blade, which ignores durability and defenses thumb up

Angron's army was being starved from constant warfare, Vulkan was younger and weakened at the time, plus volcanic eruptions are typically several hundred megatons anyways

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Said human was an assassin wielding a C'Tan phase blade, which ignores durability and defenses thumb up

Angron's army was being starved from constant warfare, Vulkan was younger and weakened at the time, plus volcanic eruptions are typically several hundred megatons anyways

Oh, right. Missed that.

So? Most armies suffer attrition, and he's a goddamn Primarch.

Vulcan was weakened by hanging over a ledge for a couple of hours while holding on to a huge lizard-creature. Impressive, but not terribly so. Also, I don't remember anything about the volcano threatening to erupt. Vulcan merely falling into it would likely have been fatal.

EDIT: Apparently Angron tried to escape quite a few times from his masters, but was always re-captured like a dog.

Charlotte DeBel
As my boyfriend said "Primarchs' durability feats are almost as plot-dependent as Orks' ones, they go from being threatened by normal humans with human weaponry to ripping Bloodthristers in halves on the whim" but "since the fight is on Battle Barge Sanguinius gains +100500 to his Pathos Aura and incinerates Dante with it merely by being a friggin' Primarch on a friggin' Battle Barge since that's how Warhammer works".

NemeBro
"Normal humans with human weaponry" lol.

It's almost like stupid people forget that the Imperial Guard can field a missile in the core game that has greater yield than any nuclear bomb ever created IRL.

Charlotte DeBel
I don't talk about gigaton weapons, I talk about Angron incident.
And I know that putting a character from urban fantasy series against a character from "uberscale sci-fi series" practically always looks ugly for first.
That's why I asked about standard equipment and agreed that Sanguinius wins that more often than not - cause "non-standard" equipment for him can involve anything from Emperor's armory that can reasonably classify as personal combat weapon.

NemeBro
The Angron incident?

That world was one of the more highly advanced worlds the Imperium found, and indeed, didn't require much effort to make it compliant by Imperial standards.

You will note that the story you are citing also happens to feature a young Angron butchering an Eldar kill team with his bare hands.

Charlotte DeBel
Originally posted by NemeBro
The Angron incident?

That world was one of the more highly advanced worlds the Imperium found, and indeed, didn't require much effort to make it compliant by Imperial standards.

You will note that the story you are citing also happens to feature a young Angron butchering an Eldar kill team with his bare hands.
I don't defend Dante here, LOL.
He loses. Standard equipment - nothing he has can properly hurt Sanguinius.
Non-standard equipment - Dante gets vaporised in microsecond by random Dark Age of Technologies artifact from Emperor's armory. That thread was spite from the start and I don't know which purposes it serves other than trolling us, Dante fans (me and Blood Rain).
Though TBH Kharn vs Mercer is even higher spite.

NemeBro
Calm down.

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