Which is a bigger reality warping feat?

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Golgo13
Legion's/box feat.
Pandora merging the DC, WS, and Vertigo universes.
Or Dharma merging Milestone into the DCU?

operator616
Pandora, definitely, though she didn't do it alone.

Galan007
Legion mucked with a universe.
Dharma created a universe, and merged it with the mainstream DC universe.
Pandora merged 3 separate multiverses into a singular multiverse.

Barry's help or not, Pandora's feat is several infinite orders of magnitude beyond the other two.

Uriel005
Originally posted by Galan007
Legion mucked with a universe.
Dharma created a universe, and merged it with the mainstream DC universe.
Pandora merged 3 separate multiverses into a singular multiverse.

Barry's help or not, Pandora's feat is several infinite orders of magnitude beyond the other two. Kinda sorta? I mean Barry was the one who cracked it solo IIRC she just used him to put it back together so we know where the energy is coming from the don't know enough about Dharma but at least legion did it on his own. That is to say if they are all 3d Printers they are all top of the line but Pandora got a solo nuclear plant to power hers while Legion got the wall outlet.

TheGodKiller
Legion's.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
Legion mucked with a universe.
Dharma created a universe, and merged it with the mainstream DC universe.
Pandora merged 3 separate multiverses into a singular multiverse.

Barry's help or not, Pandora's feat is several infinite orders of magnitude beyond the other two.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

Pandora merged 3 separate multiverses into a singular multiverse.
Anyone got scans of this? This is pretty uber, I'd like to see how it was illustrated.

abhilegend
Pandora created an omniverse since DCnU has been confirmed as omniverse several times across several titles like superman and hawkman.

operator616
it was never stated that it was 3 multiverses, but wildstorm, vertigo and DC are 3 separate multiverses (i posted this a while back, here it is again):

Pandora merged them together in flashpoint #5:

http://i.imgur.com/wVG3gKc.jpg

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DC in 2011 had a multiverse (everyone knows that)


VERTIGO: it contains countless universes:

lucifer #37

http://i.imgur.com/qYnOJ1z.jpg

each mirror resembles a universe, and there are countless mirrors

http://i.imgur.com/H7UopQl.jpg

this is also confirmed when we see an alternate version of cal, lucifer #39

http://i.imgur.com/95E4goS.jpg


WILDSTORM: it contains a multiverse, planatery #1:

http://i.imgur.com/bZt6BET.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VwmWNPj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3pan7df.jpg

^this is confirmed multiple times.

Interview confirmation that pandora merged DC, wildstorm and vertigo:

http://comicsalliance.com/faq-dc-comics-new-52/


So merging DC + wildstorm + vertigo = merging 3 multiverses.

Mr Master
Originally posted by abhilegend
Pandora created an omniverse since DCnU has been confirmed as
omniverse several times across several titles like superman and hawkman.
What's an 'omniverse' in DC?

Marvel defines its, ... does DC do the same?

abhilegend
DCnU is an omniverse now.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14098868/15.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13364977/Superman-Zone-015.jpg.html

It was also referenced in hawkman.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
What's an 'omniverse' in DC?

Marvel defines its, ... does DC do the same?
I'm not the cosmic expert around here. Maybe galan can answer it.

Mr Master
Originally posted by abhilegend

I'm not the cosmic expert around here.
So it could just as easily be 3 multiverses, or 3 universes.
Originally posted by operator616

Interview confirmation that pandora merged DC, wildstorm and vertigo:

http://comicsalliance.com/faq-dc-comics-new-52/

So merging DC + wildstorm + vertigo = merging 3 multiverses.
But according to this interview it was 3 universes merged:

"There are still plenty of questions that still have no answers: Who
separated the DC Universe into three? How did this separation occur
when Swamp Thing showed up in the pre-Flashpoint Brightest Day?
How did the separated Wildstorm timeline become its own alternate
universe? Why does Grifter rate a spot next to Cyborg, Batman,
Wonder Woman and Superman? Why does merging the history of
these three universes make everyone younger? Why does Barry
remember everything about his life in the Flashpoint timeline?"

Perhaps this Pandora thingy was a retconing of sorts?

I also read that the single DC Timeline was splintered into 3 Timelines,
so, it doesn't seem like DC, Wildstorm nor Vertigo were ever complete Timelines,
or multiverses .. according to this interview.

operator616
it was never retconned. However, the term 'universe' may have well been used to describe dc as a whole, wildstorm as a whole, and vertigo as a whole.

they are definitely mutiverses (i could show you MANY other vertigo titles which contain a multiverse of their own)

which is why the bleed separates different multiverses (final crisis: secret origins files):

http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1

Also, for what it's worth, i read a while back a marvunapp page which says that DC terms (like omniverse. etc...) are the same as marvel's, im searching for it but i can't find it.

On panel, DC in itself has never referenced multiple multiverses, nor does it have an official definition for the omniverse, it has however, a definition for a meta-verse which is > multiverse.

Galan007
At any given point there are several million universes that collide within an omniversal nexus point in the DCnU:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16401790/1.jpg.html

Suffice to say: the actual number of universes that comprise the entirety of DCnU would be much, much greater. So even IF you believe that Pandora only merged 3 separate universes originally, she still turned those 3 universes into an omniverse that is comprised of millions, upon millions of universes(at the very least.)

Any way you cut it, her feat is far beyond the other characters in this thread.

Mr Master
^^ @opr616 ... Yea, I thought about that later on, and I agree.

As for what the DC 'omniverse' is now, sites won't cut it.

Marvunapp's is awesome for detailed information, I luv em,
but even they have they're errors, and several pages needing updates,
specifically they're definition of 'omniverse'
which is still stuck in that momentary period in 2005
when Marvel joined the general idea.
As we know, Marvel quickly changed that in 2006, when their reality
became a sole omniverse like before.

So I'd have to see on panel or handbook definitions directly from DC books.

*edit* ... Did Pandora turn all of DC into one multiverse?
How many metaverses are they?

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

At any given point there are several million universes that collide
within an omniversal nexus point in the DCnU:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16401790/1.jpg.html

"omniversal?"

Galan007
That room is a nexus point where all universes in DC's creation intersect.

So yes, omniversal nexus point.

Jynocidus
prolly megaversal

Cogito
Originally posted by Mr Master
"omniversal?"

Does the term matter here? Whether you call it an omniverse or not, it's millions of universes at minimum. That's millions more than either of the other two players here.

Galan007
Originally posted by Cogito
Does the term matter here? Whether you call it an omniverse or not, it's millions of universes at minimum. That's millions more than either of the other two players here. Remember, the "several million universes" statement was just in reference to the amount of universes that were colliding around them at any given point-- not the total amount of universes in DC's omniverse.

But yeah, either way Pandora's feat is still millions of times more impressive than the others'.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Galan007
Remember, the "several million universes" statement was just in reference to the amount of universes that were colliding around them at any given point-- not the total amount of universes in DC's omniverse.

But yeah, either way Pandora's feat is still millions of times more impressive than the others'.

What about Dharma's and Legions? Who is overall more powerful?

Galan007
Those would be the "others" I was referring to. Their feats don't even remotely compare to Pandora's, imo.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Galan007
Those would be the "others" I was referring to. Their feats don't even remotely compare to Pandora's, imo.

No, I meant which one of the 2 was more uber?

Galan007
I don't recall all the specifics of Legion's feat, so I cannot accurately comment on whether or not his feat was more impressive than Dharma's.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Cogito

Does the term matter here? Whether you call it an omniverse or
not, it's millions of universes at minimum. That's millions more than
either of the other two players here.
I agree. I just didn't read the term 'omniverse' in that scan.

If it is an 'omniversal nexus' ...
then DC is composed of several million universes it seems in that story.

Which is cool, just wanted to know.

Uriel005
Pandora's feat is the best in terms of achievement. But how much of it was her doing and how much of it was Barry powering her machinations is up for debate imo. She's still hella strong on her own but until she does something really big solo without any aids I can't say how strong she is in comparison to Legion. Again I don't know enough about Dharma to judge on that end so I'll leave that one alone.

Bouboumaster
Thanos in Marvel: The End

Golgo13
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Thanos in Marvel: The End

Is not in the thread. Learn to read.

Uriel005
Originally posted by Golgo13
Is not in the thread. Learn to read. Golgo chill and stop being such a boob. It's legit stick out tongue

Golgo13
Originally posted by Uriel005
Golgo chill and stop being such a boob. It's legit stick out tongue

We're discussing specific reality warping feats. BTW, if you have anything to add on Legion's (Who nobody discussed) please do.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by Golgo13
Is not in the thread. Learn to read.

I don't care. Thanos ftw.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I don't care. Thanos ftw.

I dont care either.

Mindset
Whatever feat is done by a Marvel character.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Thanos in Marvel: The End yep.

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