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Rank them in durability.

1. Blunt Force
2. Energy
3. Piercing

Go!

Bait thread. If someone ranks WW higher than superman, you will take over any debate with low showings of WW and the highest you can find for superman. Why create this type of thread when we know who you will defend to the end? Let me train you how to make superman shine the right way.

Blunt: Wondy because of bracers
Energy: Wondy because no weakarse vulnerabilities
Piercing: Wondy because of bracers

1 and 2- pretty close. Their types of durability are a bit different- Superman's harder to hurt in the first place but WW has faster recovery and is good at ignoring major wounds like impalement.

3- Superman, clearly.

(Unless you count bracers, in which case, as Mshinu)


Official in-universe word from Checkmate is they're in the same tier.

Originally posted by Q99
WW has faster recovery and is good at ignoring major wounds like impalement.

Evidence? I haven't seen any feats of recovery from Diana to match Clark's healing factor.

Also, some evidence of Wonder Woman ignoring major injuries would be nice as I've seen Wonder Woman's life in serious risk from a gun shot wound to the stomach. Medusa cut her side at one point in their fight and Diana survived but still looked like she was seriously hurting IIRC. During Morrison's run she even ran the risk of having a heartache and was in bad shape from that simulation fight. She obviously has endurance beyond any normal human but proportionally speaking but Superman does too. I'm sure you can dig up some scans or instances.

Also, completely disagreed on 1 and 2 being close. Imho, that is outright ridiculous and silly based on direct evidence and individual feats. I'm not saying Diana is weak by any means but Clark can crush her bones by squeezing too tight and so on.

Supes in all.

I don't even see the point of comparing them tbh.

If we count the Bracers, obviously WW since they are made of a skyfather item.

Without the bracers Superman in all three, and it's not close (especially 3).

Killer Croc is more durable than WW when it comes to piercing attacks...

No bracers obviously.

Originally posted by JBL
Bait thread. If someone ranks WW higher than superman, you will take over any debate with low showings of WW and the highest you can find for superman. Why create this type of thread when we know who you will defend to the end? Let me train you how to make superman shine the right way.
I will only bring up side by side comparison.Originally posted by Q99
1 and 2- pretty close. Their types of durability are a bit different- Superman's harder to hurt in the first place but WW has faster recovery and is good at ignoring major wounds like impalement.

3- Superman, clearly.

(Unless you count bracers, in which case, as Mshinu)


Official in-universe word from Checkmate is they're in the same tier.
Haha, seriously? How is wonder woman faster in recovery? Crucifer nearly killed her with a sword and an imperiex probe did the same and she needed purple ray to heal her. I'm not sure I've seen any healing feat from her.

Also should I bring her actual side by side comparison in durability to him? Here is a sample.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16716232_JLA_-_Our_Worlds_At_War_pg13.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16716233_JLA_-_Our_Worlds_At_War_pg17.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16716242_Wonder_Woman_v2_172_pg04.jpg

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16716234_Superman_v2_172_-_15.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16716236_Superman_v2_172_-_16.jpg

Also look at how she ignores impalement

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16716397_jla-96-21.jpg

Several days later and after purple ray healing

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16716430_JLA98-12.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
No bracers obviously.


I will only bring up side by side comparison.
Haha, seriously? How is wonder woman faster in recovery? Crucifer nearly killed her with a sword and an imperiex probe did the same and she needed purple ray to heal her. I'm not sure I've seen any healing feat from her.

Also should I bring her actual side by side comparison in durability to him? Here is a sample.


Counterpoint: In JLA: Obsidian Age, Superman took longer than WW to recover after they were brought back to life.

Uhhh I'd also like to know how is WW faster in recovery?
Why are people acting as if she has a healing factor?

Even if that's the case (seriously does anyone have any examples of WW's recoveries?) Supes and his yellow sunlight absorbing physiology is faster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Counterpoint: In JLA: Obsidian Age, Superman took longer than WW to recover after they were brought back to life.
Did he? They were all weakened.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Did he? They were all weakened.

They were, and maybe the writer wanted to focus on Superman exclusively, but he was standing there, saying words to the effect of 'give me a minute, the sun is strong today'.

Whereas WW didn't have any such statement. Like I said, maybe the writer was deliberately focussing on Supes unfairly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They were, and maybe the writer wanted to focus on Superman exclusively, but he was standing there, saying words to the effect of 'give me a minute, the sun is strong today'.

Whereas WW didn't have any such statement. Like I said, maybe the writer was deliberately focussing on Supes unfairly.
Superman was dead for 3000 years and he needs solar energy to get up to his everyday level. Wonder woman doesn't. The fact that he was stronger than her at even that level shows just how fast his recovery is.

Was he stronger than her at that level? Its been a while, I'll dig them out when I get home....

Way I see it, the recovery rate only seems higher for Diana, because her 'tank', as it were, is smaller than Superman's.

As for this thread,

Originally posted by Mshinu
Blunt: Wondy because of bracers
Energy: Superman
Piercing: Wondy because of bracers

Fixed. By energy, I mean large fields that can bypass the bracers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fixed. By energy, I mean large fields that can bypass the bracers.

Wondy blocking Destruction multiplied to the Infinite Power. :P

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/998152-ww21deflection40gj.jpg

Yah, but she deflected it with her bracers - art be damned!!

Superman in all 3.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was he stronger than her at that level? Its been a while, I'll dig them out when I get home....

Way I see it, the recovery rate only seems higher for Diana, because her 'tank', as it were, is smaller than Superman's.

As for this thread,



Fixed. By energy, I mean large fields that can bypass the bracers.
Yes, he seemed stronger than her.

Or that she doesn't need to store energy to get at a point.Originally posted by Mshinu
Wondy blocking Destruction multiplied to the Infinite Power. :P

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/998152-ww21deflection40gj.jpg
Which only destroyed a mountain.

Originally posted by JBL
Bait thread. If someone ranks WW higher than superman, you will take over any debate with low showings of WW and the highest you can find for superman. Why create this type of thread when we know who you will defend to the end? Let me train you how to make superman shine the right way.

I like this was quoted, acknowledged and then ignored a few spaces down in the same post.

Well, obviously being impaled through the middle of the chest is still going to do some major damage, even for Demeter's blessing (the source of her healing factor)!

It's not Wolverine-level healing mind you (or maybe, 80s Wolverine level), but the gift of Demeter means she has a history of taking fairly major injury and then being in near-top shape just a little while later. Eyes of the Gorgon, getting impaled through the side didn't require breaking out the purple ray.

Like the Sacrifice storyline, about an hour later she was facing high-level foes again and was having fun while doing so, she wasn't even tired.


Way back in the George Perez run, her healing was emphasized much more than invuln (during that point she was lower-powered), and one of the things that made Cheetah scary was cuts from her wouldn't close fast.



Originally posted by comicfan11
Uhhh I'd also like to know how is WW faster in recovery?
Why are people acting as if she has a healing factor?

Even if that's the case (seriously does anyone have any examples of WW's recoveries?) Supes and his yellow sunlight absorbing physiology is faster.


Supes' yellow sunlight lets him replenish energy if he's depleted, but not heal wounds as well. Like, if you do break his arm, it'll take awhile to heal on it's own. Faster than a human to be sure (and faster still if he can get the fortress robots to work on it), but WW's would be better the next day.



Gail's run- She just stood there and took a beating from a GL until she was black and blue... and a few minutes later it was almost gone.

And the Rise of the Olympian storyline. Let me walk you through the events that take place during just part of a single day:

Start out by being beaten within an inch of her life by Genocide, obviously badly hurt.

A bit later, after Genocide trashes the JLA, go and fight her again (with friends), forcing a retreat.

Then take on and take down Cheetah's chapter of the Society of Supervillains, trashing a few. Then face Cheetah. Get clawed up before taking her down (while complaining about being tired).

Then fight Achilles (a foe with the literal heart of a god meant to be her replacement), and win. Then stop a nuke.

Then fight Genocide again, seems to fight at full power, with no sign of injury hindering her, and win.

Then return home, fight some giant sea monsters, and kill Ares.


She gets multiple major wounds at several points in her day, and still faces multiple herald foes at the end, including one who's already proven herself capable of beating WW, and yet the breaks in between bring her back up to a level where she's at full strength and speed.






Fixed. By energy, I mean large fields that can bypass the bracers.

When crossed, they make a broader force field. Nukes and such are no prob for her.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Superman in all 3.

Wonder Woman in all 3, even without the Bracers.

I feel sorry for anyone arguing for WW.

Also LOL@JBL's vendetta.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I feel sorry for anyone arguing for WW.



It's funny how people say that, when it's quite easy. One, Checkmate in-universe rates them pretty similarly. Two, when both go all-out against each other, both get badly hurt. Three, she's got the most reliable defensive item in comics on her side.

...

Oh yeah, this was definitely a hot topic made for objectivity

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I feel sorry for anyone arguing for WW.

Also LOL@JBL's vendetta. People have a good reason to argue for WW, just because you think superman is the best at everything does not hinder other posters from giving their opinions. Thats the trouble with supes fans, they think their opinion is gold and any conflicting opinions are hate or lol worthy.

Superman

Originally posted by Q99
Well, obviously being impaled through the middle of the chest is still going to do some major damage, even for Demeter's blessing (the source of her healing factor)!

It's not Wolverine-level healing mind you (or maybe, 80s Wolverine level), but the gift of Demeter means she has a history of taking fairly major injury and then being in near-top shape just a little while later. Eyes of the Gorgon, getting impaled through the side didn't require breaking out the purple ray. And superman healed from a kryptonite sword impaled through his heart in moments.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/supermanbatman18a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/supermanbatman18b.jpg

You are talking the storyline where superman healed from a slit throat in moments?


I've read Perez's wonder woman and she wasn't even close to how fast superman heals.




Then you don't know anything about superman. That's exactly what happened against imperiex war and he healed from it in one page.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/ActionComics781a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/ActionComics781b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/ActionComics781c.jpg



She was still hurt and its nothing compared to what superman has healed through, not to mention he has shrugged off hal jordan's killing attacks.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/supermanbatman29a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/supermanbatman29b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/supermanbatman29c.jpg

That just shows how inferior her durability is.

You forgot to mention purple ray was used for her and she had gauntlet of atlas boosting her stamina in between those fights.


Absolutely nothing compared to what superman has faced and he doesn't get nearly killed by someone close to him in strength. Heck, he has battled Bizarro for days straight up non-stop and had nothing on him as a wound.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670061/Supe80_066.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670063/Supe80_067.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670065/Supe80_069.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670067/Supe80_070.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670068/Supe80_071.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670070/Supe80_072.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670071/Supe80_073.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670073/Supe80_075.jpg.html

That's what invulnerability means.

IMO Superman in all 3

If this was WW vs Hulk we have a fight

Originally posted by Q99
It's funny how people say that, when it's quite easy. One, Checkmate in-universe rates them pretty similarly. Two, when both go all-out against each other, both get badly hurt. Three, she's got the most reliable defensive item in comics on her side.
Like I said checkmate had Mr. Terrific as the smartest being on earth, its not reliable in the least. Also @ being badly hurt, superman was breaking her arms like twig and all she did was cut his throat with a magical tiara.Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman in all 3, even without the Bracers.


So bullets bounce off wonder woman too?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And superman healed from a kryptonite sword impaled through his heart in moments.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/supermanbatman18a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/supermanbatman18b.jpg

You are talking the storyline where superman healed from a slit throat in moments?


I've read Perez's wonder woman and she wasn't even close to how fast superman heals.




Then you don't know anything about superman. That's exactly what happened against imperiex war and he healed from it in one page.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/ActionComics781a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/ActionComics781b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/ActionComics781c.jpg



She was still hurt and its nothing compared to what superman has healed through, not to mention he has shrugged off hal jordan's killing attacks.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/supermanbatman29a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/supermanbatman29b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/supermanbatman29c.jpg

That just shows how inferior her durability is.

You forgot to mention purple ray was used for her and she had gauntlet of atlas boosting her stamina in between those fights.


Absolutely nothing compared to what superman has faced and he doesn't get nearly killed by someone close to him in strength. Heck, he has battled Bizarro for days straight up non-stop and had nothing on him as a wound.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670061/Supe80_066.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670063/Supe80_067.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670065/Supe80_069.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670067/Supe80_070.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670068/Supe80_071.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670070/Supe80_072.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670071/Supe80_073.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16670073/Supe80_075.jpg.html

That's what invulnerability means. Then why make this thread if WW is so inferior to superman in your eyes? You the thread maker and question maker have more scans and arguements for one side. Can people please try and debate without the thread starter one-sided input??. I knew you would do this.

LOL.

Originally posted by JBL
Then why make this thread if WW is so inferior to superman in your eyes? You the thread maker and question maker have more scans and arguements for one side. Can people please try and debate without the thread starter one-sided input??. I knew you would do this. I agree

Originally posted by JBL
Then why make this thread if WW is so inferior to superman in your eyes? You the thread maker and question maker have more scans and arguements for one side. Can people please try and debate without the thread starter one-sided input??. I knew you would do this.
Because I was bored.

Originally posted by JBL
Bait thread. If someone ranks WW higher than superman, you will take over any debate with low showings of WW and the highest you can find for superman. Why create this type of thread when we know who you will defend to the end? Let me train you how to make superman shine the right way.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I feel sorry for anyone arguing for WW.

Also LOL@JBL's vendetta. So there is no problem with the guy who you yourself admit created a spite thread in which she has no chance. The guy who created it is not the problem but instead it is the people who argue otherwise. Wow.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said checkmate had Mr. Terrific as the smartest being on earth, its not reliable in the least. Also @ being badly hurt, superman was breaking her arms like twig and all she did was cut his throat with a magical tiara.


And made his ears bleed, and bruise his ribs, and hurt his leg...

He was showing signs of injury before the throat cut.




Ok, wow, that's pretty crazy.

Enough so that there's gotta be something else going on like magic healing or something. Superman doesn't recover from normal kryptonite exposure that fast without wounds, and the presence of kryptonite should slow his healing anyway.




Ah, good example!

Because, you see, he broke his arm against the Russian Zod before the before Imperiex drones attacked.

I.e. at that point he's had the break for two days (as it mentions the time since the first probe that hit Topeka, and that was what interrupting the Zod fight). Rather than healing it in one page, he's managing despite a wound from an entire prior battle.


Thanks for bringing it up for me, I forgot about the Zod break and it's a good example.

Originally posted by Q99
And made his ears bleed, and bruise his ribs, and hurt his leg... Only ears bleed and that was with a huge suckershot with indestructible bracers. Batman did the same to wonder woman 5 issues earlier under the same writer. There is no mention of ribs broken or hurting leg, its pure speculation on your part.

Nope.

You want something else? His blood was transmuted to kryptonite just before that.

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16719688_Superman_Batman_18-06.JPG http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16719716_Superman_Batman_18-09.JPG http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16719725_Superman_Batman_18-10.JPG


He has also had his heart torn out by Emperor Joker and still lived.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_actioncomics770p25pg9.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_actioncomics770p26jn6.jpg




That was his jaw and he healed through it too.

Nah, it was a different instance. Ignition broke his leg too and it healed just after superman re-attached it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16672403/actioncomics769p14.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16672405/actioncomics769p15.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16672406/actioncomics769p16.jpg.html



Zod didn't break his arm.

Oh yea, it's all coming back to me! There was a break in their first fight, and then Superman flashed back to it repeatedly in their second... the fact that Russian Zod broke his bones was something they made a big deal of, even!


Thanks, I would've forgotten that. It's always nice when someone else brings in stuff for me.

I'd expect nothing less (more?) from Abhilegend.

This thread should be closed. It is purely a bait thread. There is not a viable discussion to be had here. Without bracers it's clearly Superman in all 3. With bracers, it's clearly WW in all 3. Since the OP already stated that it's w/o bracers, it's merely a thread for him/her to post scans showing how awesome Superman is and how inferior WW is to him. It's even more glaring that the one area of durability where there could actually be an argument for WW - magic - was left out.

It's actually fairly pathetic, but it's the internet so I can't say that I'm surprised.

Originally posted by JBL
People have a good reason to argue for WW, just because you think superman is the best at everything does not hinder other posters from giving their opinions. Thats the trouble with supes fans, they think their opinion is gold and any conflicting opinions are hate or lol worthy. No.

I don't think Superman is the best at everything. Stop generalizing Superman fans.

Get over yourself.Originally posted by quanchi112
So there is no problem with the guy who you yourself admit created a spite thread in which she has no chance. The guy who created it is not the problem but instead it is the people who argue otherwise. Wow. Shut up. Abhi was already called out, and I have no problem with people supporting WW. I just think its a losing battle which is why I feel sorry for them.

You people are too sensitive.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I'd expect nothing less (more?) from Abhilegend.

This thread should be closed. It is purely a bait thread. There is not a viable discussion to be had here. Without bracers it's clearly Superman in all 3. With bracers, it's clearly WW in all 3. Since the OP already stated that it's w/o bracers, it's merely a thread for him/her to post scans showing how awesome Superman is and how inferior WW is to him. It's even more glaring that the one area of durability where there could actually be an argument for WW - magic - was left out.

It's actually fairly pathetic, but it's the internet so I can't say that I'm surprised.
You couldn't tell from the opening post lol?

Originally posted by Q99
Oh yea, it's all coming back to me! There was a break in their first fight, and then Superman flashed back to it repeatedly in their second... the fact that Russian Zod broke his bones was something they made a big deal of, even!


Thanks, I would've forgotten that. It's always nice when someone else brings in stuff for me.
Russian Zod didn't break his bones anywhere other than his sucker shot to the jaw.Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I'd expect nothing less (more?) from Abhilegend.

This thread should be closed. It is purely a bait thread. There is not a viable discussion to be had here. Without bracers it's clearly Superman in all 3. With bracers, it's clearly WW in all 3. Since the OP already stated that it's w/o bracers, it's merely a thread for him/her to post scans showing how awesome Superman is and how inferior WW is to him. It's even more glaring that the one area of durability where there could actually be an argument for WW - magic - was left out.

It's actually fairly pathetic, but it's the internet so I can't say that I'm surprised.
Magic? How about this

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_54.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_55.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_56.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_57.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_58.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_59.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_60.jpg

Or this when he recovers first from a magical attack.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15767811/JLA_Seven_Caskets_037.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15767813/JLA_Seven_Caskets_038.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15767814/JLA_Seven_Caskets_040.jpg.html

I could also say to you to quit whining but its internet.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
You couldn't tell from the opening post lol?
Hey Q99 claimed that wonder woman is nearly as durable as superman, she gave me the idea to create the thread.

Yeah after looking up some of Simone's run which supposedly had some good recovery feats for WW, there's really no logical argument to be made for WW.

Also showings that involve the Purple healing ray and non standard equip like the gauntlets of Atlas have exactly 0 bearing on this thread.

One question though.
If one character gets really wrecked physically and then on the next time we see him/her he/she is up and going, does that mean he/she has a healing factor?
Because if that's the case 99% of all comic characters have a healing factor in some capacity.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Russian Zod didn't break his bones anywhere other than his sucker shot to the jaw.
Magic? How about this

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_54.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_55.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_56.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_57.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_58.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_59.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_60.jpg

Or this when he recovers first from a magical attack.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15767811/JLA_Seven_Caskets_037.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15767813/JLA_Seven_Caskets_038.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15767814/JLA_Seven_Caskets_040.jpg.html

I could also say to you to quit whining but its internet.

Do you even look at your scans before you post them? WW wasn't effected as much as the others from that initial attack. She was stopped when he reverted her back to clay, exploiting a particular weakness that is no longer there given her new origin.

I can't comment on the second set of scans because as usual you don't provide enough context.

You could have posted the scans from Justice League Dark when Superman was "being cut to ribbons" and WW didn't have a scratch on her if you wanted a current side by side comparison. That would have been too logical though. And the point remains that that is an actually discussion, unlike your original thread.

I'm not whining. I'm just saying how pointless your thread is and how you derive an unhealthy amount of pleasure from it.

http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10300/justice-league-dark-20110923044011443-000.jpg
http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10300/justice-league-dark-20110923044018791-000.jpg
http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10300/justice-league-dark-20110923044026435-000.jpg

I'd say Wonder Woman's durable enough for a Viagra-fuelled weekend with Superman.

Maybe even doggy-style (obviously she's packing the strap-on - one of Bruce's Kryptonite laced variety).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey Q99 claimed that wonder woman is nearly as durable as superman, she gave me the idea to create the thread.

Arguing that WW is nearly as durable as Superman is probably the most extreme example any sane person arguing for WW would make. Even accepting that premise still acknowledges that she is *not* as durable as him. There was no need to create the thread other than for spite.

That only required basic reading comprehension skills.

After seeing that the thread starter was Abhi why did purple doll bother top answer

Also why are people complaining about him Abhi do as Abhi do there's no changing him

He's like that old racist relative who's going slowly Sybille

Originally posted by Zack Fair
No.

I don't think Superman is the best at everything. Stop generalizing Superman fans.

Get over yourself. Shut up. Abhi was already called out, and I have no problem with people supporting WW. I just think its a losing battle which is why I feel sorry for them.

You people are too sensitive. Wrong. You are just starting drama despite Abhi's all too apparent agenda.


People are free to disagree and your apparent love of Superman does not give you the right to pity the opposition. How arrogant of you.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Do you even look at your scans before you post them? WW wasn't effected as much as the others from that initial attack. She was stopped when he reverted her back to clay, exploiting a particular weakness that is no longer there given her new origin.

I can't comment on the second set of scans because as usual you don't provide enough context.

You could have posted the scans from Justice League Dark when Superman was "being cut to ribbons" and WW didn't have a scratch on her if you wanted a current side by side comparison. That would have been too logical though. And the point remains that that is an actually discussion, unlike your original thread.

I'm not whining. I'm just saying how pointless your thread is and how you derive an unhealthy amount of pleasure from it.

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He transmuted her, superman powered through his blast. How is that not a better showing of durability? Also there is no context in that scene in seven caskets, you can look it in the comic. Its not like I hide where is that scene from, is it?

Also this is pre-DCnU superman and wonder woman, pay attention.

You sure as heck looked to be whining that superman is more durable than wonder woman.Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Arguing that WW is nearly as durable as Superman is probably the most extreme example any sane person arguing for WW would make. Even accepting that premise still acknowledges that she is *not* as durable as him. There was no need to create the thread other than for spite.

That only required basic reading comprehension skills.
Hey, don't blame me.

WW in all 3

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also this is pre-DCnU superman and wonder woman, pay attention.

you havent actually said that in any of the posts

Originally posted by jitay
you havent actually said that in any of the posts Nor in the opening post. Sloppily done.

*people, still, to, senile

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
*people, still, to, senile Says the guy that pollutes the thread with a triple post gtfo

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. You are just starting drama despite Abhi's all too apparent agenda.


People are free to disagree and your apparent love of Superman does not give you the right to pity the opposition. How arrogant of you. I'm arrogant? You're the one making claims about my reasoning behind my post. No where in my post did I say people cannot disagree. Stop trying to make an issue where there is none.

But really I'm not going to bother with you. I explained why I said what I said. You don't believe me, so that is that.

I hate all of you.

Hate is in the air.

Originally posted by comicfan11


Killer Croc is more durable than WW when it comes to piercing attacks...

I take you don't read a-lot of Wonder Woman comics. She can only be pierce by magical artifacts: Cheetah's claws.... It's been stated, over and over again in comics. Gail Simone gave a great explanation in her run.

Diana did better against Amazo, Aquman Cheetah and Batman.

Originally posted by aztec
I take you don't read a-lot of Wonder Woman comics. She can only be pierce by magical artifacts: Cheetah's claws.... It's been stated, over and over again in comics. Gail Simone gave a great explanation in her run.

So a normal bullet would bounce of her?
Has she ever done that on panel?
Because I remember her being shot like a normal human, although it was pre Simone for sure.
But still I don't buy it If I don't see it.
Any scans of WW vs bullets (no bracers)?
Or normal bladed melee weapons.

Originally posted by comicfan11
So a normal bullet would bounce of her?
Has she ever done that on panel?
Because I remember her being shot like a normal human, although it was pre Simone for sure.
But still I don't buy it If I don't see it.
Any scans of WW vs bullets (no bracers)?

I'd have to go through all of my Wonder Woman trades. She's had various upgrades through out the years. To be honest, it depends on the writer, I've seen her breath outside space before, so her stats vary from writer to writer. I am however, confident that she's taken bullets before and no significant damage whatsoever.

If I'm not mistaken, there are a couple of instances in Greg Rucka's run. I'll get back at you as soon as I can. If I can recall correctly the Police was shooting at her, because Dr. Psycho made them believe she was the Joker.

I'm not stating Diana is Superman's superior, lets face it, she's not, but she does have some advantages over him, which might be able to tip the scales once in a while: fighting speed, bracers and martial arts are her greatest asset against Kal El. Anyway, I always give Clark the majority over her. I just prefer debating for Diana, since many posters aren't familiar with the warrior.

Nice.
If you find any feats let me know.
I'm familiar with her major feats and appearances mostly from Perez and Simone era but it would be interesting to see any feats against piercing damage.
Although to be honest I think that if WW was truly invun vs piercing it would be more well known.
The vast majority of fans believe that she is not, but I'm curious to see anything that disproves that.

Originally posted by comicfan11
Nice.
If you find any feats let me know.
I'm familiar with her major feats and appearances mostly from Perez and Simone era but it would be interesting to see any feats against piercing damage.
Although to be honest I think that if WW was truly invun vs piercing it would be more well known.
The vast majority of fans believe that she is not, but I'm curious to see anything that disproves that.

I'll definitely go through all of the appearances I have of hers and get back to you as soon as I can. If not today, I'll make a quick note of it and send you a private message sometime this week. Diana has pretty impressive feats that people tend to disregard. I believe she has a better track record against speedsters than Superman. She's out smarted Zoom, Powergirl, Superman (OMAC - outsmarted/survived) bested Cheetah, Wally West, Amazo and has impressed Barry himself.

Cheers man, but if you find the durability feats post them here.
I'm sure it will be helpful with this thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He transmuted her, superman powered through his blast. How is that not a better showing of durability?

Because they were two different attacks. She didn't get transmutated by the blast. She powered through it as well. It was the subsequent spell that turned her into clay.

Originally posted by abhilegend Also this is pre-DCnU superman and wonder woman, pay attention.

Then perhaps you should actually state that when you start a thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend You sure as heck looked to be whining that superman is more durable than wonder woman.

It's not whining. It's stating something incredibly obvious to anyone with half a brain. But as others have said, I don't know why I was surprised. When I saw who started the thread, I should have known that nothing good would come from actually reading it.

Originally posted by aztec
Diana did better against Amazo, Aquman Cheetah and Batman.
Really? Superman has actually knocked out Amazo with the power of whole league.Originally posted by aztec
I'll definitely go through all of the appearances I have of hers and get back to you as soon as I can. If not today, I'll make a quick note of it and send you a private message sometime this week. Diana has pretty impressive feats that people tend to disregard. I believe she has a better track record against speedsters than Superman. She's out smarted Zoom, Powergirl, Superman (OMAC - outsmarted/survived) bested Cheetah, Wally West, Amazo and has impressed Barry himself.
I would like to see the scans of so called better performances of wonder woman against speedsters.


Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Because they were two different attacks. She didn't get transmutated by the blast. She powered through it as well. It was the subsequent spell that turned her into clay.



Then perhaps you should actually state that when you start a thread.



It's not whining. It's stating something incredibly obvious to anyone with half a brain. But as others have said, I don't know why I was surprised. When I saw who started the thread, I should have known that nothing good would come from actually reading it.
And disciple couldn't do the same thing to superman who totally overpowered his attacks.

Its obvious from the start. Next time I would do that.

Then its your fault for reading it. Nobody forced you to do it.

Originally posted by JBL
Then why make this thread if WW is so inferior to superman in your eyes? You the thread maker and question maker have more scans and arguements for one side. Can people please try and debate without the thread starter one-sided input??. I knew you would do this.

What's wrong with him making a thread and challenging all on comers for any given topic? If it's a "bait thread" it just makes you look stupidly hooked for even posting. I'm just not down with the backseat modding I guess, and I really don't get how making a thread and playing king of the hill with it is a bad thing. It's a good way to make discussions happen which is what we are all here for. Nothing personal JBL, you are a wrestling god after all. (Good color-commentator too)

Originally posted by aztec
I take you don't read a-lot of Wonder Woman comics. She can only be pierce by magical artifacts: Cheetah's claws.... It's been stated, over and over again in comics. Gail Simone gave a great explanation in her run.

Heck, in... *shudders* Amazons Attack, she catches an enchanted spear wielded by a superhuman amazon bare-handed.


And her bones seem to have no special weakness to piercing. When she hit Genocide (who, well, *is* her body) with her magic axe, she had to work to get it to go deeper.

Originally posted by Q99
Heck, in... *shudders* Amazons Attack, she catches an enchanted spear wielded by a superhuman amazon bare-handed.


And her bones seem to have no special weakness to piercing. When she hit Genocide (who, well, *is* her body) with her magic axe, she had to work to get it to go deeper.
Genocide was enhanced by Ares' magic.

Wonder Woman wins in all 3

Joke aside, There's a reason why Wonder Woman has those bracers.I'm not even a big fan of Clark, but i have to say he wins this

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then its your fault for reading it. Nobody forced you to do it.

This is the only thing you've said in this thread that is actually accurate or worthwhile.

Shame on me. I should know better!

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
This is the only thing you've said in this thread that is actually accurate or worthwhile.

Shame on me. I should know better!
Yeah, shame on you for having such a fragile character as your favorite.

Superman wins all 3 via the stipulations of the thread

Originally posted by Odekahn
What's wrong with him making a thread and challenging all on comers for any given topic? If it's a "bait thread" it just makes you look stupidly hooked for even posting. I'm just not down with the backseat modding I guess, and I really don't get how making a thread and playing king of the hill with it is a bad thing. It's a good way to make discussions happen which is what we are all here for. Nothing personal JBL, you are a wrestling god after all. (Good color-commentator too) Because of what he has done all over this thread. How can any poster debate with another when the moment one of them say that WW wins any or all 3, he comes in and take over with his love for superman. Why not let the people debate for themselves? His input is not needed as he is the thread starter. Why ask a question when you know the answer ( because you set it up one-sided to start with ) and when others try and give their opinions you reveal your intentions again. Only the ones that vote superman are spared his ranting. Guess why?

Originally posted by JBL
Because of what he has done all over this thread. How can any poster debate with another when the moment one of them say that WW wins any or all 3, he comes in and take over with his love for superman. Why not let the people debate for themselves? His input is not needed as he is the thread starter. Why ask a question when you know the answer ( because you set it up one-sided to start with ) and when others try and give their opinions you reveal your intentions again. Only the ones that vote superman are spared his ranting. Guess why?

If he starts attacking people, then ok, you have a point. But if he's just attacking their arguments, then so what? I've started up discussions in which I already had an opinion, and upon seeing what others say, I will question and test what they say. I took it as he asked to start a discussion about it. It's a topic he wanted to discuss bad enough to make a thread about it, so of course he's going to interject his opinion. All I have seen him do is stick to the topic he started, he has kept it topical and everyone else turned it personal. Maybe there's just something that happened in another thread that I don't know about? It's none of my business either way, I was just commenting on what I observed in this particular thread. Oh well, anyways... Not to change the subject, but JBL > Bobby Heenan on commentary imo. Thoughts?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I'm arrogant? You're the one making claims about my reasoning behind my post. No where in my post did I say people cannot disagree. Stop trying to make an issue where there is none.

But really I'm not going to bother with you. I explained why I said what I said. You don't believe me, so that is that. Flip flopper.

Bait thread is closed.