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1. If this two were locked in a death match who wins 2. In a sparring match who wins

1.Blackpanther, but not an easy win 2.stalemate

Spite
Spidey stomps

Bp wins he's pretty much Bruce Wayne and Tony Starks roll into one. Bp has Spdoer MAn beat before the fight beings. Bp bust out his armor and vibrainum knifes and goes to work on Spider-Man!!

Bp won't even touch spidey.
A forum spidey will make short work of BP.

Black panther wins both after a hard fight.

Spidey should be able to web him up. Knives won't be much use if he can't move his arms.

Originally posted by cdtm
Spidey should be able to web him up. Knives won't be much use if he can't move his arms. That is of course assuming that panther won't dodge or cut the webbing as it's coming at him.

Spidey would kick his head in. He has him in the strength, speed, and agility departments. Spiderman is a low level precog, with webbing and if he decides to go for broke, he should be able to lay The Black Panther out with one heavy hit to the jaw. Black Panther is the better martial artist, but this would not offset his disadvantages in this battle.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bp won't even touch spidey.
A forum spidey will make short work of BP.

I agree Spiderman wins, but the above statement is false. BP will indeed land some shots.

Originally posted by deathslash
That is of course assuming that panther won't dodge or cut the webbing as it's coming at him.

It's not easy to dodge. Daredevil, who can deflect bullets in the direction of his choice, can't stop him from webbing his arm to his side, even after getting his Spider Sense zonked by anti ss gas.

Plus, the webbing can cover a wide area, and be sprayed pretty densely and quickly (Think web shields.)

Originally posted by Stoic
Spidey would kick his head in. He has him in the strength, speed, and agility departments. Spiderman is a low level precog, with webbing and if he decides to go for broke, he should be able to lay The Black Panther out with one heavy hit to the jaw. Black Panther is the better martial artist, but this would not offset his disadvantages in this battle.

Is Panther not wearing his Vibranium suit? I thought it was standard gear for him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Spidey would kick his head in. He has him in the strength, speed, and agility departments. Spiderman is a low level precog, with webbing and if he decides to go for broke, he should be able to lay The Black Panther out with one heavy hit to the jaw. Black Panther is the better martial artist, but this would not offset his disadvantages in this battle. Spidey does have the strength, speed and agility advantages, but panther has the skill, weaponry, and intelligence advantage. Saying that Spidey oneshots Panther is an insult to his vibranium armor, durability, and pain tolerance levels. Also, hasn't panther fought multiple people of spidey's level before and won?

Originally posted by cdtm
Is Panther not wearing his Vibranium suit? I thought it was standard gear for him.

In a comic vibranium does more than it should do, and even if it were to protect BP from being splattered by a shot that could destroy an 8 bedroom house or launch a pick up 20 meters away, it would not stop BP from whiplash effect of having his head snapped back by that same force. Webbing him up will also turn this into a no contest once he is fully wrapped in it.

Originally posted by deathslash
Spidey does have the strength, speed and agility advantages, but panther has the skill, weaponry, and intelligence advantage. Saying that Spidey oneshots Panther is an insult to his vibranium armor, durability, and pain tolerance levels. Also, hasn't panther fought multiple people of spidey's level before and won?

Skill is all that BP has over Spiderman. Spidey is a genius, and has his own tech that would cancel out BP's. A hit that can demolish a large family house will bust BP up even with vibranium he would still be rattled on the inside of the suit by whiplash effects. Football players get concussions all of the time from sudden stop impacts. the helmet absorbs the energy, but the brain continues moving until it hits the skull. then again real life physics aren't always taken into account in comic books. Good thing that this is a forum debate and not a comic right? Ask yourself this one question, how much damage could 8-9 tons of strength do? Then ask yourself how much damage would be done to a real human if you threw 40 lbs moving at 60 mph at their necks would cause. Spiderman in real life would be a monstrous opponent for a guy like BP.

Originally posted by Stoic
Webbing him up will also turn this into a no contest once he is fully wrapped in it.



Skill is all that BP has over Spiderman. Spidey is a genius, and has his own tech that would cancel out BP's. A hit that can demolish a large family house will bust BP up even with vibranium he would still be rattled on the inside of the suit by whiplash effects. Football players get concussions all of the time from sudden stop impacts. the helmet absorbs the energy, but the brain continues moving until it hits the skull. then again real life physics aren't always taken into account in comic books. Good thing that this is a forum debate and not a comic right? Ask yourself this one question, how much damage could 8-9 tons of strength do? Then ask yourself how much damage would be done to a real human if you threw 40 lbs moving at 60 mph at their necks would cause. Spiderman in real life would be a monstrous opponent for a guy like BP. What part of vibranium claws and superhuman speed aren't you getting? Just because spidey has the webbing doesn't mean that he can hit BP with it or keep BP from cutting through it.

You're really saying that Vibranium (a metal that is literally defined and substantiated as being capable of absorbing massive impacts) does more than it should? and I'm certain that the skill gap is enough to give Panther the win. Just because Spidey is faster, stronger and arguably more agile doesn't mean that he has the auto-win. There are other things to factor in like skill, intelligence and weaponry. Panther has superior h2h abilities, his weaponry is also ranged and deadly(energy daggers and other weapons), and, while I admit that Octavius is indeed a genius, but his intelligence is still dwarfed by Panther's. Panther doesn't have to beat Spider-man straight up, he just has to survive long enough to formulate a superior battle plan. Also, are we all forgetting about Panther's new upgrades? Some people are saying that this is a stomp, but I say that Panther does have a fighting chance.

Originally posted by Stoic
In a comic vibranium does more than it should do, and even if it were to protect BP from being splattered by a shot that could destroy an 8 bedroom house or launch a pick up 20 meters away, it would not stop BP from whiplash effect of having his head snapped back by that same force.

Yeah. But then the suit wouldn't be worth much, if real world physics applied.. Fact is, the suits let him absorb a ton of punishment from Iron Man and from an enraged, berserk Iron Fist.. (Who I think we can agree hits even harder then Peter, if he maxes out his chi..)

I just chalk it up to comic book science. Not too likely his cloth suit has inertial dampener's, like Starks metal suits..

With BP current upgrades, he gets the majority. Also, didn't they fight last yr? If yes, didn't Spiderman comment on how fast BP was and got blitzed during the process.

Sure you're not thinking of Civil War? Sounds like Cap blitzing him in his Iron Spider suit...

Which is still PIS, ftr. But it's Cap.

Naah, it wasn't Civil war.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bp won't even touch spidey.
A forum spidey will make short work of BP.

Aside from overrating Parker as always and ignoring his average performance vs. martial artists in comics, you also missed T'Challa's recent upgrade, which should make him more than a match for Petey.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Aside from overrating Parker as always and ignoring his average performance vs. martial artists in comics, you also missed T'Challa's recent upgrade, which should make him more than a match for Petey.

What sort of upgrade?

This is the scene I am talking about.

http://s1050.photobucket.com/user/KingMichael777/media/Comics/2601038-spidermanhumantorch04papa4_zps091e1bf4.jpg.html

BP

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Aside from overrating Parker as always and ignoring his average performance vs. martial artists in comics, you also missed T'Challa's recent upgrade, which should make him more than a match for Petey.

"King of Necropolis", is that the upgrade? All the strength and knowledge of past Panthers being his now?


I found a year old page that mentioned it, but has he had many showings since?

That just might make him a match for Spidey, at that.. Just how many past Panthers were there? Spidey still has his speed/agility, though.. (Yeo's post aside, Panther's always been portrayed as a peer to streets, instead of being heads and shoulders above them...)

^ My impression from New Avengers is that Black Panther has leapt past Spider-Man in terms of formidability. The King of the Dead upgrades remain undefined but the logical implications are too serious to be ignored. And his tech is even better than before, e.g., his first fight against Black Swan.

BP spanks that skinny butt red and sends bugboy to bed without supper.

Spider-man. Faster, stronger, mobility advantage and incapacitation. Bp has the advantage of skill and weaponry and will be sure to tip the scale in a prep war due to the vast amount of resources at his disposal but spider-man has ss that tips the battle to his favor.

Also does Bp even have vibranium on his armor anymore? Havent seen it showcased recently.

Originally posted by cdtm
What sort of upgrade?

He became King of the Dead.

But what does that give him aside from outdated knowledge of warfare from his predecessors? Does strenght from previous bp incarnation means literal physical strenght or just the defining mental attributes of his ancestors (adept at stealth, making traps, crafting skills, etc)

Outdated? Don't forget, Wakanda has always been streets ahead of the rest of Marvel U.

if this is still pete then he was pretty adept at martial arts WITHOUT

if this is still pete then he was pretty adept at martial arts WITHOUT SS then with SS he was a beast

i say Spidey 7-8/10 out of a long battle

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Outdated? Don't forget, Wakanda has always been streets ahead of the rest of Marvel U.

It could be relevant like having knowledge of mysticism or exotic martial arts but for the most part and most likely they would be quite redudant. Its mostly some no-named ancestor with some with some speculated knowledge.

1.Bp would skwarsh bugboy 2. Spidey might be lucky to see a stalemate. Please bp should not be under-rated

1.Bp would skwarsh bugboy 2. Spidey might be lucky to see a stalemate. Please bp should not be under-rated he is one the new infinity-watch

I need to see some recent feats of BP. What is shown to be different in him from the past?

Originally posted by h1a8
I need to see some recent feats of BP. What is shown to be different in him from the past? He just recently beat one of Thanos' head generals in a 1v1 fight (although it was off panel)

Originally posted by Stoic
In a comic vibranium does more than it should do, and even if it were to protect BP from being splattered by a shot that could destroy an 8 bedroom house or launch a pick up 20 meters away, it would not stop BP from whiplash effect of having his head snapped back by that same force. Webbing him up will also turn this into a no contest once he is fully wrapped in it.



Skill is all that BP has over Spiderman. Spidey is a genius, and has his own tech that would cancel out BP's. A hit that can demolish a large family house will bust BP up even with vibranium he would still be rattled on the inside of the suit by whiplash effects. Football players get concussions all of the time from sudden stop impacts. the helmet absorbs the energy, but the brain continues moving until it hits the skull. then again real life physics aren't always taken into account in comic books. Good thing that this is a forum debate and not a comic right? Ask yourself this one question, how much damage could 8-9 tons of strength do? Then ask yourself how much damage would be done to a real human if you threw 40 lbs moving at 60 mph at their necks would cause. Spiderman in real life would be a monstrous opponent for a guy like BP.

This. And btw, go find a large spiderweb, take your knife and go ahead and try to "slice" through it. Come back and tell me bout it. Doesen't work that way. Now imagine doing that with a webbing thats hundreds of times thicker, stronger, and more elastic.

It could've been due to some plot device though. Some of Thanos' lackeys have to yet prove their worth as evidence when Luke Cage conveniently hurt Proxima.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
This. And btw, go find a large spiderweb, take your knife and go ahead and try to "slice" through it. Come back and tell me bout it. Doesen't work that way. Now imagine doing that with a webbing thats hundreds of times thicker, stronger, and more elastic. Dude, Panther's knives aren't normal knives. They're Vibranium (which is actually superior to Adamantium) and Panther is a low level meta with enhanced strength and speed. Also, Panther being entangled in Spidey's webbing is dependent on whether or not he can even hit Panther (who's insanely fast and agile).

Well Parker's webbing has numerous feats of hitting opponents as fast as him and even faster than him. BP would be dealing with those webs. You mention him cutting the webs, remember those same webs put Wolverine on the sidelines.

Originally posted by deathslash
Dude, Panther's knives aren't normal knives. They're Vibranium (which is actually superior to Adamantium) and Panther is a low level meta with enhanced strength and speed. Also, Panther being entangled in Spidey's webbing is dependent on whether or not he can even hit Panther (who's insanely fast and agile). tell 'em that's the way it's gonna be spidey would put up a good fight but would still loose 'cos panther is better

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
It could've been due to some plot device though. Some of Thanos' lackeys have to yet prove their worth as evidence when Luke Cage conveniently hurt Proxima. I doubt that it wasdue to plot device. Luke Cage didn't conveniently hurt Proxima. She jumped him, briefly knocked him out, and while busy dealing with the insubordinance of the onlookers, Cage jumped her and landed several hits. Cage has consistently displayed himself as being capable of hurting people of the Proxima's caliber, (beating the rhino twice, beating Ironclad one, going toe to toe with an intelligent hulk, stalemating Wonderman, beating Dr. Doom in a slugfest) so it would stand to reason that he could hurt Proxima.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Well Parker's webbing has numerous feats of hitting opponents as fast as him and even faster than him. BP would be dealing with those webs. You mention him cutting the webs, remember those same webs put Wolverine on the sidelines. True, however, wolverine has also sliced off those webs multiple times.

Of course it's SS in a stomp

Damn you silver lantern

Does Panther still use vibranium mesh suits?

I thought Wakanda lost their reserves?

Originally posted by cdtm
Does Panther still use vibranium mesh suits?

I thought Wakanda lost their reserves? They lost most of their reserves but still retain most of the Vibranium in the world.

Originally posted by deathslash
True, however, wolverine has also sliced off those webs multiple times.

I can only recall that one time and it was small little strands. What would BP do if his entire body was trapped in multiple layers?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I can only recall that one time and it was small little strands. What would BP do if his entire body was trapped in multiple layers? He would probably use his teleporter or block the webs with his energy shields. Although Spidey has numerous feats of hitting people that are faster than Panther with his webs, he has also failed to hit numerous people that are slower than T'challa. T'challa also has numerous feats of dodging things that move much faster than Spider'man's webs. The average would imply that Panther can get Past the webbing ( he can dodge, cut through, teleport away or block it).

Originally posted by jitay
Damn you silver lantern wad up bugboy cant u defend webhead or u know he will loose

Originally posted by JayDaDon
remember those same webs put Wolverine on the sidelines.

The ones he broke free from moments later!

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I can only recall that one time and it was small little strands. What would BP do if his entire body was trapped in multiple layers?

Astonishing Spiderman/Wolverine is another example, when Logan ripped coccon webbing to shreds.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The ones he broke free from moments later!



Astonishing Spiderman/Wolverine is another example, when Logan ripped coccon webbing to shreds.

Could he move his arms?

Spidey's binded arms to the side of the body (And again, he's done this to Daredevil, despite his radar sense and speed/agility), restricting movement of the entire limb...

It's laughable to think that Spiderman would have trouble hitting BP. He is faster, stronger, and more agile, the only guy capable of edging Spiderman out in terms of agility (on or near his level) is Night Crawler, or perhaps the Beast.

Let's please all stop with trying to make it seem like Spiderman just appeared, and is inept at combat. He's been around longer than anyone on this forum has likely been alive. So has Octavious for what it's worth. BP would have his hands more than filled. I'm not surprised by the way this thread has been going, because there were, and likely still are people that believe that Batman would beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a cut above this level of character.

Why do you guys think that Marvel kept Spiderman from becoming a master martial artist? It's because guys like Captain America, Black Panther, Beast, Night Crawler, Daredevil... and others of that weight class wouldn't have a prayer against him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The ones he broke free from moments later!



Astonishing Spiderman/Wolverine is another example, when Logan ripped coccon webbing to shreds.

Wolverine is also a bad mofo though, so please refrain from placing him within the same tier as Black Panther when he is or was at his best.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's laughable to think that Spiderman would have trouble hitting BP. He is faster, stronger, and more agile, the only guy capable of edging Spiderman out in terms of agility (on or near his level) is Night Crawler, or perhaps the Beast.

Let's please all stop with trying to make it seem like Spiderman just appeared, and is inept at combat. He's been around longer than anyone on this forum has likely been alive. So has Octavious for what it's worth. BP would have his hands more than filled. I'm not surprised by the way this thread has been going, because there were, and likely still are people that believe that Batman would beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a cut above this level of character.

Why do you guys think that Marvel kept Spiderman from becoming a master martial artist? It's because guys like Captain America, Black Panther, Beast, Night Crawler, Daredevil... and others of that weight class wouldn't have a prayer against him.

With normal Panther, I'd be inclined to agree.

But his upgrade is pretty uber. He basically absorbed the physical strength and skills of every single previous Black Panther, since he became the lord of his religions undead. That's, what, thousands of Black Panther's?

Originally posted by cdtm
With normal Panther, I'd be inclined to agree.

But his upgrade is pretty uber. He basically absorbed the physical strength and skills of every single previous Black Panther, since he became the lord of his religions undead. That's, what, thousands of Black Panther's?

has he been able to lift weight similar to a train car? All of that is meaningless without something to show for it. Spiderman has shown above class 75 strength several times. So whatcha got?

Originally posted by Stoic
It's laughable to think that Spiderman would have trouble hitting BP. He is faster, stronger, and more agile, the only guy capable of edging Spiderman out in terms of agility (on or near his level) is Night Crawler, or perhaps the Beast.

Let's please all stop with trying to make it seem like Spiderman just appeared, and is inept at combat. He's been around longer than anyone on this forum has likely been alive. So has Octavious for what it's worth. BP would have his hands more than filled. I'm not surprised by the way this thread has been going, because there were, and likely still are people that believe that Batman would beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a cut above this level of character.

Why do you guys think that Marvel kept Spiderman from becoming a master martial artist? It's because guys like Captain America, Black Panther, Beast, Night Crawler, Daredevil... and others of that weight class wouldn't have a prayer against him.
Bp even before his latest upgrade had already defeated the Beast in a duel of agility.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's laughable to think that Spiderman would have trouble hitting BP. He is faster, stronger, and more agile, the only guy capable of edging Spiderman out in terms of agility (on or near his level) is Night Crawler, or perhaps the Beast.

Let's please all stop with trying to make it seem like Spiderman just appeared, and is inept at combat. He's been around longer than anyone on this forum has likely been alive. So has Octavious for what it's worth. BP would have his hands more than filled. I'm not surprised by the way this thread has been going, because there were, and likely still are people that believe that Batman would beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a cut above this level of character.

Why do you guys think that Marvel kept Spiderman from becoming a master martial artist? It's because guys like Captain America, Black Panther, Beast, Night Crawler, Daredevil... and others of that weight class wouldn't have a prayer against him. Doesn't Spider-man have trouble with characters like Taskmaster, Daredevil, Wolverine, and Ironfist? Panther is easily in each of those character's weight classes and is above several of them. Panther also has his new upgrades, his personal teleporter, his Vibranium armor, and his energy shields. Explain to me again how Spider-man doesn't even have trouble hitting Panther.

If you said that Spidey wins after a tough fight, then I could at least accept that sort of opinion, but when you low ball someone like Panther (who has consistently displayed that he can keep up with and beat people of Spider-man's caliber) it is completely unacceptable.

Originally posted by deathslash
Doesn't Spider-man have trouble with characters like Taskmaster, Daredevil, Wolverine, and Ironfist? Panther is easily in each of those character's weight classes and is above several of them. Panther also has his new upgrades, his personal teleporter, his Vibranium armor, and his energy shields. Explain to me again how Spider-man doesn't even have trouble hitting Panther.

If you said that Spidey wins after a tough fight, then I could at least accept that sort of opinion, but when you low ball someone like Panther (who has consistently displayed that he can keep up with and beat people of Spider-man's caliber) it is completely unacceptable.

PIS and CIS often plays heavily in favor of those characters as well though. This is a forum, and although you can use feats based from comics, certain things need to be taken with a grain of salt. Spiderman has also lost a load of cred in comics as well over the past several years, and this is due to the many writers having a love hate relationship with Spiderman. I mean look what they did to Peter Parker! I personally hate the Superior Spiderman, and wish that they would somehow bring back the original.

Captain America as good as he is, has no business giving Spiderman a rough time. Spiderman should have ripped that shield away from him during the Civil War, and beat the hell out of him with it. A lot of the things that we read are based on that particular writers favoritism of certain characters. Look at Rulk for example, he was taking it to Thor and the Hulk, and suddenly Wonder Man is clowning him. The list is long. I don't mind BP taking out Octavius in a fight, but Parker? Should we just ignore his entire history and only concentrate on the way that he has been downgraded to near street level? Pshhh whatever.

Also you should be careful with the accusations. i don't believe that I lowballed at all. However perhaps i should bring up several post on how people place BP far above Spidey in this very thread. Open your eyes. unless you can't see.

Originally posted by deathslash
Doesn't Spider-man have trouble with characters like Taskmaster, Daredevil, Wolverine, and Ironfist? Panther is easily in each of those character's weight classes and is above several of them.

Sure, Spidey has problems with streets sometimes. He's had trouble with common thugs, too. And on the opposite extreme, he beat the crap out of Firelord.

And, he's also dominated the likes of Taskmaster and Daredevil (The latter after he had his spider-sense inhibited, and got softened up form a cheap blitz, and he still beat the tar out of him.)

He also has feats well above all of them (Strength and speed), and has completely dominated most of them, as well as blitzed through teams like the Fantastic Four and X-men, and taken on meta's that chew up and spit out street levelers. (Venom and Carnage. Black Tarantula. Scorpion before he became a joke and was punking Luke Cage.. Rhino, Mr. Hyde, Gamora.. He has his ups, as sure as he has his downs.)

The important thing is, everyone has good and bad showings in fights. Even the mighty Iron Fist can struggle when he shouldn't. But by feats, Spidey's a monster..

Originally posted by Stoic
PIS and CIS often plays heavily in favor of those characters as well though. This is a forum, and although you can use feats based from comics, certain things need to be taken with a grain of salt. Spiderman has also lost a load of cred in comics as well over the past several years, and this is due to the many writers having a love hate relationship with Spiderman. I mean look what they did to Peter Parker! I personally hate the Superior Spiderman, and wish that they would somehow bring back the original.

Captain America as good as he is, has no business giving Spiderman a rough time. Spiderman should have ripped that shield away from him during the Civil War, and beat the hell out of him with it. A lot of the things that we read are based on that particular writers favoritism of certain characters. Look at Rulk for example, he was taking it to Thor and the Hulk, and suddenly Wonder Man is clowning him. The list is long. I don't mind BP taking out Octavius in a fight, but Parker? Should we just ignore his entire history and only concentrate on the way that he has been downgraded to near street level? Pshhh whatever.

Also you should be careful with the accusations. i don't believe that I lowballed at all. However perhaps i should bring up several post on how people place BP far above Spidey in this very thread. Open your eyes. unless you can't see. Finally something we can agree on. I hate Superior Spider-man and personally wish that they would bring Peter back.

We most certainly shouldn't ignore his entire history and I personally respect Peter's ingenuity, intelligence, and fighting skills. I don't believe that Panther wins this easily and I could even see Peter winning several of the fights. Perhaps you weren't lowballing Panther but you did say that Peter doesn't have trouble hitting him which, if we're are factoring in weaponry, armor, and average showings is probably untrue and that his Vibranuim armor won't really count for much (even though it has withstood hits from forces comparable to and even above Spidey's fists in the past). I don't think that anyone placed T'challa above Peter, but rather stated that he can contend with him (I'll have to look back at that though to make sure I'm right).

Originally posted by deathslash
Panther (who has consistently displayed that he can keep up with and beat people of Spider-man's caliber)

So has Spider-man.

What proof is there that Spiderman can beat people of Spiderman caliber?

You, sir, are a liar and a fool

Originally posted by Mindset
What proof is there that Spiderman can beat people of Spiderman caliber?

You, sir, are a liar and a fool DUDE!!! calm down there are other words that can replace those words(liar n fool).

You aren't the boss of me.

Reported.

Originally posted by Mindset
You aren't the boss of me.

Reported. i know am not your boss and neither am i the boss of anybody here but am trying to say there is a polite way of saying those like substituting those words with other polite ones.

http://narwhaler.com/original/t4/g/youre-not-my-real-dad-spiderman-T4GHpE.jpg

so has mindset calm-down

Originally posted by Silver_Lantern
wad up bugboy cant u defend webhead or u know he will loose

No
I know he'll win majority

No I'm damning you for making me agree with h1a8

Originally posted by jitay
No
I know he'll win majority

No I'm damning you for making me agree with h1a8 it's gonna be a close battle.....little mistakes can cause great lose.....but i still give fight-1 to panther.