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Instead of the canonical story of waiting it out, one of Ragnos' successors (Vitiate) challenges Naga Sadow on who should be the rightful lord of the sith empire in single combat, Naga Sadow accepts and jumps down much like Malgus did in his fight during Swtor off his throne when the strike time came, as there were not lightsabers back then, they both simply empower their blade's like ancient sith would, and the battle begins. This is post-Nathema destruction Immortal Vitiate by the way. Who wins? (Edit: Don't know what
specific year that Tenebrae destroyed Nathema but it's still going to be post-Nathema Tenebrae)

They had lightsabers by that point, if iirc cord-operated ones.

Anyway, I'd think immortal Vitiate rolls Sadow.

Originally posted by Q99
They had lightsabers by that point, if iirc cord-operated ones.

Anyway, I'd think immortal Vitiate rolls Sadow.

Didn't edit it quick enough. Was going to add that Sadow had his star throwing and all his powers just as Vitiate has his main body and his Immortality, and you are right, sorry, I meant most ancient Sith Lords preferred blade use. So I figured Tenebrae would use a Sith sword.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Didn't edit it quick enough. Was going to add that Sadow had his star throwing and all his powers just as Vitiate has his main body and his Immortality,

See, that's done with a special space ship. If Vitiate is in the ship with him, then it doesn't make him any harder to kill in a duel. If Vitiate is out of the ship, then I guess he'd need a ship of his own to make a fight.

the sith emperor destroys sadow.

Originally posted by Q99
See, that's done with a special space ship. If Vitiate is in the ship with him, then it doesn't make him any harder to kill in a duel. If Vitiate is out of the ship, then I guess he'd need a ship of his own to make a fight.

I know next to nothing about Sadow except that he threw a brick with the force and can throw stars, and that he uses a sith sword. :/

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I know next to nothing about Sadow except that he threw a brick with the force and can throw stars, and that he uses a sith sword. :/

He actually used lightsabers too... and the star thing (not throwing- causing instability/solar flare, or in some cases nova) is due to his personal ship. Other people have messed with stars in the same ship. Sadow's meditation ship is one giant force-booster.


All in all, Sadow's personal capabilities aren't that high up there among Sith lords.

Originally posted by Q99
They had lightsabers by that point, if iirc cord-operated ones.

Anyway, I'd think immortal Vitiate rolls Sadow.

No. 2,000 years before Sadow's time, the Exiles had fully operational lightsabers that didn't need a proto-cord.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No. 2,000 years before Sadow's time, the Exiles had fully operational lightsabers that didn't need a proto-cord.


The Exiles still used cord: Karness Muur with a cord

And on Korriban, still with cord



I know some of the early sabers were later retrofitted to work without a cord, so you'll occasionally see an incredibly ancient cordless one, but the Hundred Years Darkness used cords.

"Muur wielded a yellow bladed protosaber during his time as both a Jedi and a Dark Jedi. His yellow blade saw action during the Battle of Corbos, and he carried it with him when he was exiled from the Republic. As a Sith Lord, Muur apparently transitioned from the protosaber, which required the use of an external power source, to a curve-hilt, red blade lightsaber. This usage of the curve-hilt lightsaber would most likely mark Muur as a Makashi practitioner, making him a deadly duelist."

starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Karness_Muur

It provides an image.

Hm, I wonder if that was in error... or if his talisman simply extended his life long enough to live til the changeover.

Sadow has nothing while Vitiate owned his whole planet when he was 13 and mind-destroyed his Sith Lord father when he was 10. Naga Sadow exploding stars and causing solar flares was done through a spell that first had to be amplified over 1000 times to be effective and cannot be used on anything else except stars, so it's still a pointless spell even if he had his ship. He's probably stick with illusions rather than that, unless he wants to take out all of Korriban with him.

Lord Vitiate has better feats

Doesn't Sadow possess not just Exar Kun's amulet, but the one Uliq possessed as well?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Doesn't Sadow possess not just Exar Kun's amulet, but the one Uliq possessed as well?

Funny thing, during Sadow's story he doesn't really use them like Exar did. He wore amulets more as passive amplifiers it seems, rather than throwing bolts and stuff.


He might've just been the maker of both rather than the wearer of both. Ulic's came from Freedon Nadd's collection, so maybe it was intended to be for the apprentice.

Originally posted by Q99
Funny thing, during Sadow's story he doesn't really use them like Exar did. He wore amulets more as passive amplifiers it seems, rather than throwing bolts and stuff.


He might've just been the maker of both rather than the wearer of both. Ulic's came from Freedon Nadd's collection, so maybe it was intended to be for the apprentice.

Kun explicitly calls them mates, which implies equality, but I can double check to verify this. Offhand, I can't recall if Sadow had an apprentice similarly armed, although Kressh had amulets.