Back to the Future: Lex Luthor vs Reed Richards

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Brockalizer
Scenario: During a battle in their respective universes Lex Luthor (Red Son) and Reed Richards (Earth 616) are transported somewhere in the Bronze age Mediterranean region of Earth. Using their vast intelligence they are now tasked with returning to their own time line. Who gets back first?

Stipulations: They don't know that the others have been transported back as well. They may interact with the inhabitants of the region if they choose to, but they are not allowed to alter the time line. Just for fun this takes place in the same universe as the "Back to the Future" movies.

Bouboumaster
Well, Reed win this easely.

Heck, he wins so hard that a make a stop in Lex Universe to help him.

eaebiakuya
The only lex that can try win a "prep" war against Reed is the pre-crisis.

Tony Stark
Reed stomps any and all Lex

Golgo13
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
The only lex that can try win a "prep" war against Reed is the pre-crisis.

Which one? Alex or Lex?

Brockalizer
I'm goin with Lex, partly for his intelligence, don't forget that in Red Son, he was pulling new technologies out his ass and knowing the purpose of alien technology with just a glance.
Reed knows that his actions can have major consequences on the future. Knowing this, he is much more likely to work slowly and deliberately, by himself, to protect the timeline, creating the technologies and fabricating the materials necessary to accomplish his goal.
Lex on the other hand is much more devious, not bound by conventional morality, and willing to accomplish his goals no matter the cost. Here is how I see it going down.
Lex picks an area, preferably an island, with a significantly xenophobic civilization and vast natural resources. Upon his arrival he uses his intellect to dupe the locals into worshiping him as a God. He then enslaves the population and uses his newly acquired workforce to begin manufacturing the raw materials necessary to build the devices required to get him back to his timeline. To preserve the timeline he leaves behind a destruct mechanism for the sole purpose of destroying that civilization upon his departure. Not only does this get him back to his timeline, but it also inspires Plato to write about the "lost continent of Atlantis".

Golgo13
Red Son Luthor? Reed wins.

Bentley
Originally posted by Golgo13
Red Son Luthor? Reed wins.


Such a DC hater.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
The only lex that can try win a "prep" war against Reed is the pre-crisis.

That.

Other than this retarded version, Reed stomps all over the place. Lex, Alex, the entire goddamn Luthor family on every timeline.

But for sure, if you use the version that can do timetravel with orange juice and a flashlight...

Brockalizer
It's not just about who can think a device to get them home first. There are logistical hurdles involved so that the timeline isn't compromised. If Reed uses his abilities to expedite the fabrication process then he'll have to work alone otherwise he runs the risk of being deified by the locals. Working alone will slow him down drastically, especially considering that he'll have to forge each and every nut and bolt from scratch, then manufacture the wiring, build the "engine", fabricate a power source etc. Lex wont have that problem because morally he'd have no problem killing off his worshipers when he leaves. So like I said earlier using slave labor he can build his device at a much faster pace.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by Brockalizer
It's not just about who can think a device to get them home first. There are logistical hurdles involved so that the timeline isn't compromised. If Reed uses his abilities to expedite the fabrication process then he'll have to work alone otherwise he runs the risk of being deified by the locals. Working alone will slow him down drastically, especially considering that he'll have to forge each and every nut and bolt from scratch, then manufacture the wiring, build the "engine", fabricate a power source etc. Lex wont have that problem because morally he'd have no problem killing off his worshipers when he leaves. So like I said earlier using slave labor he can build his device at a much faster pace.

But then again, Richards is a superhuman entity. He has power on his side, beside of his impossibly big brain.

Brockalizer
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
But then again, Richards is a superhuman entity. He has power on his side, beside of his impossibly big brain. Sure he's smart, I'll be the first to admit that, but he doesn't have superhuman speed, or at least a speed advantage capable of out building a workforce of thousands. Without speed he's gonna need a large labor force. Unfortunately for him he knows all too well how exposing bronze age scientists and craftsmen to that level of advancement would affect the timeline. There is a high probability that he would choose to work alone to avoid such a catastrophe. Doesn't matter how big his brain is he still has to build the device and any materials necessary for it's construction. I doubt that they had materials such as spools of wire, nuts & bolts, and temporal shifting thingamajigs simply laying around or in a significant quantity during the bronze age. Reed may have an advantage in overall intelligence, but Lex would have the edge in manpower and self serving deviousness.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Sure he's smart, I'll be the first to admit that, but he doesn't have superhuman speed, or at least a speed advantage capable of out building a workforce of thousands. Without speed he's gonna need a large labor force. Unfortunately for him he knows all too well how exposing bronze age scientists and craftsmen to that level of advancement would affect the timeline. There is a high probability that he would choose to work alone to avoid such a catastrophe. Doesn't matter how big his brain is he still has to build the device and any materials necessary for it's construction. I doubt that they had materials such as spools of wire, nuts & bolts, and temporal shifting thingamajigs simply laying around or in a significant quantity during the bronze age. Reed may have an advantage in overall intelligence, but Lex would have the edge in manpower and self serving deviousness.

But Reed is an expert in the field.
Luthor will have to build the machine, first of all. He'll have to think about it.
Reed knows how to do it.

Brockalizer
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
But Reed is an expert in the field.
Luthor will have to build the machine, first of all. He'll have to think about it.
Reed knows how to do it. They will both have to build their machines from scratch. The difference is Reed would probably be doing it on his own to protect the timeline, while Lex would probably have thousands of slaves to expedite the construction. As for the actual machine any first year physics student could design a time machine that would work in theory the only reason we haven't yet is resources. Lex may not be as smart as Reed, but, he is certainly smarter than the average physics major.

Golgo13
Alex and Pre-Crisis can certainly contend.

MF DELPH
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Scenario: During a battle in their respective universes Lex Luthor (Red Son) and Reed Richards (Earth 616) are transported somewhere in the Bronze age Mediterranean region of Earth. Using their vast intelligence they are now tasked with returning to their own time line. Who gets back first?

Stipulations: They don't know that the others have been transported back as well. They may interact with the inhabitants of the region if they choose to, but they are not allowed to alter the time line. Just for fun this takes place in the same universe as the "Back to the Future" movies.

Bronze Age of our Earth, or Bronze age of their Earths?

Brockalizer
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Bronze Age of our Earth, or Bronze age of their Earths? The answer is in the past sentence of the OP. Technically it's neither.

Sixth_Winged
Nothing from red son luthor makes me think he is worthy of polishing reeds shoes much less contend with him.

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