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This is a reprise of an ancient '09 thread I did. But a lot has been revealed in Naruto since then.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Movies included. Pretty easy question really. The posters can set-up various scenarios as they like, as a sizable portion of potential matches can depend greatly on the situation and circumstances.

Which ones can do it in 10 different scenarios?

Like most series that have notable power-ups, they make it to and stop at the 'Z' wall.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Like most series that have notable power-ups, they make it to and stop at the 'Z' wall.

They can likely beat Raditz, and *maybe* even Nappa.



Oh yea, and even stronger ones who stand around and get Genjutsu'd rather than blasting everything that moves.

Raditz is the most likely weakest character that can solo he dodged piccolos blast that destroyed the moon in seconds and though this is after his death piccolo had not started training yet and he also blew up mountains with a causal blast.

Originally posted by Ferret Fiend
Raditz is the most likely weakest character that can solo he dodged piccolos blast that destroyed the moon in seconds and though this is after his death piccolo had not started training yet and he also blew up mountains with a causal blast.

Naruto has multiple characters who can blow up mountains. That's no long enough.

Originally posted by Q99
Naruto has multiple characters who can blow up mountains. That's no long enough.

Yeah, we have has several big boomers happen in the last few arcs in Naruto... I think the idea of anything Piccolo Daimo or above is no longer valid. Things like Dust Release, perfect Susanoo and the more powerful Bijuu bombs hadn't occurred back in '09.

Shit, does this bump up to Nappa levels now? Higher?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Shit, does this bump up to Nappa levels now? Higher?

Yea, I think Nappa level.

Though the way DBZ power worked, much past that and powers just *explode*, so I don't think Vegeta, and definitely no villains past Vegeta.

Maybe Saiyan Saga Piccolo at most.

No where near nappa he blew up cities with 2 fingers and is physically stronger than all the Naruto guys

Roshi blew up the moon, guys. That was waaaaay back in original Dragon Ball.. Goku was almost at his weakest point since Roshi began training him.

Original Piccolo (Before Goku killed him) was able to wipe out countries pretty casually. There were 14 in total, I believe, and he chose to wipe out one a year, to mess with people, but he probably could have wipe them all off the map in a single day if he wanted to.. (He didn't put much effort behind his nuke level ki ball, and didn't seem particularly weakened.)

The problem is, even if they can take any attack from Naruto characters, Genjutsu can trap many DBZ characters.

Also, Naruto character are far stronger physically than DB characters until we get a ways into DBZ.

If you assume Ki-chakra equivalence exists, characters like Madara, Nagato & Tobi could probably absorb the energy attacks of DB characters.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If you assume Ki-chakra equivalence exists, characters like Madara, Nagato & Tobi could probably absorb the energy attacks of DB characters.

Maybe..

But they've never tried to absorb that much energy before.. Could overload them, if it doesn't kill them first.

Originally posted by cdtm
Roshi blew up the moon, guys. That was waaaaay back in original Dragon Ball.. Goku was almost at his weakest point since Roshi began training him.

Original Piccolo (Before Goku killed him) was able to wipe out countries pretty casually. There were 14 in total, I believe, and he chose to wipe out one a year, to mess with people, but he probably could have wipe them all off the map in a single day if he wanted to.. (He didn't put much effort behind his nuke level ki ball, and didn't seem particularly weakened.)

There were 50-some districts, not countries. The one he did destroy was a city.


Also? He was tired out after doing some city-busting attacks (not his first one, but doing another during the Goku fight). So yea, he's got limits.


The moon thing is drastically out-of-scale with everything else in DB unless the thing's incredibly fragile. The consistently shown destructive power of every other destruction feat in those timeframes is far far less.

Originally posted by Q99
There were 50-some districts, not countries. The one he did destroy was a city.


Also? He was tired out after doing some city-busting attacks (not his first one, but doing another during the Goku fight). So yea, he's got limits.


The moon thing is drastically out-of-scale with everything else in DB unless the thing's incredibly fragile. The consistently shown destructive power of every other destruction feat in those timeframes is far far less.

Yes, I agree. Unless the moon was made out of literal swiss cheese, the moon pop was by far the largest scale destructive attack in all Dragonball. And yet, I am not sure we can discount it as an outlier either... Within a single Saga, Z eclipsed this, and then some.

That said, I am still not sure if Nappa could solo Narutoverse anymore. He does have several advantages going for him in that he can fly, is far faster ordinarily compared to anyone in Narutoverse, and has at least standard Bijuu Ball level destructive attacks. However, he is still less destructive per blast than Perfect Susanoo, and any high end Bijuu Ball, either by Juubi or by Kurama with full partnership.

Also, Nappa isn't exactly smart, he can still fall prey to smarter tactics and Genjutsu.

You would need Ginyu Force power levels in order to make the power of the character eclipse the sheer stupidity of the character, there does come a point where one is so massively powered, strong, fast and capable of much larger than citybusting attacks that there is simply nothing anyone in Narutoverse can do individually or collectively. And I think Recoome is the point where there is no ifs and or buts about who could solo, even though Recoome is as dumb as a bag of hammers and thrice as dull.

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Originally posted by Q99
There were 50-some districts, not countries. The one he did destroy was a city.


Also? He was tired out after doing some city-busting attacks (not his first one, but doing another during the Goku fight). So yea, he's got limits.


The moon thing is drastically out-of-scale with everything else in DB unless the thing's incredibly fragile. The consistently shown destructive power of every other destruction feat in those timeframes is far far less.

Some of Z's strongest attacks have low collateral damage, though. Nappa puts almost no effort at all into his Finger Lift of Doom takes out around three cities, while Majin Vegeta's suicide attack covers relatively less of an area?

We can only speculate why this is, but maybe collateral damage is a poor indication of how much sheer power is in a given attack? Say, if he wants to nuke a city of normal humans, he can do so all day without effort, but if he wants to take out someone like Goku, he'd need to pack much more energy into his attack? (In other words, it takes less concentrated ki to nuke an area then it does to penetrate the defenses of a high level fighter?)

Originally posted by cdtm
Some of Z's strongest attacks have low collateral damage, though. Nappa puts almost no effort at all into his Finger Lift of Doom takes out around three cities, while Majin Vegeta's suicide attack covers relatively less of an area?

We can only speculate why this is, but maybe collateral damage is a poor indication of how much sheer power is in a given attack? Say, if he wants to nuke a city of normal humans, he can do so all day without effort, but if he wants to take out someone like Goku, he'd need to pack much more energy into his attack? (In other words, it takes less concentrated ki to nuke an area then it does to penetrate the defenses of a high level fighter?)

I guess then the only way to measure the effectiveness of an attack is not by sheer blast radius, but by what it actually destroys, or fails to destroy.

I think Dragon Ball is just extremely inconsistent because Toriyama initially meant for it to end with the Frieza saga. And up until that point things (mostly) make sense. But it's arguable, based on feats, some characters actually became weaker later on because of how weird the powercurve seems to be. Piccolo for example never surpasses blowing up the moon. It's his best feat by such a wide margin it's insane. shrug

That's because they have ki control and can control how much their blasts blow up. Piccolo was easily a planet buster by Namek saga.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I think Dragon Ball is just extremely inconsistent because Toriyama initially meant for it to end with the Frieza saga. And up until that point things (mostly) make sense. But it's arguable, based on feats, some characters actually became weaker later on because of how weird the powercurve seems to be. Piccolo for example never surpasses blowing up the moon. It's his best feat by such a wide margin it's insane. shrug Same goes for Roshi moon busting in his base form when he needed his max form to put out the mountain fire, admitting to overdoing it when he blows it up.

Wasn't that fire magical?

In an Anime Fikller episode the flames of Fire Mountain were caused by a leak in The Furnace Of Eight Divisions

However, because it's filler, I don't think it meets the canon authenticity test for anything outside the anime.

Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't that fire magical? A wizard did it. Regardless of nature, putting out the flames is below destroying the mountain, and Roshi needed his max form to do so.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
In an Anime Fikller episode the flames of Fire Mountain were caused by a leak in The Furnace Of Eight Divisions

However, because it's filler, I don't think it meets the canon authenticity test for anything outside the anime.

Outside the manga, you mean.

And agreed.

Where does "Battle of the Gods" stand? It's not from the manga, but Toriyama had more of a hand in it then filler or your average movie..

Majunior(Piccolo from DBZ) said he could destroy the planet when fighting Goku. If that's true or not, we don't know, but it could be, considering the fact that Raditz could easily destroy mountain ranges with a single ki blast that was comparable to Naruto using a single shadow clone in his base mode. Piccolo destroyed the moon with a simple ki blast that took less than two seconds to go from Earth to the moons core. Also, Battle of gods is canon, as stated by Akira Toriyama in Otaku 2012, when he first leaked info of the movie saying that it would nullify DBGT, turning it into expensive fan fiction.

Also, Genjutsu in Naruto can be rendered useless if you overpower the person using it, which is simple for anyone who can destroy the moon or over, meaning Roshi can beat any given Naruto character because he has enough power to destroy the moon, and Raditz can solo the Naruto-verse because he's a FTL casual moon buster/small planet buster.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Majunior(Piccolo from DBZ) said he could destroy the planet when fighting Goku. If that's true or not, we don't know, but it could be, considering the fact that Raditz could easily destroy mountain ranges with a single ki blast that was comparable to Naruto using a single shadow clone in his base mode. Piccolo destroyed the moon with a simple ki blast that took less than two seconds to go from Earth to the moons core. Also, Battle of gods is canon, as stated by Akira Toriyama in Otaku 2012, when he first leaked info of the movie saying that it would nullify DBGT, turning it into expensive fan fiction.

Well, I will say that mountain busting is a far cry from planet busting.

As for GT, well that was still produced under license.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Also, Genjutsu in Naruto can be rendered useless if you overpower the person using it, which is simple for anyone who can destroy the moon or over, meaning Roshi can beat any given Naruto character because he has enough power to destroy the moon, and Raditz can solo the Naruto-verse because he's a FTL casual moon buster/small planet buster.

Except he isn't FTL, that's a dub error that a large number of people still have not gotten over. Nor has he proven to be anywhere near planet busting levels, or in any scale that could actually matter. He could potentially bust Mercury, which is no bigger than the moon.

Originally posted by cdtm

Where does "Battle of the Gods" stand? It's not from the manga, but Toriyama had more of a hand in it then filler or your average movie..

It's canon.

Anime filler is only out because Toriyama's not involved. Toriyama-written anime is canon.

Most of you guys are high. No Naruto character has shown moon busting capabilities, except for Madara, Jyuubito, possibly Naruto and no one else. It can be speculated that Hashirama can, but he doesn't have any destructive attacks so far, so he mostly has moon+ durability, not destruction. Regardless, every genjutsu, even Tsukiyomi, is able to be negated with raw power, as witnessed when Sasuke broke out of it just by going curse mark stage 2.

Roshi blew up the moon in early Dragon Ball. Going by feats, no one in Naruto get's past Demon King Piccolo. However, they would all beat him with the shear advantage of numbers, so I would say Raditz could solo all of them, because Piccolo destroyed the moon with a casual ki blast, and his strongest blast couldn't even scratch Raditz. Only his special beam cannon could piece his armor, let alone the more durable flesh beneath it. Raditz throws casual mountain range busters like snowballs. He has small planet+ durability, he has 6-8 times FTL speed, which is faster than Hiraishin by 6-8 times, the fastest jutsu in Naruto. He can even go Oozaru if the moon is out, which would render even Infinite Tsukiyomi useless.

Anyone Nappa level+ easily stomps the entire Naruto-verse by waving his hand.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta


Roshi blew up the moon in early Dragon Ball.

Not to mention, was fast enough at that early stage to catch bullets from machinegun fire.

Something early 90's Wally West couldn't do, even though his traveling speed feata are generally more impressive.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention, was fast enough at that early stage to catch bullets from machinegun fire.

Something early 90's Wally West couldn't do, even though his traveling speed feata are generally more impressive.

Well, that was just Roshi. By the time kid Goku destroyed the Red ribbon army, he was easily dodging photon lasers that move at light speed like they weren't even moving. I've explained it before on other threads though, SSJ3 Goku is quadrillions of times faster than light without even using IT. Even Superman's top flight speed can't come CLOSE to that. Flash can run faster than Superman, but he would get blown away by his flight speed. Goku would rape Superman in a flight contest, and for short distances and combat speed, he would laugh at how slow Flash runs.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Most of you guys are high.

No, most just watched DBZ on youtube ten years later..

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well, that was just Roshi. By the time kid Goku destroyed the Red ribbon army, he was easily dodging photon lasers that move at light speed like they weren't even moving. I've explained it before on other threads though, SSJ3 Goku is quadrillions of times faster than light without even using IT. Even Superman's top flight speed can't come CLOSE to that. Flash can run faster than Superman, but he would get blown away by his flight speed. Goku would rape Superman in a flight contest, and for short distances and combat speed, he would laugh at how slow Flash runs.

You are correct he is exactly that fast. He literally is shown standing in the same spot even though he moved to dodge the attack...leaving his enemies speechless.

Superman and flash are fast don't get me wrong, but Goku's combat and movement speed is on another lvl..Supraman can not move back and forth to create an image of himself even though he is moving faster then light.

Piccolo in Z destroyed the moon.

Nappa would solo, lol.

To be safe, any Z fighter after the Saiyan Saga.