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No BFR

Didn't see Thor 2 yet. Oh Superman stomps uhuh

MOS Supes got kayoed by that little oil rig going boom, Kurse pounds his face into little gory bits.

Kurse got overpowered by a mini black hole. Superman overpowered one.

Haven't seen it yet so I can't say yet, but tonight is my anniversary and I'm going to see it with my squad. If it's good maybe I'll make me call me Thor while I'm tapping that ass.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kurse got overpowered by a mini black hole. Superman overpowered one.



Did Thor surpass Superman in his recent film?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Thor surpass Superman in his recent film?

I saw thor 2 last night for my b-day. Naw thor definitely didn't surpass Kal in man of steel. The movie was great though better than the first thor and waaay better than iron man 3.

Kurse had a black hole open up in like his torso. Thor also flew by and saved Loki from a black hole similar to Superman/Lois. Not even remotely comparable to having one sucking you up from the inside. Although the Phantom Zone was a portal to another dimension, not an actual singularity.

Superman might win through bfr or something.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Naw thor definitely didn't surpass Kal in man of steel.

As it should be, You are learning my young padawan

Wrong forum.

Get outta here.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
I saw thor 2 last night for my b-day. Naw thor definitely didn't surpass Kal in man of steel. The movie was great though better than the first thor and waaay better than iron man 3.

Cool, thanks. Might see this soon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kurse got overpowered by a mini black hole. Superman overpowered one.

When did Supes overpower a BH?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Thor surpass Superman in his recent film?

It will be hard for any Marvel film to show a power levels that exceed what we saw in MOS. Thats the charm of Marvel films. They tend to tone down the Uber powerful heroes to make the film somewhat more believable and not seem to much like a cartoon.
On the other hand DC (judging from MOS) has chosen the patch of a more extreme toonish approach. The final fight in MOS reminded me of a live action Dragonball Z fight. In that respect , they nailed it. Thats how i imagine a DBZ movie should be portrayed like.
Thats why MCU films seem to apeal more to non comic fans than DC's recent offering barring the nolan trilogy.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Thor surpass Superman in his recent film? No, Thor had a badass final showdown but it was nothing that MoS Supes couldn't replicate imo.

Was it between Kurse?

No, amped Malekith

Who was more uber? Kurse or Destroyer?

Why dont you just watch it?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Who was more uber? Kurse or Destroyer? LOL Destroyer was a joke

Originally posted by Inhuman
Why dont you just watch it? He's a hardcore DC fan, his eyes would melt.

Ben Affleck is both Batman and Daredevil

Originally posted by Parmaniac
He's a hardcore DC fan, his eyes would melt.

I think he may be already camping out in line to see superman vs. batman

Originally posted by Inhuman
I think he may be already camping out in line to see superman vs. batman

The movie will be glorious!

Originally posted by Inhuman
I think he may be already camping out in line to see superman vs. batman

The movie will be glorious!

Originally posted by Golgo13
The movie will be glorious! Originally posted by Golgo13
The movie will be glorious!

Damnit!

Originally posted by Golgo13
The movie will be glorious!

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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=89770

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Who is that guy? Don't know him. BTW, it hasn't been confirmed.

Let's hope he doesn't...

Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Thor surpass Superman in his recent film?

Nope. He was more impressive in Avengers.

Kurse was pretty uber though.

I liked all the mjolnir love.

Was pretty cool how Mjolnir was traveling in space looking for Thor. I also really liked when Thor smashed Malekith with a very short charge(unless he'd been consciously charging it while it was coming to him) and created that huge shockwave similar to the time Superman and Zod clashed in MoS


Don't see how he was more impressive in Avengers. Barring the leviathans busting blasts.

Edit This would be a cool fight, but I think Kal would eventually come out on top.

What made Thor so impressive in Avengers was throughout the movie he was pretty much unharmed. He took a punch to the face from the Hulk and all he got was a bloody nose. Heck, he also slammed into the ground at terminal velocity without any sign. Only other thing that hurt him was Loki stabbing him when he was distracted. He also took down the Leviathans with his super lightning and leveled a large section of a forest with that one hammer smash.

On a different note, I do like how this movie makes it seem that other Asgardian soldiers aren't useless. I mean a group of them were also able to take down a Kursed in the prologue.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I liked all the mjolnir love.

Was pretty cool how Mjolnir was traveling in space looking for Thor. I also really liked when Thor smashed Malekith with a very short charge(unless he'd been consciously charging it while it was coming to him) and created that huge shockwave similar to the time Superman and Zod clashed in MoS


I agree on Mjolnir thing. Nailed the small details.

also...
Did anyone else catch the 616 universe easter egg in the chalkboard? Or the cocoon in the post credit scene (Adam Warlock?)

Missed both.

Is the cocoon part of the Collector's collection.

Originally posted by ares834
Missed both.

Is the cocoon part of the Collector's collection.

Yes. in the collector collection there is a cocoon of sorts, but it could be anything

the 616 easter egg can be seen in this image. above left of his head. http://heronuggets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Thor-2-Erik-Board.jpg

Originally posted by Inhuman
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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=89770

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/09/adam-driver-nightwing-batman-vs-superman_n_4245899.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment

Originally posted by Golgo13
Who is that guy? Don't know him. BTW, it hasn't been confirmed.

Omg why him? He is a actor on a show I like called "girls" on hbo (don't judge me its a good show). He is good at what he does on the show but as nightwing? I am optimistic but I do not like this casting choice. He also played a small part in Lincoln, I saw him in it when I saw it at the theater. And apparently he models for gap because I see him on advertisements on buses. If this is true I don't know how the hell they are going to pull this off with all of these characters and weird combination of actors. Only time will tell.

Anyone have any idea how many tons was that giant boulder Kurse lifted and threw at Thor?

I havent see the movie yet but someone on comicvine said 340 tons. And another said easily over 100 but where they came up with these numbers is anyones guess. Deoends on the actual type of rock for one. About how large is it roughly?

Originally posted by Inhuman
Yes. in the collector collection there is a cocoon of sorts, but it could be anything

the 616 easter egg can be seen in this image. above left of his head. http://heronuggets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Thor-2-Erik-Board.jpg

Nice. Amazed someone saw that.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Anyone have any idea how many tons was that giant boulder Kurse lifted and threw at Thor?

I'd assume around 100 tons.

For comparisons sake this boulder is about 100 tons: http://art-for-a-change.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/vallen_levitated_mass.jpg

And the one in the movie seemed to be about that size IIRC.

Wouldn't be surprised if...

Agents of shield addressed the creature from the frost giants world that was seen running around london

Just saw the movie. Kurse would stomp. Not sure how i feel about Benicio Del Toro playing the Collector though. I hope they don't f*ck up the Infinity Gauntlet story.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Just saw the movie. Kurse would stomp. Not sure how i feel about Benicio Del Toro playing the Collector though. I hope they don't f*ck up the Infinity Gauntlet story. How does he stomp?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
How does he stomp? Based on how he was tearing through Asgardians like Doomsday was tearing through Improved probes and how it took a singularity to finally beat him. He gets impaled through the chest with a sword and Nurse's reaction was basically "seriously!?!" Movie Thor would give MOS a run for his money, not saying Thor would beat him, but it would be a good fight. Thor fighting Kurse was like Ronda Roussey fighting a cracked out Kain Velasquez.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Based on how he was tearing through Asgardians like Doomsday was tearing through Improved probes and how it took a singularity to finally beat him. He gets impaled through the chest with a sword and Nurse's reaction was basically "seriously!?!" Movie Thor would give MOS a run for his money, not saying Thor would beat him, but it would be a good fight. Thor fighting Kurse was like Ronda Roussey fighting a cracked out Kain Velasquez.

You're joking right?

Clark's first run as Superman had him hitting mountains with no damages been done to him whatsoever.

Taking on Faora and Nonat the same time.

Surviving a gravity base weapon that weakens him.

Escaping the pull of a black hole.

Then look at his fight against Zod.

Kurse did nothing that puts him on Kal league, let alone his radar.

Kurse was stomping Thor before a black hole was opened on his body. I agree with Rage that the circumstances around the singularity in Thor and MOS were different. Thor was shown having no defense to Kurse in their brief skirmish. I think Kurse would beat MOS.

Side Note: How the hell are they going to show Kurse as that much more formidable than The Destroyer?

A point is being made in the movie vs forum that Kurse was invulnerable only to asgardian weaponry and that it was the reason he no sold everything asgardian while Loki managd to pierce him like tissue with eflish weaponry.

I still think Kal is too much for Kurse even if we assume he will be as tough against Kal as he was against Thor.

Too fast, too tough and Kal had incredible stamina in MoS. Oh yeah flight too and heat vision.

I don't see Kal losing. Would still be a cool fight. I wanted Thor and Kurse to go at it for a longer time. Like Supes vs Zod.

I'm also a known Thor hater. No need to B.S. here; anybody who knows me can attest to that, but I have to give credit where credit is due. Thor was shown as beastly durable, and he looked indefensible against Kurse

One of my fav. moments fight wise was when Kurse threw the giant boulder on Thor.

Too bad movie critics are so anal. I would've loved more stuff like that.

Originally posted by SquallX
You're joking right?

Clark's first run as Superman had him hitting mountains with no damages been done to him whatsoever.

Taking on Faora and Nonat the same time.
The same Faora and Nonat that writhed in pain because they couldn't handle the noise. Nonat got knocked on his butt by machine gun fire for crissakes.

Originally posted by SquallX

Surviving a gravity base weapon that weakens him. So, Thor flew directly into a disintegrator beam with little or now damage in the first movie.

Originally posted by SquallX

Escaping the pull of a black hole.
Superman wasn't inside the event horizon, so it's not that impressive. Thor was outside the event horizon as well and wasn't even budged.

Originally posted by SquallX

Then look at his fight against Zod.

Kurse did nothing that puts him on Kal league, let alone his radar. Snyder-Zod wasn't that impressive. Donner-Zod would've made all four Kryptonians kneel and beg for mercy. I highly doubt that Superman would've casuallyt swatted Mjolnir aside the way Kurse did. MOS Superman exerted himself lifting part of an oil rig more than Kurse did lifting and throwing a solid, possibly heavier, chunk of rock.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
The same Faora and Nonat that writhed in pain because they couldn't handle the noise. Nonat got knocked on his butt by machine gun fire for crissakes.

So, Thor flew directly into a disintegrator beam with little or now damage in the first movie.


Superman wasn't inside the event horizon, so it's not that impressive. Thor was outside the event horizon as well and wasn't even budged.

Snyder-Zod wasn't that impressive. Donner-Zod would've made all four Kryptonians kneel and beg for mercy. I highly doubt that Superman would've casuallyt swatted Mjolnir aside the way Kurse did. MOS Superman exerted himself lifting part of an oil rig more than Kurse did lifting and throwing a solid, possibly heavier, chunk of rock. Thor flew directly into the beam with mjolnir. That doesn't add to his overall durability. Unless you're saying he could do same as Supes with Mjolnir n' stuff. Then yes I agree. Kal gets the chops because he was getting weaker every passing second. To the point he could barely fly at times.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
A point is being made in the movie vs forum that Kurse was invulnerable only to asgardian weaponry and that it was the reason he no sold everything asgardian while Loki managd to pierce him like tissue with eflish weaponry.

That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. Not once was that suggested.

First of all, the Kursed were not immune to Asgardian weaponry (We ignoring the opening sequence?), Algrim was just that powerful for some reason. And Loki piercing Kurse with an Elven blade is no different from him being able to pierce Thor with Asgardian steel. There steel is apparently just that potent.

Unless Superman is going to get his hands on these weapons, I don't understand it's relevancy.

LoL. I'm not behind the argument. I don't even remember anyone saying he will be immune to their weapons.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Nonat got knocked on his butt by machine gun fire for crissakes.

So? It did no visible damage.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Snyder-Zod wasn't that impressive. Donner-Zod would've made all four Kryptonians kneel and beg for mercy. I highly doubt that Superman would've casuallyt swatted Mjolnir aside the way Kurse did. MOS Superman exerted himself lifting part of an oil rig more than Kurse did lifting and throwing a solid, possibly heavier, chunk of rock.

The Oil Rig should have weighed far more. And Namek threw a train car across the entirety of a city.

Ultimately, Superman's and Kurse's strength seem comparable and Kurse has shown to be bale to react to Superman-esque speeds. It's a good fight but I favor Superman due tho his higher mobility.

I can't see how people say Kurse was more powerful then destroyer, Thor only defeated the destroyer by using Mjolnir to force the destroyer beam into it own body.

Superman appeared to around the same durability as Thor from what was shown in Thor2

We yet to see a clear show of strength from Thor lifting wise We did see him easily toss a car around in avergers and stop hulks punches pretty well but i would guess his strength is close enough to Supermans seeing he best strength feat was bracing against the oil rig granted he didn't have the full weighton him.

As far as speed goes Mjolnir was moving uber fast and Kurse reacted with ease to stop it something Sthrength was i can't see Superman doing.

Don't see how you gather Thor being near Superman's durability from the movie. Thor got bruises and scratches throughout the movie.

Superman got none.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Don't see how you gather Thor being near Superman's durability from the movie. Thor got bruises and scratches throughout the movie.

Superman got none. Your right the brusies and scatches have it Supermans durability is way higher, Superman and Thor to very comparable hits from heavy objects and both had trouble getting up a few times, from what i have seen in both movies.

I agree with that. I think Superman is more durable, but Thor is no slouch. He was punched into a mountain and got a gigantic boulder thrown on him.

Wish I could find a clip of the fight with Kurse damn it.

Thor is easier to bleed I guess but ultimately I'd say can take a punch or energy blast and get back right up similar to Superman. So pretty much how comic portrayals go I guess lol.

I'll watch the movie again in about two hours but I think the only one who messed him up was Kurse but the dude was a monster. Still, Thor didn't get knocked out IIRC.

I don't see how anybody could think Superman could casually slap aside a soaring Mjolnir like that. That was easily the most impressive thing Kurse did. I mean, I haven't even really seen that happen in comics, much less the movies.

Don't think anyone said anything like that, did they?

Originally posted by ODG
I don't see how anybody could think Superman could casually slap aside a soaring Mjolnir like that. That was easily the most impressive thing Kurse did. I mean, I haven't even really seen that happen in comics, much less the movies. No one even suggested this. Are you hallucinating?

With that said. I do believe Superman could have done the same thing. Here is my reasoning.

Mjolnir returning to Thor is far weaker than Thor throwing it for attack. Kurse hit it away when it was trying to return to Thor's hand and not when Thor threw it at him for attack. Now if Kurse hit it away after Thor threw it at him then I would be impressed. But Superman's strength feats suggests he can do the same. Hell Zoara casually and effortlessly threw Superman over a mile away through construction and buildings and made him severely dent a steel safe. Also Kal destroyed a freaking giant spaceship while weakened and going against super gravity.

Pretty sure Kurse hit it away twice, once when it was thrown at him.

Originally posted by Mindset
Pretty sure Kurse hit it away twice, once when it was thrown at him. I missed that.

When he was walking back to the ship with Malekith, iirc.

Originally posted by Mindset
When he was walking back to the ship with Malekith, iirc. I have to see it again. Must have happened when I spilled some popcorn on my date LOL.

But this fight is incredible. Watch how Zod throws Superman through at least 5 skycrapers.

CyPGlMXUwVg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z261/TheAceRock/RandyMarshJizz.jpg

I don't know...Kurse was beastly in the movie and nothing seemed to stop him except the Black Hole bomb that was opened on him.

I might give this one to Kurse.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have to see it again. Must have happened when I spilled some popcorn on my date LOL.

But this fight is incredible. Watch how Zod throws Superman through at least 5 skycrapers.

CyPGlMXUwVg

Superman's durability was off the charts.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have to see it again. Must have happened when I spilled some popcorn on my date LOL.

But this fight is incredible. Watch how Zod throws Superman through at least 5 skycrapers.

CyPGlMXUwVg I could see Kurse shrugging that off, tbh.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have to see it again. Must have happened when I spilled some popcorn on my date LOL.

But this fight is incredible. Watch how Zod throws Superman through at least 5 skycrapers.

CyPGlMXUwVg



I'm so f*cking conflicted.

On one hand, that was f*cking awesome and hilarious. On the other hand, all those people man. All those people.

Ngghh. I don't know man. I think ultimately, I prefer Marvel's more comic book like physics when it comes to their heroes. As long as they have the occasional feats to establish that they are extremely powerful, I'm fine with them not being mass murderers.

It would be cool to see Hulk vs. Thor tearing up a city. I remember Goyer saying how a fight between Hulk and Thor should cause massive damage logically. That being said, I hope it's an abandoned city.

Fyi though, I think Kurse would pretty much just dust himself off from all of that.

On a side note, I really like how flying for the Kryptonians is pretty much telekinesis. I hope they expand on that in the next movie.

Edit: I love how Superman just casually strolls out as a giant Skyscraper falls down, probably killing hundreds. And then dodges a truck and watches a parking garage go down, probably killing dozens more.

I'm fine with Kal's reckless, messy fighting since it is his first time. However the exploding gas truck was just ridiculous and really OOC for him. he was basically stroking himself because of his super swag *SMH*

Put the clip on mute and you don't know who's trying to save the city.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I'm fine with Kal's reckless, messy fighting since it is his first time. However the exploding gas truck was just ridiculous and really OOC for him. he was basically stroking himself because of his super swag *SMH*

There's being reckless, and there's having a disregard for human life bordering on the inhumane.

Seriously, a giant Skyscraper was falling down on people as he casually walks out of rubble. And he looks so smug.

I'm not even upset anymore. Enough time has past that I can reflect and have fun. Imo, a few scenes of Superman going out of his way to protect civilians would have gone a long way. Like, as Zod recovers from a collision, Superman is saving lives even though he's in pain, reinforcing the fact that he's a hero and it's not only his powers that make him great as he's pushing himself beyond what another Kryptonian could do.

But that's just mo.

Originally posted by Mindset
Put the clip on mute and you don't know who's trying to save the city.



The best part is that immediately after the Zod neck snapping scene, we cut off to Superman crashing an army drone, joking around (Glad to see that all those deaths, including killing Zod didn't affect him at all ), and asking the World to trust him.

superdur

Also, lol, those people could have easily gotten away.

Originally posted by Mindset
Also, lol, those people could have easily gotten away.

Yea. Some of those people just stood there watching that shit fall. Smh.

kurse definitely did slap away the hammer twice. once when thor threw the hammer at him. thor getting up after being pounded by kurse, scratches or not, shows he has blunt force durability at least on par with mos superman imo. superman got hurt in mos, but they just decided not to show scratches for some reason. the scratches really mean little imo. just artistic perspective...

to thor fans

is kurse really that bad ass in the comics? I just don't remember him being that much superior to thor in the comics.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's being reckless, and there's having a disregard for human life bordering on the inhumane.

Seriously, a giant Skyscraper was falling down on people as he casually walks out of rubble. And he looks so smug.

I'm not even upset anymore. Enough time has past that I can reflect and have fun. Imo, a few scenes of Superman going out of his way to protect civilians would have gone a long way. Like, as Zod recovers from a collision, Superman is saving lives even though he's in pain, reinforcing the fact that he's a hero and it's not only his powers that make him great as he's pushing himself beyond what another Kryptonian could do.

But that's just mo.

I'm fine with what they did. But yeah, a few more scenes were he rescues random people would have certainly helped.

Kurse really pounded on Thor f*cking good but the dude got right back up.

Zod had a similar effect on Clark when he struck him with the back of the I-Beam for example.

About the scratches: The director said he wanted to make the Asgardian's more relatable. That the heroes could be hurt and such. Personally, I thought that meant turning Thor into Conan. I guess making him a bit more vulnerable is fine as long is doesn't really change anything.

Fyi, I counted (Lol), and Thor had exactly four small cuts from Kurse's assault. Two on his forehead, one on his cheek, and one on his lip. That's the kind of shit that wouldn't slow down that pussy Pr, much less Thor.

Originally posted by Raisen
to thor fans

is kurse really that bad ass in the comics? I just don't remember him being that much superior to thor in the comics.

Very often, Kurse dominates Thor, yea. But in a movie, it's a lot more real and comes off very brutal.

Although Thor usually puts up a decent defense and holds his own. I'd have liked to see Thor and Kurse's fight continue if Thor managed to get to Mjolnir somehow. After that blind side attack, he was on him immediately and wouldn't let up. Dude wasn't taking any prisoners.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have to see it again. Must have happened when I spilled some popcorn on my date LOL.

Did you even see the movie lel?
Judging from your post, it seemed more like a dream you had of you going to see it.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I'm fine with Kal's reckless, messy fighting since it is his first time. However the exploding gas truck was just ridiculous and really OOC for him. he was basically stroking himself because of his super swag *SMH*

They're definitely going to build upon that.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/batman-vs-superman-man-steel-ending-deeply-affects-132200176.html

Originally posted by Inhuman
Did you even see the movie lel?
Judging from your post, it seemed more like a dream you had of you going to see it.

Superman wins.

Originally posted by Golgo13
They're definitely going to build upon that.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/batman-vs-superman-man-steel-ending-deeply-affects-132200176.html

Jesus reading that just confirms how awful Snyder was for this franchise.



Really? Theres a comic where Superman makes a freaking porno. I guess that means the idea that Superman doesnt do porn is just a myth. Way to defend your shitty artistic decision.



Applause.

I'd think Superman would care more about the thousands of people who died from him fighting Zod like a retard, than him killing Zod.

But w/e.

Superman wins easily.

No.

Originally posted by Mindset
No.

Yes.

Wrong.

Originally posted by Mindset
Wrong.

How?

Originally posted by Odekahn
How? By not being right.

Originally posted by Mindset
By not being right.

In what way?

Originally posted by Odekahn
In what way? The wrong way.

Originally posted by Mindset
The wrong way.

You win.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Superman wins easily. Originally posted by Mindset
No. Originally posted by Odekahn
Yes. Originally posted by Mindset
Wrong. Originally posted by Odekahn
How? Originally posted by Mindset
By not being right. Originally posted by Odekahn
In what way? Originally posted by Mindset
The wrong way. Originally posted by Odekahn
You win. Best debate ever.

....


Second that.

That belongs in LordofBrooklyn's best of 2013 thread.

Originally posted by Diesldude
That belongs in LordofBrooklyn's best of 2013 thread. Nothing good belongs there

Superman wins. Sorry guys, I just wasn't that impressed with any of the feats in this movie. Also, Rage, what are your thoughts on Thor piloting that ship through Asgard smashing through all those buildings? Loki even talked about how Thor was smashing half of Asgard on their way out. Didn't that seem a little reckless?

Originally posted by emporerpants
Superman wins. Sorry guys, I just wasn't that impressed with any of the feats in this movie. Also, Rage, what are your thoughts on Thor piloting that ship through Asgard smashing through all those buildings? Loki even talked about how Thor was smashing half of Asgard on their way out. Didn't that seem a little reckless? Smashing half of Asgard? lmao

He didn't even knock down a single building. He smashed some pillars, took off part of a building, or monument, and a smashed a statue.

No one died from what Thor did, also, it was the only way to save the universe.

Originally posted by emporerpants
Superman wins. Sorry guys, I just wasn't that impressed with any of the feats in this movie. Also, Rage, what are your thoughts on Thor piloting that ship through Asgard smashing through all those buildings? Loki even talked about how Thor was smashing half of Asgard on their way out. Didn't that seem a little reckless?

Lol, wait what?

Did you watch the same movie as everyone else? Thor took down like maybe 3 pillars, and damaged Bor's statue. That's it.

If it was Superman flying, he would have directed the ship straight at the most populated areas of the city and try and go through as many buildings as possible. He'd probably fire off some energy blasts at day-cares for good measure.

Also, half of Asgard? What? Asgard was huge. The boundaries of the city extended far from the palace. It was more like a small country. I wish we'd get to see more of it. Looks beautiful.

k. Sad that Thor didn't try to save anybody at that library at the end. He was busy fighting though right? Still, a scene of him at least trying to save them would have been nice, to show that he cared. Oh well, he had to stop bad guys, I understand.

Where you watching the same movie when you saw MOS? Superman himself destroyed about as much of Metropolis as Thor did of Asgard. Zod was the one smashing him through buildings, and the world engine caused most of the destruction. But whateves. I did like Thor the Dark World. Just liked MOS better. To each their own.

No body in the library needed saving.

You're super butthurt.

Plot of Superman vs. Batman: "Bruce Banner has to figure out a way to bring the alien Kal-El to justice for mass murdering thousands of human beings"_ Zack Snyder

Well at least Superman doesn't take the time to get felt up by strangers on a train when the universe is in need of saving...

Originally posted by ares834
Well at least Superman doesn't take the time to get felt up by strangers on a train when the universe is in need of saving... Supes only had to save Earth, Thor saved the universe.

Kal isn't ready for the big leagues.

Originally posted by Mindset
Supes only had to save Earth, Thor saved the universe.

Kal isn't ready for the big leagues.

This.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, wait what?

He'd probably fire off some energy blasts at day-cares for good measure.

And this lol

Kal barely cleaned up his own mess, it was him activating the beacon in the kryptonian ship that brought Zod & Co to Earth.

MOS was till a notch above TTDW tho.

I havent seen Thor 2 yet. He is one of my favorites. And I cant stand superman, but MOS and the Batman trilogy are my favorite superhero movies so far.

God, I really can't recall a big-name superhero movie, since IM, that was as boring as MoS.

Superman was bland, Shannon as Zod was godawful (as he is in Boardwalk Empire) and the whole plot was just ... boring.

Thor & Thor:TDW are both good films, nothing special, but good fun if you don't think about any of the nonsensical plots.


Avengers is the high-watermark of the genre, with IM3, TDK and TDR following a little behind, imo.

Originally posted by Mindset
Nope, Thor saved the universe.

Canon.
So, you fell asleep during the finale? Understandable.

Padme Forster saved the universe.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ngghh. I don't know man. I think ultimately, I prefer Marvel's more comic book like physics when it comes to their heroes. As long as they have the occasional feats to establish that they are extremely powerful, I'm fine with them not being mass murderers.

To quote myself:

"It's actually pretty funny, I sat down to rewatch the climax of Avengers in comparison to Man of Steel to see just what about it was more heroic and satisfying to more discerning fans.

In no particular order; the following happens:

-The first Leviathan they destroy ends up exploding into a million chunks, it's corpse raining down upon a crowd of bystanders who run away in terror as it destroys a few cars.

-Hulk rampages through a crowded office building, jumps out the window onto another Leviathan, and then redirects BACK into the same office building. I can only imagine how many people were injured by shattered glass as Hulk jumps from building to building.

-Tony leads dozens of mooks and a Leviathan throughout the streets, as they explode Star Wars style into buildings and into the streets. This is despite Tony saying several times that they need to keep off the streets.

-Thor and Hulk double team another one of those stupid Leviathans, killing it and hurling its corpse down into what I can only assume is Grand Central. Once again a crowd of bystanders scream in terror as they desperately try and get away. Also worth noting that these stations were where Cap told one of the officers to start redirecting civilians to, in order to get them out of the way. Guess Thor and Hulk didn't get the memo.

It's true that the Avengers do show concern for civilians like...two times? They get some people off a bus and Cap tells some police officers to do their jobs, because apparently emergency workers have never been trained in the art of evacuating people. I guess ultimately my biggest problem with it, is that it feels so dishonest. Sanitized and squeaky clean, despite the fact that it clearly involved a death toll as large as Man of Steel's, but unlike Whedon, Goyer never shies away from the fact that it was a tragedy. Superman cries not only at the death of the Zod, but his failure to save everyone the way Jor-El knew he could. Tony thinks everyone should go out for schwarma. That displays a hell of a lot more disregard and apathy to the destruction than Kal ever did.

Meanwhile, I sneakily re-watched the final fight in Man of Steel and guess what? Superman doesn't punch Zod through any buildings. Not one. He does smash his face into some glass windows and knock him through a few construction girders, though. What an evil bastard."


Anyone arguing that the Avengers were pure heroes who caused no destruction or death is a goddamn liar. And yet people only ever complain about MoS when the Avengers cause just as much damage as Supes does and are equally as reckless as him.

Really not seeing how Kurse wins. Sure the dude would put up a hell of a fight but swatting away Mjolnir was more impressive than beating this shit out of Thor IMO. To be honest Thor and the rest of the Asgardian all appear to be chumps. I don't know if its just me expecting them to be Marvel's version of kryptonians or what but goddamn they were unimpressive.

I'm pretty sure Supes could land a few blows plus he has the advantage of flight, super-speed, and heat vision. Or he could just snap his neck

Superman wins, but he'll have a tough time. Kurse is a better fighter and IMO stronger. Durability is about the same. Only thing that gives Supes advantage is his speed, flight, and maybe heat vision.

Now if it was Kurse vs. Faora... actually, let me make a thread of that right now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To quote myself:

"It's actually pretty funny, I sat down to rewatch the climax of Avengers in comparison to Man of Steel to see just what about it was more heroic and satisfying to more discerning fans.

In no particular order; the following happens:

-The first Leviathan they destroy ends up exploding into a million chunks, it's corpse raining down upon a crowd of bystanders who run away in terror as it destroys a few cars.

-Hulk rampages through a crowded office building, jumps out the window onto another Leviathan, and then redirects BACK into the same office building. I can only imagine how many people were injured by shattered glass as Hulk jumps from building to building.

-Tony leads dozens of mooks and a Leviathan throughout the streets, as they explode Star Wars style into buildings and into the streets. This is despite Tony saying several times that they need to keep off the streets.

-Thor and Hulk double team another one of those stupid Leviathans, killing it and hurling its corpse down into what I can only assume is Grand Central. Once again a crowd of bystanders scream in terror as they desperately try and get away. Also worth noting that these stations were where Cap told one of the officers to start redirecting civilians to, in order to get them out of the way. Guess Thor and Hulk didn't get the memo.

It's true that the Avengers do show concern for civilians like...two times? They get some people off a bus and Cap tells some police officers to do their jobs, because apparently emergency workers have never been trained in the art of evacuating people. I guess ultimately my biggest problem with it, is that it feels so dishonest. Sanitized and squeaky clean, despite the fact that it clearly involved a death toll as large as Man of Steel's, but unlike Whedon, Goyer never shies away from the fact that it was a tragedy. Superman cries not only at the death of the Zod, but his failure to save everyone the way Jor-El knew he could. Tony thinks everyone should go out for schwarma. That displays a hell of a lot more disregard and apathy to the destruction than Kal ever did.

Meanwhile, I sneakily re-watched the final fight in Man of Steel and guess what? Superman doesn't punch Zod through any buildings. Not one. He does smash his face into some glass windows and knock him through a few construction girders, though. What an evil bastard."


Anyone arguing that the Avengers were pure heroes who caused no destruction or death is a goddamn liar. And yet people only ever complain about MoS when the Avengers cause just as much damage as Supes does and are equally as reckless as him.

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Originally posted by janus77
So, you fell asleep during the finale? Understandable.

Padme Forster saved the universe.

Thor was also instrumental. Be fair now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To quote myself:

"It's actually pretty funny, I sat down to rewatch the climax of Avengers in comparison to Man of Steel to see just what about it was more heroic and satisfying to more discerning fans.

In no particular order; the following happens:

-The first Leviathan they destroy ends up exploding into a million chunks, it's corpse raining down upon a crowd of bystanders who run away in terror as it destroys a few cars.

-Hulk rampages through a crowded office building, jumps out the window onto another Leviathan, and then redirects BACK into the same office building. I can only imagine how many people were injured by shattered glass as Hulk jumps from building to building.

-Tony leads dozens of mooks and a Leviathan throughout the streets, as they explode Star Wars style into buildings and into the streets. This is despite Tony saying several times that they need to keep off the streets.

-Thor and Hulk double team another one of those stupid Leviathans, killing it and hurling its corpse down into what I can only assume is Grand Central. Once again a crowd of bystanders scream in terror as they desperately try and get away. Also worth noting that these stations were where Cap told one of the officers to start redirecting civilians to, in order to get them out of the way. Guess Thor and Hulk didn't get the memo.

It's true that the Avengers do show concern for civilians like...two times? They get some people off a bus and Cap tells some police officers to do their jobs, because apparently emergency workers have never been trained in the art of evacuating people. I guess ultimately my biggest problem with it, is that it feels so dishonest. Sanitized and squeaky clean, despite the fact that it clearly involved a death toll as large as Man of Steel's, but unlike Whedon, Goyer never shies away from the fact that it was a tragedy. Superman cries not only at the death of the Zod, but his failure to save everyone the way Jor-El knew he could. Tony thinks everyone should go out for schwarma. That displays a hell of a lot more disregard and apathy to the destruction than Kal ever did.

Meanwhile, I sneakily re-watched the final fight in Man of Steel and guess what? Superman doesn't punch Zod through any buildings. Not one. He does smash his face into some glass windows and knock him through a few construction girders, though. What an evil bastard."


Anyone arguing that the Avengers were pure heroes who caused no destruction or death is a goddamn liar. And yet people only ever complain about MoS when the Avengers cause just as much damage as Supes does and are equally as reckless as him.

I don't even know why this is an issue. Marvel heroes do kill, and they don't shy away from it when it needs to be done. Ironman killed like a dozen terrorist in cold blood when they were holding people hostage. Captain America shot down and even knifed hydra soldiers. No need to even mention Thor and Hulk.

DC heroes on the other hand like to play dark and gritty and all, but they shy away from killing. They have this notion that they can be vigilantes and save mankind from crazy and sometimes superpowered villains without killing.

Personally, that's why I prefer Marvel heroes. Just more badass all around.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't even know why this is an issue. Marvel heroes do kill, and they don't shy away from it when it needs to be done. Ironman killed like a dozen terrorist in cold blood when they were holding people hostage. Captain America shot down and even knifed hydra soldiers. No need to even mention Thor and Hulk.

DC heroes on the other hand like to play dark and gritty and all, but they shy away from killing. They have this notion that they can be vigilantes and save mankind from crazy and sometimes superpowered villains without killing.

Personally, that's why I prefer Marvel heroes. Just more badass all around.

But everyone loves Marvel heroes as of late even though they have absurd body counts on top of Collateral damage. Also wasn't the government trying to nuke New York in the off chance it would stop an alien invasion.

Agreed.

Except when they're not badass *coughIM3cough*. Really though Phase 2 has focused a tad too much on humor...which is weird since MoS wasn't in a light tone at all.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
But everyone loves Marvel heroes as of late even though they have absurd body counts on top of Collateral damage. Also wasn't the government trying to nuke New York in the off chance it would stop an alien invasion.

Agreed.

Except when they're not badass *coughIM3cough*. Really though Phase 2 has focused a tad too much on humor...which is weird since MoS wasn't in a light tone at all.

Well I can't speak for anybody, but for me the reason I prefer Marvel heroes despite their willingness to kill is because they know what they need to do and they do it. They may or may not feel guilt over it but whatever complaints they have they suck it up and do what needs to be done.

DC heroes come off as a bit contradictory, because they're going outside the law to deliver justice, they're using violence as a means for justice, and yet they're afraid to kill. Heck, they're afraid to even maim or seriously injure their opponents. It just really seems stupid when you're using violence to stop injustice and yet whine when you get people hurt.

That's like a guy saying he wants to be a soldier, trains to be a soldier, and then refuses to pull the trigger in the battlefield because he doesn't want to hurt anyone.

Kurse, easily.

Superman FTW

Destroyed a world engine; endured the might of a black hole.

Kurse beats the sh1t out of him.

MoS Superman is much weaker than his former carnations, but his feats are still better than anything we actually saw Kurse do.

Superman powered through a planetary terraformer. It literally shot through one end of the planet out the other side.

What does Kurse have to compare?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
MoS Superman is much weaker than his former carnations, but his feats are still better than anything we actually saw Kurse do.
I am not sure how enduring the might of a blackhole makes him much weaker.

MoS depicts Superman in the process of self-discovery; he continues to learn something new about himself with passage of time. By the time Zod & Co. arrive, Superman have honed his talents to great degree but I think that he have more left in him in the context of reboot series.

He didn't withstand the power of a black hole.

The grenades obviously worked in the same manner as a black hole, but I'd like to see evidence that hey exterted the same amount of gravitic pressure as an actual black hole.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
He didn't withstand the power of a black hole.

The grenades obviously worked in the same manner as a black hole, but I'd like to see evidence that hey exterted the same amount of gravitic pressure as an actual black hole.
He resisted the pull of the black hole. Their are signs of tearing on his face when he pulls away from the black hole.

Also, it is black hole. Big or small, black holes are unprecedentedly powerful phenomenon.

-Zod said "black hole" in the beginning of the film.

-Dr. Emil Hamilton said "singularity".

-General Swanwick asked "like a black hole?" in response.

-Superman confirmed.

Survey says: There were black holes in MoS and Superman overpowered himself away from one's pull.

There was a glaring plot error in that scene though, Lois Lane for some unknown reason is seemingly immune to the pull of a singularity. She fell downward while large chunks of buildings and cars where being torn off and sucked up, even other Krytponians couldn't resist. She also survived utterly unscathed while Superman showed a little discomfort when powering away from the gravitational pull.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Superman powered through a planetary terraformer. It literally shot through one end of the planet out the other side.

What does Kurse have to compare?

Originally posted by Nephthys
To quote myself:

"It's actually pretty funny, I sat down to rewatch the climax of Avengers in comparison to Man of Steel to see just what about it was more heroic and satisfying to more discerning fans.

In no particular order; the following happens:

-The first Leviathan they destroy ends up exploding into a million chunks, it's corpse raining down upon a crowd of bystanders who run away in terror as it destroys a few cars.

-Hulk rampages through a crowded office building, jumps out the window onto another Leviathan, and then redirects BACK into the same office building. I can only imagine how many people were injured by shattered glass as Hulk jumps from building to building.

-Tony leads dozens of mooks and a Leviathan throughout the streets, as they explode Star Wars style into buildings and into the streets. This is despite Tony saying several times that they need to keep off the streets.

-Thor and Hulk double team another one of those stupid Leviathans, killing it and hurling its corpse down into what I can only assume is Grand Central. Once again a crowd of bystanders scream in terror as they desperately try and get away. Also worth noting that these stations were where Cap told one of the officers to start redirecting civilians to, in order to get them out of the way. Guess Thor and Hulk didn't get the memo.

It's true that the Avengers do show concern for civilians like...two times? They get some people off a bus and Cap tells some police officers to do their jobs, because apparently emergency workers have never been trained in the art of evacuating people. I guess ultimately my biggest problem with it, is that it feels so dishonest. Sanitized and squeaky clean, despite the fact that it clearly involved a death toll as large as Man of Steel's, but unlike Whedon, Goyer never shies away from the fact that it was a tragedy. Superman cries not only at the death of the Zod, but his failure to save everyone the way Jor-El knew he could. Tony thinks everyone should go out for schwarma. That displays a hell of a lot more disregard and apathy to the destruction than Kal ever did.

Meanwhile, I sneakily re-watched the final fight in Man of Steel and guess what? Superman doesn't punch Zod through any buildings. Not one. He does smash his face into some glass windows and knock him through a few construction girders, though. What an evil bastard."


Anyone arguing that the Avengers were pure heroes who caused no destruction or death is a goddamn liar. And yet people only ever complain about MoS when the Avengers cause just as much damage as Supes does and are equally as reckless as him.
You're just a marvel hater.

uhuh

J/K.

Superman wasn't near the center of the black hole though. He flew to catch Lois while Lois was falling, and by that very fact -that Lois was falling instead of being sucked into the blackhole- that should show you just how weak the pull of the black hole was at that distance.

So, not really a good feat for Superman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Superman wasn't near the center of the black hole though. He flew to catch Lois while Lois was falling, and by that very fact -that Lois was falling instead of being sucked into the blackhole- that should show you just how weak the pull of the black hole was at that distance.

So, not really a good feat for Superman.

As explained above, the Lois thing was a stupid plot point, as cars and large chunks of nearby buildings were being sucked up.

Zod's people and Superman's face being 'pulled' was an SFX to show us the intense gravitational pull.

Originally posted by Robtard
As explained above, the Lois thing was a stupid plot point, as cars and large chunks of nearby buildings were being sucked up.

Zod's people and Superman's face being 'pulled' was an SFX to show us the intense gravitational pull.

Yes, it was contradictory. My point however was that it showed how far Superman was from the center of the black hole. If the heaviest thing that the blackhole was sucking from that distance was cars, then it's not a huge strength feat for Superman considering he can easily toss cars.

The black hole thing's only real error is the Lois thing.

Thankfully the Terraformer feat more than makes up for it.

Originally posted by Robtard
As explained above, the Lois thing was a stupid plot point, as cars and large chunks of nearby buildings were being sucked up.

Zod's people and Superman's face being 'pulled' was an SFX to show us the intense gravitational pull. He called you out. Quit ignoring this due to fanboyism.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, it was contradictory.

My point however was that it showed how far Superman was from the center of the black hole. If the heaviest thing that the blackhole was sucking from that distance was cars, then it's not a huge strength feat for Superman considering he can easily toss cars.

Stupid plot errors happen, they needed a Lois rescue scene it seemed.

It's still a black hole and it was powerful enough to affect Superman somewhat, tells me it was plenty powerful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He called you out. Quit ignoring this due to fanboyism.

Adults are debating, I know you hate MoS despite not watching it, but do be quiet.

Superman wins in an extremely hard fight.

It won't be that hard.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It won't be that hard.

Why not? We don't even know how to kill Kurse without a blackhole grenade. A sword through his chest didn't even cripple him.

Because Superman isn't just a little stronger or faster than Thor. He could roll through the entire Avengers roster as though they were made of tissue paper. His speed is sufficient to go to the other side of the planet in a few moments, his durability great enough to tank planetary terraforming that shot from one side of the planet to the other end. His strength is enough to outright kill other beings of his nature, and he of course had to overpower that beam.

MOS Destroys, there is nothing that can hurt him