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The bad guys or the good guys?

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Umm, brutal seems to have the magic weakness, so if thor and bill take him out fast they would have a chance against ulty.
so i'd say tteam marvel should win 6/10

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Umm, brutal seems to have the magic weakness

Maybe, but Fate didn't do shit to him before he got curbstomped

A Fate with no fts. I'm giving this to Thor and Bill after a brutaal battle.

Originally posted by carver9
A Fate with no fts. I'm giving this to Thor and Bill after a brutaal battle.

Minimal feats. He still beat Wotan. Now, while Wotan was basically featless, we can assume he didn't get a major downgrade.

Originally posted by Cogito
Maybe, but Fate didn't do shit to him before he got curbstomped
Nah, that was because he got attacked from behind, a clear indicator of that brutal is afraid of the magic to me.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Nah, that was because he got attacked from behind, a clear indicator of that brutal is afraid of the magic to me.

Yeah, it was heavily implied that Brutaal has a magic weakness, no doubt about it.

Brutaal: "Magic. No! More--Magic!"
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Unfortunately, what we didn't see is what extent magic hurts him, because as you can obviously see Fate didn't get a single shot in.

What magic weakness? Not to say he doesn't have one, but just because he said that doesn't mean he would go down with lightning strikes or spells. Ultraman tanked some magic attacks recently/.

Brutale took out Dr Fate for fear of his magic it was primitive strike which was smart; Hammer bros would wreck havoc against Brutale since the hammer alone are enchanted by the odin force.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What magic weakness? Not to say he doesn't have one, but just because he said that doesn't mean he would go down with lightning strikes or spells. Ultraman tanked some magic attacks recently/.

It's all but outright said that Brutaal has a magic weakness.

Mr Terrific: "On my world, the only thing he's vulnerable to is Kryptonite..."
Dr. Fate: "Magic"
Sloan: "He's right" (referring to Dr. Fate)
Flash: "Can you stop him Khalid?"
Dr. Fate: "I'm not sure"
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Combined with the prior scans, where Brutaal was using his super-hearing to listen to their conversation and then immediately took out Fate while obviously annoyed by the idea of magic, obviously indicates that magic would have some effect.

Originally posted by Cogito
It's all but outright said that Brutaal has a magic weakness.

Mr Terrific: "On my world, the only thing he's vulnerable to is Kryptonite..."
Dr. Fate: "Magic"
Sloan: "He's right" (referring to Dr. Fate)
Flash: "Can you stop him Khalid?"
Dr. Fate: "I'm not sure"
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Combined with the prior scans, where Brutaal was using his super-hearing to listen to their conversation and then immediately took out Fate while obviously annoyed by the idea of magic, obviously indicates that magic would have some effect.

I took it that he was just showing off by listening to their conversation. Nothing is set so far like you said.

Nah Brutaal was expecting it, intentionally overheard them, and phucked that plan right up.

Also to note, IIRC, Earth 2 Superman is tougher, more experienced than Earth 1, mainstream. At least according to PAK.

I'm not sure which team to go with here. I have a question though, since Ultraman is basically the opposite of Superman (he's evil, gains strength from Kryptonite, and is weakened by yellow sunlight) would that mean that he gains strength from being hit by magical attacks(maybe that would explain why he went from being Black Adam's equal to curbstomping Adam after being hit by that bolt of lightning)?

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm not sure which team to go with here. I have a question though, since Ultraman is basically the opposite of Superman (he's evil, gains strength from Kryptonite, and is weakened by yellow sunlight) would that mean that he gains strength from being hit by magical attacks(maybe that would explain why he went from being Black Adam's equal to curbstomping Adam after being hit by that bolt of lightning)?

This generally hasn't been the case with prior versions.

It's pretty clear that Brutale has some degree of magic weakness; however, the extent of this vulnerability has not been shown. There is no writer consensus on the magic weakness: sometimes it is extreme, and sometimes minor. In addition, I would say that on the whole, when Superman has been shown weak to magic, he has been more vulnerable to actual sorcery than raw, divine magic like lightning charged fists, etc. Of course that is just a feeling I have gotten, and it is impossible to substantiate.

In addition, we have no way of knowing if Ultraman's tanking of magic lightning means that Ultraman lacks Superman's magic weakness, or if this is just one writer's take on the general magic vulnerability of Supermen. I imagine it is the latter, and so Ultraman might well prove more vulnerable to magic under a different writer.

In the same vein, without more information, it is hard to know if Ultraman is somehow more powerful than Superman typically is, or if this is just one writer's take on Superman's potential. It is important to remember the dynamic power element which is somewhat fundamental to Superman's character. What Ultraman did to Black Adam is in no way outside the range of power showings for Superman himself. So this means that unless there is some explicit difference between him and SM that is later shown, this beating of Adam also represents just one writer's take on Ultraman or Superman's power. In a different book, he might seem much less powerful--an inconsistency in power level that is typical of Superman portrayals in general. The same applies to Brutale, but with the important caveat that Brutale has clearly been modified in some way. He is NOT using standard heat vision. It MAY be that Brutale is explicitly more powerful than a standard, bloodlusted Superman.

That means there are two ways to look at this fight. In the first, we assume that UM and Brutale are somehow explicitly different than Superman when it comes to power levels, and that these last two showings are in effect their standard levels, and thus you cannot average them out with any Superman showings. In this case, even with a magic weakness, it seems to be that on average Thor and BRB get trounced. And handily. They are, in my opinion, Black Adam level, and Ultraman might well have been able to handle two of him alone.

On the other hand, if it turns out that Ultraman and Brutale are essentially the same character as Superman when it comes to powers, things get more complicated. One might see their two showings as just high-level Superman portrayals (of which Superman proper already has plenty), and postulate that in the future the two characters would have showings more akin to Superman's average. In which case, the battle in question, were it to happen in the future, might be closer. Nevertheless, as I feel Superman does beat Thor 1 on 1, I still think the Supermen win, but not so decisively.

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm not sure which team to go with here. I have a question though, since Ultraman is basically the opposite of Superman (he's evil, gains strength from Kryptonite, and is weakened by yellow sunlight) would that mean that he gains strength from being hit by magical attacks(maybe that would explain why he went from being Black Adam's equal to curbstomping Adam after being hit by that bolt of lightning)?

No. Plus the lightning clearly did hurt him as it caused a nose bleed.

Hammer Bros have the best feats & teamwork

They win

Well, Johns confirmed that Ultraman isn't weak to magic like that pussy Kal-L.