Darth Caedus Vs Redeemed Revan

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Board Walker
Aww yeah all out go!

JediMaster97

Jmanghan

Intrepid37
Facts?

JediMaster97

Nephthys
Not true:

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Skip to 5.40. Revan pulls down meteors on the party, an impressive feat of telekinesis. Its a scripted event so imo its canon.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not true:

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Skip to 5.40. Revan pulls down meteors on the party, an impressive feat of telekinesis. Its a scripted event so imo its canon.

Don't forget the Raining Lightning from the ****ing sky :P

Jmanghan

Nephthys
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Don't forget the Raining Lightning from the ****ing sky :P

Thats just gameplay. Its a power the Sith Sorcerer can do called Force Storm.

DarthAnt66
Honestly Caedus wins...but barely.
Check out my Revan Respect Thread for his feats: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t586112.html

Board Walker
After reading the respect thread for Revan, I feel revan would soundly defeat Caedus. Thus view was cemented by how highly Bane viewed Revan, placing him in the same league as Kun and Sadow.

Q99
Originally posted by Board Walker
After reading the respect thread for Revan, I feel revan would soundly defeat Caedus. Thus view was cemented by how highly Bane viewed Revan, placing him in the same league as Kun and Sadow.

I'm going to note I don't place Sadow that high, and Kun higher but due to his relatively brief training not at the top.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Board Walker
After reading the respect thread for Revan, I feel revan would soundly defeat Caedus. Thus view was cemented by how highly Bane viewed Revan, placing him in the same league as Kun and Sadow.

Caedus is better than all of them.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Uh, No, while I don't think he could stand up to Caedus, I do believe he is above Malgus and on Par with Dooku, get your fact's straight.

lolwut. Dooku and Malgus would storm Revan.

Nephthys
I'd put Revan a bit above Dooku and Malgus above both of them imo.

Dolos
Originally posted by Jmanghan
...And defeating Malak twice, killing Yusanis, and Mandalore, having mastery over the light and dark sides of the force, and forcing the REAL Vitiate across the throne room on his own and sending one of his bolts back at him. THOSE are his combat feats. Vitiate was scoping him out, he probably could have went on like that for days before even beginning to wear out.

Obviously Revan would have grown stronger from his years in torment afterward, Caedus was just a boy - with far more potential. The only Skywalker pushed enough in his powers to decimate the likes Revan and even Vitiate, was Luke.

Darth Caedus had developed abilities Revan had not, but Revan's experiences in dealing with advanced Force beings and techniques are almost equal to Luke's.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd put Revan a bit above Dooku and Malgus above both of them imo.

Dooku? Yes. Malgus? You're wrong, he's not as advanced in his powers as Revan either. Revan's powers were above even his daughter's.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Dolos
Vitiate was scoping him out, he probably could have went on like that for days before even beginning to wear out.

Obviously Revan would have grown stronger from his years in torment afterward, Caedus was just a boy - with far more potential. The only Skywalker pushed enough in his powers to decimate the likes Revan and even Vitiate, was Luke.

Darth Caedus had developed abilities Revan had not, but Revan's experiences in dealing with advanced Force beings and techniques are almost equal to Luke's.



Dooku? Yes. Malgus? You're wrong, he's not as advanced in his powers as Revan either. Revan's powers were above even his daughter's. Satele is not his daughter.... :/

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd put Revan a bit above Dooku and Malgus above both of them imo. How would Malgus be able to combat Revan in force? I do think Malgus is powerful but... o-o

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Force Maelstrom.

Nephthys
Originally posted by Jmanghan
How would Malgus be able to combat Revan in force? I do think Malgus is powerful but... o-o

Malgus is really powerful yeah. Enough that I don't see Revan beating him in a Force contest between them. And Malgus would beat him in a lightsaber duel.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus is really powerful yeah. Enough that I don't see Revan beating him in a Force contest between them. And Malgus would beat him in a lightsaber duel. Wishing there was not a limit to threads DX
I think they are Equal, and Revan's Tutaminis was enough to easily force back Nyriss' Lightning. Revan would probably get stomped in a Saber Duel, but force... I don't know, in fact, I'd say Revan is ahead of him. Plus, I haven't had the motivation to play TOR at all... It gets boring having to constantly take hours to level up my character to be on par with certain enemies when I could just continue the story. Plus, I like being a light-sider, so I've been a Jedi Knight for awhile now.

Dolos
I dumped so much money into that game, and it was fun but it was teaching me the wrong things. I'm super-introverted but I was only playing this game because it was very practical with the job I was doing. I wouldn't have gotten much social time anyway. But this one time when I was playing I changed from a 1 month to 3 month plan, after I'd already paid for the current month, and the ****ers charged me extra. They received a whole extra month's worth of money and just blamed it on apathy to the set up. ****ing Social Darwinists I swear. But I learned my lesson.

Nephthys
Limit to threads?

Revans Tutaminis is top tier imo, but offensively he's somewhat lacking. I dunno, I just don't see him actually beating Malgus. He has the Light/Dark attack that floored Vitiate, his TK and can redirect lightning extremely well..... but I don't think that would let him beat Malgus.

Meanwhile Malgus has extremely powerful lightning and TK which he can combine in the Force Maelstrom... but I don't thik that would defeat Revan's amazing defensive abilities.

It really comes down to lightsabers. Buuuuuut, I think that overall Malgus is more *powerful* than Revan, but Revan seems to be extremely annoying to fight due to his lopsided defense, so I think he can hang in combat with people who are superior to him. So it would be a good fight.

Outside of them fighting though, I'd rank Malgus as above Revan.

Originally posted by Dolos
I dumped so much money into that game, and it was fun but it was teaching me the wrong things. I'm super-introverted but I was only playing this game because it was very practical with the job I was doing. I wouldn't have gotten much social time anyway. But this one time when I was playing I changed from a 1 month to 3 month plan, after I'd already paid for the current month, and the ****ers charged me extra. They received a whole extra month's worth of money and just blamed it on apathy to the set up. ****ing Social Darwinists I swear. But I learned my lesson.

Ouch. You should have phoned customer support. I'm sure they would have refunded you.

Stealth Moose
He means limit to creating threads. Newer accounts have a cap per day, like three or something.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd put Revan a bit above Dooku and Malgus above both of them imo.

How is Revan superior to Dooku? Not saying you're wrong.

Nephthys
More powerful really. He did put up a good fight vs Vitiate.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Jmanghan
How would Malgus be able to combat Revan in force? I do think Malgus is powerful but... o-o

The real question is how would Revan combat Malgus in the Force? He's done practically nothing. He's opened a blast door, absorbed Nyriss's lightning, failed to absorb Vitiate's lightning, Force Pushed Vitiate, collapsed a stone archway. That's about it, dude. Malgus has:

1. Killed 3 Jedi at once with a blast of lightning, scorching their flesh and making them transparent with dark energy.

2. Literally blasted dark holes in a Zabrak Jedi Master with his Force Lightning. Note that said Jedi Master was powerful enough to collapse two buildings on Malgus with the help of his comrade.

3. Brought the Imperial Strike team that killed Revan to their knees with a blast of lightning.

4. Blasted away a "mountain of rubble" from the two buildings collapsed on him with a powerful Force Repulse, sending duracreet and durasteel flying in all directions.

5. Merely in a display of rage at the lack of response from the civilians, he released a Force Repulse powerful enough to kill "dozens" of civilians on impact.

6. Crushed the bones of several guards with a simple Force Push, and as a side note showed extreme skill with saber throw and applied it often.

7. Used the Force to protect himself from grenade blasts as well as an engine explosion relatively unharmed.

8. Could create a Force Maelstrom that encased himself in a protection bubble that can deflect lightsabers and blaster bolts, then taking all bolted down or not objects from the environment and swirling them around himself, supercharging them with Force Lightning, and then using them as projectiles. This is an extremely efficient showing of destructive power.

9. Killed a Jedi Master powerful enough to collapse two buildings on him along with the help of previously mentioned Zabrak by merely squeezing him to death with the Force.

10. Ragdolled Lord Adraas, who shattered floors and shit.

This is not even all of his Force Feats. I repeat--What has REVAN done to compete with MALGUS with the Force?

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd put Revan a bit above Dooku and Malgus above both of them imo.

But you just admitted that Malgus was both the superior swordsman and that Revan couldn't beat Malgus in a Force Battle. So are you arguing that Revan is the better tank? laughing

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
you did read what he said right? He's saying that Malgus is above both of them, bro.

Nephthys
^ Yes.

NewGuy01
Aaaahhh, that makes more sense. I'd agree, then.

EDIT: But I still say Dooku's better than Revan.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
But Neph what do you think on this actual fight?

Nephthys
I think I don't like Caedus very much.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
stick out tongue

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Nephthys
Limit to threads?

Revans Tutaminis is top tier imo, but offensively he's somewhat lacking. I dunno, I just don't see him actually beating Malgus. He has the Light/Dark attack that floored Vitiate, his TK and can redirect lightning extremely well..... but I don't think that would let him beat Malgus.

Meanwhile Malgus has extremely powerful lightning and TK which he can combine in the Force Maelstrom... but I don't thik that would defeat Revan's amazing defensive abilities.

It really comes down to lightsabers. Buuuuuut, I think that overall Malgus is more *powerful* than Revan, but Revan seems to be extremely annoying to fight due to his lopsided defense, so I think he can hang in combat with people who are superior to him. So it would be a good fight.

Outside of them fighting though, I'd rank Malgus as above Revan. Fair enough. Until they fight (which could happen) We don't know.

Board Walker
I think Revan has superior TK to Malgus, I honestly think Revan would use his TK and lightning to defeat Malgus.

How you ask? Well Revan would constantly barrage Malgus would unending TK and lightning due to his Revan's infinite sustain via light side channeling.

If Malgus attempts to use TK or lightning, Revan will just absorb and it use to empower himself and or reflect it back.

Dolos
Actually looking over their Wookieepedia, because I lack the books right now, it would suggest that Darth Caedus is perhaps more powerful than Darth Tyranus, Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, or Revan

That's based on what I currently know. Darth Malgus seems to be more powerful than Bane or Zannah. It would appear to me that him and Darth Caedus are up there with the elites like Zonakin, Sidious, C'boath, Plagueis, Gethzerion, and Yoda underneath the upper echelon of dark siders like DE Sidious, Pre-KoToR Vitiate, and Nihilus.

I don't know, I have a lot of novels to read, I'm going to be collecting first, for a long time. Gotta see what role Plagueis has to play in the upcoming Darth Maul: Lockout. Also have to collect the Dark Times comic arc to see some of Sidious' exploits and those of his Imperial War Machine.

NewGuy01
thumb up Agreed completely.

However, as a side note--Why is C'boath considered one of the elites?

Board Walker
Same question why is c'baoth elite?

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by NewGuy01
lolwut. Dooku and Malgus would storm Revan.
Excuse me?

Both Malgus and Revan are above Dooku.

You have to be Vitiate or Sidious to stop Revan, genius.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revans Tutaminis is top tier imo, but offensively he's somewhat lacking.
How exactly is Revan "somewhat" lacking offensively?

Nephthys
I elaborated on that.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Nephthys
I elaborated on that.
Do you know that raw power is involved in both offensive and defensive use of the Force?

If Revan can shrug off extremely lethal powers, he can be just as potent in offensive ways. It takes the "most powerful" among the Jedi to tank Sith applications.

The only time Revan found his powers to be ineffective when he confronted the mighty Vitiate. The latter will crush majority of Force-users like a tin can.

Nephthys
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Revan can shrug off extremely lethal powers, he can be just as potent in offensive ways.

Not necessarily. People specialise in different areas and are often better in one aspect than they are in another. Take Malgus: He was able to comfortably beat up Adraas with his offensive abilities, but struggled to block Adraas' lightning (since it was blistering his hands trying to contain it).

Stealth Moose
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not necessarily. People specialise in different areas and are often better in one aspect than they are in another. Take Malgus: He was able to comfortably beat up Adraas with his offensive abilities, but struggled to block Adraas' lightning (since it was blistering his hands trying to contain it).

Which is a good catch, considering how powerful Malgus' lightning is too.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not necessarily. People specialise in different areas and are often better in one aspect than they are in another. Take Malgus: He was able to comfortably beat up Adraas with his offensive abilities, but struggled to block Adraas' lightning (since it was blistering his hands trying to contain it).
Tanking Sith lightning is as much feat of raw power (in use) as it is of mastery in defensive applications of the Force. This is a very complex feat on part of any Force-user.

A Force-user have to be both remarkably strong and an absolute master of defensive applications of the Force to directly tank Sith lightning without the use of a lightsaber. The stronger a Force-user, the greater are his chances to contain Sith lightning bursts accordingly.

A Force-user can have great knowledge of defensive applications of the Force but he will miserably fail to put such talent to effective use without considerable raw power to complement his abilities.

Every Jedi receives training in defensive applications of the Force (including Tutaminis) but only the most powerful among them can tank lethal Force powers without the use of a lightsaber.

Malgus's struggle in this kind of scenario is a sure-shot indication of how difficult this feat is to pull off for even remarkably powerful Force-users.

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Called "Sith lightning," these charges cause excruciating pain and weaken life, and it is a challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters to deflect such bursts.

From SWTERC (2012):

Scourge reveals to the Emperor Nyris's plot against him, presenting him with evidence of her treachery. The Emperor orders the Imperial Guard to strike against Nyris. Using the chaos of this reprisal as cover, Scourge and Meetra free Revan but are nearly stopped by Nyris. Revan's raw power in the Force bends Nyris's Sith lightning back at her, utterly destroying the Sith Lord.

Make no mistake, Revan can be extremely lethal in offensive use of the Force. In-fact, he redirected Nyriss's lightning back at her which is a sign of his enormous offensive power.

Nephthys
No Legend, Malgus was blocking Adraas' lightning with his lightsaber, and he still blistered his hands trying to contain it in the blade.

Go check out Malgus' respect thread. The whole fight is in there.

Stealth Moose
Speaking of, Neph you need to add your respect threads in your profile or something, in case they get buried.

Nephthys
Good point. I have a few in there, but I'll update them all in.

Dolos
Originally posted by Board Walker
Same question why is c'baoth elite? His ability to mind-control post-RoTJ Luke, his clone Luuke, Mara Jade, Leia all at once while TK influencing Luke and Luuke's duel while TKing Han Solo and Zapping Leia while going back and cancelling out all the attempts made by Mara, Luke, and Leia to resist his mind domination - up until he was forced to battle them all and was winning with nothing but Force lightning until his reserves began to empty. Mara claimed that Luke considered him to perhaps be even more of a threat than the Emperor - either way they were in the same pool. C'boath was a top tier member of the Jedi Council and proclaimed himself master, and no one disagreed. Once he turned to the dark side he grew a lot stronger, especially considering the galaxy had entered into the dark times by then, he had a lot to draw on.

If Yoda had become a Sith, there's not telling how powerful he would have become. Dooku claims he would have been stronger than Sidious as well.

ares834
That's horse shit IMO.

Luke: Is the dark side stronger?
Yoda: No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.

chilled monkey
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Satele is not his daughter.... :/

No, Satele is Revan and Bastila's multi-great grand-daughter.

Stealth Moose
Originally posted by chilled monkey
No, Satele is Revan and Bastila's multi-great grand-daughter.

So is she far enough away genetically to bang?

Just asking... Don't look at me like that.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So is she far enough away genetically to bang?

Just asking... Don't look at me like that.
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Board Walker
So does this come out to a draw for the both of them?

The Exiled
I'm a big Revan fanboy, but the reality is - Caedus would win. No doubt about it...

CuckedCurry
Bump

S_W_LeGenD
Revan, solidly.

Ursumeles
Certainly Revan.

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