Loki Vs Circe

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LeonBuco666
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Alternate Fight
Circe & Loki Vs Wonder Woman & Thor

LeonBuco666
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Stoic
Circe

the Darkone
Loki

Rage.Of.Olympus
A lot of people tend to use Circe's showings from War of the Gods while being unaware that the God Hectate that empowers Circe was amped far above normal at the time, in-turn, greatly amping Circe.

Anyways, Loki wins. He's just better.

And Thor/Loki would beat Wonder Woman/Circe on teamwork alone if anything.

Q99
Circe's done plenty of impressive stuff entirely on her own. "Who Is Wonder Woman"- Stole the power of the Greek Pantheon and Wondy. Jimenez- transformed tons of strong heroes, mind controlled Superman. Yadda yadda.

ares834
Circe.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Q99
Circe's done plenty of impressive stuff entirely on her own. "Who Is Wonder Woman"- Stole the power of the Greek Pantheon and Wondy. Jimenez- transformed tons of strong heroes, mind controlled Superman. Yadda yadda.

I'm not saying she hasn't. I'm just pointing out that very often, people forget that she was noticeably amped during the War of the Gods storyline. Although even if you include those feats, Loki's high end showings are still better tbh.

Loki's stolen awesome power on that scale or higher more then a few times.

Aside from his own transformations, Loki's used matter manipulation/transformation abilities pretty often. His greatest feat would most likely be transforming Bor himself into Snow.

Even momentarily taking on the All-Father in a battle on the Astral plane is better then any of Circe's mind games:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiAstralForm07454.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiAstralForm08455.jpg

If you want something more comparable however, he's been able to hypnotize beings like the Silver Surfer and so on.

Golgo13
Split or circe.

maxivitopowe
They would beautiful awesome badness together

Edit: and babies

Q99
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

And Thor/Loki would beat Wonder Woman/Circe on teamwork alone if anything.

Ah, but what if Circe turns Thor into a frog?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Q99
Ah, but what if Circe turns Thor into a frog?

She could try but Loki who himself is a ridiculously skilled matter manipulator had to tap into the Twilight Sword itself to directly power his spell.

And Thor's power is so absolute, that with Mjolnir, he once again became the God of Thunder again.

Like I said, she could try, but best case scenario, she gets beat up by a hammer wielding frog. Which is probably even worse.

Also, Loki has proven to be incredibly skilled at undoing spells and casts. As a matter of fact, he once broke free of Seth turning him into a tree. Seth did this in his very own dimension of death and was tapping into it's nigh infinite power when he cast the spell. Also, a very powerful showing that (Loki actually put up a good fight against an ultimate being) as on top of being ridiculously powerful in that arc, IIRC Seth had stolen the power of his entire pantheon at the time (Need to double check this).

Q99
But she's much more of a shapeshifting specialist than Loki is.




Thor, frog of thunder! big grin

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Q99
But she's much more of a shapeshifting specialist than Loki is.

That's not true. Loki's shape shifting is as big of a part of his identity as Circe's. The difference is, she's more known for shape changing men and he's all about shape shifting his own form. That being said, Loki has enough feats under his belt that he can pretty much accomplish everything she's done.

Their respective preferences aside, Loki still had to link the spell directly into the Twilight Sword which is a weapon of immense power (Reality warping Earth, this dimension, end of the Universe etc.). The moment that link was broken, Thor overcame the spell due to his resistance.

This is another case of two different aspects of characters. Circe's known for shape shifting men, but Thor is no mere mortal (His godhood has attributed him a variety of impressive feats) and has a well documented fortitude.

Originally posted by Q99
Thor, frog of thunder! big grin

Yup. He's no laughing matter. Even a much weaker Frog of Thunder is capable of this:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://s14.postimg.org/3ou0xyc5t/Pet_Avengers2_zpsf83432a2.jpg
http://s14.postimg.org/sw4wy7f9t/Pet_Avengers3_zpsc9593e7d.jpg

laughing out loud Just found those in my folders. Frog Thor > Silver Surfer.

ares834
Capable of what? Irritating Thanos?

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by ares834
Capable of what? Irritating Thanos?

Perhaps even hurting him. Despite being a fraction of a percentage of Thor's power. Besides, I was kidding. Although the real Frog of Thunder was nothing to sneeze at.

What comic is that from anyways? Pet Avenges? I'm going to re-read it.

Q99
Changing your own form is easier than doing it to others, though.




Circe turned half of NYC into animals, and the male JLA.

ODG
^ Loki warped Asgard. Loki warped Vahdala. /shrug

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Q99
Changing your own form is easier than doing it to others, though.


Circe turned half of NYC into animals, and the male JLA.

Which Loki has done plenty. His power of matter manipulation and transformation is absurdly powerful. If you want complexity, we've seen him transform a cloud into a dragon, cars into ice-cream, people into toys, a falcon into a giant etc. If you want scale, ODG has covered that. If you want substances of extreme durability, we've seen him transmute even a being like Bor into snow. Heck, we've even seen him warp statues of Adamantium like they were putty.

abhilegend
Wonder Woman's TP immunity is as much of a myth as anything. Without Rucka shielding her the same Max Lord mindwiped her.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17029872_JL_-_Generation_Lost_01_pg_28_copy.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17029873_JL_-_Generation_Lost_01_pg_29_copy.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17029874_JL_-_Generation_Lost_01_pg_30_copy.jpg

Q99
It's more like some writers forget how resistant she is. Being highly resistant to telepaths is something that happens in a lot more than Sacrifice.


Though I will mention that even some instances that specifically note she's highly resistant don't say *totally* immune, so maybe Max's world-wipe was simply enough to overpower even that, while Max without doing so wasn't.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Q99
It's more like some writers forget how resistant she is. Being highly resistant to telepaths is something that happens in a lot more than Sacrifice.


Though I will mention that even some instances that specifically note she's highly resistant don't say *totally* immune, so maybe Max's world-wipe was simply enough to overpower even that, while Max without doing so wasn't.
She has exactly two instances of being resistant to TP more than anybody else. Superman is generally more resistant to TP than her.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/psi%20resistance/adventuresof623b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Willpower/psi%20resistance/adventuresof623c.jpg

I can cite at least five such examples where he resists TP better than her. But a bullshit comic by a fanboy writer in Rucka and suddenly she is immune to TP.

Q99
Originally posted by abhilegend
She has exactly two instances of being resistant to TP more than anybody else. Superman is generally more resistant to TP than her.

She resists mental powers often in her own series. Dr. Psycho, the Children of Ares, Circe's power- which, I shall point out, has taken over Superman's mind.

And the lasso, when used in it, gives a level of protection beyond her normal resistance. Some telepaths can control her when she's not using it (and most of the time, it is just on her belt), but if she uses the lasso, then even that won't work.




Now *that* reads like fanboy stuff- somehow a telepath takes over not only WW, but also Martian Manhunter? And Captain Marvel? (who's telepathy resistant himself) But misses Superman? Unless the telepath was simply not targeting Superman or had their hands full with everyone else and simply couldn't handle so many and mount an assault of any note on Superman, it doesn't make sense.




No, it's outside of Rucka too. And Rucka's no fanboy.

This is one of the common nonsense arguments against WW. "Well, all the writers who write the characters strong are just fans! How do I know? Well, they write her strong!".

Even though when you stop and check, it's not one writer, it's a half-dozen who write her strong. JLA, different Wondy runs, event titles, yadda yadda.


And remember, Sacrifice was part of one of DC's big events. It wasn't Rucka's planning, it was directly a high editorial plan that Max Lord and a mind-controlled Superman (written in Superman's books, by non-Ruckas) force Wonder Woman to kill Max, and the other JLAers staying back for safety (a part also not in Rucka's side of the story).

You blame Rucka for a result you don't like, but it wasn't Rucka who set things up that way to begin with. It's just sour grapes.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Q99
She resists mental powers often in her own series. Dr. Psycho, the Children of Ares, Circe's power- which, I shall point out, has taken over Superman's mind. The only relevant one is Circe and her telepathy being magic based is out. Dr. Psycho is a shit telepath.

Name one telepath who has failed to work TP on her because of lasso and I would name you at least three who've done it after wrapping her in the lasso.




That may sound fanboyish to you but superman does absurd things like that regularly. His mental resistance is absurd and that's why sacrifice looks like such a bullshit story.




Rucka gave her "Eyes of Palas" upgrade and he was the only onemention it. Hahahaha.

When they break the status quo for no reason at all? They are being fanboyish.

If you want I can bring up all the times she has fought top tiers. Its not pretty for her, she is 1-3 against Etrigan FFS and 1-6 against martians.


So was Countdown to Final Crisis. Tell me, why did a superman event ended in Wonder Woman's book? It was all Rucka. Johns partially retconned it later in Booster Gold.

No, I blame Rucka for writing a shit story just like every other writer I do. It has nothing to do with a fight and it was a draw at the end to begin with.

Warlord
Loki wins...or Superman. Wait what is this thread about again?

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