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'First and Last Galactic Emperor'? He may be the first, but there were a few Galactic Emperors after him.

Yeah, where's the Fels and Krayt?

Depending on how you count it, the Rakatan and Hutt Empires came before Palpatine by a dozen or so millennia, and they likely had Emperor's too.

Not sure if they count as 'galactic' though.

rakatans=way more than 12 dozen. Soa was like 20k years b4 TOR.

Adas fought a small portion of the infinite empire. He lived 28 millenia before Palpatine.

dont care

*ques a Palpatine jpeg from Tempest*

None of them ruled over as many systems as Sidious.

Certainly none of them held dominion over Coruscant for 24 years as Sidious did - Sidious ruled more than any being that came before him. Politically, he had unlimited power over all resources - he held monopoly and totally unmatched military superiority to the Rakatans, to the One Sith, to any that preceded or succeeded him as far as the current continuity is concerned.

And he did it with the help of a massive horde of bureaucrats, administrators, governors, and advisers. Conjure up an emperor who does it all by his onesy and then I'll be impressed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Depending on how you count it, the Rakatan and Hutt Empires came before Palpatine by a dozen or so millennia, and they likely had Emperor's too.

Not sure if they count as 'galactic' though.

The Hutts had a clan system rather than a single leader, and were never the only galactic power, but the Rakatans? Yes.



Originally posted by Dolos
None of them ruled over as many systems as Sidious.

Krayt likely had more, due to the expansion in the following centuries.

There was a large region of expansion after the GE's fall. Most of them would be low-pop marginal worlds, but in quantity? The Krayt Empire likely had more.



Sure, due to being way more advanced. Doesn't make them not a galactic empire.




The Annihilator fighters would make swift work of any fleet or force Palpatine sent against the Krayt Empire. Total fleet size isn't everything.




Anyway, long story short, Palpatine wasn't the only Galactic Empire.

Originally posted by Dolos
None of them ruled over as many systems as Sidious.

According to the Archon the Hutts ruled a million worlds.

Eh, the Hutts never ruled as large amount of the galaxy as Sidious. He has them beat.

Edit: According to the Atlas "nearly seventy million" star systems had large enough populations to be represented within the Empire.

Originally posted by Dolos
Galen Marek can bring down a Star Destroyer his power:

How many times? No Galen did not bring a Star Destroyer down himself. It was already falling out of orbit; he just re-directed it.

Originally posted by Dolos
Yet he cannot even make Sidious flinch with his strongest lightning:


It looks to me like it hurt him a bit, although I admit he recovers within seconds at most.

Originally posted by ares834
Eh, the Hutts never ruled as large amount of the galaxy as Sidious. He has them beat.

Edit: According to the Atlas "nearly seventy million" star systems had large enough populations to be represented within the Empire.

The Hutts were never in Palpatine's league. The Empire had 1.75 million full member worlds and ~70 million systems were populous enough to have some sort of representation in the Imperial Senate.

The Hutts can suck it.

Originally posted by Q99
Krayt likely had more, due to the expansion in the following centuries.

There was a large region of expansion after the GE's fall. Most of them would be low-pop marginal worlds, but in quantity? The Krayt Empire likely had more.


Yet for 20 long years not a single system slipped through Sidious' grasp, Krayt had to conquer systems one by one like the Golden Age Sith, and most likely never formed a society as large as Sidious' New Order merely through strength of might.

Sidious binded all the systems in the galaxy together by engineering a war larger than any before, and any after, including the one Krayt raged. The New Republic was a morsel compared the Empire - couldn't even attempt to defend against the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion or Krayt, but if the Empire had reigned in those eras it would have smashed the Yuuzhan Vong and the One Sith as an afterthought.



This is a galaxy where every civilization has different tech that has evolved at variable rates. The Gree had better tech than the Galactic Empire or the Rakatans, thousands of years later Krayt's tech never had the capability of the Kwa to teleport using the Infinite Star Gates - yet hyperdrives were just as efficient - again being further along in continuity =/= being more advanced technologically. Krayt lacked the resources to match Sidious' Imp-II Class Star Destroyers, much less the Super Star Destroyers, not to mention his forces paled in quantity.




His was the greatest, and easily lasted the longest.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
How many times? No Galen did not bring a Star Destroyer down himself. It was already falling out of orbit; he just re-directed it.

Which means he was able to grasp a gazillion ton spacecraft larger than any skyscraper on earth in the real galaxy and alter its descent from orbit. Something that heavy falling from orbit is basically an asteroid, moving at great speed.



Well I mean, he withstood Windu's deflection of far more powerful Force lightning, that should be a better feat in itself, but this just implies the extent of his powers in the Force.

Once the superweapons were crushed and Sidious could no longer lead (after engineered the Empire so that no one but him could successfully keep it together) - Thrawn proved hapless in maintaining Sidious' level of organization.

Like Rome, the real human city that it was based on, the Empire fell apart from within. The Emperor was never challenged through strength of arms. His struggle was over a more political form of control.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And he did it with the help of a massive horde of bureaucrats, administrators, governors, and advisers. Conjure up an emperor who does it all by his onesy and then I'll be impressed.

That could have been Anakin:

http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/322/321317/thumb_620x2000/Anakin_Skywalker_-_Emperor.jpg

Coulda woulda shoulda.

Sidious planned on conquering other galaxies by force after stabilizing his Empire abroad, although he would need to remain on his galactic thrown while sending his Executor, perhaps Luke Skywalker, to conquer lest his Empire crumple in his absence, as only he could control it.

This information comes from the DE Sourcebook which elaborates on the Emperor's long-term plans, which would come to fruition if he could fully enslave the Skywalker family and use their children as Force-strong hosts.

Incidentally, DE was awful.

Yet for 20 long years not a single system slipped through Sidious' grasp,

Except for Mon Cal/Dac and other rebel systems.



He got most of them in fairly short order. In 130, the Alliance *surrendered* and Fel went into exile. It actually took awhile for Fel to muster the forces to take back a major world.

Yes, Krayt did have more opposition. I'm not saying Palpatine wasn't the most successful- he was.

But Krayt was still clearly a Galactic Emperor who ruled the vast majority of the galaxy.


Incidentally, DE was awful.

Yes! At the time it came out the general reaction was, "Cool, new star wars comic!". But years later, and with many better new SW stories to compare it to? "This is pretty crap...."

Superweapon of the week (*four* new superweapons!), over-the-top force powers, revivals of old villains rather than coming up with new, etc..

Wait the Emperor planned to expand to other galaxies...wow.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Wait the Emperor planned to expand to other galaxies...wow.

I think that's probably been retconned- his sabotage of the Outbound Flight project indicates he didn't want the galaxy looking outward.


Though it could be referring to the nearby satellite galaxies of the main galaxy. Those have known species that sometimes show up in the main, after all.

The Republic didn't include all known galaxies at the time, and neither did the Empire although the latter had expanded quite a bit.