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Applying different force abilities and Saber Skills alike, Darth Vader and Anakin are far from the same, they may be the same people, but Vader and Anakin do not have the same saber skills or force abilities, so...

Who Wins? (If you'd like, I'll do one of my big-time Versus threads when I get home)

Vader had a knack for winning fights he had no business winning. For instance, he beat Maul's clone with a surprise kamikaze Seppuku, he survived against the Starkiller Clone for a long while, he killed like 4 out of 7 members of a Jedi team in Purge but to be fair one of them killed the other -- and Vader still lost against the remaining 3. The only fathomable reason he lost against such an inexperienced Luke in RoTJ was due to his inner conflict and him being unable to access his power because of relent.

That being said, I don't think he'd last very long against Obsession Anakin (the one who Force repulsed Durge) - much less Ep. III Anakin - who only beat Dooku faster than Yoda or Sids could because he was momentarily beginning to tap into his full potential; and only lost to Obi-Wan because his fear was debilitating his ability to access his power.

Anakin. He's the more effecient swordsman, is faster, is comparable strong and possesses telekinetic feats of more or less same level.

Vader won't go down easy, though.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
and possesses telekinetic feats of more or less same level.

Lmao.

Lmao at your Lmao.

Anakin isn't even close to Vaders level in telekinesis.

lol at your penis size

It is quite absurd(ly large).

Thanks to Bane.

Don't hate just cuz he's sexy.

Karpyshan didn't specify that the orbalisks works just like viagra...

What are Anakin's best TK feats?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
What are Anakin's best TK feats? Pwning Daughter and Son on Mortis. 13

Sorry, couldn't resist.

See his battle with Durge in Dark Horse's "Obsession" series.

I will admit Vader has better TK, he had to have better Force-augmented strength and TK to make up for his lack of balance and motility...which is why Anakin would stomp even if he didn't develop his proverbial TK muscles quite as much as his Cyborg self.

Remember Vader still had Anakin's potential, but he lacked the mindset of the Zone to ever realize it. The Force is not exclusive to midi-chlorians, midi-chlorians strengthen the fortitude of a life form, they flock to life-forms with a strong sensitivity to the Force. A being designed by midi-chlorians would thus be strong in sensitivity, so the midi-chlorians can feed off of this vergence, focal point of Force energy - strengthening its life force in the process.

Anakin was made to become immortal.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
What are Anakin's best TK feats?
He moved a huge battlestation-thing that was far bigger than a starfighter.

Vader.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He moved a huge battlestation-thing that was far bigger than a starfighter.

In a Clone Wars comic.

Honestly, it's not even all that great. Yes, it's a pretty good feat. But the platform is floating so Anakin doesn't have to lift it just push it.

Look at how big it is though. It's extremely impressive.

Not saying it isn't impressive. However, it isn't nearly as impressive as it first appears.

It's above what Vader has done on sheer scale.

Nah. Vader has it beat.

Plus, now that I'm looking at it again, all Anakin really seems to be doing is tipping it down to block the missiles.

Nah.

Vader was outmatched by Maul's clone, managing to beat him with the element of surprise, impaling Maul through his own torso -- yet the comic clearly demonstrates that Maul had him beat in martial prowess and would have killed him under most other circumstances.

TK won't save Vader, Ep. III Anakin was at least superior to the Starkiller that defeated Vader in TFU.

Also; bigger TK=/=higher powerlevel™.

Force = Vader

Saber = Anakin

All out = Undecided. Depends if Anakin is on his man period, or is in TEH Z0NE.

Anakin's lack of telekinetic capability does not impair him as much as Vader is impaired by the limitations of his cybernetics, his respirator, his over-cumbersome armor. As far as strength in the Force goes, they're equal, both are as far along in unlocking the full potential of the Chosen One (according to fans that's twice Sidious, although I believe potential is more or less how fast power can be developed, not a plateau)...about 80% of Sidious according to fan-speculation, which is a fair assessment.

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
Depends if Anakin is on his man period, or is in TEH Z0NE. Same could be said for Vader.

Both of their power levels are dependent on their resolve.

In fact Vader could have regenerated his limbs and burned tissue and damaged lungs using midi-chlorian manipulation to the extent that Darth Krayt did.

Originally posted by Dolos

In fact Vader could have regenerated his limbs and burned tissue and damaged lungs using midi-chlorian manipulation to the extent that Darth Krayt did. Because Vader has defintely shown feats to make him capable of doing that.

I don't think he was regenerating his limbs, but in the Shadows of the Empire novel he uses the force to temporarily heal himself. It was only his resolve and his incomplete dedication to the dark side that prevented himself from remaining completely healed.

Vader.

Honestly it can go either way.

There's just as much chance of Anakin battering Vader in Sabers as there is of Vader Force Choking Anakin.



Of course Zone Anakin stomps though.

Not fan speculation.

Lucas said 80%. Full-power: 200% Or something of that nature. Gotta google it, It's been a while.

Fake sources have been provided on Wookie and other places for that quote, but Ares provided the correct source and quote some time ago. Can't remember where it was now.

Anakin takes him down. If he goes in the zone then Vader takes it up the ass even more.

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
Not fan speculation.

Lucas said 80%. Full-power: 200% Or something of that nature. Gotta google it, It's been a while. I think he said he would be 60% more powerful then Sidious.

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
Not fan speculation.

Lucas said 80%. Full-power: 200% Or something of that nature. Gotta google it, It's been a while.

I still think GL pulls things out of his ass during those interviews. Even his old notes during the OT changed drastically, with Han Solo originally being an alien and Windu's original concept having a different role within ANH, etc. etc. Then there's his "Derp, idk how Anakin cut his eye. I like to think he cut it in a bathtub, which is totally a rounded, non-sharp object in someone's house, because I really thought this through as you can tell. I'm hungry for more cash."

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I still think GL pulls things out of his ass during those interviews. Even his old notes during the OT changed drastically, with Han Solo originally being an alien and Windu's original concept having a different role within ANH, etc. etc. Then there's his "Derp, idk how Anakin cut his eye. I like to think he cut it in a bathtub, which is totally a rounded, non-sharp object in someone's house, because I really thought this through as you can tell. I'm hungry for more cash." He donated over a BILLION dollars to charity...

Yeah, lay off Lucas. Dude is a ****ing hero in my books.

Eh, I can still criticize his relatively inconsistent and lax approach to a sci-fi epic that has made him both rich and a household name. Far less wealthy writers and directors have made complex, wonderful fictional worlds and been far more consistent.

GL's quote on Anakin's scar says a lot about how seriously he takes any of this, and that is not seriously enough to be consistent and reasonable. It's why you have stuff like him not using the professional swordsmen stand-ins for the Sids/Mace fight and instead giving us that embarassing ramba where the two fighters stare intently at each other and wave glowsticks around while twirling like eight-year-old ballerinas.

And that's avoiding the non-epicness of Maul's defeat (Maul stands there like a fool), the arrest of Palpatine prior (two Jedi don't move at all) and the scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan swing sabers like a foot apart and miss each other and their blades eighty times:

http://i.imgur.com/4thrz.gif

Overall, as a director he's horrible and his ham-fisted approach to EU has made any sanity in this sub-forum an uphill struggle.

Giving to charity (which is a huge tax write off and publicity stunt done by many rich people) does not sway me from these valid points.

Criticizing his work is fine. Doing it in such a way as to insult his intelligence is not, nor is accusing him of being greedy.

Saying its a publicity stunt is needlessly cynical and petty. And irrelevant considering the amount of good that money must have done, regardless of its intent. A hell of a lot more than YOU'VE ever done, I'll bet.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Criticizing his work is fine. Doing it in such a way as to insult his intelligence is not, nor is accusing him of being greedy.

Saying its a publicity stunt is needlessly cynical and petty. And irrelevant considering the amount of good that money must have done. A hell of a lot more than YOU'VE ever done, I'll bet.

MEOW. Sorry to attack your man, Neph.

I'm free to insult the unintelligent way in which GL handled the interview question because his intent and coherence is key to some debate items.

When he says "IDK I think Anakin cut his eye falling in a bathtub", it tells me that he doesn't care enough to think everything through, sometimes doing shit for "it's cool", and he must think bathtubs are these sharp, dangerous objects. The scar is nearly a perfect line, so unless Anakin layers his bathtub with razor blades, this seems incredibly ridiculous.

If GL is just being silly, then good for him. Context is unclear. I'm allowed to interpret.

GL had made billions on the SW franchise, and LFL has in turn boomed with the merchandising from the film. He's not doing it entirely out of some focused need to tell a story; there's a profit motive involved.

Dedicated creators like Tolkien, George R. R. Martin, etc. are thorough and exercise a level of professional consistency. GL's decisions have, as we can see, been chaotic (Han shot first, decisions to replace professional swordsmen for actual actors which sacrifices quality of the fight) to simply fanfic-ish (Maul staring stupidly as he's struck down, Yoda getting zapped in the face or Sidious being pushed over his chair, the gif I posted above).

If I'm wrong in saying these things happened and I think he's not got his heart in it as much as he should, or that he's kind of become less about atmosphere and substance and more about flashy things and milking the cash cow, well, that's my bloody opinion.

I've never been in a position to generate billions which I could donate and still comfortably take care of my loved ones and maintain my chosen life style, but you betcha if I could I would too.

The act of giving to charity isn't itself indicative of morality; it can be done for pragmatic reasons as well. That was my entire point.

Anakin had problems with being overwhelmed and getting angry. If Anakin keeps cool he has this but if Vader begins to frustrate Anakin. Vader will take it, Anakin will leave to many gaps and it will be his downfall.

Can't say I agree with the notion that Lucas is a greedy fat phuck. There is no real practical benefit that he'd receive from donating tons o' money, for one, and when you look at his history, he's shown to be pretty consistent in his philanthropist mentality. He's been donating money to charity for decades, is fiercely liberal and donates lots of money to liberal and humanitarian causes (has even testified before the House of Congress to get a free, nationwide wireless network set up for schools), spent 23 years pushing to get Red Tails made (even going so far as to completely fund the entire film from start to finish with his own money, after every producer refused to fund it) because of his desire to promote black actors and films with all-black casts, and has been pretty damn lax with his IP (compared to, say, Games Workshop, who've recently re-named one of their most iconic factions, that has existed unchanged since the 80's, because they couldn't patent its original name).

So... why the hate? "He makes it hard for me to debate about these fictional characters" seems like a pretty nonsensical justification for bearing what seems to be a personal grudge against the man.

I mean hell, you have misgivings about Star Wars' canon policy, you should be kissing the ground out of love for Lucas' canon policy. Games Workshop has outright stated that Warhammer 40K has zero canon hierarchy in it- everything that exists with the 40K label is equally canon to one-another, even if they outright contradict each other. Try debating under that context.

Anakin's best TK feat was ripping down that 90x30 meter dome in Labyrinth of Evil IIRC, which in terms of sheer scale is above anything Vader has done really.

Darth Vader wins this one handily for a few reasons:

1) Anakin is faster and more agile but that's not enough to ensure victory. Vader has beaten faster and more agile foes before.

2) While Anakin may have more innate Force power a lot of it is still untapped potential. Plus while he does have some impressive feats, overall he lacks focus and doesn't make the best use of what he has. Vader's power is much better honed and what he lacks in innate power he more than makes up for with skill and finesse.

3) Vader is a far more experienced fighter. He's also more level-headed and calculating. He won't make the mistakes that Anakin will.

4) Most importantly, this is basically the same as when the Incredible Hulk fought the Maestro. The Maestro easily beat the Hulk because he knew his own younger self and knew exactly what he would do even before the Hulk himself did. It would be the same here.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Can't say I agree with the notion that Lucas is a greedy fat phuck. There is no real practical benefit that he'd receive from donating tons o' money, for one, and when you look at his history, he's shown to be pretty consistent in his philanthropist mentality. He's been donating money to charity for decades, is fiercely liberal and donates lots of money to liberal and humanitarian causes (has even testified before the House of Congress to get a free, nationwide wireless network set up for schools), spent 23 years pushing to get Red Tails made (even going so far as to completely fund the entire film from start to finish with his own money, after every producer refused to fund it) because of his desire to promote black actors and films with all-black casts, and has been pretty damn lax with his IP (compared to, say, Games Workshop, who've recently re-named one of their most iconic factions, that has existed unchanged since the 80's, because they couldn't patent its original name).

So... why the hate? "He makes it hard for me to debate about these fictional characters" seems like a pretty nonsensical justification for bearing what seems to be a personal grudge against the man.

I mean hell, you have misgivings about Star Wars' canon policy, you should be kissing the ground out of love for Lucas' canon policy. Games Workshop has outright stated that Warhammer 40K has zero canon hierarchy in it- everything that exists with the 40K label is equally canon to one-another, even if they outright contradict each other. Try debating under that context.

tl;dr.