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Both combatants take simultaneous shots at one another. Both land every single time, who goes down first?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2200/2405997939_f7d625b047.jpg

With Mjolnir Thor, without CM.

Thor goes down.

Mjolnir included? Thor wins.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
With Mjolnir Thor, without CM.

With or without Mjolnir, Thor wins.

Probably CM

Originally posted by zopzop
With or without Mjolnir, Thor wins.
Don't be silly. Thor isn't beating cap without mjolnir in a slugfest.

CM easily, unless Thor has Mjolnir

How many shots from Mjolnir can Cap take if Thor is allowed unlimited time to charge and power up the hammer strike?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
With Mjolnir Thor, without CM.

Why do people think Captain Marvel would beat Thor in a slug fest without Mjolnir? What advantages does he hold over Thor? I'm just curious as to where people think the two match up strength wise.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
How many shots from Mjolnir can Cap take if Thor is allowed unlimited time to charge and power up the hammer strike?

Depends on how much he charges it up but I'd reckon it's very few.

Like sometimes Thor will power up an attack for a long time--like under Simonson when he is attacking Surtur and is being ignored. These kinds of attacks aren't usually useful in a 1v1 battle as they take too long to get going and you are basically telegraphing your attack.

But in a slugfest, if Thor can just whirl his hammer for 60 seconds drawing lightning into it and charging it magically then two-handing it across Cap's face, and Cap has to just take it, well...I'm thinking that would hurt.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Like sometimes Thor will power up an attack for a long time--like under Simonson when he is attacking Surtur and is being ignored. These kinds of attacks aren't usually useful in a 1v1 battle as they take too long to get going and you are basically telegraphing your attack.

But in a slugfest, if Thor can just whirl his hammer for 60 seconds drawing lightning into it and charging it magically then two-handing it across Cap's face, and Cap has to just take it, well...I'm thinking that would hurt.

Something like this is what he reserves for facing beings Skyfather and up:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg

Against Billy and other Heralds, that would be a one shot imo.

Thor is now going to beat Cap with bare hands when even Superman has difficulty doing it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Something like this is what he reserves for facing beings Skyfather and up:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg

Against Billy and other Heralds, that would be a one shot imo.

Just realised that he does the power rangers things of naming his attacks.

Did they all do that back then?

Cap is pretty much a physical peer to Superman. So saying Thor easily defeats him in fist fight isn't quite right.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap is pretty much a physical peer to Superman. So saying Thor easily defeats him in fist fight isn't quite right.

Uh, I don't think anyone believes Thor can easily punch out Captain Marvel with his fists. It's debatable if he can punch him out at all but I think a strong case can be made.

Also Rage forgot to put the following scan where Thor himself tanked the attack and only got knocked out by another attack by Surtur after taking several attacks from Surtur.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17107347_Thor_V1351_p21.jpg

All hail skyfather Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Something like this is what he reserves for facing beings Skyfather and up:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg

Against Billy and other Heralds, that would be a one shot imo.

I think the thousand suns line is hyperbole, but that's just me. It could be argued that the air around the hammer was heating up due to the friction of swinging the hammer (like when spacecraft burn up in re-entry). Maybe that is why Thor survived the hit himself. But I agree that it could possibly one shot an average showing herald level being. Definitely not a high end high herald level being though. Characters in classic comics grossly fluctuated inconsistently in power, even skyfathers.

Originally posted by h1a8
I think the thousand suns line is hyperbole, but that's just me. It could be argued that the air around the hammer was heating up due to the friction of swinging the hammer (like when spacecraft burn up in re-entry). Maybe that is why Thor survived the hit himself. But I agree that it could possibly one shot an average showing herald level being. Definitely not a high end high herald level being though. Characters in classic comics grossly fluctuated inconsistently in power, even skyfathers.

Why? I mean, that's probably not the exact amount of joules of energy that the hammer had but he knew that this was Surtur that he was facing after all and I'd wager it would have been very dangerous even for him.

Thor survived the attack but he was taken out. And this arc was the definition of a high end herald level being in terms of Thor (And Loki). Not to mention that Thor has a very powerful connection with Mjolnir.

Surtur was easily a Galactic level being and this was a high end stakes game (If Surtur lit the flame, he'd burn creation) with Thor really kicking it up a notch. Not sure what fluctuation you're talking about. Although I'd like to see an example of this grossly fluctuating Surtur.

Fun fact: Although in the scans I posted, that was supposedly Thor's most powerful blow, he goes on to charge up his hammer even FURTHER:
http://s21.postimg.org/xyf44vv4z/Thor_1985_353_23.jpg

Thor doesn't just hold back massively. He has like layers.

In this story, Surtur destroyed a Galaxy while forging the Twilight Sword. With it, his power increased greatly, and it became even greater the closer he drew to the eternal flame.

Thor

If we're actually going by high end feats, Cap was fighting ****ing spectre in h2h and doing well enough. Thor was like a flea to Surtur.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't be silly. Thor isn't beating cap without mjolnir in a slugfest.
Sure he is.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor is now going to beat Cap with bare hands when even Superman has difficulty doing it?


That's the thing. Superman only has "difficulty" doing it because Superman isn't some neanderthal. He doesn't go all out against someone that's his friend/teammate. We saw what would happen if an unleashed Superman fought an unleashed CM (by proxy through UM and BA and Geoff even admitted this).

Superman>>>>Wonder Woman>=CM/BA.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sure he is.

That's the thing. Superman only has "difficulty" doing it because Superman isn't some neanderthal. He doesn't go all out against someone that's his friend/teammate. We saw what would happen if an unleashed Superman fought an unleashed CM (by proxy through UM and BA and Geoff even admitted this).

Superman>>>>Wonder Woman>=CM/BA.
He would beat Cap but thor is no superman.

Also its Captain Marvel, not Shazam from DCnU.

Cap fought Eclipsed Superman for nearly a whole issue before going down.

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Also I don't know where you got Wonder Woman is better than Cap. Her only chance is lasso against Cap, physically he would maul her.