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No dodging and blow for blow. Who wins ?

Darkseid lacks the feats to contend.

Hp DD convincingly. Stronger, vastly faster, protrusions for stabbing and cutting, instant healing factor, evolving ability.

HP DD was beyond a physical beatdown. But nice bait thread

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
HP DD was beyond a physical beatdown. But nice bait thread So you think Doomsday beats the god of evil, again. Ok.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you think Doomsday beats the god of evil, again. Ok.

He beats his Avatars DS is not able to appear in the Multiverse (Ominverse) himself, else it would get destroyed like it almost did in FC.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He beats his Avatars DS is not able to appear in the Multiverse (Ominverse) himself, else it would get destroyed like it almost did in FC. So the only Darkseid who can ever fight Doomsday gets stomped.



Your own words.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So the only Darkseid who can ever fight Doomsday gets stomped.



Your own words.

HP DD can come where the True Darkseid is, and then he will get destroyed. and here I though you are smarter then this .

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
HP DD can come where the True Darkseid is, and then he will get destroyed. and here I though you are smarter then this . He only exists in your mind. You admit whenever they both exist together DD wrecks him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He only exists in your mind. You admit whenever they both exist together DD wrecks him.

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2010/10/darkseid-spirit-fall-final-crisis.jpg

You don't read DC why am I even talking to you

Bait troll threads? Oh how the mighty have fallen, Quanch. I think Final Crisis and DCNU have wiped away the idea that DS is a despot sitting on an alien planet, scheming on the best way to blackmail Wonder Woman into marrying him, and returned him to a more God of evil/abstract multiversal concept. I don't think you should be looking to DD/HP to establish a consistent power showing for DS either; seeing as how the entire series was just a pretext to show just how beastly DD is. With that said, HP/DD was a beast in that storyline, and they seemed to just be making up new abilities for him as they went along. So I'd have to say HP/DD wipes out any DS avatar, but gets decimated when facing the true DS.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He beats his Avatars DS is not able to appear in the Multiverse (Ominverse) himself, else it would get destroyed like it almost did in FC. When a New God travels through a Boom Tube it alters their size so that they can appear in the 3rd dimension w/o causing any destruction-- the same thing happens to characters who travel through a Boom Tube to the 4th World. So the New Gods we see on earth are the SAME New Gods we see in the 4th World/dimension-- they aren't avatars.

Aside from that, DD beat the bejesus out of Darkseid ON Apokolips(which is obviously IN the 4th World), so the point is irrelevant either way.

Originally posted by Galan007
When a New God travels through a Boom Tube it alters their size so that they can appear in the 3rd dimension w/o causing any destruction-- the same thing happens to characters who travel through a Boom Tube to the 4th World. So the New Gods we see on earth are the SAME New Gods we see in the 4th World/dimension-- they aren't avatars.

Aside from that, DD beat the bejesus out of Darkseid ON Apokolips(which is obviously IN the 4th World), so the point is irrelevant either way.

I disagree on some points.
But first, Darkseid uses Avatars, that's a fact
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/37889/1607002-fb977017jpgorig9uj.jpg
Then we also know since FC that Elsewordls are canon and exist in the main Multiverese, they are just alternate Universes, where Darkseid also exists:
The Nail:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111206221809/marvel_dc/images/e/e5/Darkseid_The_Nail_001.png
Superman: The DarkSide
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111206221810/marvel_dc/images/thumb/2/22/Darkseid_Dark_Side_001.png/218px-Darkseid_Dark_Side_001.png

Since FC also tells us that there is but one Darkseid in the DC-Verse this means those are also his Avatars.

Might even be there are more then one New God Universe, unlike in the PC Days.

Now let's go to the Boom Tube Thingy.

Yes it alters one size and makes the Gods smaller and the people coming to them bigger. For all means of a Forum fight, exterior Tech isn't allowed, so this means DD is placed on neutral ground, with his original size and DS is placed on neutral ground with his original size too. So now we have Darkseid, huge enough to hold planets between his thumbs vs DD. Darkseid stomps then.



Thanks for clarifying this.

New Gods being bigger than planets was just 1 showing, we see in Supergirl v4, for instance, when she shunted to the 4th world, she retained her size as she was on earth, and the New Gods were only like 10-15 times bigger than her.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I disagree on some points.
But first, Darkseid uses Avatars, that's a fact
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/37889/1607002-fb977017jpgorig9uj.jpg
Then we also know since FC that Elsewordls are canon and exist in the main Multiverese, they are just alternate Universes, where Darkseid also exists:
The Nail:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111206221809/marvel_dc/images/e/e5/Darkseid_The_Nail_001.png
Superman: The DarkSide
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111206221810/marvel_dc/images/thumb/2/22/Darkseid_Dark_Side_001.png/218px-Darkseid_Dark_Side_001.png

Since FC also tells us that there is but one Darkseid in the DC-Verse this means those are also his Avatars. Lol, unless you can prove which specific showings Darkseid was using an avatar in(with some type of in-comic narration), then your point is moot.

...And considering Doomsday encountered Darkseid ON his home planet, I'm certainly inclined to believe we saw the 'real' DS get his ass kicked. If you disagree, then please, post some relevant(key word) evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yes it alters one size and makes the Gods smaller and the people coming to them bigger. For all means of a Forum fight, exterior Tech isn't allowed, so this means DD is placed on neutral ground, with his original size and DS is placed on neutral ground with his original size too. So now we have Darkseid, huge enough to hold planets between his thumbs vs DD. Darkseid stomps then.



Thanks for clarifying this. Lol, you don't know the definition of 'neutral ground', do you?

Originally posted by operator616
New Gods being bigger than planets was just 1 showing, we see in Supergirl v4, for instance, when she shunted to the 4th world, she retained her size as she was on earth, and the New Gods were only like 10-15 times bigger than her.

Yes and this showing is canon. Supergirl was transported there by magical means IIRC and it's effect is vague, still she was just an ant compared to them. But who knows what effects it has if you travel there with other means, more limited means, then a boom tube. So this is open to speculation but the 1st instance isn't canon anymore through this^^.

The falling Darkseid is also a good indicator of his true size, when we know that his true form casts a shadow on the Multiverse. ^^
So his form exists in more then one Universe at the same time, bigger then we are able to comprehend. Well if he fights DD in his true form, that means that we have to imagine this one form in one place, and all the power it means with it.

.....She got there through her "shunting" (teleporting), not magic, that's what was stated on panel.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, unless you can prove which specific showings Darkseid was using an avatar in(with some type of in-comic narration), then your point is moot.

...And considering Doomsday encountered Darkseid ON his home planet, I'm certainly inclined to believe we saw the 'real' DS get his ass kicked. If you disagree, then please, post some relevant(key word) evidence to the contrary.

Lol, you don't know the definition of 'neutral ground', do you?

You don't like it and you are inclined to believe. That's ok with me, to each his own. You have my line of reasoning based on the scans and the information we got from FC. If this is not good enough for you then I agree to disagree with you but nothing more.
Based on my stance I don't see the necessity to prove that every time we see Darkseid that it is ineed his avatar or that he wears underwear with hearts on them each time we see him in comics ^^.

I know it but let's be honest and fair. If you fight and Promethean Giants or LT, why reduce their size? Let them fight the way they are. Real size, real powers. ^^

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
You don't like it and you are inclined to believe. That's ok with me, to each his own. You have my line of reasoning based on the scans and the information we got from FC. If this is not good enough for you then I agree to disagree with you but nothing more.
Based on my stance I don't see the necessity to prove that every time we see Darkseid that it is ineed his avatar or that he wears underwear with hearts on them each time we see him in comics ^^. While I think you're wrong, I'm fine with not arguing.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I know it but let's be honest and fair. If you fight and Promethean Giants or LT, why reduce their size? Let them fight the way they are. Real size, real powers. ^^ I am being honest and fair. What you described above is not how 'neutral ground' is defined.

...And Promethean Giants are massive no matter what dimension they're in:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134117_jkfw-13-08.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134118_jkfw-13-09.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134119_jkfw-13-10.jpg

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http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134120_orion_13_kebbin_16.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134121_orion_014_OCD-16.jpg

Just saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
While I think you're wrong, I'm fine with not arguing.

I am being honest and fair. What you described above is not how 'neutral ground' is defined.

...And Promethean Giants are massive no matter what dimension they're in:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134117_jkfw-13-08.jpg
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134118_jkfw-13-09.jpg
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134119_jkfw-13-10.jpg

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http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134120_orion_13_kebbin_16.jpg
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17134121_orion_014_OCD-16.jpg

Just saying.

Cool beans

I liked this part of a letter's page from a New Gods v4 #12:

http://i.imgur.com/LuS2TbJ.jpg?1

Apparently, this applies to universal cosmic beings as well (like Galactus), which is nice.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2010/10/darkseid-spirit-fall-final-crisis.jpg

You don't read DC why am I even talking to you
I do read dc and I did read fc. What a snooze fest. Best part was all that hype of Darkseid for him to show slower than human reflexes against Batman. At the end of the arc the real threat wasn't even him.


Again, you can ignore direct showings and live in your own world but don't expect the rest of us to do so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do read dc and I did read fc. What a snooze fest. Best part was all that hype of Darkseid for him to show slower than human reflexes against Batman. At the end of the arc the real threat wasn't even him.


Again, you can ignore direct showings and live in your own world but don't expect the rest of us to do so.

Wow, you read Final Crisis, but didn't comprehend it. You really don't understand why DS wasn't in tip top shape when facing Batman after transforming Turpin's body into his Avatar? And DS had no impact on the storyline? It was all about Mandrakk? I agree the storyline was a bit convoluted, but it was by no means incomprehensible.

Originally posted by tsscls
Wow, you read Final Crisis, but didn't comprehend it. You really don't understand why DS wasn't in tip top shape when facing Batman after transforming Turpin's body into his Avatar? And DS had no impact on the storyline? It was all about Mandrakk? I agree the storyline was a bit convoluted, but it was by no means incomprehensible.



Originally posted by quanchi112
I do read dc and I did read fc. What a snooze fest. Best part was all that hype of Darkseid for him to show slower than human reflexes against Batman. At the end of the arc the real threat wasn't even him.


Again, you can ignore direct showings and live in your own world but don't expect the rest of us to do so.

Avatar of Darkseid, so you didn't read it well enough or you simply didn't understand the story at all. ^^

I don't ignore anything, contrary to you, mr. "SQ beating Thanos is not canon", and who is us? You have some imaginary Friends or an dissociative identity disorder?

Originally posted by tsscls
Wow, you read Final Crisis, but didn't comprehend it. You really don't understand why DS wasn't in tip top shape when facing Batman after transforming Turpin's body into his Avatar? And DS had no impact on the storyline? It was all about Mandrakk? I agree the storyline was a bit convoluted, but it was by no means incomprehensible. I realize the writer who envisioned him as more powerful than any other writers pidgeon holed him into a weak human body. Mandrake became the final act after the good guys consumed the appetizer known as Darkseid.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe




Avatar of Darkseid, so you didn't read it well enough or you simply didn't understand the story at all. ^^

I don't ignore anything, contrary to you, mr. "SQ beating Thanos is not canon", and who is us? You have some imaginary Friends or an dissociative identity disorder? I did grasp it quite well.


That isn't canon nor is it relevant to Darkseid here. DD stomps according to you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I did grasp it quite well.


That isn't canon nor is it relevant to Darkseid here. DD stomps according to you.

You didn't.

The same way you didn't even grasp my stance here .
It's canon 100%. Deal with it ^^.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Best part was all that hype of Darkseid for him to show slower than human reflexes against Batman.

Darkseid was physically weak, that was shown several times apart from the Batman showing, and was pretty clear.

Also, Darkseid knew that Batman wouldn't kill his human host and he even didn't know that Batman had a Radion bullet. So as far as Darkseid was concerned, Batman wasn't much of a threat.

^

He was using Turpin's body for crying out loud.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

I don't ignore anything, contrary to you, mr. "SQ beating Thanos is not canon", and who is us? You have some imaginary Friends or an dissociative identity disorder? I'm sorry that I don't know about this, but who is it that beat Thanos?

I think he means Squirrel Girl:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17141053_page09.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17141054_page19.jpg

I haven't seen this many logic leaps in a while...

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
You didn't.

The same way you didn't even grasp my stance here .
It's canon 100%. Deal with it ^^. I did and only FC Seid is in Turpins body anyways.


You have my opinion on the matter but Thats off topic.

Doomsday wins. I agree with you.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think he means Squirrel Girl:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17141053_page09.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/17141054_page19.jpg

100% canon. The best Thanos story out there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I realize the writer who envisioned him as more powerful than any other writers pidgeon holed him into a weak human body. Mandrake became the final act after the good guys consumed the appetizer known as Darkseid.

It's Mandrakk, not mandrake; I hope that's just autocorrect. Regardless, Mandrakk's powerset and importance to the story have no real relevance in this debate. Darkseid was (in his true form) a multi universal monster who caused a singularity throughout creation with his death throes. It took a shitload of dues ex machinas to bring about his demise. I'd say even Squirell Girl stands ZERO chance against his true form.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
100% canon. The best Thanos story out there. No, it isn't but either way it isn't relevant to current Thanos.

Originally posted by tsscls
It's Mandrakk, not mandrake; I hope that's just autocorrect. Regardless, Mandrakk's powerset and importance to the story have no real relevance in this debate. Darkseid was (in his true form) a multi universal monster who caused a singularity throughout creation with his death throes. It took a shitload of dues ex machinas to bring about his demise. I'd say even Squirell Girl stands ZERO chance against his true form. You're right. Dear god one letter being wrong would be the worst thing to happen to me. Nerd.

Darkseid had no impressive physical feats and the only damage he caused was due to the anti life equation and not belonging to the universe hence the destruction.



By your own admission his true form(lol) is forced to cling to a weak human.