Team Val Vs Team Fist

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Golgo13
Team Val (Zero Hour) leads a team of DC's most powerful super soldiers/assassins. Same with Iron Fist. Which team and why?
Karate Kid
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Midnighter
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Essence
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/ESSENCE_zpsc6cf9d33.jpg
Ambrose Chase
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/AC_zps1bbfef8a.jpg
Crimson Avenger
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/CA_zpsaa864381.jpg
Centipede
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/CENT_zpsbc1d7c1e.jpg
Warblade
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/WB_zps9e9869e0.jpg
Frankenstein
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vs

Golgo13
Iron Fist
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/IF_zpsaa26fd16.jpg
Captain America
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Gorgon
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Omega Red
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/OR_zps0b70d211.jpg
Mr. X
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/MX_zpsaf3b4fb3.jpg
Fantomex
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/FANT_zps7a326d19.jpg
Prince of Orphans
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/POO_zpsfe2b2d89.jpg
Wolverine
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/WN_zpsc43f5a10.jpg

Caps Conscience
Fist

Golgo13
Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Fist

Matchups?

Cogito
Team 1.

Spite. Stomp. Rape. However you want to call it.

Uriel005
lol zero hour val!!! He might die to death spores but not before killing everyone team 2 with a little help

Raisen
golgo....why are you such a one sided phag?

Golgo13
Originally posted by Raisen
golgo....why are you such a one sided phag?

laughing out loud You should find your inner peace.

Raisen
Originally posted by Golgo13
laughing out loud You should find your inner peace.

shut the phuck up!!!! you're such a spite threader

Golgo13
Originally posted by Raisen
shut the phuck up!!!! you're such a spite threader

You should try and contribute to the thread. First of all, how is this spite? On Marvel's side you have Prince of Orphans, Fantomex, and Omega Red (Who is Cl 100 or so), and Wolverine. Those are the heavy hitters. Now who are your matchups?

celeyhyga17
Lol.

Raisen
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol.

lol at golgo trying to make this seem like it isn't a spite thread?

Golgo13
Originally posted by Raisen
lol at golgo trying to make this seem like it isn't a spite thread?

It's not. POO survived a blast from Silver Surfer, Omega Red nearly took out Iron Man, and Gorgon is absolute beast. Now tell me how DC will deal with POO or give some matchups.

Raisen
Originally posted by Golgo13
It's not. POO survived a blast from Silver Surfer, Omega Red nearly took out Iron Man, and Gorgon is absolute beast. Now tell me how DC will deal with POO or give some matchups.

dude, STFU with Zero Hour Hal.

you know exactly what you're doing. how you're not banned by now is beyond me. you always make DC favored spite threads and then play dumb when people call you out. how the phuck does prince of orphans make a difference to Zero Hour Hal?
don't even bother to release the dicks from both your hands to free them up for a typed response. you know damn well you're a DC troll.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Raisen
dude, STFU with Zero Hour Hal.

you know exactly what you're doing. how you're not banned by now is beyond me. you always make DC favored spite threads and then play dumb when people call you out. how the phuck does prince of orphans make a difference to Zero Hour Hal?
don't even bother to release the dicks from both your hands to free them up for a typed response. you know damn well you're a DC troll.

Fail. Didn't answer my question. Also, Pre-Crisis KK>>>Zero Hour. Nothing ZH Val can do to POO. NOTHING.

A better matchup would be Essence/POO, since both can turn intangible.

You know nothing of these characters.

Golgo13
lol @ ZH Hal.

janus77
Ah, read the thread title and thought it was Reed's daughter coming up against "The Fist".

carver9
Who's stopping Warblade?

Golgo13
Originally posted by carver9
Who's stopping Warblade?

Maybe Fantomex and misdirection? Or how about Gorgon and his stare?

carver9
Originally posted by Golgo13
Maybe Fantomex and misdirection? Or how about Gorgon and his stare?

Gorgon rarely takes off his shades and doing so would kill his comrades as well. No one here can physically harm Warblade. Omega Red is the key player here but his pheromones would probably take out majority of his teammates as well.

Then you have Frankenstein on the other team...a legit High Herald. Someone that has taken it to Captain Marvel...someone who has defeated OMAC (a team wrecker). Something is definently wrong with this thread.

Golgo13
Originally posted by carver9
Gorgon rarely takes off his shades and doing so would kill his comrades as well. No one here can physically harm Warblade. Omega Red is the key player here but his pheromones would probably take out majority of his teammates as well.

Then you have Frankenstein on the other team...a legit High Herald. Someone that has taken it to Captain Marvel...someone who defeated OMAC (a team wrecker). Something is definently wrong with this thread.

Franky/Omega Red would cancel each other out. OR has had some decent upgrades and this is after he took it to Iron Man.

Gorgon can still use the stare and you still haven't given me a GOOD reason on how any of the DC team takes down Prince of Orphans.

Raisen
Originally posted by carver9
Gorgon rarely takes off his shades and doing so would kill his comrades as well. No one here can physically harm Warblade. Omega Red is the key player here but his pheromones would probably take out majority of his teammates as well.

Then you have Frankenstein on the other team...a legit High Herald. Someone that has taken it to Captain Marvel...someone who has defeated OMAC (a team wrecker). Something is definently wrong with this thread.

THANK YOU

carver9
Originally posted by Golgo13
Franky/Omega Red would cancel each other out. OR has had some decent upgrades and this is after he took it to Iron Man.

Gorgon can still use the stare and you still haven't given me a GOOD reason on how any of the DC team takes down Prince of Orphans.

Franky is a high Herald. Do you honestly think anyone here stands a chance against that?

Golgo13
Originally posted by carver9
Franky is a high Herald. Do you honestly think anyone here stands a chance against that?

Nothing Franky can do to POO in any physical way. If you don't have any good way then just admit it. Stop being DC biased, Carver. It's not you. shifty

Uriel005
Originally posted by Golgo13
Fail. Didn't answer my question. Also, Pre-Crisis KK>>>Zero Hour. Nothing ZH Val can do to POO. NOTHING.

A better matchup would be Essence/POO, since both can turn intangible.

You know nothing of these characters. kinda sorta not really? hence the little help. He still kills the rest of the team before Arkidy's spores kill him if he can't martial arts meditation finangle his way out of that and thats before he would take the breath that orphan would need to get into his lungs/cavities assuming he wouldn't blast him out in an almighty chi fart only to light it and watch orphan burn.

Val even at zero hour was very close to a joke character and as much as I appreciated him I can't justify him in any fight with other martial artists who aren't baselining at herald level before any skills get taken into account.... IIRC. it was in zero hour that he broke the DC 30th century equivalent to adamantium, Inertron. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that one

Golgo13
Originally posted by Uriel005
kinda sorta not really? hence the little help. He still kills the rest of the team before Arkidy's spores kill him if he can't martial arts meditation finangle his way out of that and thats before he would take the breath that orphan would need to get into his lungs/cavities assuming he wouldn't blast him out in an almighty chi fart only to light it and watch orphan burn.

Val even at zero hour was very close to a joke character and as much as I appreciated him I can't justify him in any fight with other martial artists who aren't baselining at herald level before any skills get taken into account.... IIRC. it was in zero hour that he broke the DC 30th century equivalent to adamantium, Inertron. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that one

Val has never harmed an intangible being. The only time I can recall of him doing so was in the Pre-Crisis years, but this is ZH, which is why I used him. I think Val can take anyone out, except the Prince. And maybe Omega Red.

carver9
Originally posted by Golgo13
Nothing Franky can do to POO in any physical way. If you don't have any good way then just admit it. Stop being DC biased, Carver. It's not you. shifty

But you admit Frank can take out the rest of the team?

Golgo13
Originally posted by carver9
But you admit Frank can take out the rest of the team?

All at once? Hell no. IMO, I think OR and Franky will be a near stalemate. OR has a healing factor and a reach advantage. Franky's sword might eventually get the win, since it can cut through anything. Fantomex's misdirection will also work, if he gets it off in time.

Franky isn't even the most dangerous on the field. It's Ambrose Chase.

cdtm
Originally posted by Golgo13

and you still haven't given me a GOOD reason on how any of the DC team takes down Prince of Orphans.

Ambrose Chase could probably take him down, even in his mist form...

And Crimson Avenger, aren't her guns mystical? I'd bet they'd hurt him too.

pym-ftw
Don't listen to these haters Golgo, good thread thumb up

Iron fist Solos.

Golgo13
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Don't listen to these haters Golgo, good thread thumb up

Iron fist Solos.

Thanks. love

Golgo13
Originally posted by cdtm
Ambrose Chase could probably take him down, even in his mist form...

And Crimson Avenger, aren't her guns mystical? I'd bet they'd hurt him too.

I wouldn't put it past Ambrose to affect Prince, but how could you be so sure?

cdtm
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Don't listen to these haters Golgo, good thread thumb up

Iron fist Solos.

It comes down to Val vs Danny.

Mxy and Batmite are gonna be disappointed when they find out there's no DCU for their annual tearing down..

cdtm
Originally posted by Golgo13
I wouldn't put it past Ambrose to affect Prince, but how could you be so sure?

Well, he can manipulate time. Saints immune to physical attacks in mist form, but still operates within the normal flow of time, and never displayed any sort of chronal powers..

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by carver9
Franky is a high Herald. Do you honestly think anyone here stands a chance against that?
Wait... Frankenstein's a high herald now?

DarkSaint85
Fantomex really evens up the odds here.

Mindset
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Don't listen to these haters Golgo, good thread thumb up

Iron fist Solos. thumb up

Cogito
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wait... Frankenstein's a high herald now?

DCnU Franky apparently has some insanse strength and durability feats. Ask Galan for details

abhilegend
Yeah, Frank was manhandling Shazam like a kid. He still lost to Batman though.

vin

Khazra Reborn
Gorgon with the Grasscutter blade is going to be a huge problem, with it he can one shot kill anyone on team 1, except maybe Frank due to being undead. Combine that with his crazy speed plus precog, and that's going to be an issue for anyone on team DC.

Prof. T.C McAbe
But seriously is there an MMA in Marvel compareable to KK?

Golgo13
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Gorgon with the Grasscutter blade is going to be a huge problem, with it he can one shot kill anyone on team 1, except maybe Frank due to being undead. Combine that with his crazy speed plus precog, and that's going to be an issue for anyone on team DC.

He's not one-shotting Ambrose or Essence, who can merely turn intangible. Or Crimson Avenger who is already dead.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Cogito
DCnU Franky apparently has some insanse strength and durability feats. Ask Galan for details

More insane than Red?

pym-ftw
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
But seriously is there an MMA in Marvel compareable to KK?
Depends what you mean by it but Mantis or Gamora are probably what your looking for.

cdtm
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Depends what you mean by it but Mantis or Gamora are probably what your looking for.

Mantis for sure, considering she's done things like knock Obliterator down with a kick, and rode an energy blast from Thanos.

cdtm
Franky has the sword of Archangel Michael.

Weapon of Lucifer Morningstars brother.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Gorgon rarely takes off his shades and doing so would kill his comrades as well. No one here can physically harm Warblade. Omega Red is the key player here but his pheromones would probably take out majority of his teammates as well.

Then you have Frankenstein on the other team...a legit High Herald. Someone that has taken it to Captain Marvel...someone who has defeated OMAC (a team wrecker). Something is definently wrong with this thread.
Frankenstein is a legit High Herald? Damn

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