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Who wins ?

MM should win... that said he won't...

DCNU Superman can withstand MM TP ?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
DCNU Superman can withstand MM TP ?
Yes.

Superman

Loses.

MM

Give it some time superman has to get into his crazy feat groove.

MM wins.

He's stronger and more powerful

Stronger and more powerful?



crylaugh

Originally posted by abhilegend
Stronger and more powerful?



crylaugh I know it's hard for you Superman fans to accept he's not top of the pecking order now, but with you been the Bad Boy of Calcutta you have face worse problems I'm sure

Theoretically speaking, Manhunter should win. In a comic, it'll probably be Superman.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
I know it's hard for you Superman fans to accept he's not top of the pecking order now, but with you been the Bad Boy of Calcutta you have face worse problems I'm sure
I'm sure J'onn stroking his own ego surpass nearly a dozen references to superman being the strongest and most powerful being on earth. Or Superman making every being on JL and JLA throwing off like pin balls when poisoned by kryptonite by just a shockwave.




This happened just recently.

Helspont declared him the most powerful being on earth.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13067013_Superman_Annual-Zone-011.jpg

J'onn was in the issue as one of the heralds of Helspont beat him.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_SupermanAnnual-Zone-014.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_SupermanAnnual-Zone-015.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_SupermanAnnual-Zone-016.jpghttp://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_SupermanAnnual-Zone-017.jpg

Again.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/butterfingers158/SM7_zps6288b9d7.jpg

Do you have anything but J'onn's evil self talking how he is stronger than superman and what not? Give it time, he would go back to whining again how nobody remembers how powerful he is.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2q00lg3.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

But Dr Psycho dont was messing with Superman head, and MM stomped him in TP ?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But Dr Psycho dont was messing with Superman head, and MM stomped him in TP ?
Did you miss the part where Superman was nearly dead with kryptonite poisoning?

Martian Manhunter wins - his special powers like telepathy and intangibility give him the edge.

Take away Martian Manhunters telepathy and it's his battle to lose in the long run.

And no one can tell me that Superman would be able to resist the telepathy to a point where it wouldn't bother him ... New 52 Superman's telepathic resistances haven't been established yet - the opposite happened and opponents were reading and manipulating his mind without even trying.

But hey, tell that to a fanboy.

Originally posted by Enzeru
But hey, tell that to a fanboy.

http://pumabydesign001.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/pot-calling-the-kettle-black.jpg

Like honestly.

Yeah, he only resisted a 5 D imp connecting him to the entire creation's pain and suffering.

Originally posted by abhilegend
While on the other hand Superman is fighting and defeating an evil 5-d imp.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576121_2013-03-20_07-29-30_-_Action_Comics_18-004.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576123_2013-03-20_07-29-32_-_Action_Comics_18-005.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576126_2013-03-20_07-29-35_-_Action_Comics_18-006.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576128_2013-03-20_07-29-48_-_Action_Comics_18-011.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576130_2013-03-20_07-29-50_-_Action_Comics_18-012.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576132_2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576133_2013-03-20_07-30-02_-_Action_Comics_18-017.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576136_2013-03-20_07-30-03_-_Action_Comics_18-018.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15576137_2013-03-20_07-30-05_-_Action_Comics_18-019.jpg

Superman once again took the combined emotions of everyone in the creation. You would like that Dambo.



But hey, everybody who thinks superman can resist telepathy is just a fanboy. Not to mention all superman has to do is light a fire.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
http://pumabydesign001.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/pot-calling-the-kettle-black.jpg

Like honestly.

I vote for the characters, who win the fight. I don't care if they're from Marvel or DC. I vote for who wins, it's that simple.
I don't make a secret out of my hate for DC comics, but that would never affect my take on something.

You and many others here on the other hand ... as soon as a DC character is in the battle, you will vote for that fraction - UNLESS it's an utter spite ... there you don't have a different choice, but to vote for the obvious winner ... UNLESS your name is Raj, then Superdudebro still always prevails.

There are four types of posters on boards:

Type One:

Has a neutral point of view and he gives the wins to the characters HE believes would win basing on his own knowledge and with the expectation to see the characters fighting at their best and use their abilities to their fullest.

I am someone like that.

Type Two:

Has a slight bias towards the publisher he enjoys more and most of the time he sides with these characters, because he knows them better - because he knows their feats better.

I would say that Quan is someone like that.

Type Three:

MY COMPANY RULEZZZZZZ, YOUR COMPANY SUUUUUUCKSXORIZORRRTTT!!!
SUPERDUDEBRO WINZZZZ, OLOLO! GTFO HERE THANOS, DARKSEID IST TEH BOOOOOOSS!
YAAAAAAAAH HUUUULKK STRONKKEST ONE THERE IZZ! PUNCH DA GALACTUS IN DA FACE!!! POWER OF A BAZZILLIONY EXPLODING SUNSTARS!!!

80% of the posters here, with scumbags like yourself, Golgo13, Raj, DarkOne, Insane Titan and other peasants leading the front.

Type Three Point Five (I guess):

Trolls, who say that a character is going to win to upset everyone on the board.

T0NY STARK

Type Four:

Carver.

^You try to be funny and fail, you try to make yourself look better then you are and fail, you get into defensive mode and start insulting people because you live in denial and so you fail. You are in a thread DC vs DC and accuse me of bias and fail, you could scroll up and read that I say MM should win but won't, can't even grasp implications behind this, and so you fail, yet again. All in all, you fail.

And there are only 2 Kinds, people who think their Char is omnipotent, like you do or a special kind of Thanos fan, and those who don't.



Rage on, son.

I hate all of you.

I have a well reasoned bias for DarkSaint85.

That said, I give this forum fight to MM.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
You try to be funny and fail

But I am funny. I can't do anything against the fact that you fished your sense of humor out of a garbage can.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
you try to make yourself look better then you are and fail

No need for that, I am awesome enough.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
you get into defensive mode and start insulting people because you live in denial and so you fail.

I am the nicest person on the planet. I'm not insulting anyone, I'm just schooling braindead ghuls.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
You are in a thread DC vs DC and accuse me of bias and fail , you could scroll up and read that I say MM should win but won't, can't even grasp implications behind this, and so you fail, yet again. All in all, you fail.

During this part you've lost it.
I never accused you of anything regarding this topic. Everyone, who knows his comics should know that Martian Manhunter is in the top 5 High Herald threats for Superman and when it comes to telepathy he is even above the level of a high herald.

I accused you of weird shit you pulled off in other threads like siding with DC characters, even though their opponents had a massive advantage in some way, shape or form - which makes you a biased scumbag, who then gets all butthurt, when he gets called out on it.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
And there are only 2 Kinds, people who think their Char is omnipotent, like you do or a special kind of Thanos fan, and those who don't.

Sentry is immortal, doesn't age, can heal and resurrect people, create life, supposedly has limitless powers and can tear apart molecule manipulators, who themselves look like reality warpers in the process.

That straight up goes into the direction of being omnipotent.

I'm not saying that Sentry is omnipotent (while Marvel has said it more than once), due to Sentry's clear limits throughout the comics, which were based on his mental instability which varied from time to time, but the character has the potential to reach that omnipotence.

Do I want him to do it? Hell no, because being a flawed human being is what makes him relatable and more believable.

So I don't even want the character to be omnipotent, say that he is NOT omnipotent right now, but also don't deny the fact that he has been stated to be just that ... and you still try to make it look like I do all these things?

You're so pathetic, man.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Rage on, son.

You wouldn't like me, when I'm angry.

Originally posted by Enzeru
But I am funny. I can't do anything against the fact that you fished your sense of humor out of a garbage can.



No need for that, I am awesome enough.



I am the nicest person on the planet. I'm not insulting anyone, I'm just schooling braindead ghuls.



During this part you've lost it.
I never accused you of anything regarding this topic. Everyone, who knows his comics should know that Martian Manhunter is in the top 5 High Herald threats for Superman and when it comes to telepathy he is even above the level of a high herald.

I accused you of weird shit you pulled off in other threads like siding with DC characters, even though their opponents had a massive advantage in some way, shape or form - which makes you a biased scumbag, who then gets all butthurt, when he gets called out on it.



Sentry is immortal, doesn't age, can heal and resurrect people, create life, supposedly has limitless powers and can tear apart molecule manipulators, who themselves look like reality warpers in the process.

That straight up goes into the direction of being omnipotent.

I'm not saying that Sentry is omnipotent (while Marvel has said it more than once), due to Sentry's clear limits throughout the comics, which were based on his mental instability which varied from time to time, but the character has the potential to reach that omnipotence.

Do I want him to do it? Hell no, because being a flawed human being is what makes him relatable and more believable.

So I don't even want the character to be omnipotent, say that he is NOT omnipotent right now, but also don't deny the fact that he has been stated to be just that ... and you still try to make it look like I do all these things?

You're so pathetic, man.



You wouldn't like me, when I'm angry.

You are not funny, as much as you try, you are angry and rage. You are just tough over the net in RL you are what you are here to, a failure .

And I would laugh at you in RL if you would be angry. Still I pity you, son.

BTW you owned yourself yet again with your sentry obession and Marvel bias, just sayin^^.

Yep. Whatever.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Yep. Whatever.

Ok sorry for hurting your feelings, son.

http://static.tumblr.com/78e066d17462c71e70a8ab33fb9bf934/t296mfn/Arxmpw4sc/tumblr_static_tumblr_mi2i902lnk1rdi1mfo1_500.gif

Hahaha, this is THE best. Enzeru thinks he and quan are better than everybody else?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, this is THE best. Enzeru thinks he and quan are better than everybody else? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, just better than the scumbags I called out.

You're a scumbag, Raj. The sooner you realize it the better for the sake of everyone, who has to deal with you.

And now stop behaving like you're 13 yours old... You are older, right?

Originally posted by Enzeru
No, just better than the scumbags I called out.

You're a scumbag, Raj. The sooner you realize it the better for the sake of everyone, who has to deal with you.

And now stop behaving like you're 13 yours old... You are older, right?
Yeah, you live in a bizarro world. I truly feel sorry for you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, you live in a bizarro world.

I do man, I really do and it sucks being normal, yet surrounded by billions of retards, who wear #1 necklaces and think they're the best thing since sliced bread, even though they're not.

But I'll stop now. I actually straight up respect the tolerance of the KMC mods, but I'm not crazy enough to think that they don't have a line, which I might end up crossing sooner or later, if I continue to argue with Bizzaro people like you.

I'm out.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I do man, I really do and it sucks being normal, yet surrounded by billions of retards, who wear #1 necklaces and think they're the best thing since sliced bread, even though they're not.

But I'll stop now. I actually straight up respect the tolerance of the KMC mods, but I'm not crazy enough to think that they don't have a line, which I might end up crossing sooner or later, if I continue to argue with Bizzaro people like you.

I'm out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania

Originally posted by Enzeru
I do man, I really do and it sucks being normal, yet surrounded by billions of retards, who wear #1 necklaces and think they're the best thing since sliced bread, even though they're not.

But I'll stop now. I actually straight up respect the tolerance of the KMC mods, but I'm not crazy enough to think that they don't have a line, which I might end up crossing sooner or later, if I continue to argue with Bizzaro people like you.

I'm out. Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, you live in a bizarro world. I truly feel sorry for you.

Dont read many DC comics. Many=none. But Martian Manhunter used to be on par with Supes correct? Plus telepathy, intangibility, transformation? Going by these powersets I would give the fight to him. But from what I have seen. DC has gone a long way to pretty much shit on all of their characters besides superman

I don't know who you are Enzeru or why you're attacking people, but stop with the trolling and flaming.

Jonn wins. Every fight they've been in MM has had the advantage. Looking at recent fights of the two, MM always have the advatage, while taking on other members of the JLA. Then, if we are looking at statements, at half power, it was stated that MM is more powerful than Superman. Also, this...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot20_zpsca690cd4.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

This happened after a mind blast. Lois (during the time she had mental powers) thought Superman was dead. She basically revived him. Martian has a LOT of options to win this. I think in time Superman will probably surpass MM but right now, I'm giving MM the edge.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
But Martian Manhunter used to be on par with Supes correct?

Not really, no.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Dont read many DC comics. Many=none. But Martian Manhunter used to be on par with Supes correct? Plus telepathy, intangibility, transformation? Going by these powersets I would give the fight to him. But from what I have seen. DC has gone a long way to pretty much shit on all of their characters besides superman

By all means he should be, maybe a little slower and a little weaker physically and his invulnerability isn't as good but his other powers should tip the scale. However, he is not very popular and thus has too many low showings, hopefully that will change in the new DCU.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Dont read many DC comics. Many=none. But Martian Manhunter used to be on par with Supes correct? Plus telepathy, intangibility, transformation? Going by these powersets I would give the fight to him. But from what I have seen. DC has gone a long way to pretty much shit on all of their characters besides superman

"I don't read DC Comics but lemme just make a half assed insult about stuff I blatantly admitted to not reading."

Originally posted by carver9
Jonn wins. Every fight they've been in MM has had the advantage. Looking at recent fights of the two, MM always have the advatage, while taking on other members of the JLA. Then, if we are looking at statements, at half power, it was stated that MM is more powerful than Superman. Also, this...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot20_zpsca690cd4.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

This happened after a mind blast. Lois (during the time she had mental powers) thought Superman was dead. She basically revived him. Martian has a LOT of options to win this. I think in time Superman will probably surpass MM but right now, I'm giving MM the edge. I don't agree with all of this. But I do agree that mental attacks is the best option J'onn has to win this. The Psi War storyline made that rather clear.

Originally posted by carver9
Jonn wins. Every fight they've been in MM has had the advantage. Looking at recent fights of the two, MM always have the advatage, while taking on other members of the JLA. Then, if we are looking at statements, at half power, it was stated that MM is more powerful than Superman. Also, this...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot20_zpsca690cd4.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

This happened after a mind blast. Lois (during the time she had mental powers) thought Superman was dead. She basically revived him. Martian has a LOT of options to win this. I think in time Superman will probably surpass MM but right now, I'm giving MM the edge.

yep that is full of lolz

Hector Hammond, Hive Queen and Psycho Pirate were revealed to be above every telepath on earth. Its not a bad showing for superman. Lobdell went out of his way to state that Superman was the most powerful being on earth.

http://i.imgur.com/4nGh91j.jpg

Heck, he stated that Superman, Superboy and Supergirl were three of the most powerful beings in OMNIVERSE.

http://postimg.org/image/xw7da3fj9/

Anybody thinking J'onn is more powerful than superman when nearly every writer has stated opposite is out of their mind.

Anyway a blast of HV and J'onn goes down.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hector Hammond, Hive Queen and Psycho Pirate were revealed to be above every telepath on earth. Its not a bad showing for superman. Lobdell went out of his way to state that Superman was the most powerful being on earth.

http://i.imgur.com/4nGh91j.jpg

Heck, he stated that Superman, Superboy and Supergirl were three of the most powerful beings in OMNIVERSE.

http://postimg.org/image/xw7da3fj9/

Anybody thinking J'onn is more powerful than superman when nearly every writer has stated opposite is out of their mind.

Anyway a blast of HV and J'onn goes down. You said nearly which doesn't mean every. Quit being biased and ignoring the dissenting opinion. Those who believe MM is more powerful are basing it off of something.

Hahaha.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha. Your own words gave you away. Neither side is correct and its a matter of opinion since there are dissenting opinions here.

DCNU MM is weak against fire/heat ? I dont remember that.

Lol @ Lobdell.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
DCNU MM is weak against fire/heat ? I dont remember that.
Yeah, he is weak to fire as every version of MM.

As per JLA 9, J'onn is not only weak to fire he's also afraid of it, since it represents his greatest failure. If Superman is feeling particularly saucy he can unleash the beams of concentrated super nova from his eyes and turn MM into a crying green marshmallow.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
As per JLA 9, J'onn is not only weak to fire he's also afraid of it, since it represents his greatest failure. If Superman is feeling particularly saucy he can unleash the beams of concentrated super nova from his eyes and turn MM into a crying green marshmallow. Intangibility.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hector Hammond, Hive Queen and Psycho Pirate were revealed to be above every telepath on earth. Its not a bad showing for superman. Lobdell went out of his way to state that Superman was the most powerful being on earth.

http://i.imgur.com/4nGh91j.jpg

Heck, he stated that Superman, Superboy and Supergirl were three of the most powerful beings in OMNIVERSE.

http://postimg.org/image/xw7da3fj9/

Anybody thinking J'onn is more powerful than superman when nearly every writer has stated opposite is out of their mind.

Anyway a blast of HV and J'onn goes down.

Psycho Pirate was a beast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Intangibility.

Doesn't have to hit him, just starting a fire paralyzes J'onn with fear.

Supes recently got mind controlled by skeletor

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Doesn't have to hit him, just starting a fire paralyzes J'onn with fear.
Not to mention Superman can tag intangible beings with HV just fine.

http://i.imgur.com/3ye6cxv.jpgOriginally posted by Inhuman
Supes recently got mind controlled by skeletor
Non canon+magic weakness.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Dont read many DC comics. Many=none. But Martian Manhunter used to be on par with Supes correct? Plus telepathy, intangibility, transformation? Going by these powersets I would give the fight to him. But from what I have seen. DC has gone a long way to pretty much shit on all of their characters besides superman

I have read much New 52, but your comment seems to be referring to New Earth continuity.

No, Martian Manhunter never really was on-par with Superman in things like strength, speed and durability. There's too many examples for me to list, but a few I'll name include the last JLA storyline before INFINITE CRISIS, Despero wrecked J'Onn, Superman put-up a far better fight by comparison. And Superman was fighting Dominus in synthetic Kryptonite radiation levels so high, they'd be deadly to J'Onn and Wonder Woman for an hour. And three examples of Superman looking better(sometimes far better) against Doomsday than J'Onn did, as well as the Supergirl/Dark Kara stint. On speed, J'Onn has straight-up said Superman is faster than him, although it was a general statement and not specific(but considering Superman's better flight, reaction time, time perception a combat/operational speed feats, we'd assume he's faster in every way).

Then when it comes to telepathy, Superman has subconsciously forced J'Onn out of his head while being examined, J'Onn stated Superman can basically block him out, and more powerful telepaths(Brainiac, an amped Hector Hammad, Manchester Black and Despero) have all been forced-out or failed in their attempts to control over telepathically incapacitate Superman.

Superman can also overcome invisibility with his senses, and he's shown he can use his Heat Vision to attack intangible opponents. Superman can even turn intangible himself, although J'Onn would likely have greater extremes he can go to and he can use this as a weapon. But basically J'Onn being on-par or more powerful than Superman is mostly due to a combination of the assumption that they're physical peers and J'Onn's more exotic powers put him above, and a few, often out of context, examples where J'Onn looks better than Superman against common opponents. While ignoring the larger number where Superman looks better.

MM should win... that said he won't... http://netkios.com/hu12b.jpg

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Doesn't have to hit him, just starting a fire paralyzes J'onn with fear. Scans ?

Check out JLA #9.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Check out JLA #9. Scans . I am not running out to look for some random issue.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Scans . I am not running out to look for some random issue.

http://liveitloveitdoit.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/hmmmm.gif

Originally posted by quanchi112
Scans . I am not running out to look for some random issue.

Lol, I'm not running around looking for scans for you. If you want to see it, buy the comic. It's not like it's hard to come by, it came out maybe two weeks ago.

Originally posted by Enzeru
There are four types of posters on boards:

Type One:

Has a neutral point of view and he gives the wins to the characters HE believes would win basing on his own knowledge and with the expectation to see the characters fighting at their best and use their abilities to their fullest.

I am someone like that. Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry is immortal, doesn't age, can heal and resurrect people, create life, supposedly has limitless powers and can tear apart molecule manipulators, who themselves look like reality warpers in the process.

That straight up goes into the direction of being omnipotent.

I'm not saying that Sentry is omnipotent (while Marvel has said it more than once), due to Sentry's clear limits throughout the comics, which were based on his mental instability which varied from time to time, but the character has the potential to reach that omnipotence.

Do I want him to do it? Hell no, because being a flawed human being is what makes him relatable and more believable.

So I don't even want the character to be omnipotent, say that he is NOT omnipotent right now, but also don't deny the fact that he has been stated to be just that ... and you still try to make it look like I do all these things?

You're so pathetic, man.

So Enzu relates to a mentally unstable character. I guess it's the he's not taking his medication.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Quote + Quote

Yeah, I don't see where the problem is in my quotes :-7

Legion has the potential to be an omnipotent character, due to one of his personas, but most of the time he is not. Does this now make me biased towards Legion?
Thor if written properly with all of the plot device powers from the 60s has the potential to be an omnipotent character - does this now make me biased towards Thor?

I'm just stating the obvious and unfortunately for this board - the obvious goes over the heads of so many people here.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So Enzu relates to a mentally unstable character. I guess it's the he's not taking his medication.

There is a scene featuring Iron Man, where Iron Man hacks CLOC, which is sending Sentry information about incoming catastrophes so that the Sentry could take care of them - but Iron Man uses that as a weapon against the Sentry and rains tons of catastrophes at the same time upon the Sentry, who then collapses due to not being able to decide who he should save and who not.

That is beautiful writing and establishes the Sentry as a character, who cares about others and then then he also has evil days, where he doesn't give a damn and simply kills everything around him, or his agoraphobia comes into place and he is unable to leave his house to save everyone from the Hulk.

Sentry is a complex character - He is human. We are all complex. Some more than the others, but Sentry should be the most relateable godlike superhero for everyone. You wouldn't be a perfect superhero like Superman is supposed to be (even though he is not). You would have your flaws like the Sentry.

Superman... yes... Then you have someone like Superman, who benchpresses the weight of the Earth for 5 days and he is supposed to be an icon - and partially he has the powerset to save a lot of people, but he doesn't ... he instead wastes time to benchpress the planet instead, while countless of people die in the meantime.

And I'm the one who's crazy here? And Badabing doesn't understand why I troll and flame people like you? God damn.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Yeah, I don't see where the problem is in my quotes :-7

Legion has the potential to be an omnipotent character, due to one of his personas, but most of the time he is not. Does this now make me biased towards Legion?
Thor if written properly with all of the plot device powers from the 60s has the potential to be an omnipotent character - does this now make me biased towards Thor?

I'm just stating the obvious and unfortunately for this board - the obvious goes over the heads of so many people here.



There is a scene featuring Iron Man, where Iron Man hacks CLOC, which is sending Sentry information about incoming catastrophes so that the Sentry could take care of them - but Iron Man uses that as a weapon against the Sentry and rains tons of catastrophes at the same time upon the Sentry, who then collapses due to not being able to decide who he should save and who not.

That is beautiful writing and establishes the Sentry as a character, who cares about others and then then he also has evil days, where he doesn't give a damn and simply kills everything around him, or his agoraphobia comes into place and he is unable to leave his house to save everyone from the Hulk.

Sentry is a complex character - He is human. We are all complex. Some more than the others, but Sentry should be the most relateable godlike superhero for everyone. You wouldn't be a perfect superhero like Superman is supposed to be (even though he is not). You would have your flaws like the Sentry.

Superman... yes... Then you have someone like Superman, who benchpresses the weight of the Earth for 5 days and he is supposed to be an icon - and partially he has the powerset to save a lot of people, but he doesn't ... he instead wastes time to benchpress the planet instead, while countless of people die in the meantime.

And I'm the one who's crazy here? And Badabing doesn't understand why I troll and flame people like you? God damn.

This sums it up about you.



http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/2630/youre-not-deep.jpg

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Lol, I'm not running around looking for scans for you. If you want to see it, buy the comic. It's not like it's hard to come by, it came out maybe two weeks ago. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Delta1938
http://liveitloveitdoit.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/hmmmm.gif That sums you up alright.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

What am I conceding to exactly?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What am I conceding to exactly? You made a claim and then conceded.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made a claim and then conceded.

What? Not only did I not concede, I told you exactly where you can find what you're looking for.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What? Not only did I not concede, I told you exactly where you can find what you're looking for. So basically a torch defeats MM iyo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So basically a torch defeats MM iyo.

Potentially, according to JLA anyways, although I'm sure J'onn's strengths and weaknesses will be expounded upon as time goes on.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Potentially, according to JLA anyways, although I'm sure J'onn's strengths and weaknesses will be expounded upon as time goes on. The lack of credit you give dc characters is appalling. I'm disgusted by your insinuations.

Quan can you engage Enzeru in the Thanos vs Void thread, I know you are not afraid of him to debate him, but He seems like he is afraid to debate you.

That is all I want for Christmas

Originally posted by quanchi112
The lack of credit you give dc characters is appalling. I'm disgusted by your insinuations.

That's an awfully blanketed statement, especially considering you don't know me, and you don't seem to keep up with J'onn anyways. So how do you figure I'm discrediting him?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
That's an awfully blanketed statement, especially considering you don't know me, and you don't seem to keep up with J'onn anyways. So how do you figure I'm discrediting him? You are saying anyone with fire can defeat him. I doubt that is the case. What's worse is you won't produce the scans to validate it is that crippling of a weakness.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are saying anyone with fire can defeat him. I doubt that is the case. What's worse is you won't produce the scans to validate it is that crippling of a weakness.

The torch euphemism is obviously extreme, and as I said I'm sure it will be expounded upon in the future. But as it stands, fire represents his biggest failure and he's paralyzingly afraid of it. Nothing really more to it than that.

FYI, it's not that I 'won't' produce scans. I don't have them, all I have is the actual book, I don't have the digital version or anything like that.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
The torch euphemism is obviously extreme, and as I said I'm sure it will be expounded upon in the future. But as it stands, fire represents his biggest failure and he's paralyzingly afraid of it. Nothing really more to it than that.

FYI, it's not that I 'won't' produce scans. I don't have them, all I have is the actual book, I don't have the digital version or anything like that. Describe the scene and the dialogue word for word.

Damn dude, are you serious? Can't you just be nice to me and go buy JLA 9?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Damn dude, are you serious? Can't you just be nice to me and go buy JLA 9? Look I want to believe there is good in the comic universe. That fans won't try to spin something into something it isn't(Abhilegend). I am too busy and don't care enough to run to the comic shop to look this up. Do this for yourself and for me, the one the only Quanchi.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So basically a torch defeats MM iyo.
Try matchsticks.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Try matchsticks.
What? Did he lose to somebody with matchsticks?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What? Did he lose to somebody with matchsticks?
IIRC, Batman once threatened him with matchsticks and he backed down.

Originally posted by Epicurus
IIRC, Batman once threatened him with matchsticks and he backed down.
That was in DC new frontier which is non canon. It was said once by wally that an exploding car would kill him though.

Zod beat the phuck out of MM in today's Superman/Wonder Woman.

Although, it was implied that the heat of the desert (where Zod was found) affected MM.

Guys, be on topic.

Originally posted by deathlife
Zod beat the phuck out of MM in today's Superman/Wonder Woman.

Although, it was implied that the heat of the desert (where Zod was found) affected MM.
Really?



I can't wait to see CitizenBane's reaction over this.

The heat of the desert had nothing to do with it. It was the flames from MM using his heat vision--which only shows how stupid it is that MM HAS heat vision.

At any rate, flames aside, the overall implication in this book is that Kryptonians > Martians. Apparently, the DCU hasn't settled this yet, but I know where my money would be.

Well... that ends that...

Also lol at MM just being weak to heat in general now.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Try matchsticks. Scans ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was in DC new frontier which is non canon. It was said once by wally that an exploding car would kill him though.
Nah, not that. The scene which I am talking about stands out in my memory, I am simply unable to recall the exact issue where it happened. It was a Pre-Flashpoint comic though, so don't know if that applies here. Honestly though, the way J'onn has handled fire in the past almost borders on the way Superman handles magic/kryptonite at times; either it is a super fatal weakness or he can power through even quantitatively extreme scales of said weakness(in his case fire).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Scans ?
I'll post them when I find them.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
The heat of the desert had nothing to do with it. It was the flames from MM using his heat vision--which only shows how stupid it is that MM HAS heat vision.

At any rate, flames aside, the overall implication in this book is that Kryptonians > Martians. Apparently, the DCU hasn't settled this yet, but I know where my money would be.

Yeah, you're right.

But its quite idiotic that a being that's weak to fire has heat vision.

I really wish they had rebooted MM as the DCAU version, and kept him in the JLA. DC has way too many Kryptonian-type power sets, but DCAU MM was quite a unique hero that really fit well into the JL.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Nah, not that. The scene which I am talking about stands out in my memory, I am simply unable to recall the exact issue where it happened. It was a Pre-Flashpoint comic though, so don't know if that applies here. Honestly though, the way J'onn has handled fire in the past almost borders on the way Superman handles magic/kryptonite at times; either it is a super fatal weakness or he can power through even quantitatively extreme scales of said weakness(in his case fire).

I'll post them when I find them.
I don't think that has happened in canon. But yeah, J'onn fluctuates wildly when it comes to fire even under a single writer. Sometimes he could get killed by an exploding car and then he helps lifting a city sized chariot while being on fire.

And Zod nearly killed J'onn as Trevor states here.

http://abload.de/img/supermanwonderwoman3-kefu2.jpg

lol, J'onn.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Zod nearly killed J'onn as Trevor states here.

http://abload.de/img/supermanwonderwoman3-kefu2.jpg



There is that and the whole feeling trough Trinity War in which everybody is worried about a rogue Superman.

Including MMH who is supposed to be the counter for Superman.

Yeah, he was like "Wut, Johns isn't writing this title?" This is more hilarious if you combine this with this.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17007917_14.jpg

"Me am stronger than superman!!!!!"

Don't worry champ, soon you'll whine again why nobody remembers you're as powerful as superman.

Well, it's not often that a thread's premise is answered so definitively in the comics themselves. I approve.

Originally posted by emporerpants
Well, it's not often that a thread's premise is answered so definitively in the comics themselves. I approve. Because J'onn weakening himself purposefully and then being caught off-guard would automatically translate to a fight fight Superman?

Superman > Matchsticks > Manjobber

Originally posted by abhilegend

Non canon+magic weakness.

You sure it's not canon?

Looks canon for the Masters universe, at least.

Well, lets see...fire weakens MM...Supes has heat vision which can cause fire...yeah.

f you DC for making such a joke out of MM

Originally posted by emporerpants
Well, it's not often that a thread's premise is answered so definitively in the comics themselves. I approve.

Well, a guy beating other in a comic is not a "definitively awnser" to a fight, since in forum rules we have " PIS less", and in many fights in comics we have PIS.

Originally posted by cdtm
You sure it's not canon?

Looks canon for the Masters universe, at least.

That still wouldn't make it canon for Superman, though.

And even then, magic etc.

Originally posted by cdtm
You sure it's not canon?

Looks canon for the Masters universe, at least.
Yeah, its explicitly non canon for DCU.

It's definitive because Superman can basically whip out MM's version of K-nite whenever the mood strikes him. This was also a noob version of Zod who doesn't know how to use his powers and he stomped MM.

Martian Manhunter is full of fail.

Superman wins this.

Hard.

Originally posted by emporerpants
It's definitive because Superman can basically whip out MM's version of K-nite whenever the mood strikes him. This was also a noob version of Zod who doesn't know how to use his powers and he stomped MM. Because J'onn weakening himself purposefully and then being caught off-guard would automatically translate to a definitive fight for Superman?

Wasn't Zod weakened as well?

^ Yes, traveling from the Phantom Zone taxed him greatly. According to him anyway. Probably explains why he was so easily subdued by the lasso.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Yes, traveling from the Phantom Zone taxed him greatly. According to him anyway. Probably explains why he was so easily subdued by the lasso. Think it goes without saying he would have broken the lasso and snapped WW's neck otherwise.

UP.

Anything changes with new feats ?

Translation to naitive tongue:

DCNU Editors vs DCNU Martian Manhunter

Winner: DCNU Editors

Guess heat vision won't work on MM since he was at the sun recently. Martian Manhunter and Supes are even strength wise. Giving the edge to Hunter due to versatility and telepathy.

Originally posted by carver9
Guess heat vision won't work on MM since he was at the sun recently. Martian Manhunter and Supes are even strength wise. Giving the edge to Hunter due to versatility and telepathy.

He's not more versatile, he has the Superman power set along with tons more powers- He should be more POWERFUL, straight up. Unfortunately, there is a Super Ceiling at D.C. and MM can't seem to break through it or phase through it.

Originally posted by carver9
Guess heat vision won't work on MM since he was at the sun recently. Martian Manhunter and Supes are even strength wise. Giving the edge to Hunter due to versatility and telepathy.


He was near the Sun and it was a Problem for him, Superman commented on this, now a HV blast directly would be by far worse. Superman should be stronger and faster. He wins.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He was near the Sun and it was a Problem for him, Superman commented on this, now a HV blast directly would be by far worse. Superman should be stronger and faster. He wins.

He squint his eyes, that's it. He wasn't physically damaged at all. Superman isn't stronger though and being faster is debatable.

Originally posted by carver9
He squint his eyes, that's it. He wasn't physically damaged at all. Superman isn't stronger though and being faster is debatable.

And was terrified. He has a heat weakness and Supermans HV is enough to win this every time. Supes is also stronger and faster, he has more strength feats and did better against Billy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention Superman can tag intangible beings with HV just fine.

http://i.imgur.com/3ye6cxv.jpg
Non canon+magic weakness. How da **** does HV tag intangible beings?

Man...FKN S.

Edit Also LMFAO Martian Vision weakening Jonn. LOL. And heat. Damn. Really sucks to be him.

But Martian Manhunter intagibility work this was ? By moving his molecules at high speed ? I dont think so...

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But Martian Manhunter intagibility work this was ? By moving his molecules at high speed ? I dont think so... what?

Flash, and the guy from the scan you quoted get intangible by vibrating molecules.

Martian Manhunter not.

In Flash series we saw cold can make his molecules slower. In this scan Superman used his freezing breath to do something like that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

No question. In fact, he's blocked out MM's tp under Ostrander, who wrote the definitive version of the character.

Plus his rogues gallery includes telepaths that put even Manhunter to shame.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But Martian Manhunter intagibility work this was ? By moving his molecules at high speed ? I dont think so... Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Flash, and the guy from the scan you quoted get intangible by vibrating molecules.

Martian Manhunter not.

In Flash series we saw cold can make his molecules slower. In this scan Superman used his freezing breath to do something like that.
That was a ghost. I don't think J'onn can become "more" tangible than a ghost.

This is just as much as a stomp as it was before the newest feat. Seriously. Heat vision will f*** MM up. Supes can tag intangible things as well. Supes did better against Billy. Zod almost killed MM in a few punches. Supes has much better strength and speed feats. The list goes on.

Also, trying to say that Supes and MM are equal strength wise because they both were lifting something is dumb. Seriously. It's like a power lifter trying to bench 480 pounds and needing a spot from a weaker guy. Would you seriously claim that the spotter is just as strong simply because he helped the guy benching to lift it? It's silly. Simply silly.

Saying that Supes and MM each lifted 50% of that ship is just a playing safe because we don't know exactly how much stronger Supes is than MM. Everyone knows though that Supes lifted more, we just don't know how much more. Thus people play it safe and say 50% when we all know damn well that Supes likely did more than 50%. Especially since it was Pak writing it.

Still this:
Originally posted by Epicurus
Theoretically speaking, Manhunter should win. In a comic, it'll probably be Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was a ghost. I don't think J'onn can become "more" tangible than a ghost.

What matter here is how MM gets intangible. This technique from Superman only work in people who get intangible by vibrating molecules. If MM get intangible by another way, this will not work.

Anyone know how works MM intangibility ? Was explained in new 52?

Originally posted by carver9
Guess heat vision won't work on MM since he was at the sun recently. Martian Manhunter and Supes are even strength wise. Giving the edge to Hunter due to versatility and telepathy.

Unless there was narration or something to give context, them sharing in a feat is in no way proof of equal strength. At best proof of same class. But you wouldn't know better Kitty-Kat.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
How da **** does HV tag intangible beings?

Man...FKN S.

Edit Also LMFAO Martian Vision weakening Jonn. LOL. And heat. Damn. Really sucks to be him.

Superman used his Heat Vision to hurt intangible opponents at least 3 times in the Pre-DCnU days.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman isn't stronger though and being faster is debatable.
Are you basing this off their recent feat?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Are you basing this off their recent feat?

In general. By the way, looking at their recent ft, wouldn't that make J'onn stronger than an average Superman?

I'm also basing it off the fact that MM took on the League including Superman and held his own.

Originally posted by carver9
In general. By the way, looking at their recent ft, wouldn't that make J'onn stronger than an average Superman?


Why would it make J'onn "stronger than an average Superman?"

Originally posted by Delta1938
Why would it make J'onn "stronger than an average Superman?"

Look at that entire showing and you'll see why. Look what happened before they pushed the ship.

Originally posted by carver9
Look at that entire showing and you'll see why. Look what happened before they pushed the ship.

Just tell me. In your own words.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Just tell me. In your own words.

Why when you can look at it and see. It's right there.

Originally posted by carver9

I'm also basing it off the fact that MM took on the League including Superman and held his own.

Before Superman single-handedly said, screw this, and took him apart and thrashed him.

Originally posted by carver9
Why when you can look at it and see. It's right there.

You never even asked a question. Tell me in your own words. Now. Or concede.

Originally posted by carver9
Look at that entire showing and you'll see why. Look what happened before they pushed the ship.
J'onn has a known fire weakness. They went to the sun so Clark could amp up. During reentry J'onn is clearly shown burning up(probably weakening). Even though it was a shared feat, if anything Supes easily shouldered most of the weight from those two factors. Add in the fact that Clark is generally known as the stronger of the two.

If was to put in a figure, I would say Clark supplied at least 75% of the power.

.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
J'onn has a known fire weakness. They went to the sun so Clark could amp up. During reentry J'onn is clearly shown burning up(probably weakening). Even though it was a shared feat, if anything Supes easily shouldered most of the weight from those two factors. Add in the fact that Clark is generally known as the stronger of the two.


huhu So basically J'onn was there to cheerlead and Kitty Kat's poor reading comprehension took that as "YEAH!!! Superman isn't as strong as he really is!!" And went to fap to more Hulk comics. uhuh

Lol

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
J'onn has a known fire weakness. They went to the sun so Clark could amp up. During reentry J'onn is clearly shown burning up(probably weakening). Even though it was a shared feat, if anything Supes easily shouldered most of the weight from those two factors. Add in the fact that Clark is generally known as the stronger of the two.

This guy knows what I am talking about. Nothing proven that Martian didn't pull half of the weight tbh. It's a made up assumption tbh.

As the most powerful? J'onn was stated as being the most powerful as well. Statements doesn't hold weight for either.

It appears fire doesn't hurt J'onn as much as it did in the past or Pak just ignored it. Why would you think reentry would weakened him I n stead of him being directly at the sun?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
J'onn has a known fire weakness. They went to the sun so Clark could amp up. During reentry J'onn is clearly shown burning up(probably weakening). Even though it was a shared feat, if anything Supes easily shouldered most of l weight from those two factors. Add in the fact that Clark is generally known as the stronger of the two.

If was to put in a figure, I would say Clark supplied at least 75% of the power.

Lies.

A weakened MM was the equal of Superman. In fact, even whilst the fire was weakening him, he was still shouldering the burden of Kal.

I would say MM supplied at least 99% of the weight, which may have dropped to 95% as the flames took their toll.

Originally posted by carver9
This guy knows what I am talking about. Nothing proven that Martian didn't pull half of the weight tbh. It's a made up assumption tbh.

As the most powerful? J'onn was stated as being the most powerful as well. Statements doesn't hold weight for either.

It appears fire doesn't hurt J'onn as much as it did in the past or Pak just ignored it. Why would you think reentry would weakened him I n stead of him being directly at the sun?



"Fire doesn't hurt him as much?" You talking Pre or Post-FLASHPOINT?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lies.

A weakened MM was the equal of Superman. In fact, even whilst the fire was weakening him, he was still shouldering the burden of Kal.

I would say MM supplied at least 99% of the weight, which may have dropped to 95% as the flames took their toll.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
During reentry J'onn is clearly shown burning

This is weird, because when he come to earth for the first time he didnt burn in reentry.

I dont think MM is stronger than Superman. But we have some statements who say they are comparable phisically. And i think this new feat back up those claims. Superman could be stronger, but not by that much.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
This is weird, because when he come to earth for the first time he didnt burn in reentry.

I dont think MM is stronger than Superman. But we have some statements who say they are comparable phisically. And i think this new feat back up those claims. Superman could be stronger, but not by that much.

Pre-FLASHPOINT, Wonder Woman has a bunch of shared feats with Superman(mostly Superman and others but at least one just them) that you can argue the same thing. But Superman is MUCH stronger than Wonder Woman in New Earth continuity.

But what they did pre flashpoint dont matter to DCNU.

MM was compared to Superman more than one time, but he didnt have any decent strengh feat. Now he has. I dont think Superman is MUCH stronger than him.

All speculation tbh. Martian Manhunter IS one of the strong men in DCNU.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman isn't stronger though and being faster is debatable.
Why is it debatable that Superman is faster than MM? Superman's speed feats are far greater. It's debatable whether Superman is stronger though.






How characters fight USING VERSATILITY has no bearing on whose stronger. Dr. Strange, using his versatility, can hold his own against the JL in a comic. Doesn't mean he is as strong as Superman.